Posted by plankgatan
he he he. its just ridiculous to even think that w810 take better low light/indoor. i have a w810 myself and it so very much worse in every indoor i take.
and please, do you really think i care about some guy who want to show how much better his w810 indoor pics gets against k850 ?? give me a break, will you.(everyone who have both phones, knows how crappy w810 indoor gets).
Vipera, do you have w810 and K850 ???? how can you even say something about the quality. you must be the sadest person here on Esato, YOU NEVER HAVE SOME REAL pictures from your own phones, you just link to other compare pics......is that all you can ???
come on now, post some stunning w810/K750/k850 compare pics, (i didnt think so)
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Posted by Vipera ammodytes
well i can use k850 every day, my friend have one...
tomorrow i will take some pictures with both phones to post another comprasion, to shut up your mouth
cheers, be aware!
btw, ofcourse everything will be on auto mode! i dont want use cloudy profile like you , and i will turn off stabilizer also!!!
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Posted by plankgatan
my friend have one. should that be some kind of a joke ???
you know what, i have never met a person who complains so much like you, AND the worse thing of all is that you never have some real "proof" yourself.
do you really think i care when you sit all time and post links to other people compare pics ???? get a life !
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Posted by milan91
On 2008-06-24 22:19:33, Vipera ammodytes wrote:
tomorrow i will take some pictures with both phones to post another comprasion, to shut up your mouth
Maybe after that plank buy one k750i
Posted by Vipera ammodytes
[quote]my friend have one. should that be some kind of a joke ???[/qiote]
why is joke??? i must have my own k850 to make comprassion??? omg you are so bigot!!!
Posted by plankgatan
he he he... you just a big fake QVGA. tomorow i will bla bla bla. (suddenley you can take compare pics between two phones you never had)
and one other thing, my w810 have never manage this kind of ORIGINAL quality on a picture.
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Posted by Vipera ammodytes
so you think i dont even have k750??
OMG
and i will write special message for you on k850...
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Posted by plankgatan
i dont care if you so have all phones in the world....... you are just a Fake.
stop quote my posts in the future...............
Posted by Vipera ammodytes
i am just fake? lol you are pathetic
Posted by Amras
well at least vipera offers pics comparison from both parties, full-sized. one thing that plank rarely shows us for real.
and since yesterday i've even still been waiting for plank to post some real without flash full-sized low light pics (not bright indoors pics like plank posted yesterday).
just my two cent.
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Posted by plankgatan
he he he. offers some real pics ??? @Amras, are you for real man, he have NEVER post a picture (what i seen) from his own
phone. he just link to other people picture all time and say, "look here, here is the proof. K850 is bla bla bla"
ok....tomorow (like Vipera just said) we will see some nice compare indoor-pics between w810 and K850.....do you really believe that yourself. (maybe you his friend or something)
here is some w810 indoor pics i found in my usb-memory....(im not using w810 right now because it have a crappy camera, just kept it because its a nice phone overall)
wooaaahhh, what a quality...it blow everything away bigtime...yeh sure.
here is more shrinked (so it should look better)...... w810 SUCKS in low light/indoor,
more w810 indoor...woooaahh, this quality blow me away.. MUCH MUCH BETTER THEN K850...yeh sure
more stunning indoor w810
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[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2008-06-24 22:53 ]
Posted by Luci'sPower
amras i already shown you a couple months back how k850 managed low light pics without a flash.....so what's the reason?
Posted by cronos555
On 2008-06-24 23:29:33, plankgatan wrote:
he he he. offers some real pics ??? @Amras, are you for real man, he have NEVER post a picture (what i seen) from his own
phone. he just link to other people picture all time and say, "look here, here is the proof. K850 is bla bla bla"
ok....tomorow (like Vipera just said) we will see some nice compare indoor-pics between w810 and K850.....do you really believe that yourself. (maybe you his friend or something.....he he)
more w810 indoor...woooaahh, this quality blow me away.. MUCH MUCH BETTER THEN K850...yeh sure
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[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2008-06-24 22:37 ]
well at least the red IS RED!
dude you are such a joke. you keep saying there's no way the w810 is better than the k850 in indoor lowlight, but yet you YOURSELF refuse to post low light pics to prove otherwise. we have, many times over shown you low light pics, that are far better than k850, but you won't show any that you have taken?
as for the w810 shots you've posted, they are not optimal. in your own words "you need to spend the time to learn the camera" which obviously you didn't.
Posted by plankgatan
i dont bother longer. let us stay on topic now...or ???
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Posted by Vipera ammodytes
many times over shown you low light pics, that are far better than k850, but you won't show any that you have taken?
he just post resized low light photos, i think he is afraid of oil paint effect in full size images...
somethin like this:
Posted by plankgatan
vipera dont forgett about tomorow....(it will be very interesting, becuase it seems that you have no clue what photographing really is)
on topic now, (I(we) have allready talk to much off topic-crap, think most people start to hate our guts)
some more nice macro pics by k850. no edit
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Posted by -PERFECT-
Guys, don’t say lies...ALL k850 users (that try it...) know that this phone CANT take acceptable pics with low indoor light like ONE neon (even looking a resized 1024x768 pic), and don’t show pics where there is more amount of light like a supermarket...with LOW light K850 look very ill.
Vipera want to show this, and even though he hasn’t one’s K850, it’s however a REAL comparison in REAL SIZE with the same light conditions...right?
Ah...Plank...I have the copyright for blablabla...
Posted by plankgatan
of course you right, K850 take unbelievable bad indoor/low light pictures and like some other says, (like we see above) w810 take stunning indoor/low light pictures.
ps. (about low light pics)... there is NO cell phone who manage REALLY low light pics with decent quality, (no i mean really low light pics, example a room with one lamp on, etc). if a k750, w810, N82, K850, etc, etc even will have ok quality it needs more lightness that many thinks. (just so you know)
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found some nice compare pics between k810 and K850 (by Pitzon). this is good low light-condition i think, (some winter-evening-garage):
K810i
K850i
Perfect (with your permission and knowledge about indoor pics) is this indoor pics ok to post, do they qualifield ???? (i dont want to make o fool of myself
)..sadly, i have not this in full size.
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Posted by -PERFECT-
Plank, can you read what i have written???
I have sad not like a “supermarket” and you post this...
Those are not with LOW light, the N82 can manage low light with decent quality, not like K850.
Someone have already ask it, can you post your BEST real size with LOW light?
Posted by plankgatan
sorry, i have no super-low light picture who looks ok, (not even of my old pics from k750, w810, k800, k810). i have take many low light pics with this 4 phones, but i have never manage to get one really sharp low light picture.
so maybe you can you show us a k750, w810, k800, etc (or a N82 if you want) who is taken in REAL low lightness ???
(i have not seen that kind of picture yet). of course in full size like you said
thanks.
ps.
what about this low light pics. (full size or not)...do they qualifield, can we say something about the quality (even they are posted in shrinked size)
K810i
K850i
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Posted by milan91
On 2008-06-25 01:30:08, plankgatan wrote:
found some nice compare pics between k810 and K850 (by Pitzon). this is good low light-condition i think, (some winter-evening-garage):
K810i
K850i
This is stupid...
How to compare this two phone with these pics...First pics are not same...
Posted by -PERFECT-
YOU say: “sorry, i have no super-low light picture who looks ok”...I know the reason...
And you know that i don’t have Nokia N82, so don’t ask me to show you a REAL pic of this phone.
Everyone can see the BIG difference between K850 and N82 with low light in other forum, but maybe not you...
And in this last pic, how can we know that it’s from K850? And how can we see the real quality with a shrinked size?
That’s why people always ask you the real size...but you don't give us it...
So...where is your "proof"???
Posted by plankgatan
edit. we posted same time.
"know the reason" ??? I TOLD YOU THE REASON, so please, dont act like you know something like we other dont.
let us see some really low light pics now with good quality, you have been saying quite some time now about other cell phone quality, it cant be that hard to find ONE good picture ??? or ??
he he he. you know as well as me, that their is NO cell phone, (except i-mobile 902) who manage good sharpness in really low light condition. so stop this crap...............
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Posted by milan91
On 2008-06-25 01:30:08, plankgatan wrote:
found some nice compare pics between k810 and K850 (by Pitzon). this is good low light-condition i think, (some winter-evening-garage):
K810i
K850i
Here is two pics, like pics k810 vs k850
Is this same?!?
Posted by -PERFECT-
Plank, are you serious when you say that K850 is at the same level of N82 in low light pics?
You continusly surprise me...You don’t need a N82 pic with low light to see a better pic (better of K850 of course), you can wait Vipera tomorrow...or see the comparison above with T650...
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Posted by Amras
the point is not making superb low light pics with a mobile phone cam. but to prove whether there are other SE phones takes better low light pics than k850. -> pls keep it in mind.
i posted some pics here.
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=171812
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Posted by plankgatan
hhhmmm, Perfect, WHY CANT YOU(someone) SHOW ME A INDOOR PICTURE TAKEN IN REAL LOW LIGHTNESS IN FULL SIZE BY k750, w810, N82, etc , etc with good quality,..........im waiting !
i didnt think so, (only cell phone ( precisely like i said) who manage good, sharp REAL low light pictures is i-mobile 902.
Amras. ????? this is no damn low light pictures, (they are all shoot against some strong light-source),.DONT YOU UNDERSTAND, THERE IS NO CELL PHONE WITH IS TINY SENSOR WHO MANAGE SHARP REAL LOW LIGHT PICTURES.
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Posted by Amras
On 2008-06-25 09:46:12, plankgatan wrote:
hhhmmm, Perfect, WHY CANT YOU(someone) SHOW ME A INDOOR PICTURE TAKEN IN REAL LOW LIGHTNESS IN FULL SIZE BY k750, w810, N82, etc , etc with good quality,..........
i didnt think so, (only cell phone ( precisely like i said) who manage good, sharp REAL low light pictures is i-mobile 902.
Amras. ????? this is no damn low light pictures, (they are all shoot against some strong light-source), ha ha ha, this is just what Perfect talked about....DONT YOU UNDERSTAND, THERE IS NO CELL PHONE WITH IS TINY SENSOR WHO MANAGE SHARP REAL LOW LIGHT PICTURES.
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[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2008-06-25 08:58 ]
still the big question is, can your k850 manage to take better pics and details than what i posted in such conditions? if can, then prove it. coz you haven't proved it yet, plank.
you always talk about k850's details, so then let's prove it. i'm sure it's not that hard for you who brags about k850's details all the time.
and what you just said, k850 can win easily in such conditions that i used, and then you just posted "like this one" -> some bright outdoor pic, it's really not relevant at all. and it's shrinked (again!). see, that is the reason people don't believe you and keep asking.
are you that afraid of posting the full-sized low light pics??
so all i can say is.. that k770 can beat easily k850 pics detail in low lights. like this one:
irrelevant? yes.. that's what you did actually.
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Posted by plankgatan
and STOP write rubbish in this thread, this thread is for k850-PICTURES, how hard can it be ???
if you want to play it that way (with pics shoot against strong light sources), k850 will win easily, like this ones
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Posted by Amras
On 2008-06-25 10:10:33, plankgatan wrote:
and STOP write rubbish in this thread, this thread is for k850-PICTURES,
and if you want to play it that way (with pics shoot against strong light sources), k850 will win easily, like this one
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[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2008-06-25 09:13 ]
you can do better than that. it's not even half sized.
http://www.esato.com/board/img.php?id=84579 -> where's the original? i wanna see if the writings on the ads can be read.
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Posted by Duran
Also, those were the 1st pictures revealed before k850 was released.
Plank didn't make them, and i still wonder whether those were even made by a k850
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Posted by puestadelsol
On 2008-06-21 01:48:17, puestadelsol wrote:
K750 vs. k850
Here are the pictures, and some 100% crops too. NO xenon, no leds, the same conditions, the same place, all the pictures are shot with timer.
With the K750 honestly is the first picture shot in these conditions, with the K850 is about after 10 shots in these conditions, and I think these are the very best results, and I couldn't make better even I would shot untill the morning. And, the pictures from K850 are shot just at 3mp, and the 100% crops are looking crappy, at 5 mp I don't know what kind of details would I get, but surely it would be worse.
And sadly I think there is no way to get in these conditions in this place better results, details, textures or sharpness from the K850. However i would be glad if K850 would produce better pics, which would be better just than a 2mp picture shot by a K750.
Here are the pictures.
K750
100% crops
K850 auto mode
100% crops
K850 document mode
100% crops
And... the focusing is good.
[ This Message was edited by: puestadelsol on 2008-06-21 01:02 ]
You can see, the only light source is the standing lamp, which reflects in the tv, and is set about 75% by the switch. And k850 can't cope with the K750 2mp details, so the k850's 3mp offers less details, and inforamation then k750's 2 mp. With 5 mp, the details would be more washed out, with more explosion/oil paint effect.
I haven't too many freetime, but I'll make another comparisons.
And please keep in mind that K750 was released 3 years ago, and K850 about 8-9 months ago so I think this comparison is more than fair. I think, or at least I hope that in the end of this year the C905 will win the battle against the K750.
, only the weight of K750 would be winner.[ This Message was edited by: puestadelsol on 2008-06-25 12:21 ]
Posted by -PERFECT-
Plank, you have taken over 7000 (or 8000/9000/10000?...) pics with your K850, an average of 30 pics/day everyday, and you show these shots not taken by you??? (and like said by Duran they probably don’t come from a K850)
The examples posted by puestadelsol and Amras clearly show the ability of K850 in low (even not very low) light conditions in comparison to other phones.
We all wait YOUR REAL SIZE pic in low light conditions...and wait...and wait...
Posted by tai020381
Guys, THIS IS A POST FOR PHOTOS TAKEN BY K850, NOT FOR YOU GUYS TO SQUABBLE!!~~~ AND IF YOU GUYS WANT TO SQUABBLE PLEASE CREATE A NEW TOPIC AND GO ALL AT IT (that is, if moderator approves it.)
Posted by plankgatan
stop this off topic-crap now.(we just destroy the thread even more)
some nice rose pic, no edit
i remember when i tried to get this portrait quality with my k750, it never become like example this cat-picture. the sharpness is way better on k850....
no edit...
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Posted by Coquito
@plank: If you are happy with your k850, keep it, you dont have to prove to anyone how wonderful it is.
In my opinion, K850 takes decent low ligh pictures, the flash is there for that purpose, isnt it?
Heres some pictures I took using flash:
at the final of the party k850 was really wet
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Posted by puestadelsol
I don't really understand, why some uf you are complaining when somebody posts comparison pics about K850. This thread isn't just to deify the K850 camera, which performs below expectations in term of details or low light, sometimes in sharpness.
When somebody want to buy a K850 for it camera, and is an esato member, but didn't tried the k850's camera, what does he/she do? Visits the post pictures taken with your k850 thread, and watchs the pictures. But if we post just perfect pictures, without comparisons, without 100% crops, which demonstrates the crapy details produced by the k850's camera, then somebody interested in k850 camera can't create an owerall image about the K850 camera. Then some of us says that it's just a phone, how can we expect more from it? Just because there are phones which can outperform the K850.
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Posted by Guto_ViP
On 2008-06-25 19:14:31, puestadelsol wrote:
I don't really understand, why some uf you are complaining when somebody posts comparison pics about K850. This thread isn't just to deify the K850 camera, which performs below expectations in term of details or low light, sometimes in sharpness.
When somebody want to buy a K850 for it camera, and is an esato member, but didn't tried the k850's camera, what does he/she do? Visits the post pictures taken with your k850 thread, and watchs the pictures. But if we post just perfect pictures, without comparisons, without 100% crops, which demonstrates the crapy details produced by the k850's camera, then somebody interested in k850 camera can't create an owerall image about the K850 camera. Then some of us says that it's just a phone, how can we expect more from it? Just because there are phones which can outperform the K850.
[ This Message was edited by: puestadelsol on 2008-06-25 18:16 ]
Man... Perfect!
Last day i saw one K850 Silver/Black... Is beautiful... but only this for me, because i dont think the K850 give always good pictures, of course on daylight all camphone can take a good picture, but about night, K850 isnt work fine...
K850 Silver:
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Posted by jippi
Some images straight from the camera - nice Norwegian scenery.
Waiting for the ferry...
On the way up.
Nice fjords
The goal: Prekestolen
Crazy people - it is 604 metres down to the sea!
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Posted by plankgatan
@Jippi, i been on that cliff. its just awesome up there
if you had taken this pics with cloudy profile, wooaah man, you would got some stunnig pictures with very good colors. (just a little tip for next time
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Posted by that-guy
the k850i camera suits my needs.. its only a cell phone!! the time when cell-phones can REALLY replace a digital camera is not now.. maybe in 1 or 2 years, but not now. The k850i is quite good for some snapshots, even when it sucks a bit in lowlight situations cuz of the waterpainting effect.. and because of the red/pink problem.. with a modded camera driver it'll be much better... the flash is ok, when using for portraits in short distance 1-2m.. otherwise its too weak. BUT for the time and technology now, its quite good.. i didn't expect more from it.. judge for yourself and don't complain!.. even N82 can't do MUCH better than this.
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Posted by Guto_ViP
On 2008-06-26 16:10:19, that-guy wrote:
the k850i camera suits my needs.. its only a cell phone!! the time when cell-phones can REALLY replace a digital camera is not now.. maybe in 1 or 2 years, but not now. The k850i is quite good for some snapshots, even when it sucks a bit in lowlight situations cuz of the waterpainting effect.. and because of the red/pink problem.. with a modded camera driver it'll be much better... the flash is ok, when using for portraits in short distance 1-2m.. otherwise its too weak. BUT for the time and technology now, its quite good.. i didn't expect more from it.. judge for yourself and don't complain!.. even N82 can't do MUCH better than this.
[ This Message was edited by: that-guy on 2008-06-26 15:20 ]
Sorry, but N82 can do better.... trust me...
Posted by that-guy
On 2008-06-26 16:28:19, Guto_ViP wrote:
On 2008-06-26 16:10:19, that-guy wrote:
the k850i camera suits my needs.. its only a cell phone!! the time when cell-phones can REALLY replace a digital camera is not now.. maybe in 1 or 2 years, but not now. The k850i is quite good for some snapshots, even when it sucks a bit in lowlight situations cuz of the waterpainting effect.. and because of the red/pink problem.. with a modded camera driver it'll be much better... the flash is ok, when using for portraits in short distance 1-2m.. otherwise its too weak. BUT for the time and technology now, its quite good.. i didn't expect more from it.. judge for yourself and don't complain!.. even N82 can't do MUCH better than this.
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Sorry, but N82 can do better.... trust me...
i said that it can do better, but not much
Posted by DonJuan
i just got a rebel xsi im loving it, this thread is a killer, my next phone will be a nokia, just so i can avoid plank and his constant preaching about how good the K850 is. Its so boring, its seriously gone on for 200* pages and i have been a member of a lot of forums but never have i met such a fan boy as plank.
here is my car with my k850
Posted by recl
you're buying a nokia just because you can't stand plank?
) that's funny
btw:nice pic ..can you post it fullsize?
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Posted by DonJuan
Lol that reason and a lot of other things. I'm over camera phones now. I just want a good phone. I'll post a full size pic yeah
Posted by plankgatan
fan boy or not, i at least know how to press the juice out my cell phone pictures.
or what can we you say about a thread who is over 200 pages with mostly good pictures, (compared to k750 thread with +300 pages with mostly crappy pictures !!!). OF COURSE I PRAISE K850, and i do it without anyones permission.
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(t610, t630, k700, k750, k800, k810)
[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2008-06-27 08:37 ]