Posted by Cycovision
Apple has warned that anyone attempting to unlock their iPhone to use with an unauthorised mobile network could find their phones irreparably damaged.
The company said that modified mobiles would become "permanently inoperable" once Apple updates were installed.
It follows a flurry of hacks claiming to unlock the phone, which is tied into the US AT&T network and O2 in the UK.
Apple has denied that it is "doing anything proactively to disable iPhones that have been hacked or unlocked".
Full story here.
Has Steve kissed and made up with Bill do we know? He seems to be borrowing his tactics. I wonder how many
Posted by Dogmann
@Cycovision
As mentioned elsewhere the same teams of crackers that had so much success with the iPhone have had very little if any success with the Touch. The general feeling is that this new firmware 1.1 will be similar to the Touch and current hacks will no longer work on the newer firmware. Although many think the Dev's teams will just break it again it seems this is going to be much harder now if at all possible. So if you have a 1.02 firmware that is unlocked or hacked don't update is the general advice as afterward you may not be able to unlock or add apps to your iPhone again.
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Posted by Coxy
I can't see how it can be "permanently inoperable" as all you need to do is restore it and then update, so it will work but just be relocked.
I think a major thing he is talking about is the hardware unlocking.
We will just have to wait and see. There will be many things to test when the new firmware is out. For example update an unlocked iPhone and see what happens, run the unlock software and see what happens etc etc. One major problem is that obviously the Apple dev team can just download the unlock and then find a way to disable it, stop it whatever.
Posted by Miss UK
What happens when Sim Free iPhones come out then what c'mon they haven't thought it thru they can't keep it tied to a few networks without other people wanting it cos they will, eventually it will have to come out sim free apple need to rethink this and so what if people are unlocking them they should be proud people even want one of these anyway
Posted by Cycovision
I've heard about that but personally I'm not convinced. Anyway, that's a different story...
I just hate all this locking to certain networks business, it's like DRM for mobiles and we all know where DRM is quite rightly heading these days. Network locked phones are bad enough as it is without making it so that unlocking the phone may render it useless.
Oh no, sorry, Apple aren't 'proactively' doing that, are they
Posted by DragonEye
@Dogmann
well the hackers might just be keeping on the lowkey.. exploiting the touch isn't as important as exploiting the iphone...
on a second note.(not related to Marc's post.. apple is just playing it safe... if you modded your phone there is a chance that our update will mess it up... standard corporate jargon..
they do it for xboxes, wiies and other devices that have been heavily modded... point is if apple rewrites the BB it'll be relocked... everyone getting excited over nothing...
update application brick phones all the time (not on purpose) .. (SE and nokia lol) and if you read the fine print there's a disclaimer there too...saying they are not responsible yada yada
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Posted by Daedalus85
There is a perfectly good reason for locking phones, why should a network subsidise the price of a phone only for you to then not use it with their network, the only way of them claiming some of that money back.
Why do you think pretty much all UK pay as you go handsets are sold with at least £10 credit minimum top up? it's so your forced to start using it on their network and increase the chances of you not box breaking and going to another operator, therefore loosing them money. All makes perfect sense. Yes, it's irritating, but from their perspective it's perfectly fine.
If a network was to start advertisting "all our handsets are now unlocked! come buy them from us!" their prices would have to rise to cover their costs.
Posted by Cycovision
^^^^^
Maybe I should have explained myself better:
a) Why lock it to only one network per country?
b) Why not sell unlocked and / or unbranded versions like other manufacturers?
It's a rhetorical question by the way, I merely posted a news story and added my opinion. We all know the answers.
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Posted by seunlock-uk
BTW, this will NOT stop me keeping my 1.02 FW iPhone unlocked, just in case anyone worried, you would have to try and update before this became an issue.
Posted by QVGA
Apple is pathetic.
Posted by Daedalus85
@QVGA
Yep, I'll drink to that
And about the unlocking, ok, fair point, I don't think they should force it upon a certain network, but thats Apples choice.
What REALLY pee's me off is that theres an upgrade 'fee' for existing customers to have the iPhone, which has been bumped up to £219 PLUS the £269 for the iPhone itself!
Posted by Dogmann
@Daedalus85
In case it had escaped your notice in the UK and EU it is is illegal to sell a unsubsidised and locked to one Network device forcing the user to have to use only one Network they have to unlock it. I really don't want to repeat myself read the iPhone threads and you will see the answer i now have from both OFCOM confirming this and also 02 now saying they don't know about unlocking yet.
What that's just absurd just go and buy one from an Apple store for £269 although it will come with a new Sim or even get a new contract from 02 and use your free Data to send everyone a E-Mail with your new number. Also i noticed business customers can't convert their contract to an iPhone or use their current number either.
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Posted by Cycovision
Yup, me too!
It's not exactly cheap for a locked phone is it!
@dogmann
Yes, we know but the question is, if Apple are maybe going to have to make it so that the iPhone in the UK can be multi-network but still presumably locked, why select one 'official' provider in the first place? Why not just release it like any other UK phone release?
And why make silly, scaremongering press articles like this one, which is more to the point?
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Posted by Daedalus85
It's not really O2 to blame here, they have a very tight contract with Apple from what I've been told (by the big wigs at O2, their pretty skitty at the moment), and Apple seem insistant they'll 'do as they please', give it time their ship will soon sink on that path...
As for getting it from the Apple shopping, O2 aren't STOPPING existing customer from doing the same thing, just means you'd have a new number and a second contract like you've just stated. There's no 'advantage' in any sense for getting it at the Apple shop, just alot of wasted petrol
Posted by amnesia
what about Voda's special Sharp phones?
They're locked to Voda with no unlock code...
Posted by Superluminova
you can always get an unlock code from vodafone, its just a matter of knowing the right people
Posted by mswallis
On 2007-09-25 18:25:23, Daedalus85 wrote:
@QVGA
Yep, I'll drink to that
And about the unlocking, ok, fair point, I don't think they should force it upon a certain network, but thats Apples choice.
What REALLY pee's me off is that theres an upgrade 'fee' for existing customers to have the iPhone, which has been bumped up to £219 PLUS the £269 for the iPhone itself!
So are you saying o2 are going to allow you to keep your current tariff but you have to pay an extra 219 quid for the pleasure. I would rather do that than pay for the horrendous iPhone specific tariffs, cos lets face it they really are diabolicle!
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Posted by Mr Miyagi
QVGA first of all I don't agree with what you say about Apple. As an Apple Mac user nothing wrong with Apple at all. However as a mac user i for one will not be going for the iphone, due to the fact no mms and 3g. However I am tired of people putting down O2 over this whole Iphone issue. What we all seem to be missing is, that its the Manufacture i.e APPLE who have set the lock code on the iphone, not the network. Its not the network that goes and put the locks onto the handset, its an exclusive deal between Apple and O2 to launch this handset in the UK and its Apple who have dictated to O2 that the handset must be locked to the O2 network and have clearly done that by providing the phone to O2.
Posted by DragonEye
On 2007-09-25 21:29:08, Mr Miyagi wrote:
QVGA first of all I don't agree with what you say about Apple. As an Apple Mac user nothing wrong with Apple at all. However as a mac user i for one will not be going for the iphone, due to the fact no mms and 3g. However I am tired of people putting down O2 over this whole Iphone issue. What we all seem to be missing is, that its the Manufacture i.e APPLE who have set the lock code on the iphone, not the network. Its not the network that goes and put the locks onto the handset, its an exclusive deal between Apple and O2 to launch this handset in the UK and its Apple who have dictated to O2 that the handset must be locked to the O2 network and have clearly done that by providing the phone to O2.
don't you have it the other way around..
o2 has exclusive rights... they want the handset to be locked and exclusive to o2
Posted by Mr Miyagi
the way i see it, is that apple is the one who decided to lock the handset for o2, to its network, due to giving o2 the network in the UK sole supplier of the phone to customers on its network. i may be wrong, but thats the way i see it.
Posted by Dogmann
@DragonEye.
The Dev's teams that broke the iPhone are very keen to brake the Touch as they wish to add the e-mail and other features to the touch which would give it virtually the same functionality but just over WiFi.
What has stopped them is the new encryption and additional software Apple have added that has not allowed them access to the same areas they could before, so far they have not found a work round yet.
This is why people with 1.02 firmware are all being advised not to upgrade to V1.11 as many feel you may not be able to unlock or even do the things you previously could as it will no longer be able to access the base band. Steve Jobs did say it was a game of Cat and Mouse and looks like that with 1,11 the Cat just got the Mouse.
@Amnesia
No idea other than i would imagine they are not bought Sim free but if you want i can give you the number for OFCOM.
@Mr Miyagi
I don't see where anyone is having a go at 02 as there Tariffs do offer unlimited usage within fair usage limits for both Data and WiFi.
What really isn't open to debate is that although you buy this device outright its is locked to 02, even then it requires a special 02 Sim. This quite simply is not legal it is not a subsidised device and it doesn't require a contract till you activate it. Even then you can purchase it outright from an outlet of your choice and get a special PAYG iPhone Sim Card. It well may be that Apple have locked them at 02's request or not. But either 02 or Apple are going to have to unlock them as you can not sell a device such as a phone and then make you connect to one Network only with a device you have bought and own as that is illegal. If i go and buy an iPhone from Apple i expect to use it as a phone but with a Sim of my choice they can't force me to use 02 just because they make more money that way.
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Posted by mswallis
O2 are paying through the teeth to have the iPhone, so it is them who want the phone locking, why pay all that money and allow people to use it on another network. Apple merely gave the phone to the highest bidder, they don't care.
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Posted by darrengf
Time for me to add my little bit lol
This is a difficult one indeed and have been following it very carefully and I know with the people on hear have also been watchin it too.
I speak to the good people at o2 and a regular basis and its a questions that is and has been asked
The law in the UK is indeed different to the one in the states, I know i travel to the states often.
However to unlock a phone by other means in this country is not illegal as per ofcom.
However and this is a big however. It all depends on the Terms and Conditions of what you sign when you purchase the Iphone if o2 or when o2 can give you the unlock code.
You also have to answer another question.
Will the other UK networks want to support the iphone on there network.
You have to look at settings. Will the other network have settings for the phone?
Orange in the uk is the only other network that supports Edge Technology?
I know that this is somethng that o2 and I-phone are still in talks with at the moment (Its called the fine Print).
However I cant see why o2 wouldnt sell you the unlock code if requested.
But they could do it like other uk networks.
If you request the unlock code, I know that some uk networks request you pay the full 18 months line rental first and then let you have the unlock code.
So they know they get there money first, This is not illegal and its called covering there own backs!!
The locking of the phone from what ive heard is not o2's doing This is a request to which apple i beleive has requested. (But dont quote me on this one)
If any of the other networks had got the phone then again the apple phone would be locked to them and obtaining you unlock code from the other networks is a chargeable request. If o2 charge then again thats still being decided.
What they may do, is unlock the phone at the end of 18 months for free? You never know
@mswallis
I think both apple and O2 will do amazingly well out of this. I know from what i heard, Orange uk wouldnt give into apple (not sure if this is speculation) Really not sure why Voda hasnt got it any where in the Europe, very puzzled on this one and there isnt much out there to go on?
I dont think apple are just giving it to the highest bidder. I think they are looking at it of more biggest networks.
o2 is the uk biggest network. (Subscribers)
orange in france
at&t in the usa
t-mobile in Germany
Its clever sense to go with more subscribers than less? Means that half the battle is done for them and knowning what i know selling the i phone on these neworks will now make them more popular than ever.
Good publicity all round.
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Posted by arien617
You guys... it isn't the end of the world. A Voda iPhone is still possible.
From Stuff.tv
And we thought the O2 announcement meant all this speculation was over - now Vodafone's CEO has just gone and bust it wide open again
So, O2 has the iPhone and we can put all that operator speculation behind us, right? Er, no, actually.
Vodafone's CEO, Arun Sarin has been telling reporters in Mumbai that Voda will 'absolutely' get another crack at bagging the iPhone within the next 12 months.
Given that O2 has a two year exclusive on the Apple handset, that comment's put our heads into a does-not-compute spin. Does he mean the Indian iPhone, or does he mean the 3G iPhone we're expecting here next year?
Some comments he made earlier in the week are revealing - he said he was looking forward to a 'faster' mobile from Apple. We suspect O2's lawyers will be scurrying for the magnifying glasses to examine that small print.
Just what exactly has it got the exclusive on?
Stuff.tv article/SOURCE
Posted by DragonEye
@Marc
Yes, i know they've had challenges and progress isn't going that well... but at the same time the mouse has to play smart.. the hackers are keeping their cards close to their chest... apple thinks they have the upper hand but we'll see as soon as 1.1.1 launches
but there's no denying apple has made it harder...
Posted by darrengf
The Deal with O2 isnt 2 years i beleive but 5 year exclusive so not sure about Voda?
@DragonEye
If a Product is made by Human then it can be broke by a Human
It is a true Tom and Jerry Cartoon Scenerio.
So who is who then?
Oh the Exciment continues!
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Posted by Dogmann
@darrengf
But are you now saying that when i go into an Apple store i have to sign an 18 month contract as that contradicts everything i have been told by 02. As i believe i walk into an Apple store pay them their £269.99 and walk out owning my iPhone.
I have been told i can purchase an iPhone from which ever retailer i choose that sells them and then buy an special iPhone PAYG Sim from either the 02 shop for £15 or £9.99 direct from 02 over the phone neither of these require a contract for a set period of time and i own my phone outright from day one.
So all this compensation due to a contract just doesn't apply also this you have to activate via iTunes and 02 is a prohibitive practice we all know an unlocked iPhone will work with any Sim. Why am i being forced to use a Network that Apple choose they are not selling it subsidised other wise it would be more expensive and you would get a credit/discount for connecting.
I am still eager to hear from some one who works at 02 that has more chance of getting the answers many of us are seeking as otherwise we will just have to wait till 9th November to see what happens.
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Posted by darrengf
@Dogmann
I just dont know thats the problem.
The usa you can buy the iphone from apple but I beleive you still have to sign upto a at&t contract ??
Its on Apples on US Website
To use iPhone, you’ll need to sign up for a 2-year service agreement. Plans start at $59.99 and include Visual Voicemail and Unlimited Data — email and web — and 200 SMS text messages (you can add more text messages for a little more a month). You can browse the Internet and send emails as often as you like without being charged extra.
http://store.apple.com/1-800-[....]browse&node=home/iphone/iphone
So you may find that its the same in the uk.
Also who says that it will cost £269 in apple stores with out contract? You may find that it may cost alot more with out the contract. Poss £400+
Again 9th of nov will tell everything.
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Posted by ViLLaN
@darrengf
thats not the case, you can activate iphone on PAYG on AT&T in the US aswell. If you fail the credit check during itunes activation AT&T will send you a special PAYG SIM. And you pay no extra for the handset
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Posted by darrengf
On 2007-09-25 23:35:35, ViLLaN wrote:
@darrengf
thats not the case, you can activate iphone on PAYG on AT&T in the US aswell. If you fail the credit check during itunes activation AT&T will send you a special PAYG SIM. And you pay no extra for the handset
I sit corrected. mmm so is it better to fail the credit check then?
Who knows
Posted by fatreg
On 2007-09-25 23:42:46, darrengf wrote:
so is it better to fail the credit check then?
Well... it's saves you £35 a month for 18 months for a start...
Posted by darrengf
On 2007-09-25 23:51:44, fatreg wrote:
On 2007-09-25 23:42:46, darrengf wrote:
so is it better to fail the credit check then?
Well... it's saves you £35 a month for 18 months for a start...
Oh yes. a big big saving indeed
Posted by ViLLaN
You wouldnt get the mins or texts which isnt much of a hardship, but you also wouldnt get the free wi-fi or unlimited data plan.
Posted by Miss UK
02 "Like a Moth to a flame"
Voda do have lots of Samsung priority phones themselves U700 and that McClaren phone so it's the 1st one in I supose.
Posted by Dogmann
Hi all,
No need to fail anything as announced you can BUY your iPhone from 02, CPW or an Apple store all at the same price of £269.99. Then either go to an 02 shop and buy a PAYG iPhone Sim card for £15 or £9.99 direct it from 02 by phone. No need to fail a credit check just put in your iPhone PAYG Sim and activate it via iTunes. the very fact you can buy an iPhone for the same price even if you are only going to use a PAYG Sim proves the phone sale is not tied to a contract or subsidized.
Well at last until 02 or Apple have to sell you the unlock code when you can then put any Sim in if you want to.
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Posted by mib1800
On 2007-09-26 00:51:39, Dogmann wrote:
Hi all,
Well at last until 02 or Apple have to sell you the unlock code when you can then put any Sim in if you want to.
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-09-25 23:53 ]
I can see one problem here. If u dont activate O2 can always say the phone is not theirs and dont sell you the unlock code. If you activate then you would have to agree to the contract. You may be able to put in PAYG sim in to activate but most likely in the agreement, you are asked to agree to an 18month contract on a certain tariff plan. I believe the contract is binding under the law once you agree to it (no matter how unfair it is to buyers).
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Posted by mswallis
I've never heard of pay as you go having a minimum term contract?!
Posted by Miss UK
I found a email today of 02 about this ugly beast,
http://o2-mail.co.uk/?7L.yN3StclPKyIbq6IZ.tiZr2G7
Posted by Dogmann
@mib1800
Sorry again but the PAYG is not a contract and either 02 or Apple will have to sell the unlock code. Their is no law that says you have to be a customer of a Network to get an unlock code on an unsubsidized phone as it is not legal to sell an unsubsidised phone that is locked to one Network. That quite simply is where the law comes into effect you can not be forced to use a particular Network on a bought paid for and owned device, it is yours to use on which ever Network you choose it is illegal to have it locked to one Network or if it is to refuse to sell you an unlock code.
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Posted by Daedalus85
Ummm, it is subsidised, just not by much realistically.
Posted by Dogmann
@Daedalus85
How can you say it is subsidised if it is the same price on PAYG or Contract name me one other device and especially a premium device where this is so. Also as pointed out at point of sale you own the iPhone outright so how or why do you think it is subsidised?
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Posted by fatreg
On 2007-09-28 14:45:41, Dogmann wrote:
@Daedalus85
How can you say it is subsidised if it is the same price on PAYG or Contract name me one other device and especially a premium device where this is so. Also as pointed out at point of sale you own the iPhone outright so how or why do you think it is subsidised?
Marc
because O2 have realised they have f*cked up big style? and have sent a memo out to store staff?
Posted by mib1800
On 2007-09-26 15:08:18, Dogmann wrote:
@mib1800
Sorry again but the PAYG is not a contract and either 02 or Apple will have to sell the unlock code. Their is no law that says you have to be a customer of a Network to get an unlock code on an unsubsidized phone as it is not legal to sell an unsubsidised phone that is locked to one Network. That quite simply is where the law comes into effect you can not be forced to use a particular Network on a bought paid for and owned device, it is yours to use on which ever Network you choose it is illegal to have it locked to one Network or if it is to refuse to sell you an unlock code.
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I would think O2 or Apple would have thought of this legal implication. There must be deterence. Can it be that even with an unlock code, the iphone is not usable until you activate it. Or maybe you cannot unlock it with the code UNTIL after you activated it. There is no precedence here as no other phone needs to be activated like iphone. So it is a grey area. Does the law equate activation process with network lock?
So what happen during activation? I am sure there will be a contract somewhere within this process. So will the activation process succeed without you taking up a contract? And you may need to activate with a specific sim card like those in the US.
Posted by Daedalus85
On 2007-09-28 14:50:22, fatreg wrote:
On 2007-09-28 14:45:41, Dogmann wrote:
@Daedalus85
How can you say it is subsidised if it is the same price on PAYG or Contract name me one other device and especially a premium device where this is so. Also as pointed out at point of sale you own the iPhone outright so how or why do you think it is subsidised?
Marc
because O2 have realised they have f*cked up big style? and have sent a memo out to store staff?
No, because I chose to say that, not them, my opinions are my own and not that of O2.
I'm GUESSING it's been subsidised ok? Theres no way something like that would be a measly £269 sim free, even the N95 isn't close to that yet (and before you all jump in, I'm talking HIGH STREET sim free, not expansys or ebay....). If you think about it logically, O2 must be paying something towards it.
Anyway, it's just dawned on me, why the hell are we arguing so much across several threads for something thats ultimately a pointless device, I think i'm going to throw in the towel soon and say "fine, whatever, argue amounst yourselves".
Posted by Dogmann
Hi all,
Really simple now people activation process or not neither Apple or 02 can force you to have to use a device you own outright on one Network. If Apple are forcing you activate it only using an 02 Sim that is illegal and a restrictive practice. Obviously they want you to use 02 so as they get their kickback commission but what they want and what is legal are two entirely different things.
As i said from the start they have just copied the US sales and activation model which in the US is perfectly legal, but here and in the EU it isn't. Again if they are prepared to sell you a PAYG Sim how can there be a contract or subside if it is still the same purchase price. I'm sure Apple and 02 think by forcing you to use a special Sim card and activation process they are covered, i and quite a few others all hold a different opinion on this currently including OFCOM.
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Posted by fatreg
On 2007-09-28 18:22:03, Daedalus85 wrote:
why the hell are we arguing so much across several threads for something thats ultimately a pointless device,
Whoa! hold up kiddy...two of the greatest devices in recent history getting rolled into one is a big deal by anyones standard..
first of all the phone, undoubtedly the greatest communication tool man has ever come up with..... without the phone, there would be no internet, sky tv, mobiles, banks letting you get money out all over the world (no atms) life would be not so rosy...
then along came the apple iPod.. not the first Mp3 player but it's the iPod that bought mp3 players to the masses along with a drop dead sexy design, has revolutionised the way we carry and think about music..
so then along comes a phone and an iPod!? that's big news, I know of no other phone with an 8gb micro drive in it... or any other phone that has an iPod on it...
while the iPhone might be what we have to come to expect of phones, it is Apples first attempt (and they are American), people gunned down cds when they were first launched, now look where we are, we've gone through, CD-R, CD-RW, SACD and now we are on DVD, DVD R9, DVD-R, DVD+R, DVD+/- RW and DVD +/- DL.... and just coming into the mass market BluRay and HD-DVD.... without CDs, the next generation would not be as it is, just think of the iPhone like that, small acorns grow into big oak trees......
Posted by Daedalus85
8GB ipod with a crap phone bolted in one hand
8GB M2 card in a P1i in the other
umm, you do the math.
Ok, maybe not the worlds best example, but really, I laugh every time I read the promo material we've been given for the iPhone, I mean what in the name of everything is so 'revolutionary' about it?
Posted by DragonEye
once you play with one you'll understand.. there a lot of things that the interface does that truly makes it a great device to use...i moved over from a p1i which i loved.. but the iphone so has just been more fun...
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Posted by Superluminova
People who haven't tried an iPhone can't possible understand how great a device it is to use. Its so simple and easy to use, yes it has flaws and some are major, how every it more than makes it for these with fantastic software and stunning design.
Plus lets not forget every phone has flaw's and this is apples FIRST phone! How many has sony ericsson and nokia had over the years? Yup hundreds and they still have flaws. Funny that.
So first and foremost, dont knock it till you've tried it.
Posted by haynesycop
Here here! I hope to be getting one soon, can't wait, my life will be complete. It's not for everyone but i can see it doing very well over here.