Posted by Daedalus85
Hi guys
Theres some interesting updates for Pay Monthly, Pay as you Go, and most importantly, data! All start from 1st October.
On Pay Monthly the following changes are going to apply, and hopefully piss Orange off somewhat.
Long Weekends is being replaced with one of the two following deals:
- UNLIMITED O2 to O2 calls
OR (and more importantly)
- UNLIMITED UK TEXTS
As usual, this applies to £35/month+ on 18 month. So you can now have 600 minutes and unlimited texts for £35/month, stick that in your pipe and smoke it Orange
Long Weekends can still be offered, but not as a main deal, only IF requested by the customer.
Pay as you go:
As an alternative for customers wishing to call abroad (we get alot of Indian, Polish and Russian people etc coming in) O2 are now offering the following AS AN ALTERNATIVE to the O2 Online tariff (free texts/calls for £10 a month, the old Genie tariff), Favourite Place or Talkalotmore.
You can get:
-50 international minutes (to any foreign mobile or landline) for £10 a month (as usual, you get to keep the credit).
-100 for £15
-200 for £30 (I think, could be 300 minutes).
DATA:
This is the big one, contrary to what I said in a previous post (possibly due to public opinion, so they changed it).
O2 WILL be offering a deal just like T-Mobile, 3 and Vodafone.
You WILL be able to have £7.50 a month for UNLIMITED data (fair usage policy of 3GB) on both pay monthly AND Pay as you go
BUT, only for mobile data pages, Blackberrys and PDA Phones (any phone that uses the 'Mobile Web' setup rather than 'O2 GPRS' setup) are excluded.
Blackberry is having it's unlimited fair usage policy upped from 75MB to 200MB.
There is a full whack unlimited mobile internet package which is unlimited data for ANY mobile device, including data cards and full internet pages/downloads etc, for £30 a month, again fair usage policy of 3GB applies.
Don't think I've forgotten anything. There will be two other posts relevant to what I found out last night. One about me having played hands on with the N81 8GB, 6500 classic and slide, 7900 Prism and E90 (t'was a Nokia sponsered event lol), and some very juicy news about the NEXT 8800 for next year....
Cheers
Posted by Superluminova
So does that mean for 7.50 I can only browse wap pages?
Posted by goldenface
Unlimited emailing from your phone? Blogging etc?
Great news anyway. T-mobile still beats O2 with its HSDPA network but this will surely give T-Mobile something to think about.
rin :
Posted by Daedalus85
O2 will eventually work on HSDPA, what with them now rolling out Broadband in time for Xmas too.
It's anything you can do on the phones built in browser, just not on Blackberry Devices or devices that use the 'Mobile Web' setting. this mainly applies to the XDA's to be honest, I think it's only the WM smartphones that are affected because they use IE as a full scale internet browser.
But yes, unlimited mobile internet for £7.50 a month, on both pay monthly and pay as you go, finally O2 are in with a chance
Posted by goldenface
The PAYG deals sounds attractive I must say. Web'n'Walk without the contract.
Posted by Daedalus85
Precisely, and O2 Online tariff to boot, I always knew they were best for P&G. Just need to sort the actual tariff costs out now
Posted by masseur
I have web'n'walk without a contract
Posted by goldenface
@masseur
Ah thats right, the £7.50 rolling contract.
O2 seem to have their HSDPA network up and running according to wikipedia:
"O2 UK launched their HSDPA services across the UK in the third quarter of 2006. Initial download speeds are 3.6 Mbit/s (peak), increasing to 7.3 Mbit/s by early 2008, and reaching 10.2 Mbit/s by late 2009. "
Posted by darrengf
On 2007-09-25 14:09:16, goldenface wrote:
@masseur
Ah thats right, the £7.50 rolling contract.
O2 seem to have their HSDPA network up and running according to wikipedia:
"O2 UK launched their HSDPA services across the UK in the third quarter of 2006. Initial download speeds are 3.6 Mbit/s (peak), increasing to 7.3 Mbit/s by early 2008, and reaching 10.2 Mbit/s by late 2009. "
Yep They released it. Now We just got to find it.
Ive was informed that its £7.50 for 250mb and not unlimited. There was a cap on this?
£30 is for 3.5gb of data.
So unless o2 hae changed it at the last min?
Posted by goldenface
Well according to the first post its a 3GB fair usage policy.
Posted by darrengf
Then o2 must have changed it.
As at the begining it was 250mb?
So this one is news to me, So i will have to ask.
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=154864&start=60
[ This Message was edited by: darrengf on 2007-09-25 13:26 ]
Posted by mswallis
I have an unlocked iPhone would the unlimited data work with that if i added it to my contract. I use the normal O2 gprs settings on my iPhone.
Posted by Daedalus85
Should do I guess yeah, but I suspect that a regular O2 sim wont work in an iphone as they can tell what phone you using with what phone at any time, and even if it is unlocked chances are a regular sim wont work with it anyway.
And thats what they said yesterday, someone asked about the fair usage and he stumbled for a bit and said 3GB, so I'm guessing it should be. I think he said they contact the user after about half that to let them know their getting close.
Posted by mswallis
I'm using a regular O2 3G Sim in my unlocked iPhone right now, works 100% fine.
Posted by Daedalus85
lol, fair doos, in which case yeah see no reason why not. Try it and see, it's only a 1 month minimum commitment.
Posted by Miss UK
On 2007-09-25 13:54:01, Daedalus85 wrote:
But yes, unlimited mobile internet for £7.50 a month, on both pay monthly and pay as you go, finally O2 are in with a chance
funny how they fail to mention this when you ask them about changes to prices aren't the staff aware of this change at 02 online?
instead of mentioning anything related to data they have told me I can have my Pac Code now or wait till Dec 17th for it
Posted by Daedalus85
Because we only found this out yesterday, O2 have about 20,000 people working for them and it takes time to tell them all this in detail
Besides, it's being lanched 1st October, not right this second
Posted by darrengf
The training at o2 is currenlty on going as there are a few other changes like the new tarrifs from the 1st oct.
Not all staff have had the training yet. Most of them will have had it however by Thursday and Friday of this week.
So when you ring them they dont want to tell you the wrong information.
Its a safe guard for them.
All mobile phone companies work the same way.
Posted by mswallis
@Daedalus85 and darrengf
I'm assuming both of you work for O2, what is your take on this thread:
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=155487&start=0
Posted by Mr Miyagi
Its 250MB for £7.50 a month with O2, which to me is far than enough MB for me to have and be happy with.
Posted by darrengf
On 2007-09-25 20:40:04, mswallis wrote:
@Daedalus85 and darrengf
I'm assuming both of you work for O2, what is your take on this thread:
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=155487&start=0
Good Evening, I dont work for o2 direct, I am a Computer Engineer but Know just a little bit about o2
This is a difficult one indeed and have been following it very carefully and I know with the peopleon hear have also been watchin it too. I speak to the good people at o2 and a regular basis and its a questions a few have been asking.
The law in the UK is indeed different to the one in the states, I know i travel to the states often.
However to unlock a phone in this country is not illegal as per ofcom.
However and this is a big however. It all depends on the Terms and Conditions of what you sign when you purchase the Iphone.
You also have to answer another question.
Will the other UK networks want to support the iphone on there network.
You have to look at settings. Will the other network have settings for the phone?
Orange in the uk is the only other network that supports Edge Technology?
I know that this is somethng that o2 and I-phone are still in talks with at the moment (Its called the fine Print).
However I cant see why o2 wouldnt sell you the unlock code if requested.
But they could do it like other uk networks.
If you request the unlock code, I know that some uk networks request you pay the full line rental first and then let you have the unlock code.
So they know they get there money first, This is no illegal and its called covering there own backs!!
I have been reading loads and loads of comments on the net from all the forums regarding the cost. Lots of people saying its expensive etc.
Im going to add my own thoughts on this one.
There is a saying that if you want something, you will buy it regardless of cost and the Iphone is one of these must have toys for people.
Me im not bothered about the Iphone. I like a phone for a camera, 3g, removable memory card etc. So me the K850i fits the bill and yes i will buy one regardless of the cost.
I dont think the Iphone is expensive to be honest and at least its only a 18month contract in the uk.
USA is a 24 month contract and the iphone costed more at the launch.
Im not sure if this answers the question you asked. Its a difficult one to answer.
[ This Message was edited by: darrengf on 2007-09-25 21:08 ]
Posted by mswallis
darrengf
Thanks for your reply. Apparently there will be an option for a pay as you go sim for the iPhone. Therefore no line rental to pay if you want an unlock code, surely they couldn't refuse?
Also do you know if there will be an option to upgrade to the iPhone and keep your existing tariff without having to go on the ridiculous iPhone tariffs?
It might sound weird but I don't want to unlock it to use on another network, I want to unlock it so I can put an O2 simplicity sim in it because you simply cannot beat the simplicity tariffs.
[ This Message was edited by: mswallis on 2007-09-25 21:59 ]
Posted by darrengf
On 2007-09-25 22:47:47, mswallis wrote:
darrengf
Thanks for your reply. Apparently there will be an option for a pay as you go sim for the iPhone. Therefore no line rental to pay if you want an unlock code, surely they couldn't refuse?
Also do you know if there will be an option to upgrade to the iPhone and keep your existing tariff without having to go on the ridiculous iPhone tariffs?
You are more than welcome mswallis.
From the grape vine regarding the upgrade system, you have to go onto a iphone tariff. Its not just the uk, the usa have the same system and the other networks will do the same.
1 of the At&T usa tarrifs for normal gsm phones
$59.99 = 900 mins + Unlimited night and weekend mins
I phone
$59.99 = 450 mins + 5000 mins night and weekend mins
Regarding the PAYG System, I cant see why they would. But they may ask you to put for example a £100 credit onto the sim card first before they give it to you.
eg
Virgin and Tescos will unlock there phones for free, but you have to put £30 of credit onto the sim card first.
It covers them so if you dont use the sim card, they have £30 in there bank.
Posted by Miss UK
On 2007-09-25 17:30:15, Daedalus85 wrote:
Because we only found this out yesterday, O2 have about 20,000 people working for them and it takes time to tell them all this in detail
Besides, it's being lanched 1st October, not right this second
Well 02 will be sending out alot of "Electronic Mails" then
bit of a surprise they'd rather give my Pac then tell me about data
I don't get how Vodafone's data works you pay £1 a day for a month or use it whenever you want within that month I believe £1 gets you 15MB
someone rang me from them tonight I didn't understand the guy I think he was calling from India
Posted by darrengf
If you use the Data you wont be charged no more than £1 a day as long as you dont go over 15mb. After that you are charged.
So if you looked at the news on Wednesday and download something you would get charged £1.
So if you then used it Thursday to look at the weather then you get a £1 charge.
If you didnt then look at the phone for the rest of the month thn you dont get charged.
So if you used your mobile every day you will be charged £1 for up to 15mb.
so 31 days = £31
Heres something with Voda tho. You only hit the £1 mark once you have gone over the half mb mark
If you use less than 0.5MB you’ll only be charged for the pages you view. So five pages, for example, would cost you about 25p.
** Info of the voda page it self **
http://online.vodafone.co.uk/[....]abel=template10&pageID=MI_0005
clever i suppose.
I hope this makes sense
Posted by Miss UK
Oh so it's not £1 everyday unless you decide to use it.
say I used it to check emails, ebay oneday then 10days later I used it again i'd only pay £2 on top of my line rental thats how it works
I don't know if i'd use 15MB lol so my data cost prob be less!
it says you can browse the Voda live homepage and links for free is this correct
Posted by darrengf
On 2007-09-26 00:27:31, miss uk wrote:
Oh so it's not £1 everyday unless you decide to use it.
say I used it to check emails, ebay oneday then 10days later I used it again i'd only pay £2 on top of my line rental thats how it works
I don't know if i'd use 15MB lol so my data cost prob be less!
it says you can browse the Voda live homepage and links for free is this correct
Its really confusing Miss UK
Be careful with the email. I beleive thats not part of the allowence, Although this might be not correct.
Voda live pages used to be free. But as far as im aware there not.
O2 do bring there 200mb of data for £7.50 out from 28.09.07
Posted by londonlad123
I find it misleading to call it unlimited data for 200mb, its more like a 200mb data bundle.
Posted by Dogmann
@darrengf
Sorry but you have got a couple of points wrong that i feel i should clarify firstly you say
"However to unlock a phone in this country is not illegal as per ofcom."
This is not correct or the point, the fact is it is illegal to lock an unsubsidised phone and force you to use a certain Network as confirmed to me by OFCOM which is no where close to what you have said.
Secondly unless they suddenly implement a new set of terms and conditions and change the current sales model where you buy your iPhone from one of three retailers outright and you own it i can foresee problems for them ahead.
There is no contract involved and as it has been confirmed to me that you can buy a special iPhone PAYG Sim there is no contract involved there either so there can be no additional contract cost to recoup. No one can force you to use an unsubsidized device on only one Network which is exactly what 02 are trying to do this quite simply is not legal.
Also as we know from the iPhones that have been hacked and unlocked there really is no need to either activate them via iTunes or use a special Sim Card these are both restrictive practices put in place by 02 and Apple to guarantee their incomes and if as currently believed users buy and own their iPhones this practice is illegal.
Sorry if i have repeated the points i have previously made but some of the things being stated in this thread are just not correct IMO.
Marc
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-09-27 20:31 ]
Posted by Mr Miyagi
i dont think it really matters to the average person that there is a 200mb limit on the £7.50 data bolton that O2 are going to be giving. 200MB is more than enough for most people that I know including myself, well for myself i get 75MB free as part as my priceplan and i use the internet quite a lot and it does me just fine on my mobile. For those who are complaining that its not enough, then if they want to go to t mobile or whoever thats der own opinion but i would say that 200MB is enough for the average user IMHO
Posted by darrengf
@Dogmann
I just dont know.
Sorry i should have made it clearer, I was saying that it isnt illegal to take it to shops etc to have the phone unlocked.
But its a waiting game now regarding the iphone i think.
The question is, what is o2 and iphone going to do
This is the latest staetment on the register
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/09/25/iphone_locking/
Apple reminds customers who's boss
Apple has issued a notice that unlocked iPhones could suffer permanent damage when they update the firmware, and reminded customers that such damage is not covered by the warranty.
The process of unlocking an iPhone is complicated, and involves code running at a pretty low level in the OS. Users may feel confident that they can always re-flash their iPhones using iTunes, but even that requires a working kernel (minimal OS) on the phone - damage that and you've got a Jesus doorstop.
Such damage is unlikely. Far more probable is that every time an update is installed users of unlocked iPhones will have to unlock them again, but Apple felt the need to remind people of the risk they take when unlocking the handset or installing third-party applications.
Engineers inside O2, the UK operator deploying the iPhone in November, are under the impression that Apple will be able to re-lock phones to their network when they're updated, but that will depend on the unlock process used and if Apple can be bothered to apply the resources needed to reverse it.
The assumption among many iPhone buyers seems to be that no matter what Apple does, the hackers will make everything work. The faith in techno-anarchism is touching, but may be misplaced if Apple just reverses everything with each update.
One Apple fan has even suggested all this is a good thing as it will drive Apple to create must-have upgrades, to encourage users to install them, making the iPhone an even better product for everyone
[ This Message was edited by: darrengf on 2007-09-27 22:18 ]
Posted by darrengf
its on there Web Now
http://www.o2.co.uk/mobilestariffs/tariffs/consumerdatabolton
Whether you're a regular email user, a sports fanatic, music enthusiast, gaming guru or just want the latest news and entertainment, we'll help you search O2 Active and surf the internet on the move with our Browsing Bolt Ons. Choose the data bolt on to suit your needs, there are 2 to choose from:
O2 Web Bolt On gives you unlimited* browsing through your phone for £7.50 per month
O2 Web Max gives you unlimited* browsing with a data card for £30 per month
To order one of these products call the number on your bill or contact us
To benefit from one of these Bolt Ons, you need to be on an April 2007 or later tariff. If you connected to O2 prior to this date you may need to move tariffs to benefit.
And don’t forget all of our tariffs have an inclusive data allowance for you explore data on your mobile at no additional cost:
High St Tariffs
100KB free on tariffs less than 600 minutes
512KB free on 600 minute and above tariffs
All Online tariffs
1 MB Free on all tariffs
* A fair use of 200MB per month applies to the O2 Web Bolt On. A fair use of 3GB per month applies to O2 Web Max.
Posted by Miss UK
im getting this when I click on that link
Whether you're a regular email user, a sports fanatic, music enthusiast, gaming guru or just want the latest news and entertainment, we'll help you search O2 Active and surf the internet on the move with our Browsing Bolt Ons. Choose the data bolt on to suit your needs, there are 3 to choose from:
Browsing 2MB gives you 2MB of data for £3
Browsing 4MB gives you 4MB of data for £5
Browsing 20MB gives you 20MB of data for £10
To order one of these products call the number on your bill or contact us
And don’t forget all of our tariffs have an inclusive data allowance for you explore data on your mobile at no additional cost:
High St Tariffs
100 KB Free on £35 and below tariffs
512 KB Free on £35 and above tariffs
All Online tariffs
1 MB Free on all tariffs
Posted by Dogmann
Hi all,
The first point i was making is calling 200MB unlimited is well frankly laughable, the second is if you have an Data intensive device and are actually using it as such you may get a nasty surprise when you go over your 200MB limit and suddenly get hit with what a £2per MB charge.
To assume all users with both push E-Mail, live weather updates and a glorious browser are hardly going to use it seems very unrealistic to me. To me it just looks like 02 Apple are out to make as much money as possible and remember you are paying £35 on the lowest Tariff for 200minutes and 200 texts and unlimited Data that is actually only 200MB which makes this a very expensive tariff for what it offers IMO.
Just comapre it to other available tariffs where you would get more minutes more texts and a minimium of 1GB of Data for a lot less.
Who cares at this point what Apple or 02 say re locking your device the fact that once it has been unlocked it can use any Sim proves this iPhone having to use a special Sim and be activated is nothing more than an illegal control practice. If indeed it is proved that you buy your iPhone outright at point of sale both of these practices are illegal as force you to stay with 02. I just can't wait for the iPhone to officially launch to see how this plays out and if 02 or Apple have picked up on the numerous threads and change the sales model or just blunder on believing they are untouchable because they say so.
Marc
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-09-28 13:37 ]
Posted by Daedalus85
The 200MB is firstly, a fair usage policy, therefore you can trickle over it a little, and secondly thats 200MB of MOBILE WEB PAGES not the full blown internet, 200MB for most people is absolutely fine.
Anyway, if you don't like it, fine, just don't go with O2, noones making you.
Posted by SE-Naz
Does anyone know if you are still able to get long weekends if requested???
Cheers
ENJOY
Posted by Miss UK
If I were to phone 02 up now would they be able to add the 250MB as a bolt on for me?
Posted by darrengf
On 2007-09-28 18:41:27, SE-Naz wrote:
Does anyone know if you are still able to get long weekends if requested???
Cheers
ENJOY
Yes you can. you do have to request i tho.
@Miss UK
Yep you can the bolt on from 28th Sept.
If you are on Contract it will run from your next billing date.
Its called Web Bolt on. You will get 200mb of data.
However the Data you currently get with your contract is removed.
So if you are on a online Tarriff you get to loose the 1mb. As the O2 Web is sort of fair usage, so after your 200mb, you get a sms asking you yo calm it down for a while. (I beleive)
Posted by Miss UK
Someone from 02 must of tried ringing me yesterday then to sort this as I cannot think of anyone with a 070 code lol
I might get them to add it onto my account mindyou i'd rather much have a lower line rental atm
Posted by {Samudra}
I've been having a lot of trouble with CPWH O2 now.
I put in a request to cancel my contract and a PAC code on the 17th of September. Haven't received one yet. Every five days once they give me a 3 day deadline.
On 17th it was five days.
The next time it was end of month due to 'backlogs'
Four days ago it was 48 hours.
So today I call them up first thing in the morning the guy says you can't get your PAC code unless I write in instead of phoning! I say I've called up your customer care team three or four times regarding my PAC code and none told me about it!
He apologises and says there aint anything more he can do about it now! He says 'With all due respect you should have written in'. He shifts the blame...
So I hang up and call them up again and say I'm gonna record this conversation because you keep making a complete idiot out of me every time. Permission to record refused.
Finally after a lot of what_on_earth_is_happening talks I've been given a new deadline. Friday 6.00 PM.
I wouldn't mind if it would take them 30 days to send me a PAC code but why on earth do they keep making false promises and suddenly do a U-turn today ??
I know two people who received their PAC codes after putting in their requests to the same CPWH O2 in five working days!
I was not rude to the call centre people but all this leaves a really bad taste in the mouth.
[ This Message was edited by: {Samudra} on 2007-10-03 10:17 ]
Posted by goldenface
^^ That doesn't sound right at all. It sounds like they're fobbing you off. Phone up again and speak to someone else - they'll probably tell you something different, again.
Posted by Miss UK
My mate recieved his Pac in about 48hrs via text and a few days later a letter with it arrived is CPW different to normal 02 ?
Posted by Miss UK
the past 2 months ive not recieved the email from 02 saying there collecting money from my account is everyone else still getting theres?
doesn't bother me but I do check my email regularley and having those emails are better then trying to gain access into your 02 accounts,
after 12midnight it's like the gremlins have taken over there website most nights