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Posted by Duran
just go to try out the k850 and it still has the oil-paint effect of the k800:S..........................
Horrible


Posted by mongoose3800

On 2007-11-07 12:00:36, Duran wrote:
just go to try out the k850 and it still has the oil-paint effect of the k800:S..........................
Horrible


Nah, your just not viewing the photos correctly. Just shrink them and they'll be perfect. If that fails, photoshop them:-)


Posted by AbuBasim

On 2007-11-07 12:23:52, mongoose3800 wrote:
Nah, your just not viewing the photos correctly. Just shrink them and they'll be perfect. If that fails, photoshop them:-)

The size 778x584 is very odd. In fact, it is less than 10 percent of the full size. I bet K750i/W800i shots look almost as good in that tiny size.


Posted by mongoose3800
Oh, they do!

Posted by goldenface
^^The K810i/K800i is still a good phone you know mate, it takes great pics.

@Plankgatan

Great pictures matey, keep up the good work.


On 2007-11-06 11:40:00, Bryan84 wrote:
Here is another shot



Exposure Time: 1/20 sec
Aperture: f/280
ISO: 64
Scene: Normal
Flash used: Flash did not fire, auto mode
Image resolution: 5.04 mega pixels (1944 x 2592)

Full Size: http://www.esato.com/phonephotos/viewphotos.php?pid=8033

I think it's better to leave ISO to AUTO so sometimes the camera can snap photos at ISO64 for us.



Brilliant!

[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2007-11-07 13:07 ]

Posted by Duran

On 2007-11-07 12:23:52, mongoose3800 wrote:

On 2007-11-07 12:00:36, Duran wrote:
just go to try out the k850 and it still has the oil-paint effect of the k800:S..........................
Horrible


Nah, your just not viewing the photos correctly. Just shrink them and they'll be perfect. If that fails, photoshop them:-)


Ye, but at 100% there's so much oil paint it looks like a painting.
My k750 had none of this
look at this :S



Posted by plankgatan
??????????

take a good picture !!!!!!!!!!!

then you will see..

Posted by DonJuan
just got it and im loving it, i will be posting a lot more, but im really impressed with the metering mode, here we can see how good it is.....



Posted by zootzoot
one of my car at the car wash...




Posted by jmcomms
note that K850 hasn't IS-equipped lens, so Stabilizer mode simply increases ISO(faster shutter speed) to reduce motion blur caused by a shaky hand or movable object, so quality may decrease(instead of increase)


Are you sure? I've not done much experimentation with the K850i yet but the K800/K810 will crop the image when the stabiliser is on, suggesting it's using the outer pixels as a buffer for movement. I certainly didn't notice significant increases in noise, but you do need to hold the camera as steady as you can because you do introduce a forced shutter lag!

Posted by plankgatan
i realy doubt that to...me and some other peole with k850 use the stabilazor all time...and i have not seen any different ISO changning.

i get better pictures (special indoor) with the stabilazor on

Posted by DonJuan
my cat



[ This Message was edited by: DonJuan on 2007-11-08 00:10 ]

Posted by plankgatan







Posted by tnkgrl
I've been using my SE K850i for about 3 weeks now...

Here's my unboxing:
http://tnkgrl.wordpress.com/2[....]oxing-the-sony-ericsson-k850i/

Here's my quick review: http://tnkgrl.wordpress.com/2[....]y-ericsson-k850i-observations/

Here's my iSync plugin:
http://tnkgrl.wordpress.com/2[....]y-ericsson-k850i-isync-plugin/

Here's my take on the camera: http://tnkgrl.wordpress.com/2[....]ricsson-k850i-camera-analysis/

Enjoy!

Posted by sadeghi85

On 2007-11-07 23:06:41, jmcomms wrote:
note that K850 hasn't IS-equipped lens, so Stabilizer mode simply increases ISO(faster shutter speed) to reduce motion blur caused by a shaky hand or movable object, so quality may decrease(instead of increase)


Are you sure? I've not done much experimentation with the K850i yet but the K800/K810 will crop the image when the stabiliser is on, suggesting it's using the outer pixels as a buffer for movement. I certainly didn't notice significant increases in noise, but you do need to hold the camera as steady as you can because you do introduce a forced shutter lag!




have you seen the link i provided? Image stabilization on Wikipedia :


"...In photography, image stabilization can often permit the use of shutter speeds 3-4 stops slower
(exposures 8-16 times longer), although even slower effective speeds have been reported.
The rule of thumb to determine the slowest shutter speed possible for hand-holding without noticeable
blur due to camera shake is to take the reciprocal of the effective focal length of the lens. For example,
at a focal length of 125mm, vibration or camera shake would affect sharpness if the shutter speed was
slower than 1/125 second. As a result of the 3-4 stops slower shutter speeds allowed by IS, an image taken
at 1/125 second speed with an ordinary lens could be taken at 1/15 or 1/8 second with an IS-equipped lens
and produce almost the same quality. The sharpness obtainable at a given speed can increase dramatically.
When calculating the effective focal length, it is important to take into account the image format a 
camera uses. For example, many digital SLR cameras use an APS-C image sensor that multiplies the effective
focal length of the lens by 1.5 or 1.6, depending on the camera. This value is usually referred to as the 
field of view crop factor or simply crop factor...."


obviously that is not the case with K850

but "cropping-buffering" is a technique anyway:

"...Many Non-linear editing systems use stabilization filters that can correct a non-stabilized
image by tracking the movement of pixels in the image and correcting the image by moving the frame.
The process is similar to Digital image stabilization but since there is no "larger" image to work with 
the filter either crops the image down to hide the motion of the frame or attempts to recreate the lost
image at the edge through extrapolation...."


i don't know K850 will crop the image or not, but if not, surely it increases ISO. you can read the manual, it should be mentioned there.



Posted by AbuBasim
Hi tnkgrl,

Welcome to Esato. I've been reading your blog ever since I hit it from Google, search for i-mobile 902.

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[ This Message was edited by: AbuBasim on 2007-11-08 09:38 ]

Posted by joemax
tnkgrl, great images and a cool site you have there.

I've downloaded your iSync plug in (thanks for that) to give it a try - the Feiser one I bought fails to sync my calendar claiming I have too many events !!

mmm... my social / work life is not that busy

Posted by jmcomms
The manual with the K850i doesn't say anything about anything (try finding out more about how the Bluetooth Internet sharing works, or the USB modem, and so on).

The K800i crops the image, so it must be doing the former rather than the latter for image stabilisation. Increasing the ISO would reduce light, and images are not darker. I am sure the K850i does the same, but I am yet to do any proper comparison tests.

Posted by sadeghi85

On 2007-11-02 19:28:33, Bryan84 wrote:
plank, but with stablizer, the pic quality is reduce right? according to manuall.






@jmcomms:

Ok, i will wait for your comparison tests.


Posted by plankgatan
panorama with k850 eat every cell phone ive used...

excellent for such a bad light


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[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2007-11-08 15:46 ]

Posted by LCARS-Expert
I was looking for a good sharpness and image quality test.
Took a picture of an air conditioner filter. The image is really sharp!


Posted by davidsic
Very bad Weather, low light, clouwdy. exposure decreased





A vidéo in the car wash -> http://www.sendspace.com/file/hhakku


[ This Message was edited by: davidsic on 2007-11-08 17:03 ]

Posted by tnkgrl
@AbuBasim, @joemax... Thanks for the welcome guys! I 've been reading Esato for a while now - I have no idea why I didn't join sooner

FYI, I have not tested my iSync plugin extensively. Contacts work, but I'm not sure about the calendar. Alternatively there's another free iSync plugin available on Howard forums.

Posted by plankgatan

On 2007-11-08 18:00:45, davidsic wrote:
Very bad Weather, low light, clouwdy. exposure decreased




A vidéo in the car wash -> http://www.sendspace.com/file/hhakku


[ This Message was edited by: davidsic on 2007-11-08 17:03 ]


nice shoot.....nearly the same picture who i have myself
(but i prefer Porshe cayene Turbo ..he he he


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[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2007-11-08 21:05 ]

Posted by Pitzon
Ahh, think i must own you with this rocket who i found parked outside work today



Posted by plankgatan
k850 is the real winner...just look at this lowlight (cloudy) shitty weather pictures......such a good sharpness..(cant understand that some people nagg.... it totally rocks...........

i think the screen is the part i nearly like most....my friend have a N73..(nice screen that to)..but when we compared our screens, k850 was more crispy....
(this new screen technology is realy awesome...it looks like it just glued on the phone...i realy realy hope keep using this screens).

it manage sunshine in a new, better way...(my old phones gets fairly dark when its sunny)

k800 vs k850

and at the end....3 favourites


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[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2007-11-08 22:23 ]


Posted by Pitzon
Have to agree Plank

I have also had all those phones and when i look through all pictures i have taken with K750/K800/K810i there are a few really nice ones but the K850is are much better.

I think itīs quite funny to hear all the nagging but i think itīs mainly from people who havenīt got a K850i or havenīt spent some time learning the camera properly.

And things will get even better i guess with future firmware upgrades



Posted by jmcomms
The K850i does take good photos, without a shadow of a doubt, but at full resolution the photos are crap. The filtering is too much, and it's only because most images here are reduced that they look so good.

There's an argument that you could just as easily do with a K800i that's as cheap as chips these days! It's only because the phone has many other improvements (or will when the firmware is fixed) that you would buy this instead.

Posted by Bryan84
Any news about firmware release?

Posted by plankgatan
2 weeks..........i think


ps...show me one cell phone who have perfect sharpness in full size if its taken in lowlight, cloudy weather, etc, etc....the answer is NON.

whats the point to nagg about full size pictures ???? who in hell watching their pictures in full size ????? (not me...i print them out, and they looks perfect)...and if you go back in this thread, you find some full size pictures...(they looks realy good...of course its daylight pictures..but hey...what do you expect ????
do you want perfect sharpness in full size all time...buy a Hasselblad



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[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2007-11-09 16:33 ]

Posted by marinedisco
Yes I believe the argument could be make about the k800 daylight photos being as good, mine certantly are..but my indoor and flash photo's are much better. However I don't want to post photo's of my friends using the flash. There are some things that do need to be improved with this phone but there are some nice upgraded feachers that i think makes it worth getting the phone, especially the screen.

Auto, daylight profile





Posted by Pitzon
Well i think itīs mainly common sense that most of the pictures are resized like the upload here on Esato for a close example. If you look at pictures on your monitor ofcourse you have a "wiewer" who zooms them down so you can see the whole picture instead of just a corner or so..

All pictures you use in real life you resize so you can mail them to your friends or making them web-friendly and so on. I also think very few people on this planet have a monitor that uses a resolution of 2592x1944 pixels and wiews their pictures at 100% all the time

I can agree that i would like to see less "noise" and stuf on the K850i pics when zooming them to 100% and the pictures doesent look so good compared to a "real" digicam. You can buy a "real" digicam today for lets say 125$ that would completely beat all mobile phones on this area..

But in reality and as i use my pictures i just love my K850i and the pictures it produces. They often are a bit "pale" straight out of the cam but the details are there. I quickly fix my pictures and resizes them in a simple photo program and this is no big deal for me. Around 5 seconds for a picture and then i have a picture i can enjoy and email my friends or publish on the web and be happy about. And if you dont know how a photoeditor/program works then my advice is to never buy a digital cam for this is very usefull even if you have a "real" digicam.

Bottom line is, the K850i produces MUCH better pictures than my previous K750/K800/K810. This is so obvious when browsing around all my earlier pictures. Zoomed to 100% maybe some earlier picture contains less noice but as you wiew the pictures in real life this doesent matter. The level of detail is much much better and this is really noticeable. And dont forget that when you look at K850s pictures at 100% you are looking at a much larger picture than K750/K800. They both would be resized smaller when for example printing a photo but the K850s would contain more details.

Other benefits are indoors and during bad lightning, i dont think i got one usable picture from my earlier K750/K800/K810 but now i can use my K850 as a partycam also. Itīs just a matter of not shooting in "Full Auto" and spend some time reading the photo tips here on Esato. I have had "real" digicams before that have done this job much worse than the K850 does.

For what it is the cam is very useful. Ofcourse i didnīt believe that this mobile phone should replace my real digicam but it does the job quite well and i always have it with me in my pocket.

In my eyes the cam in K850i are lightyears better than K750/K800/K810 but itīs still far from a "real" digicam. Ofcourse i canīt recomend people who owns the K800/K810 to spend the money or making an upgrade just for the cam in K850i. You would be better of to hold on to your phones and buy a real digicam to use separately instead. As i said earlier you get a "real" digicam today for around 125$ that will whoop all phones completely. But if you want a much better cam inside your phone and think itīs worth it then the K850i is a nice upgrade. Itīs up to you guys to decide. Just take a look through all pages here of sample pictures and then try to for example take a shot in low lightning.

OMG this went into a long post but i just felt for sharing some common sense.



[ This Message was edited by: Pitzon on 2007-11-09 20:58 ]

Posted by sadeghi85

On 2007-11-09 18:12:31, Pitzon wrote:
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All pictures you use in real life you resize so you can mail them to your friends or making them web-friendly and so on. I also think very few people on this planet have a monitor that uses a resolution of 2592x1944 pixels and wiews their pictures at 100% all the time
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also for print. printing on A5 will give good result. camera phones are useful when you haven't a proper camera with you(unexpected situations), so if someone wants to print his pictures on A4, A3 ..., he should use a proper camera.


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Ofcourse i canīt recomend people who owns the K800/K810 to spend the money or making an upgrade just for the cam in K850i. You would be better of to hold on to you phones and buy a real digicam to use sepatately instead. As i said earlier you get a real digicam today for around 125$ that will whoop all phones completely.
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this is exactly what i intended to say, but waited to say someone else. 3MP is enough for a camera phone. if there are 5MP camera phones (and 7MPs next year), it's only because of competition between brands.
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@Bryan84:

where you read that with stablizer, the pic quality will reduce? (according to which manual?)
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@jmcomms:

still wait for your comparison tests. it's not that hard, just take two shot, one with stablizer, one without, then compare their dimensions.


Posted by plankgatan
sharpness from K850............




AND YES...THEY STILL LOOKS GOOD IN FULL SIZE

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[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2007-11-10 00:34 ]

Posted by elementz

On 2007-11-09 17:28:23, plankgatan wrote:
ps...show me one cell phone who have perfect sharpness in full size if its taken in lowlight, cloudy weather, etc, etc....the answer is NON.

[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2007-11-09 16:33 ]


If you set ur k850i to timer and leave it on a surface to snap a landscape pic at night without flash, you should be able to get perfect sharpness right?

Can you help do that and post the pic here? I'm curious.

THanks.

Posted by razec
There was yet no K850 users here that have dared to post text shots here may you post one guys? and some 100% cropped text shots too?

Posted by Bryan84

On 2007-11-09 19:14:28, sadeghi85 wrote:
@Bryan84:

where you read that with stablizer, the pic quality will reduce? (according to which manual?)
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Sorry it was not from the manual book but the phone itself.

Camera Options >> Edit >> Stablilizer >> the press the "i" info icon.



Posted by Bryan84

On 2007-11-10 03:37:17, razec wrote:
There was yet no K850 users here that have dared to post text shots here may you post one guys? and some 100% cropped text shots too?



Text shots? Do you mean Documents shots?



Full Size: http://www.esato.com/phonephotos/viewphotos.php?pid=8115

Exposure Time - 1/60 sec
Aperture - f/280
ISO - 64
Scene - Normal
Flash used - Flash did not fire, auto mode
Image resolution - 5.04 mega pixels (2592 x 1944

Posted by marinedisco

On 2007-11-09 18:12:31, Pitzon wrote:
I quickly fix my pictures and resizes them in a simple photo program and this is no big deal for me.

What program do you use?


[ This Message was edited by: Pitzon on 2007-11-09 20:58 ]


Posted by chombos1
@bryan84

you didn't get it...

it is saying that the image RESOLUTION is reduced not the image QUALITY...

in fact the stabilizer was put there to increase the image quality by compensating the movements of the hand by reserving a few pixcels from the sides of the photo so when your hand shakes... the picture will move within that reserved area so the sensor will remove that movement and what you get is a steady shot....

that is why when you move your hand in stabilizer mode the picture has a delay to follow your hand movement.

hope it was useful..

Posted by razec

On 2007-11-10 06:16:25, Bryan84 wrote:

On 2007-11-10 03:37:17, razec wrote:
There was yet no K850 users here that have dared to post text shots here may you post one guys? and some 100% cropped text shots too?



Text shots? Do you mean Documents shots?

Full Size: http://www.esato.com/phonephotos/viewphotos.php?pid=8115

Exposure Time - 1/60 sec
Aperture - f/280
ISO - 64
Scene - Normal
Flash used - Flash did not fire, auto mode
Image resolution - 5.04 mega pixels (2592 x 1944



Now that's what i'm talking about,your text shots are brillant matey! though it's noisy, it doesn't degrade the sharpness of the edges thanks!

Posted by Pitzon
*Marinedisco: I use "AcdSee Pro2"

I have touched the subject earlier here http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=156144&start=795 and showed some pictures before and after a quick play.

People where upset though and said that we only should post pictures straight from our phones and i can understand that. This thread should show what the K850 does in the phone.

I just wanted to show this and how easy it is just because so many people have complained about the K850s image quality. I just wanted to point out that i have done this for years with all my different digicam pictures and all pictures that i use ( in real life ) i pass through acd and makes some quick adjustments, resize them and so on to my liking. AcdSee is like the simple built in photo-editor inside the K850 but 1000 times better and easier/faster and so on.. Im also thankful that SE doesent have a hard manipulation/processing of the pictures inside the phone, this lets me adjust everything to my own liking.

Just take a look at the bike picture in my link above, Before and after playing a bit with the levels of "shadows/higlights"

Ofcourse i havenīt adjusted the other sample pictures i have posted here on Esato unless told so..

[ This Message was edited by: Pitzon on 2007-11-10 10:22 ]

Posted by sadeghi85
thanks Bryan84 for the info. so jmcomms, there is no need to test, K850 acts like its predecessors.

Posted by AbuBasim

On 2007-11-10 06:16:25, Bryan84 wrote:
Text shots? Do you mean Documents shots?


How about a A4 or Letter sized page full of text?

Posted by goldenface
@AbuBasim

When are you going to post some pictures mate?



Posted by AbuBasim

On 2007-11-10 13:27:51, goldenface wrote:
@AbuBasim

When are you going to post some pictures mate?




I just posted the following in the Post photos taken with your i-mobile 902! thread:


On 2007-11-10 13:28:06, AbuBasim wrote:
Recipe from Indian cook book: (Click on Full size link below photo to read the recipe!)

Full size.

Macro shot:

Full size.

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[ This Message was edited by: AbuBasim on 2007-11-10 12:30 ]


Posted by tai020381
I just "macroed" your macro~~ >.<


http://www.esato.com/phonepho[....]k850i/200711101517E9I9Hw_n.jpg
Full Size
http://www.esato.com/phonephotos/viewfullsize.php?id=8126

http://www.esato.com/phonepho[....]k850i/200711101519EY9Hvy_n.jpg
Full Size
http://www.esato.com/phonephotos/viewfullsize.php?id=8127

http://www.esato.com/phonepho[....]k850i/200711101523HXDofV_n.jpg
Full Size
http://www.esato.com/phonephotos/viewfullsize.php?id=8128


[ This Message was edited by: tai020381 on 2007-11-10 14:28 ]

[ This Message was edited by: tai020381 on 2007-11-10 14:29 ]

Posted by Bryan84

On 2007-11-10 11:02:55, chombos1 wrote:
@bryan84

you didn't get it...

it is saying that the image RESOLUTION is reduced not the image QUALITY...

in fact the stabilizer was put there to increase the image quality by compensating the movements of the hand by reserving a few pixcels from the sides of the photo so when your hand shakes... the picture will move within that reserved area so the sensor will remove that movement and what you get is a steady shot....

that is why when you move your hand in stabilizer mode the picture has a delay to follow your hand movement.

hope it was useful..


Oh! Sorry abt that! So reduce resolution as in size but not in quality!

Posted by plankgatan
perfect shoot

iso.100....EV -0.7...first picture became much better



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[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2007-11-10 20:04 ]

Posted by jazzyc
when i see these pics i am just amazed by them. I have had nothing but bad shots from my camera and just dont know where i am going wrong.

Can someone do an idiots guide cause i dont know where i am going wrong.

If only i could get one decent pic i would be happy!


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