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Peter's Acoustic Mod v2 - for K800/W880/S500 and all other zapf models

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Posted by kcng
Great job Pedrops. Take your time on the final version.


Posted by hanugro

On 2007-10-11 22:29:50, pedrops wrote:

@Hanugro
Thats the intention... you use Loud call, than lower the volume a few notchs.. and when you need, you have that extra volume to raise!
=]
I really need that sometimes.


Well no offence to anyone. I consider myself to have problem at hearing phone (both ring/back speaker and call/ear speaker) in public places. I even checked to the ear specialist few years ago but they found out that my hearing is in fact very good. Maybe just not concentrate enough to hear in the public places.

Anyway the first time I use ur acoustic driver in my bedroom (with top volume from old setting) and it almost rip my ear . So yeah it is really loud.

Just hope you can try to play with stereo bluetooth zapf a little. I am quite sattisfied with stock driver but hey you may not realise what you are missing unless you hear it first. But pls don't make it too much treble, it hurts my ear. Actually I prefer flat in my home system but hey, I knew we deal with mp3 and cheapish earphone so a little tweak may improve the imperfect sound.

Posted by TheNerd
Is it possible to increase the radio volume?

Posted by pedrops
@Genus
No, the fix is for all phones!

@Forbez
Yes!
In fact I'm gonna release a v1.1 with that fix and a first beta!

@Erzan
Yes!
Please download that fix and replace handset_0_call.zapf! Let me know if it solved the problem!
=]

@Kncg
Maybe in a week comes the final version... I'm gonna have help now, so I think now I'll make something really good =]

@Hanugro
Maybe you live on a too noisy enviroment?
Don't know.. but about the ring you can increase the mp3 volume, so only the ring is loud.
You may try the Extreme Loud for earpierce
Yeah its loud on headphones!

BTW
As you noticed I haven't changed bluetooth files... cause I don't have a bluetooth earphone =(
But I'm gonna include that on v2!
Just wait ok? =]

And yeah you're right about equalization.. we goota raise bass, sometimes even treble cause of bad mp3 and earphones.
Hpm70 is trebless! When I use my phillips, its perfect!

@The nerd
Yes!
How much its necessary? A lot?
I really don't listen to radio.. but gonna improve that too


Cheers all!

Posted by hyperion1707

On 2007-10-12 09:10:56, f0rbez wrote:
pedrops: could you re-upload the new acoustic with the fix included? original download link is dead. thx.

I think if you could edit your first post with the fixed/updated version, would be better:)

Posted by TheNerd
@pedrops

thanks alot!! I listen alot the the radio,even more than mp3.
and im not the only one who's complaining about the low volume..actually its very very low...

Posted by Coo|io
pls man help
were can i found the cid51 sefp plugin 4 far manager ?
i have k800 db2020 cid 61
thx advance

Posted by hanugro
Just curious will it work in other DB2020 phone? I want to increase my wife's Z610 ring a bit!

Posted by junkmale
Could somebody re-upload this? Both links on the 1st page are dead. I would appreciate this a lot, as I just got my K800i and I'm really disappointed with the Music Player quality (it does not do my Grado SR60s or AKG K81s justice). Actually I would rather not listen to MP3s with the stock K800i acoustics...It is unbearable at the moment...

A re-upload would be fantastic

Thank you!

Posted by hyperion1707
Try this: http://rapidshare.com/files/6[....]_acoustic_V1_for_K800.rar.html
The link for the fix is working

[ This Message was edited by: hyperion1707 on 2007-10-14 00:26 ]

Posted by Coquito
thanks

Posted by junkmale
THANKS A LOT hyperion1707!!!

Much appreciated. I finally figured out how to upload the EPIUSB and get XS++ working. I uploaded the Xaero-Ma K790 drivers, but find it way too bright, ears are bleeding. The brightness reminds me of the first time I listened to music with a pair of Grado headphones. lol SUPER BRIGHT after a minute I can't listen any longer, too fatiguing on the ears.

But what made me smile, is that the FLAT sounding DRC was gone.

I'll test out Peter's acoustic V1 and give some feedback once I'm done.

Thanks again.



Posted by whitehackker
i noticed that some acoustic have this file while the others don't "farfield_closed_..." for what is this file???


thanks






Posted by hyperion1707
I've changed original acoustics with Peter's using "Setool", as i usually do for drivers, then i put the "fix" in the same way. The backspeaker is great, but the earpiece volume is as loud as i must set it to min. in order to hear properly the caller voice. Is something wrong with my phone, or that's the way it should be?

Posted by reywal
Help

several hours ago, i uploaded 44 acoustic files to my phone (k800i).

now i decided to revert to Peter's acoustic pack but it only has 16 files in it. will this not affect the phone? please enlighten me.. thanks..

Thanks XAN K. Damn, this site is great!

[ This Message was edited by: reywal on 2007-10-15 01:52 ]

Posted by xan K
You can safely use peter's acoustics and nothing wrong will happen to your phone. There are only 16 files because he only modified the necessary ones.

Posted by pedrops
Version 1.1 released
Peter's acoustic pack V1.1

Please give me feed back on changes
[view changelog on the link above]

Cheers all


[ This Message was edited by: pedrops on 2007-10-15 03:45 ]

Posted by Stalix
Sweet, finaly a new acoustic to play with, I'll try out for a week and give you my feedback.

**edit**

From the first few minutes of usiong i can hear the improvement, much appreciated

[ This Message was edited by: Stalix on 2007-10-14 22:44 ]

Posted by pedrops
No time now to answer all questions...

my girlfriend is mad that I'm on PC ^^

later I'll answer everything =]

@Stalix
Thanks Stalix!
=]

Posted by masterjp
@ pedrops

thanks dude. iv been waiting for this for a quite some time. im glad you released it before i go to work. ill install it now in my phone. thanks again and more power

Posted by masterjp
@ pedrops

quick question(s)

i have noticed that you only revised the farfield_fm.zapf the latest? the handset_0_call.zapf, farfield call, farfield rec and farfield ring are the same as
your previous release? wat is the main files structure that you used, is it the original W800i? i mean all the other files except from the ones that i mentioned came from wat source?

thanks again bro. i use the fm radio often so i feel this is a good acoustic.

Posted by xan K
Thank you for the update! Which earpiece settings are you using with this new version, the loud one or the extreme loud one?

Posted by reywal
I think something is wrong with the link provided above.

Posted by xan K
go to the first post, it's there.

Posted by pedrops
@Hanugro
I only tested on my K800i... but you can give at try on the Z610!


@Junkmale
Give a try on my V1.1


@Whithacker
that file is used on phones that have flip or slide


@Hyperion
Try using the Loud, not the Extreme Loud =]


@Reywal
Use my V1.1, it has all the 44 files needed


@Masterjp
Farfield play, farfield fm, handset call
All necessary files are modded, so they're based on everything I've seen so far [farfields, PHF, handset]
all other files for earphones are based on W880 [VHF, bluetooth BDSS]


Posted by whitehackker
ah ok i see.. now im testing ur v1.1



Posted by genus
i now testing on the V1.1, it seem better than V1, great! My phone is k800i.

[ This Message was edited by: genus on 2007-10-15 09:17 ]

Posted by zirkie101
Thx Pedrops. This update was eagerly awaited by me. Will install right away. Can relate very well to the girlfriend/PC issue. It can land a guy in deep trouble if more time is spent on PC. LOL! Chicks will be chicks!

Posted by number1
could u please change bass to megabass, i mean give bass the megabass sound.

Posted by rockygali
i guess that would be a great idea....

but afaik, no one has ever seen the settings for mega bass....

or sumone already did?!

Posted by Stalix
personally i think megabass ruins the song. It doesn't sound right after its on. Especially if using a cassette adapter and into the car.

Posted by aliciatit
i tested megabass wit w850i
it depends on the songs u r hearin
if u r listenin to techno n such
its nice
but if u r listenin to pop n slow songs
it just dun feel right

Posted by norbi_nw
yeah but we have the advantage of lowering the bass. Lets say full bass EQ = megabass. If u dont like it, u lower it, as much as you need. its better to have excessive bass, and lower it when needed, than having normal bass at full, and cant pump it up more when needed.

Posted by pedrops
@Zirkie
yeah.. PC and girlfriends don't get along never!


@Number1
On headphones or backspeaker?
on headphones/earphones its on the way to V2.
on backspeaker... only if you want a very low volume.

Remember it still a tiny speaker. The mebrane can't bounce megabass and reproduce all other sounds without distorting


@Rocky
We can add some megabass sound on head/earphones. But not the equalizer option....
only when we get access to MAIN, and star the patches.. till there.. only the sound


@Stalix, AliciaTits, Norbi
you mean on earphones or backspeaker?

There will be megabass sound on my V2, for earphones.

For backspeaker I can't see how.
Anyone knows how to get that ultramegabass on that tiny speaker with loud volume?
I don't.


It's like asking to get a 5 megapixel pic just by modding the camdriver.

Posted by mauasca
@pedrops
the acoustica new is fantastic, in cap is like a i-pode. Good Peter's job; -)

Posted by deadman4168
@ pedrops we dont need megabass on loudspeaker just let it be loud with treble....and add bass nd treble in headphones...also try to add clarity in call...nd which file is udsed in case of call...I mean to hear while talking

Posted by pedrops

try to add clarity in call...nd which file is udsed in case of call...I mean to hear while talking

Its the handset_0_call.zapf
its not good?

Posted by norbi_nw
in the backspeaker you wont hear bass LOLZ!!! when listening to music on speaker, bass part is cut out. wee need megabass for the headset. call volume is very high (its a good thing), and it is clear. volume can be pushed a little bit more up in headset =)) but thats only my suggestion

Posted by masterjp
for me the sound in the earphone is already very clear and the bass is almost or perhaps the same as of asash's. calling is clear too for pete used his fixed handset_0_call.zapf. i also believe that we cant do much about the back speaker for its too tiny to carry heavy bass.

@peds
your fm radio fix is very good. i even hear a little thumping of bass of some stations. good job. by the way, does the fm radio also has equalizer of its own?also, perhaps in your V2, its a little better if you could lower the volume just a little little bit (in the earphones), but make it louder than asash, that would make your acoustic the perfect one. cheers bro

Posted by TheNerd
actually,the radio volume is very low,too low,I wish there was a driver with a bit higher fm radio volume

Posted by xan K
Good job, peter! For your next version (V2), please keep in mind what hav0300e made your mod stand out: balance and quality! we don't need it any louder than this if quality is worse. This is the best acoustics mod that I've tried!

Posted by pedrops
Yeah Norbi is right... you almost can't hears bass "booms" on backspeaker. And when it booms you cant hear nothing
Ahm, you mean the call volume to be a bit louder?

@Master
I manged to get a little more bass [like asah and faurs] but with clarity, which is the thing that lacks on those "Megabass" acoustics

Yeah I can change the equalization a little bit... but I think its better not, cause there's a huge difference on quality between dif stations...

I didn't get what you said, about decreasing the volume. What for?
How can I lower the volume, and be louder than asah?


@TheNerd
There are a few of them... try other acoustics.
You know it can be due to the reception strenght....

But if its K800 users need, I can raise more
Is it necessary?
Please say if its so!


I have made another farfield play.. based on W850 [MasterJP suggestion!]
its very similar to the on V1.1 pack.. but it seems a little bit better [not louder, only better]
anyone wants to test it?


@Xan
LOL we posted at exactly same time! 22:00
Sure man.. that's why its taking so long...
I think the volume will be like this version.. there's no way to be louder with this equalization..
The only way is lowering bass and raising trble, just like W880 on K800. Yeah its loud, but just because its too treblish.

[ This Message was edited by: pedrops on 2007-10-16 01:23 ]

Posted by rockygali
throw it in Peter... me wanna try new farfield play...

lets get it on....

Posted by reywal
YEAH! Go ahead man!

Posted by junkmale
Hey pedrops. I've been using V1 for the past few days with decent cans Grado SR60s and AKG K81DJs. I'm no audio expert, but these are my observations.

Here's what I've tested and compared with:

Hardware: Laptop (foobar2k) , K800i

Headphones: Grado SR60, AKG K81DJ

Music: FLAC converted to V0 MP3 using the LAME Encoder, various rock
tracks and a bass heavy ambient track

Equalizer Settings: Normal

***One thing I've noticed is that it seems the left channel is on the right and the right on the left. Channel mix up it seems. ***

For example, listening to RATM's "Killing in the Name of" on both my laptop and brother's PSP, you can hear a sort of cowbell sound very clearly from the right channel. But on the K800, the cowbell sound is on the left channel.

I don't know if it's some setting on my phone, or my fastport 3.5MM adapter, which could also be causing this.

Now about the quality of the V1 acoustic driver. First of all, my ears don't bleed, the sound seems balanced well and enjoyable. No listening fatigue is noticeable. Good!

The highs are very clear, clearer than my laptop's at times. I can hear the drummer hit the cymbals and it sounds crystal and not wishy washy.

The mids, well I'm a mids kinda guy since I listen to mostly rock (love the guitars) just to let you know. I don't know if it's me, but when the song is really rocking, the sound gets kind of sloppy (does the same on my laptop, but not as much). I can hear the mids, they're there, but I find they're a bit unclear. For example, on my laptop I can hear the guitar notes ring strongly and clearly. On the K800 guitars sound a bit weaker. Enough for me notice it, but it's still enjoyable.

And finally the lows. They sound good through my AKGs. Quite enjoyable. I wouldn't change them. Sounds pretty identical to what I'm used to hearing from my laptop.

As a sidenote, I find Sony's Megabass atrocious. I notice Megabass is built into my brother's PSP and also my old Mini-Disc player. Built in meaning, it can't be changed and it's the natural sound. I take the transit 3 hours a day to college, and I love my music. But if I was forced to listen to music through a PSP or my MD player, I would rather not listen at all. I've tried it before and I'll never do it again...not enjoyable at all, pure muddy ugliness.
Destroys the music I enjoy. Though I would have no problem using your V1 acoustics and K800 to listen to music on the long ride to school.

All in all, everything is balanced out quite nicely. I don't expect it to get better than this and I wouldn't mind if it didn't. I like that I don't have to EQ anything and can just leave it on normal. Which is a very good sign. I'd say the the V1 acoustics allow me to enjoy the music closely to the way I'm used too. You did a very good job. Keep up the good work. I'm going to try out V2 next.

Please investigate the left/right channel mix up to clear things up.



[ This Message was edited by: junkmale on 2007-10-16 06:39 ]

Posted by rockygali
good thing someone pointed that out....

i thought it was just my ear messin or wot?! but then again ill try using other mp3s that has this directional sounds.... with bass...

i love the way you explain the RATM music... i too love to hear rock music, hiphop for bass. the mids the lows and not just *kaching* *kaching* wotevah.


good one.... ill explore

Posted by pedrops
@Jukmale

Yes there's an option to swap channels!
But I haven't touched it!
strange!

I have some musics with that separated sounds... gonna fix that
LOL

on original drivers they're swaped too?

About keeping quality on V2... some have requested more bass.. so I made 2 version with megabass, and other one with lots of megabass.

But as you seem to have a great headphone you can tell me better about the sound on ear/headphones

Actually I thought that too about mid freq.. but as none have mentioned it before I thought i'd leave it that way. But I'm gonna see what can be done to improve that
(besides raising that on manual eq of course)


_____________________
Edit

Just compared to original... its not activated on both...
so the only thing I can think of is that SE have swaped channels! [??]

I can change that if its really wrong
just confirm that
LOL

[ This Message was edited by: pedrops on 2007-10-16 07:13 ]

Posted by number1
yay megabass just make sure it doesn't disort i hate it when it disorts.

Posted by norbi_nw
megabass has distorsion when listening at full volume (again we talk about the headset, and NOT backspeaker). Thats the way megabass works. You pump up bass, and lower volume 1-2 bars. I cant wait for that XtraMegabass ACX yeeee

Posted by number1
@ pedrops
mod the w880i farfield_paly.zapf for the backspeaker as it has probley the best sound were gonna get out the k800i backspeaker, and the megabass doesn't has to disort at full volume look at the hyper_t acoustics i can use megabass at max volume on my w300i with no disortion and very nicly balanced sound.


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