Posted by *Jojo*
On 2007-10-19 04:48:42, max_wedge wrote:
parallax error refers to the way a non-SLR optical viewfinder frames the image at an offset compared to the actual image that falls on the sensor or film.
In an SLR, or a digital camera with lcd viewfinder, the image in the viewfinder is framed exactly as it appears on the censor or film. (no offset)
@max - Well .......................... make it - PARELLEL-error then mate !
@planks - Nice shots again matey . . . just a Q here matey . . . are you UPLOADIN' images as they were taken ? I mean, do you EDIT those, say, adjusting on the sharpness and all
They are excellent that's why . . .
Posted by BobaFett
i dont think he is editing his pix, me seems those are the "original" ones
Posted by *Jojo*
On 2007-10-20 01:10:02, razec wrote:
@plangkatan:
i think whizzkid should add more thrones for his next esato award next year and i'll vote you as Best esato photographer
. . . during MY time here (circa 2003) . . . Marlonski was considered ONE of the BEST images (taken from any kind of cam) UPLOADER
He does NOT frequent the Esato Forum much lately . . . 
Hope he'll make a RETURN-of-the-COMEBACK here . . .
Posted by razec
On 2007-10-20 01:43:05, *Jojo* wrote:
On 2007-10-20 01:10:02, razec wrote:
@plangkatan:
i think whizzkid should add more thrones for his next esato award next year and i'll vote you as Best esato photographer
Hope he'll make a RETURN-of-the-COMEBACK here . . .
And rival Plangkatan in the photography competition
Posted by *Jojo*
@rezec - No doubt that: planks is considered one of the BEST here at present (tranced et al) included . . . but honestly, sometimes his SHOTS seems to be . . . . . . . . . too-good-to-be-TRUE
. .. well, maybe he is just that GOOD a - photographer !
Posted by DonJuan
plankgtan do you use any type of editing software for noise removal or photoshop or anything?
and for your night shots you just have a steady hand? or a tripod?
Posted by razec
On 2007-10-20 01:54:13, *Jojo* wrote:
@rezec - No doubt that: planks is considered one of the BEST here at present (tranced et al) included . . . but honestly, sometimes his SHOTS seems to be . . . . . . . . . too-good-to-be-TRUE
. .. well, maybe he is just that GOOD a - photographer !
then lets request for a full sized pics from k850 uploaded through the camera phone pics section
Posted by *Jojo*
On 2007-10-20 02:06:09, razec wrote:
then lets request for a full sized pics from k850 uploaded through the camera phone pics section
. . . I think this was suggested to - planks, some months ago . . . but he still feels COMFY taking medium-sized images (same with me most of the time) with majority of his UPLOADS here . . . can't BLAME the guy though . . . almost in ALL the PICTURE THREADS he is taking part in, the quality of the images he posts ALMOST looks the very ............. SAME (quality, sharpness and all)
2 or 3 MP camfones used !
Posted by max_wedge
we can find many full sized images around the place, enough to verify that Plankgatan's images are legit.
Posted by AbuBasim
Don't pay too much attention to the sharpness of the tiny images you're looking at here at Esato. Of course it'll look sharp if you scale down 5 MP to 0.48 MP (800x600), i.e. the full size images are more than ten times larger!
I can understand plankgatan's unwillingness to post the raw whole photos. I don't think he's editing the photos, but seeing the original images reveal too much of the defects in the K850i and he's too much in love with his phone to allow anyone to see the imperfections.
He doesn't want to give more ammo to the Nokia groupies.
Posted by marinedisco
On 2007-10-20 05:13:38, AbuBasim wrote:
I can understand plankgatan's unwillingness to post the raw whole photos. I don't think he's editing the photos, but seeing the original images reveal too much of the defects in the K850i and he's too much in love with his phone to allow anyone to see the imperfections.
He doesn't want to give more ammo to the Nokia groupies.
I give him credit he is a great photographer!
But he is influencing potential buyer's the photo capabilities of this phone. If plankgatan is using software why does he not admit it?
Posted by max_wedge
abubasim, there are enough full sized K850 images around that show reasonably sharp images. Of course any image resized will look sharper. This is no different to the K800 or even the K750 thread where no one bothers to post the large size. I myself never bothered, too much effort to post somewhere else, then have to cut and paste the url into the pictures thread. And then the pictures thread pages take ages to load etc.
Note on the first page of this thread, I got told off for posting full res images.
If anyone believes the K850 images are as sharp as they appear when resized, they need their heads read. I don't think plankgatan is trying to maintain that the pics at full size will be as sharp. This is true even of DSLR images at 1:1. If you look at any image at 1:1 you will notice artifacts of different kinds.
It's not necessary to see all of plankgatan's image at full res to be satisified with the capabilities of the K850. You only have to look at the images that many people have posted at full res, to then be able to use your own judgement to imagine how plankgatan's pics would look at full res.
I don't believe he is not trying to hide anything, this is the way picture threads have been run since the S700 (the first time images were large enough that they needed to be resized by esato.)
Here are some examples of full size, and imho they are as clear as you could expect from a small 5MP cmos sensor:
http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1192295036jh6.jpg
http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00055rs6cf3.jpg
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Posted by max_wedge
On 2007-10-20 05:52:50, marinedisco wrote:
On 2007-10-20 05:13:38, AbuBasim wrote:
I can understand plankgatan's unwillingness to post the raw whole photos. I don't think he's editing the photos, but seeing the original images reveal too much of the defects in the K850i and he's too much in love with his phone to allow anyone to see the imperfections.
He doesn't want to give more ammo to the Nokia groupies.
I give him credit he is a great photographer!
But he is influencing potential buyer's the photo capabilities of this phone. If plankgatan is using software why does he not admit it?
Are you all crazy??? Why are you so sure he is using software? It's quite normal that when pictures are resized smaller (as esato does when you upload image to esato), they become sharper and clearer.
It's exactly the same in the K750 and K800 picture threads but no one accused anyone of manipulating the images....sheeesh!
Posted by tai020381
Life-sized photos
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/1051/dsc00195dc4.jpg
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/3577/dsc00198ep5.jpg
Posted by rockygali
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maybe planks using an amulet that gave him powers to capture digital crisp images...
this discussion wont go anywhere i tell yah.
Basic skills, know-how, and sheer talents are the ingredients...
we dont just shoot at scenes we wanted to take without even considering lights, coz photography is all about lights... controlling it.
if we cant multiply wot planks got in his camphone... then dont assume things. dont blame the phone, coz we all have same gadgets.. its all from SE.
"hate the game, not the player!" i too was amazed how planks got those shots, but its not impossible to replicate it... practice practice practice, do more readings... its creativity that counts most.
so lets just continue with the thread... eerr... wots this thread all about anyway?
Posted by plankgatan
On 2007-10-20 01:56:20, DonJuan wrote:
plankgtan do you use any type of editing software for noise removal or photoshop or anything?
and for your night shots you just have a steady hand? or a tripod?
people...
i have NEVER use any software with my cell phones pictures.....never Photoshop, etc...(i havnt even Photoshop in my laptop).................ALL this pictures is directley from the phone....100% truth.
look here....you must "see" the time in a picture & of course see where the right light is.......when you do that, you get good pictures..(remember, i take a lot of shitty pics to...who i of course throw away......but change the picture afterwards with software ??...thats not my style, i guarantee you that.
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Posted by razec
I believe you plangkatan, btw, you are a great shooter
just because GSMArena did not declare k850 as winner vs N95 doesn't mean K850 does not take good pictures, and of course it doesn't mean plangkatan is somewhat biased or a liar.
Posted by plankgatan
On 2007-10-20 07:33:12, razec wrote:
I believe you plangkatan, btw, you are a great shooter
just because GSMArena did not declare k850 as winner vs N95 doesn't mean K850 does not take good pictures, and of course it doesn't mean plangkatan is somewhat biased or a liar.
GSM ARENA sucks (like allways) on their compare phone to phone sites......
k850 take better Macro, Portrait, Flash & Night pics... then N95.....no doubt about that.
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he he he...you guys are funny.....just look at max_wedge "dog" pics...it looked very sharp / awesome colors...
i bet he must used a software
(of course he didnt......whats the point with taken picture then ???
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Posted by daviep
plankgatan says that he take a lot of bad shots as well as good and then discards the bad ones.
maybe some people would be happy if he included all photos taken,good and bad,but the point of this thread is to showcase the imaging power of the phone.
he also says that if you take your time and experiment with the white balance/iso settings then you will produce remarkable photos such as his.
if you really want digital camera quality then take a digi camera everywhere but i prefer,like most people,to have an excellent cam phone that nearly approaches digi cam quality.
i've currently got a k800 which i find takes excellent pics and have seen nothing to stop me getting a k850 in the next few weeks.
Posted by plankgatan
SIMSA ALA BIM...look what i can do...awesome sharpness & colors
this picture is taken by max_wedge....he "found" the time & the light in the picture...and look at the result !!! awesome...no dam photo-software there...just plain picture...(very nics dogs by the way)
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Posted by max_wedge
btw, I didn't take that photo (damn wish I had a K850 to play with!)
I just found it in a review somewhere, can't even remember where, but I have a collection of full sized K850 pics I've downloaded for closer inspection, and I grabbed some good samples from that collection and uploaded them to image shack for you guys to see that fulll sized pics are still excellent quality.
Posted by plankgatan
thats what i been saying all time
...the pictures looks "often" very good even in full size.....
den här kameran knäcker allt....he he
the Dog picture is realy awesome...I
k850 quality......
here is a other pic..(taken by tai020381)...very very good...no damn software there
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Posted by DonJuan
The thing that is good with planks pic's is that they're good subjects and good choices. Ppl that take pic's of boring stuff like cans of coke, keyboards cd's etc dont really do the camera justice. Where as plank's pic's are good cus he takes pic's of interesting things.
Posted by goldenface
@Plankgatan
You're right. That is an amazing picture, great hounds too.
Posted by DarKMaGiCiaN
Me to I love K850i ^_^
by the way I'm the one who took the pic of the flower that max_wedge
posted (same post with the dog pic )
and here
more pics ( full size ones ) to admit that k850 is the best camera mobile phone
full size
full size
full size
full size
just check the full size one .......
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Posted by marinedisco
@plankgatan.. Thanks for answering the software question. I believe you. As soon as it is available here in Thailand I will buy one. I think this could be the phone of the year.
Posted by plankgatan
have some realy nice pictures..the colors & sharpness is stunning..(sometimes (fairly often) the pictures with k850 become digi cam quality)...
the train pictures is taken early on the day...thats why they are little darker, (but i like that
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Posted by indup
where is the "camera phone pics section" for posting full size photos? i cant find it.
Posted by Erotomaniac
A guy posting photoshoped images taken from his cam phone and passing them off as original.
Wow, talk about what people would think.
I mean seriously, would anyone be that pathetic to do that? For what? So that he can prove to a bunch of guys (in a forum for god's sakes!!!) that his phone takes good pics? Even if he's (or she) is an employee of SE, the benefits of doing that is just so...inane (that's the first word that came to mind heehee)
@plankgatan, nice pics dude! Too bad the k850 won't grace Philippine shores till december, or worse, next year, or I'll be competing with you for best k850 photographer.
Posted by gola
On 2007-10-20 16:43:34, indup wrote:
where is the "camera phone pics section" for posting full size photos? i cant find it.
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Posted by bronxdude
Too bad the k850 won't grace Philippine shores till december, or worse, next year, or I'll be competing with you for best k850 photographer.
it will come here 2nd or 3rd week of november
Posted by Erotomaniac
On 2007-10-20 17:47:44, bronxdude wrote:
Too bad the k850 won't grace Philippine shores till december, or worse, next year, or I'll be competing with you for best k850 photographer.
it will come here 2nd or 3rd week of november
You mean the Philippines? Nice! Glad to be wrong bout that.
Posted by clarkent
Lets face it. The ones that have stated our K850's have crap pics are jealous and the ones that have old scholl 2 mega pixels. I think my K850i on O2 is great. Way beter camera than my N95. Also it will get better with firmware updates. Oh Yeah I Love SE. YEAH BABY. SONY RULES.
Posted by AbuBasim
On 2007-10-20 18:52:30, clarkent wrote:
I think my K850i on O2 is great. Way beter camera than my N95. Also it will get better with firmware updates. Oh Yeah I Love SE. YEAH BABY. SONY RULES.
Hey?! You forgot Ericsson!
Posted by razec
On 2007-10-20 18:52:30, clarkent wrote:
Lets face it. The ones that have stated our K850's have crap pics are jealous and the ones that have old scholl 2 mega pixels. I think my K850i on O2 is great. Way beter camera than my N95. Also it will get better with firmware updates. Oh Yeah I Love SE. YEAH BABY. SONY RULES.
it doesn't end just there, remember those SE hackers that modifies the cam and acoustic drivers of such phones. i don't think nokia users can do that
instead they rely on the firmware updates to see improvements on their beloved nokias. whilst SE can even update only a single part of the phone software without affecting the other.
Posted by razec
On 2007-10-20 07:56:55, plankgatan wrote:
SIMSA ALA BIM...look what i can do...awesome sharpness & colors
this picture is taken by max_wedge....he "found" the time & the light in the picture...and look at the result !!! awesome...no dam photo-software there...just plain picture...(very nics dogs by the way)
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[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2007-10-20 06:59 ]
are those dogs a breed of golden retriever? i love those dogs,
hmm.. jojo! where are you?(gandang umaga kabayan!) you seem to have interests with those creatures, how do you like those in the pictures?
Posted by tai020381
An artistic shot involving stilts and construction and COLOURS
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/9951/dsc00288sk5.jpg
A building taken at night.
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/8327/dsc00316oq6.jpg
All pictures now taken in auto, omit the flash, AND STABILIZER OFF. I noticed that by adding stabilizer the camera will pump up ISO and also caused a bit more jagginess to the picture. For those who currently owned this phone can try it out.
Posted by soane28
What is up with the colour red in every picture? It always has a pink tint to it no matter what object or environment so far.
Posted by plankgatan
its realy hard to shoot 100% sharp pics when its bad light (like this one)...
there you have the different between a "real" digi cam against a cell phone camera...a real digi cam manage bad light much easier, (because of their BIG focal lenght)...k850, N95 have only 5.5 mm....
so its quite amazing that cell phones manage it at all
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Posted by razec
On 2007-10-21 10:47:37, plankgatan wrote:
its realy hard to shoot 100% sharp pics when its bad light (like this one)...
a real digi cam manage bad light much easier, (because of their BIG focal lenght).
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[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2007-10-21 09:53 ]
big focal length does not increase light sensitivity esp. when using optical zoom
it's the sensor size that makes digicams way better than cam-phones i think a standard digicam has a 1.1/8 inch of sensor compare it with a camphone sensor which was only a quart of that i guess
Posted by plankgatan
we mean the same thing..(sometimes i cant explain exactley what i mean, because my lack of English)...of course both Sensor + focal lenght + lens + software.....etc, improves the quality....but the focal lenght is a big different between cell phones & digi cameras.......
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Posted by bavlondon2
What a shame this has happened to the k850. So much potential.
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Posted by gaieez
Now for some amatuer outdoor shots (auto mode, didnt meddle with the settings)
Posted by Sobo
nice pics nice pics can't wait no more to have it
Posted by shuja91
They are really good man. Stunning...
Posted by bavlondon2
Those last 2 seem realy greay. Like the lens is dirty.
Posted by fullforce
I think the first one (and others to) look a little "fuzzy" on the flowers edges. If you enhance a bit you clearly see it.
Please- any suggenstions why it sometimes looks like that?( The lens was clean and my hand fairly steady)
otherwise, the color reproduction is wonderful.
My friends cute/ugly dog. A good shot i think.
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