Posted by plankgatan
my tip to you: calibrate your screen.....its NO major bug or something wrong with blu skys on pictures, etc, etc....(why have nobody/you mention it before, untill right now)
i ask two of my classmates what they thought (no bullshit story)...they look at both pictures, (with auto level and whitout)...both said they didnt see any bigger or smaller pink color
they only thought that the pic with autolevel look little "to good", (they saw the different between the colors in autolevel)
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[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2007-11-29 16:42 ]
Posted by joemax
Whatever...
Posted by LCARS-Expert
Picture taken by Esato user "croatia":
For all Nokia "lovers".
He couldn't get the right angle because that logo is behind a smudgy window.
Posted by croatia
right on time,thanks ! yes is for all nokia "lovers" by Anti-Nokia team heheh
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Posted by TZWXSL
@tai020381
you from sg?
Posted by DonJuan
i took this late night in my car while i was at the lights, im so impressed with night time shots on this phone.
Im cant wait to walk the strip to take a lot more, but its too cold in Vegas the the moment!
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Posted by se_dude
awesum pic man..but no..sum1 here's gonna say tht this pic has "blue fringes"..
lolzz
awesum..keep up the gud work
Posted by plankgatan
On 2007-11-29 20:09:22, DonJuan wrote:
i took this late night in my car while i was at the lights, im so impressed with night time shots on this phone.
Im cant wait to walk the strip to take a lot more, but its too cold in Vegas the the moment!
[ This Message was edited by: DonJuan on 2007-11-29 19:09 ]
MAMMA MIA...realy realy good...this is for sure number one night pic by k850...well done.(and in so BIG resolution...waaahhh)
this is for sure I-Mobile902 night quality. Las Vegas is perfect for night shoots..so much lights
what did you use ???
let me guess:
stabilazor ON
night-landscape profile ON
white balance AUTO
EV +/-0
and you placed it on the ground
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[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2007-11-29 20:40 ]
Posted by ryanchg
I think that picture was taken from the passenger seat.
Posted by plankgatan
i tested to shrink it little to see the whole picture...awesome..
( you(k850) got all the details perfect)
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[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2007-11-29 20:49 ]
Posted by Alfaro
man this pic is awesome!
ps: from a mobile phone of course
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Posted by DonJuan
yeah i didnt mean to put it at 1024x768, ill change it
i rested it on my steering wheel and held my breath
thanks guys for your compliments, its amazing at night, im going to be taking a lot more pics of the strip real soon.
twilight landscape and white balance set to incadescent.
I was amazed at how good it came out, it would be better if i was out of the car too
Posted by michka
@ fullforce: I think you are making a small mistake. Purple is not a color from the sun spectrum. There is no purle in a rainbow for example. Because purple is a mixture of red and blue.
In other words purple is a mixture of two colors, and there are many different purples, depending on the ratio of red versus blue.
Saying that purple is part of the sun spectrum is a common misconception. The color that exists in the sun spectrum and that looks almost like a purple containing more blue than red is violet.
Posted by plankgatan
las vegas must be the best place on earth to shoot night pics...all this millions of lights
Posted by DonJuan
yeah its cool here in vegas, im going out soon up the strip to test it more, but its cold out here
Posted by leegt5
Posted by croatia
Here in Zagreb now is under zero celsius welcome in the club,Plankgatan what you think about my pic Rakia Correcting People? Rakia is strong drink here in Croatia something like a whiskey but with no colour like water!
This message was posted from a K850i
Posted by Sobo
your car ?NICE ONE!some subtile tunning...
Posted by Radiux399
I don't know, but I personally think that there is something wrong with the K850's camera algorithms. There is just WAY too much noise reduction artifacts in the pictures that it takes. I just got a T650i, and it seems to take some great photo's - as good as the K750i was back in the day. Take a look at these 2 shots at 100% crop.
K850i
T650i
I know these aren't the same places or the same lighting conditions, but EVERY picture i've ever seen by the K850, no matter the lighting, seems to have this same noise. I was very surprised to find that the T650 doesn't seem to have any of that noise. Very disappointing the a non-cybershot phone can take better pictures than their flagship!
Hopefully this will be fixed in firmware upgrades.
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Posted by DonJuan
Radius, i dont know what your doing wrong their my friend but im not getting that much noise at night shots. Is that picture zoomed in or something?
Posted by borg_
Superb photo DonJuan
@Radiux399 i think that you have the zoom working when you took those photos ??? That's the reason why of so bad quality
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[ This Message was edited by: borg_ on 2007-11-30 00:45 ]
Posted by Radiux399
DonJuan: Its not a night shot. Its daytime.
Borg: No, its not zoomed in. Its a 100% view (1:1) crop of the full image.
Basically, everyone here is showing tiny reduced size 800x600 (or less!) images from their phones. Of course a 5 megapixel image is going to look good when its shrunken down to 0.5 megapixels - its 1/10th the size! What i'm trying to demonstrate is that looking at the image in its full resolution has tons of noise and artifacts. I've looked at hundreds of shots taken by the K850 on Flickr, and they ALL have varying degrees of this noise. I'd like to see a 100% crop of a K850 photo that doesn't exhibit this.
Posted by DonJuan
oh i see, why are you worrying about this though, how often do you print your pics out?
thank you borg
Posted by sadeghi85
On 2007-11-30 01:52:47, Radiux399 wrote:
DonJuan: Its not a night shot. Its daytime.
Borg: No, its not zoomed in. Its a 100% view (1:1) crop of the full image.
Basically, everyone here is showing tiny reduced size 800x600 (or less!) images from their phones. Of course a 5 megapixel image is going to look good when its shrunken down to 0.5 megapixels - its 1/10th the size! What i'm trying to demonstrate is that looking at the image in its full resolution has tons of noise and artifacts. I've looked at hundreds of shots taken by the K850 on Flickr, and they ALL have varying degrees of this noise. I'd like to see a 100% crop of a K850 photo that doesn't exhibit this.
It's because of "sensor size". K850 and T650 cameras have same(or near?) sensor size:
...A hefty-megapixel image sensor, however, doesn't ensure amazing photo quality. Other aspects of the
camera's optics and electronics play important roles too. For example, a 6-megapixel sensor in a compact
camera will be in the neighborhood of 7mm x 9mm in physical size, but a 6-megapixel sensor in a digital
SLR will be 15mm x 23mm or larger. That means that each of the photosites (photosensitive diodes that
collect one pixel's worth of light) on the DSLR's sensor is physically bigger. These bigger photosites
collect more light and result in better image quality and reduced digital noise.
from "Digital Photography Pocket Guide, Third Edition"
solution: use "PSP", "PS" or other photo editing tool to reduce digital noise, then shrink pictures to 3MP or less.
[ This Message was edited by: sadeghi85 on 2007-11-30 01:51 ]
Posted by DonJuan
I hope the k900 has a really good sensor next, if it doesnt ill be disappointed
Posted by Radiux399
It's because of "sensor size". K850 and T650 cameras have same(or near?) sensor size:
solution: use "PSP", "PS" or other photo editing tool to reduce digital noise, then shrink pictures to 3MP or less.
[ This Message was edited by: sadeghi85 on 2007-11-30 01:51 ]
Thanks for the explanation. I know that most real cameras have a larger sensor, as well as a larger lens. However as far as I can tell, the T650i has a much smaller lens compared to the K850i.
However, noise (as in low light noise) isn't what i'm really concerned with. Instead what i'm seeing is some kind of digital compression done by the camera software in order to hide the noise. The way pixels from one part of the image "spill over" into adjacent parts is usually from poor camera software, not from a poor sensor. Or perhaps it is the sensor. Either way, the one on the T650i is much smaller, and yet still manages to do a much better job.
Posted by DonJuan
A 5 mega pixel camera can print out 8 x 10 inch pictures at its full resolution. I would only print out on 5 x 7 and the pic's look good to me. If i were viewing them at the full size you were looking at i'd be bothered. But if your not printing out your pic's 8 x 10 then why worry about it?
Posted by DonJuan
a couple i took today at work
we got a new shipment in
our main feature....
Posted by plankgatan
k850 have a good sensor, easily one of the best on the market...it could have a little bigger/stronger lens, (special the focal lenght could be little bigger)...k850 have better(more sensitive) sensor then ex, N95, (just look at the low light, indoor pictures, they are allways better,(have allways best details).
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Posted by tai020381
On 2007-11-29 18:58:15, TZWXSL wrote:
@tai020381
you from sg?
Yep ^^
Posted by DonJuan
lol Plank you know whats funny, doing the face warp on the mannequins
Posted by plankgatan
he he he...seeeeexy
Posted by sadeghi85
Instead what i'm seeing is some kind of digital compression done by the camera software in order to hide the noise.
what you mean? "bad noise reduction algorithm" or "fuzzy edges caused by lossy jpeg compression"? compression hasn't any effect on hiding the noise.
The way pixels from one part of the image "spill over" into adjacent parts is usually from poor camera software, not from a poor sensor. Or perhaps it is the sensor
can you explain more(with pictures)?
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Posted by number1
your right the k850i pictures are heavily compressed
this is from the k850i camdriver
50 // JPEG_INIT_QUALITY = 80d <<< what it aims to compress the picture at
46 // JPEG_FIRST_QUALITY = 70d<<<< what it tries next to compress the picture at
3C // JPEG_LAST_QUALITY = 60d<<< what it tries last to compress the picture at
so u could end up with a picture compressed at 60% lol even k800i manages 90% =
Posted by plankgatan
as long the pictures ends up good, who cares about some tech info
it take sharp macro, it take sharp portrait, it take sharp indoor & it take sharp flash pics....thats realy ok for me
k850 have one of the best camera on the market.....thats also realy ok for me
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[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2007-11-30 13:16 ]
Posted by Bhavv
Took some pics of my PC for another forum with my K850i. I havn't rezized them, so will post thumbnails:
With Flash:
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/2428/dsc00022fd6.jpg
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/8783/dsc00023uo2.jpg
Dark Pics:
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/5295/dsc00022abd3.jpg
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/4047/dsc00024bu5.jpg
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/322/dsc00025ba3.jpg
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Posted by AbuBasim
On 2007-11-30 04:17:42, Radiux399 wrote:
However, noise (as in low light noise) isn't what i'm really concerned with. Instead what i'm seeing is some kind of digital compression done by the camera software in order to hide the noise. The way pixels from one part of the image "spill over" into adjacent parts is usually from poor camera software, not from a poor sensor. Or perhaps it is the sensor. Either way, the one on the T650i is much smaller, and yet still manages to do a much better job.
Probably not compression but noise reduction and maybe not enough sharpening. But reducing noise in a JPEG also has the effect of making it smaller after compression. With the average size of K850 photos being about 1 - 1.5 MB (correct me if this is wrong!) then this corresponds to about 15 percent compression when using the JPEG optimizer in PSP, and this level of compression usually leaves no visible artifacts.
All image sensors have a fuzzy filter to minimize moire and other pixelation effects in photos and require sharpening after acquiring the image from the sensor. On more expensive digicams that support the RAW image format you collect the image as-is, without sharpening and other processing applied.
Posted by Bhavv
Some more pics of my uber geekyness +100 things:
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/9895/dsc00036sh0.jpg
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/698/dsc00039pl2.jpg
I my dragon.
I just realised that thumbnails dont seem to work here, I'll add links to the full images after each pic.
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Posted by DonJuan
So if the K850 software is compressing the images at the moment. Does this mean with better software we can expect clearer and sharper pictures in the future??
Posted by plankgatan
On 2007-11-30 18:36:37, DonJuan wrote:
So if the K850 software is compressing the images at the moment. Does this mean with better software we can expect clearer and sharper pictures in the future??
of course...its so with all digital cameras, cell phones, graphics card, etc... (everything who use a GPU)....
you more optimized software, you better result.....
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[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2007-11-30 18:15 ]
Posted by borg_
Taken in total darkness
Auto
Posted by fullforce
Pastrys anyone?
Boy they are ugly! Looks like me a sunday morning after heavy drinking!
Posted by DonJuan
cool Plank.
Those are some cool pastries fullforce
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Posted by tai020381
On 2007-11-30 20:11:50, DonJuan wrote:
cool Plank.
Those are some cool pastries
... I think you've misread the poster's name... fullforce posted the pastries pics...
Posted by DonJuan
lol nah i was commenting back to Planks reply to me then i did a fresh paragraph and said those were nice pastries.
But i edited it anyway
Posted by LCARS-Expert
Christmas is coming to town! Pictures taken by croatia:
The next phone in K series:
Settings: Daylight, Metering mode: Spot, 5MP (scaled down by phone to fit an MMS). No Photoshopping.
[ This Message was edited by: LCARS-Expert on 2007-11-30 19:48 ]
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Posted by DonJuan
why would you use spot metering there though?
Posted by plankgatan
@LCARS-Expert.......never use "spot" enabled in landscape..
your pics is good, but if you want more colors-saturation, dont use spot, also use cloudy profile, and if its realy sunny use daylight + ISO.100.....some tips...
ps....only use spot if you have a realy white background on close distance, (macro, etc)
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[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2007-11-30 20:03 ]
Posted by LCARS-Expert
It gives better sharpness in such situations. I, myself prefer spot metering too. Normal metering sometimes gets "confused" if there is movement so it doesn't focus as it should.
Plankgatan, please read. Those aren't my pictures, these were taken by "croatia". He is an Esato user too but he can't upload pictures so I do it for him.
[ This Message was edited by: LCARS-Expert on 2007-11-30 20:04 ]
Posted by plankgatan
njjaa..you wrong there..i have tried both many times, (just to compare), and spot is NOT good when you shoot big, outdoor pictures....(just look at your pic, they are good but have not so much colors)
with cloudy or iso.100 + daylight you get this wonderfull colors, (depends how strong sunshine you have)
just a little tip
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