Posted by Dogmann
@jmcomms
They may of seemed surprised which really is no surprise but did they say they would see what could be done about? or is this something that they don't deal with.
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Posted by max_wedge
On 2007-10-24 15:12:30, ScorpZ wrote:
What the hell, i just noticed, that when i'm taking a panorama pic, only resolution available is VGA (640x480). All other options are grayed out.
Crap. I hope this is a bug and not a feature. I like shooting panorama pics. :/
This has been the same since the K700. I'm not sure why, but even the K750 (2MP) and the K800 (3.2MP) only have vga panorama mode.
On 2007-10-24 09:18:51, the_trev wrote:
i've discovered possibly the most unusual bug possible....
Using Vista Ultimate x64, whilst transferring files to the PC in Phone mode, if an alarm goes off on the phone then vista will crash. i'm unsure whether this is an issue with vista, the PC suite or the phone though.
Probably a bit of both PCSuite and Vista. Sounds like when the alarm kicks in, it may be interupting the "phone mode" file transfer within PC Suite. This in turn may be causing vista to crash when the connection is lost.
I'd be curious if the same would happen if you were using file transfer mode and explorer to copy the files.
On 2007-10-24 10:24:47, Enoch wrote:
Is it me or do O2 branded phone seem to have a lot of problem, according to this thread? My GF had a similar issue when w800 came out, poor firmware used to wipe out the memory card.
I also have had many problems with branded firmware, where same version non-branded handsets have been faultless. I avoid branded handsets like the plague these days.
I have noticed the flash bug, i guess it might have to do with the light sensor, and distance to the subject of the photo.
Video seems to work fine, i just encoded a Pantera Video (about 3mns) and it was very fluid at 350kbps.
Excellent news, and what I would have expected. K800 can playback 320Kbps faultlessly, so 350Kbps sounds about right for K850. This is good news and shows that the reported "bug" that K850 can't play video smoothly is probably a furphy. I rip all my video with Super or M3 converter, have never had any problems what so ever with video playback on K800.
According to SE video whitepaper released just before K850 announcement, SE 320x240 display phones support video encoded at 320x240, using either H.623 or Xvid codec, ripped at 320Kbps@ 25fps and using the Visual Simple profile. I've found that if I use those settings for ripping video, it allways plays flawlessly and with excellent quality. I assume atleast these settings would work on K850
(note: the Xvid codec is way better quality than H.623)
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Posted by obentou
Wow, this is the most ridiculous release from Sony Ericsson I've seen of late, especially what I'm seeing on this thread. I was hoping the K850i would be nice and stable, but I guess that's impossible since it IS a new platform release (A200).
Oh well, guess I'll have to wait. I'm more than happy enough with my P1i right now.
Posted by kieves1
I am also having the flash problems(Dark pics etc).Spoke to sony erricson about it and they said they have had no complaints about this and that i was the 1st customer to complain about this(They all have it in the office and theres are brilliant).I asked if there would be a firmware upgrade to possibly fix this problem.They said a firmware update would be out in a few months.He said it was more likely a hardware fault and to phone my operator and get it changed.
So i phoned vodafone and told him what happened.I got the exact same speech about them all having it in the office and it works fine for them.They have never heard of it and im the 1st customer in the uk to report it.(I told them to check the message boards as there are hundreds of complaints).
They agreed to change it.Recieved my new phone last night and have the exact same thing.Flash out of synch resulting in dark pictures.Ive tried resetting and changes all the settings but to no avail.
Phoning up today to get it returned and cancelling my new contract.Id rather have my k800i which has a better camera in it than the rubbish they are putting into the k850.
[ This Message was edited by: kieves1 on 2007-10-25 11:37 ]
Posted by yoggi
I have another bug for you! Maybe its not so mutch for the K850 but my W910 cand adjust the Volume of the External Speakers "MPS-60".
Maybe someone can try that on the K850?
And maybe its just my phone that is messed up! =)
Posted by SE-Naz
I returned my K850i to o2 and got a replacement and am very happy with it... the build quality seems and feels a lot better and the dpad is a lot more responsive now....
Im well happy with the purchase now...
Excellent Stuff... Just wait for the UPDATE to fix the software BUGS now... Come on SE???
Cheers
ENJOY
Posted by tai020381
On 2007-10-25 10:47:28, kieves1 wrote:
I am also having the flash problems(Dark pics etc).Spoke to sony erricson about it and they said they have had no complaints about this and that i was the 1st customer to complain about this(They all have it in the office and theres are brilliant).I asked if there would be a firmware upgrade to possibly fix this problem.They said a firmware update would be out in a few months.He said it was more likely a hardware fault and to phone my operator and get it changed.
So i phoned vodafone and told him what happened.I got the exact same speech about them all having it in the office and it works fine for them.They have never heard of it and im the 1st customer in the uk to report it.(I told them to check the message boards as there are hundreds of complaints).
They agreed to change it.Recieved my new phone last night and have the exact same thing.Flash out of synch resulting in dark pictures.Ive tried resetting and changes all the settings but to no avail.
Phoning up today to get it returned and cancelling my new contract.Id rather have my k800i which has a better camera in it than the rubbish they are putting into the k850.
[ This Message was edited by: kieves1 on 2007-10-25 11:37 ]
If you have bought the k850i inside the contents there will be a separate leaflet whiich displays the correct way of holding your camera so as not to obstruct the light sensor into producing weak flash. Now you try that and think again before selling your phone.
Posted by kille9
Don't know if this is a bug...but it's bugging me. Wonder if anyone else experience the same problem.
When I'm talking in the phone my ear presses the softkeys (touch-buttons). Sometimes when I'm talkin in the phone I send an sms to the firts one in the telephone book.
This is really bugging me. I must be able to talk in the phone without the ear messing with the softkeys...
Hopes some kind of locking while talkin in the phone...but still be able some how to get in the menu and telephonebook. But when I want, with my fingers, not with my ear...
Is this qualify as a bug?
Posted by ryanchg
It's either you have big ears or you love to rub or move the phone while talking on the phone?
Posted by apotts
On 2007-10-25 16:25:55, tai020381 wrote:
If you have bought the k850i inside the contents there will be a separate leaflet whiich displays the correct way of holding your camera so as not to obstruct the light sensor into producing weak flash. Now you try that and think again before selling your phone.
Today I took 6 identical photos in a row where the flash failed to sync. Only the seventh worked when I turned the flash off.
I know about the "holding it" issue, and I can assure you that the phone does not work.
No need for me to "think again"!
Posted by jmcomms
Is there a way to write in 72point text and bold type? The flash problems are NOT down to covering the sensor, the LED focus-assist light or indeed the Xenon flash itself; it's a software problem. At least I hope it is, as hardware is a lot more serious.
I'm hoping it is software because I can force the flash to fire in the engineering menu. Else, it might actually be the sensor that's faulty, instead of the flash.
We've all seen the leaflet that shows how to hold the phone - although it also shows me that it's a bad design to need such a leaflet and to make people hold the camera in an unconventional way - but this isn't it.
I've taken loads of pictures where the flash simply won't fire, not even early or late. It just doesn't flash, but it's adjusted the exposure as if it has so the pics are pitch black.
I really do hope it's not a hardware problem, just as I hope SE stop pretending it's the first time they've heard about the problem. As of yesterday, some high up people at SE were certainly made aware when I demonstrated the problems!!
Posted by max_wedge
That's a bitch alright, and certainly a real problem
hopefully it is just a firmware prob. Can you force flash off?
Posted by killsta
Yep there's 3 flash settings - Auto/Red Eye/Off.
Posted by RobM
Hey guys... long time lurker here but thought I'd ask a quick question and, possibly, highlight a bug?
I have a Vodafone branded K850i and I cannot change the text size in the message editor. The format > Text size menu and options for Small, Medium and Large are there, but when you try and change the size, it just reverts back to Medium.
Is this a known problem, or am I just unlucky?
Posted by jmcomms
It's probably another bug.
With the flash settings; auto, red-eye, off; even setting red-eye (which would ordinarily force the flash), it doesn't always work. In fact, it's no more likely to work than in auto mode.
Anyway, phone is going back this afternoon for them to investigate this, and other bugs. I sincerely hope that as both of my handsets were from one of the first batches (going by the IMEIs) that it isn't a serious problem.
Credit to SE though, they're going to investigate these problems so - once again - this forum will hopefully ensure the phone is turned into everything we hoped it would be.
Posted by obentou
Hopefully the phone does get its fixes sometime soon, a product at launch is supposed to be the peak of market sales. Judging by all the replacements people are getting, the bugs plaguing the phone sure isn't helping the K850i. Unfortunate since I would also like to own this phone - minus the quirks, of course!
Posted by Spambanjo
I have a real crazy problem.
I got 200+ MP3s and 30+ MP4 Videos on my K850. I can see all of the files in the "File Manager" in the organiser. I can even play them, rename, etc.
If I go to the "Media" menu... The Photo's, Music, and Video all say 0 Files. If I then go into either Video or Music... I get no files.
If I go into the Photo browser however... the phone crashes, goes black, then after a while I'm back on the main menu.
The phone also crashes if I start the camera, then switch over to the "View" option on the camera function slide-switch.
I've tried loads of stuff to try and fix the damn thing. To no avail. I fear a replacement is the only option, but REALLY want to fix this one. I get the feeling with how often I add/remove files, that this will only happen again.
Anyone else having this or has anyone fixed it already???
From what I have read above, the bug should have been fixed with the firmware upgrade.
Posted by apotts
Here are some great K850 flash photos! Woo hooo!!!
This is daytime, but gloomy conditions:
Posted by obentou
apotts:
No offense to you, but it looks like you have perfect examples of how botched the K850i flash is... haha.. those pictures to me seem like the flash is out of sync, hence the dark photos... if you compare it with the K800i, the difference becomes more obvious.
Posted by -Ryan-
On 2007-10-26 22:57:07, obentou wrote:
apotts:
No offense to you, but it looks like you have perfect examples of how botched the K850i flash is... haha.. those pictures to me seem like the flash is out of sync, hence the dark photos... if you compare it with the K800i, the difference becomes more obvious.
I think he was being sarcastic. But what you said still stands. The camera has definitely taken a step backwards.
Posted by jmcomms
The camera flash problem is a software bug, hardware fault, or a combination of the two.
This is NOT the way it should be!! The phone would not be a step backwards if it worked as designed.
I am surprised how many people are affected by this, and how it managed to go unnoticed during product testing. Were testers just assuming it was their fault the camera didn't flash and not investigating further?
Posted by apotts
The flash does fire, but just at the wrong time or for the wrong amount. In all those shots, the EXIF data records the fact that the flash fired too, in Auto mode.
[ This Message was edited by: apotts on 2007-10-26 23:55 ]
Posted by dcuk
I wonder if it's just certain production batch that have the flash fault as not all K850i's have this problem?
Posted by obentou
Oh hahaha right, sarcasm!
Well I haven't been too updated on the K series handsets ever since I jumped onto the P1i bandwagon, but it appears the K800i making some good progress with modded camdrivers, flash menus, and such, much like how I modded my K750i quite a long time ago.
Other than that, if SE says it's coming out with an update for months to come, and the handset remains plagued with this flash sync problem, I might as well get a K800i to substitute!
Posted by dcuk
On 2007-10-27 02:44:54, obentou wrote:
Oh hahaha right, sarcasm!
Did you mean at my comment or the pictures posted above, if it's any help I can take & post some test photo's!?
Posted by obentou
Oh I meant the pictures above... but if this flash sync problem can be verified to be production batch related, then perhaps I may reconsider getting this phone.
Posted by tai020381
Change the way you guys hold your phone... holding on only the side of the phone. Then take a flash picture. Also ensure that the light sensor is not chalked up by dust or other particles. If all else fails, send for service. Good luck.
Posted by CruSifiXken
I have the K850i - EU (europe) version and haven't found any of the bugs posted here... been playing with it for 2 days...
(PS: I'm using HPM-82)
- Phone can crash whilst in standby mode, requiring a hard reboot (taking the battery out) --- NOPE
- Alarms only produce three beeps on some phones rather than play the selected ringtone. --- NOPE
- Play/Pause and FF/RW controls on HPM-82 do not work ---- NOPE
- Phone can crash when using HPM-82 ---- NOPE
- Some Video playback is out of sync with the sound ---- YES, My Family Guy episodes are sometimes out of sync, but the catch back up...
- Corruption of the filing system can occur affecting photos, applications etc ---- NOPE
- USB photo transfer can lead to duplicated pictures / removal of other pictures present on the phone --- NOPE
- Video is of lower quality than the K800 --- Didn't own a K800i, but the video is of pretty good quality, maybe more poor than k800
- Occasional second or so delay between the vibration of an incomming text/call and screen illumination. ---- YES, slight delay...
- Audiobook functionaility cannot be accessed
- When you connect the phone via the usb cable, You cant see the ringtone folder ---- YES
- Phone doesnt support some Mp4 files and doesnt support some jpeg photos. ---- NOPE
- The flash doesn't always sync with the image capture, leaving dark photos in night conditions. --- NOPE
- On some phones the shutter ocasionally fails to open --- NOPE
- Not all symbols are possible to enter in the email client settings, e.g. not allowing you from adding a : for gmail addresses. --- Didn't try
- The zoom buttons both zoom into a picture and change the volume if you are listening to music whilst browsing pictures. --- Didn't try
- On some phones, adding a birthday to a contact does not give you a chance to add it to the Calendar. --- Didn't try
Seems I have a good k850i in my hands compared to some others...
What does seem to be a problem is that my pictures look "greaced"... they aren't sharp at all!
I have tried different settings, but can't really figure something out.... *pictures only taken at night so far...*
Can somebody help me out?
[ This Message was edited by: CruSifiXken on 2007-10-27 10:58 ]
Posted by jmcomms
On 2007-10-27 00:49:51, apotts wrote:
The flash does fire, but just at the wrong time or for the wrong amount. In all those shots, the EXIF data records the fact that the flash fired too, in Auto mode
Not all the time. Sometimes it fires early, but in most cases on the handset I just gave back it didn't fire at all. I turned the camera around to check!
The flash fires okay in the engineering menu (discharge flash) so I am pretty sure the flash is fine - even when it doesn't fire at all in camera mode. I wonder if it's a faulty sensor, although the fact the EXIF data says the flash was on suggests not.
It's a major problem though. A flagship camera phone, that is more camera than anything else before it, and it can't take photos in the dark despite having THREE super-bright LEDs and a Xenon flash!!
Posted by Vash
To everyone with camera problems:
You either have a defective model or you're blocking the sensors when shooting. Your fingers must not stick out from the back of the phone, even one centimeter is enough to screw up the picture. It took me some shots to get used to it but to SE's defence, they do give a leaflet with detailed instructions on how to shoot.
The video is definately 320x240x30fps and far better than any other SE Phone's video. Only the W900 comes close but its blurry compared to K850.
No lights photo (taken in a hurry too):
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Posted by Raaab
On 2007-10-27 13:06:00, Vash wrote:
To everyone with camera problems:
You either have a defective model or you're blocking the sensors when shooting. Your fingers must not stick out from the back of the phone, even one centimeter is enough to screw up the picture. It took me some shots to get used to it but to SE's defence, they do give a leaflet with detailed instructions on how to shoot.
I have to say that's a bit condescending, same as all others who post that the camera isn't being held properly.
People have done a lot of research into this, and the problem affects handsets from the initial batch, through to handsets being delivered today.
Out of the 70 photos I took the previous evening, all requiring flash and taken indoors, about 5 of them were all black with 1% visible, and a further 8 were massively underexposed with about 50% visibility.
Posted by Vash
Well I did say you might have a defective unit. Did you try taking it back for replacement?
Posted by Raaab
not yet, I'm going to wait for a firmware update first. I'm working on the assumption that as I have 2 k850's, and both of them are showing the same problems, that it's a firmware issue.
It's a total pain in the arse, but I've got the patience to wait and see what happens. If it's not "fit for purpose" within a couple of months, then they can have them both back
Posted by jmcomms
Oh dear.. didn't I ask about writing in 72 point bold type to say I wasn't covering the sensor, and following the manual method perfectly?
I realise now I needed to write in 144 point Arial Bold to get the point over; the flash does not fire - or does but is early. The sensor is NEVER covered.
Can't people read that the EXIF data says the flash fired, so it adjusts the ISO/exposure settings to match. If you switched the flash off, it would work better (but you'll get a dark or blurred image instead - but at least not pitch black).
And if the sensor WAS being covered, what would you expect it to do anyway? Would you expect it to allow you to take a picture but mess it up? Would you expect it to flash early or not at all?
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[ This Message was edited by: jmcomms on 2007-10-28 01:10 ]
Posted by stevenupton1
I was playing around with the media menu on my phone last night and was wondering if it was maybe a file that was making the phone reboot each and everytime I navigated through the gallery menu, as it always rebooted at the exact same place....well after a trial and error session I can say that I found the offending file and deleted it and guess what, media menu works perfectly with no reboots what so ever and best pic is behaving it self also
The file I deleted was some album art that was in the same folder as the music files, at a guess this confuses the media menu and makes it reboot, maybe with the new firmware update this will be corrected but for me its ok as I never bother with album art and was suprised when I found the file in the music folder.
On the flash front mine appears to be fireing ok on the whole with some nice pics in complete dark, I have had a few though that have come out completly black and the soft keys are sometimes slow in letting you take another pic.
One last thing this is my second K850i and the build quality is much much better than my first... the first had a loose bat compartment and the back squeeked when u sent any text message, my new one is ok in that respect.
Posted by dualist
On 2007-10-20 10:39:35, darrengf wrote:
Well I think i may have a bigger problem with the phone.
Went to be last night and switched of the phone.
This morning and the phone will not switch back on.
All the phone keyboard comes on and then the SE Logo, then the keyboard comes on and thats it. The keyboard then just flashes all the time.
I had this exact same problem with my first K850i last week Seems to be a spontaneous memory corruption that occurred simply by my turning the handset off and on again after a couple of hours. Had to take it back and exchange under a 28-day faulty exchange (which was no problem at CPW).
On 2007-10-20 15:08:53, stevenupton1 wrote:
Im now on my second K850i and not very happy, when I try to view photos in the media manager the phone reboots and goes black then says searching for network. Same problem on 2 brand new phones so I cant be the only one with this fault. Also I cant use the "best pic" feature as when it takes the photo all I see is a black screen! Will these be corrected by a new firmware release? If so when will it be available? SE shouldnt be allowed to sell phones that dont perform to the stated specification!
A couple of days after I got my replacement K850i (see above) it started doing this. It happened every time I would go into the Photo album through Media, but not through File Manager. Phone would reboot as you describe.
This morning, I did a full backup with PC Suite and then a Master Reset //Reset All. This seems to have solved the problem and restoring the backup has not reintroduced the problem, so I'm happy.
It would seem both this and the issue described above are caused by spontaneous memory corruptions.
I should add I'm using an unlocked handset from CPW on O2.
[ This Message was edited by: dualist on 2007-10-28 16:26 ]
Posted by CruSifiXken
I've found another bug:
The situation is as following:
I have a k850i unbranded using a Sandisk 6GB MicroSD card.
All went well untill I did the following:
For usage with the Mgmaps application, I needed to make maps.
Now, these maps are divided in miniature parts...
In my case: 186MB, 15.433 files.
When these files were copied to the memory stick, the phone just kept locking up!
It refused to go past the SE-startup logo...
When the memory stick was taken out, the phone functioned well.
Also, when entering the memory stick when the phone was turned on, it froze.. I then pressed some D-pad buttons to check responsiveness, and nothing, it just froze... But when I took the memory stick back out, the phone would do all the movements I made using the D-pad very rapidly...
I also did a master reset, no solution...
The only solution that solved my problem... => Removed the 15.433 files...
All goes well now...
So I think the bug is; The SE K850i is unable to handle a large amount of files on the MS.
Posted by jmcomms
Over the weekend, now I'm using a T650i again, I've been using the Bluetooth Watch (150) and the DS970 headphones. As I thought, there's no problem with using both - and audio is streamed smoothly, and instantly (no delay between tracks).
On the K850i, if you have both in use at the same time, the audio starts straight away but stutters terribly for about 5 seconds. At this point, it's communicating with the watch (to show track ID).
Posted by stevieG123
sorry if this has been mentioned earlier on, but has any one else suffered this problem with the K850i?
the problem were by my games, and applications have now been deleted/dissappeared from the phone?
I am on o2 branded phone
any ideas where to get these apps from? especially facewarp?
thanks
Posted by freeloader
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=157504
Here you are.
Posted by ScorpZ
I noticed today, that my recently purchased (yes, i was stupid) Nokia BH-501 Bluetooth stereo headset doesn't quite work properly with K850i.
1. None of the music functions work (No play/pause, rewind, skip track), but volume. And even that doesn't use SE UI, but Nokias own amplifier.
2. When connecting, it randomly breaks off the connection, or when it has been in use for a while and you turn it off, the headset icon is still displayed on K850i and you have to restart the phone to get rid of it, or if you want any other headset (even a wired one) to work.
3. As mentioned in 2. The EQ freaks out after using BH-501. When using a wired headset after that the sound is horrible, and none of the EQ settings work. Phone boot is required.
4. At the menu where you select your ringtone and if you play the tune in that menu phone tries to connect to Nokia BH-501, and tells that it is connected even though it is not even on. This happens almost on every tune you try to play. Though they play through K850i speaker.
Lot of bugs in that one. So i'd suggest you REALLY don't go for Nokia headset. Hope we'll get the FW updated soon...
Posted by kristianfn
Hi I just got a problem with my K850. It's been working perfectly for 2 weeks now but suddenly I can't access games or applications. I just get the message "operation failed".
I also had some problems with the Media Manager, but that was corrected with a reset. The game/application problem however will not fix itself...
From searching I found some others with the same problem http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=157722 and it also seemed to be a common problem on K88 judging from all the topics.
I've tried the master reset 2 times but that doesn't seem to work.
Is there a way to fix it? Do I have to re-flash it?
Posted by -Ryan-
I'm starting to get really frustrated. I've had this phone for 3 weeks now. The firmware is still shite. Not even an update to sort out the major issues such as the camera being awful. If there isn't a new firmware out soon I'm going back to the K810i.
Posted by Duran
How long till we can expect a new firmware?
IIRC it took them almost 2months for k800/k750 (not sure anymore).. but then again there werent as many (serieus) bugs as with the k850
?
Posted by Ridahz
Operation Failed now appearing in messages...
Clicked...
Inbox - Operation Failed
Drafts - Operation Failed
Sent Messages - Operation Failed
Grrrr....
Posted by par15h
Another Buy,
I use my k800i ALLOT to listen to music, so you have the option of editing the equalizer on the k850i, but it wont stay customized! i maxed out all the bars, but once you exit media player, and go back in, the preset is back to normal! ANNOYING!!!
I MISS SOO MUCH!! the list only view for text message too!! also cant resize text msg font size.
I MISS THE standby clock!!!
the UI is soooooooooooooooooo slow, lags lags! to load up the artist in media player, music.. just takes forever!!
VIDEO is rubbish, its to pixelly!
SE REALLY need to get a firmware update sorted!! hurry hurry, i think i will send my phone back and see what things are like in the new year with it! because as of right now i dont like it at all, i will stick to my k800i
[ This Message was edited by: par15h on 2007-10-30 19:30 ]
Posted by Duran
just a note: maxing out the bars is like turning the volume higher ;/
[ This Message was edited by: Duran on 2007-10-30 21:31 ]
Posted by par15h
very true.. but you get more volume if the bars are maxed, but this is not the point, the point is.. it should work!! i have been thinking with all the complaints, the firmware update is going to have to fix the problems!! i loved the k750i and k800i..
holding the handset (k850i) and playing with it again.. it feels like they have been pressured to get something released, but with 1yr or so of being in production, i am shocked they even let it get released in the state it is in. the firmware update has got to fix the problems occurring for everyone..
1. i would beg for the "list" view featuring being missed for text messages! ..
2. and just sort out night vision mode for the camera with flash, defo out of sync.. and once again standby clock!
by the way, for the PAUSE and PLAY button.. it got moved onto a remote, HPM - 90! i want to hear someone try it with the phone before i buy it!
Posted by SonarikK510
What format have the dictophone records? AAC or AMR?
Posted by elad
On 2007-10-28 02:04:24, jmcomms wrote:
Oh dear.. didn't I ask about writing in 72 point bold type to say I wasn't covering the sensor, and following the manual method perfectly?
I realise now I needed to write in 144 point Arial Bold to get the point over; the flash does not fire - or does but is early. The sensor is NEVER covered.
Can't people read that the EXIF data says the flash fired, so it adjusts the ISO/exposure settings to match. If you switched the flash off, it would work better (but you'll get a dark or blurred image instead - but at least not pitch black).
And if the sensor WAS being covered, what would you expect it to do anyway? Would you expect it to allow you to take a picture but mess it up? Would you expect it to flash early or not at all?
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[ This Message was edited by: jmcomms on 2007-10-28 01:10 ]
I previously reported the same problem with shooting in the dark but on further testing with the phone, it turns out that the phone camera seems to be working fine.
I now realise that the problem with dark or pitch black pictures is because of the clear film that comes with the phone. I removed the film and tried out taking more pictures so see what difference it would make. The results of that is that the pictures came out fine with proper flash exposure (to my eyes) and bearing in mind that these pictures were taken in near if not complete darkness!!
In addition and as pointed out by one of the users, they way the phone is being held is quite significant. I've tried to deliberately stick one of my fingers out (about 1cm) over the phone and as expected the pictures turned out to be slighter darker than if you were to hold the phone with no obstructions.
I've attached these pics for your information [Excuse me for the mess in my kitchen, lol]
As posted by one of the previous users,