Posted by Cycovision
You could always develop and test a DDOS trojan on a Mac running a Windows emulator I suppose
Deploying a DDOS attack is relatively easy. Deploying a DDOS attack that actually works is a different matter altogether. Thanks to the widespread use of decentralised file sharing, finding your target machines is an absolute doddle.
But once they've downloaded and run that naughty exectutable of yours, how do you make it get round Windows security features, all third-party antivirus and antimalware applications, all third-party firewalls, and anything else that the average paranoid PC user might be running?
That's what separates the men from the boys
Posted by shyam335
For gods sake,even digg can be used for DDOS lol
next,p2p networks,there are several exploits there too which enable them to be used as effective tools.
Not to mention those worms,underground sites et all.
Why isnt M-R up till now?
odelsteken,
could you elaborate hat u said on java ?
Posted by Johnex
Haha
. Well since the ddos is basically a port attack, and a legit request according to apache webserver, there is not much you can do, without distributed servers . That is where testing a ddos attack on your server comes in, to prevent sites from totally being knocked out.
See, here we have a splendid example of a pc expert. Knows the things that mac owners dont lol!
. Thanks for pointing that out Cyco
Posted by Cycovision
On 2007-08-19 16:51:17, shyam335 wrote:
For gods sake,even digg can be used for DDOS lol
next,p2p networks,there are several exploits there too which enable them to be used as effective tools.
Not to mention those worms,underground sites et all.
Yeah, but only if you know what you're doing! And if you're on the ball too, you have to be practically sat in front of a screen reading newsgroup and IRC channels 24/7 to keep up with the most newly found vulnerabilities. Well, maybe 24/7 is a bit of an exaggeration but you get my point!
Like I said, it's easy enough to do a ddos but it's another thing entirely to do an effective ddos!
Posted by Jools
18 years does not really mean that you have done anything productive for the computer world, like most people dont do.
Did I claim to have done anything productive for the 'computer world'? You know nothing about what I've done. If you consider DDOS attacks (the subject of this thread) as "something productive for the computer world" then that says more about you than me.
Helping people turn on their macs or formating their hdds is not rocket science.
Again, did I say it was? And I do considerably more than that...
From the fact that you cant compile anything, means that you have not made any programs, or even coded much that is worth something.
You need to read my post properly... I didn't say I couldn't compile anything - I said I couldn't compile for BSD. I've never needed to.
You obviously have no idea about programming for a Mac. BSD (which you said all the DDOS tools can be compiled for) is the sub-system of OS X, which you don't even have to know about when writing most software for Mac OS X.
And yes, Macs are for less gifted computer people, thats how it is. PC's are for gaming, cad and other advanced features. Macs are used for mail, making movies, and some editing, but nothing out of the ordinary.
Gaming? An advanced feature? LOL! You seem to have forgotten about the creative industry, movies, special effects, compositing, animation, music, print, publishing, design...
Lets just say that nothing contributing to humanity is made on a mac, so no go on a space shuttle running mac os....
Viruses and malware are all great PC contributions to humanity aren't they? Does the Space Shuttle run on Windows then? I never knew... I always thought most of NASAs computers ran variations of UNIX (hang on, isn't that the basis of Mac OS X?)
i just have extensive knowledge for testing on my own servers and applications, since it is required to have any kind of successful site that wont come down with such a simple attack.
Oh, so now you have to have 'extensive knowledge' to combat 'simple attacks'? You previously claimed "anyone can do a DOS attack".
Anyway, as usual PC geek boys have turned this thread into a Mac-bashing thread, even though no Apple users actually said anything negative about PCs.
I just made the point that most Apple users wouldn't have the technical know-how to launch a successful DDOS attack (same as most Windows users wouldn't I guess). And just because M-R received an email claiming to be acting on behalf of Apple users, doesn't mean it was.
Clearly a bit of reason is lost on many people...
Posted by odelsteken
@ shyam335
http://www.idg.se/2.1085/1.114664
It's written in swedish but the content is about javaprogrammers today choosing intelbased macs for two reasons.
1. Stability. They claim Windows is not stable enough and Linux/Solaris being to complicated. They say OS X is Unixbased but faster and easy to use. Unix also uses alot of special commands and settings that makes programming more flexible.
2. The ability to run more than one OS on a single computer for testing.
Posted by Super Chimp
I see the main web page is back but still no sign of the forum. Can anyone from MR give me any idea when the forum is likely to be back?
Posted by Brightspark
@ Super Chimp
that must surely be a good sign then. there have been times in the past when the main page and the reviews are available but not the forum due to a technicality with the server.
it may possibly mean that the DDoS attack has stopped.
[ This Message was edited by: Brightspark on 2007-08-19 22:49 ]
Posted by laffen
Sindre Lia from InfoSyncWorld wrote down his thoughts about the mobile-review (MR) attack and I agree about what he wrote. Let me first say that I do not support such activities. After all, we are just talking about a mobile phone review here! In my opinion, MR is playing on both sides. MR is paying off (in one way or another) insiders in Nokia, SE or most likely one if the Telco operator company to get their hands on pre-production units. Why else would someone risk their job to do this? This activity is being done without the acceptance of the manufactures and/or employer. My guess is that the site owner would have been contacted by an attorney if it was located outside of Russia. In the US for example.
I know for a fact that Sony Ericsson don't like the way someone constantly leak these pre-production units to MR. We are not talking about a blurry photo once in a while, but a working sample of the pre-production unit. The reason why no one are handed a pre-unit is of course that it is not finished product and is having faults which will be fixed before the official product launch. If MR wants everyone else to behave by the rules, they should of course act accordingly.
Esato did receive a warning about someone trying to "take Esato" in approximately 50 hours 2 days before MR started to having trouble. The warning did not mention Apple or any other brand fan, but it did give out the people behind the upcoming attack. Luckily they didn’t fulfil anything here.
Infosynworld snip:
After receiving an anonymous message claiming that Apple fans are behind a DDoS attack that has forced Mobile-Review to temporarily shut down their service, Mobile-Review offers $10.000 USD to any individual or group of individuals who can provide documented information on the mastermind of the attack.
Served from a Russian internet web host, Mobile-Review has grown into a large mobile phone community, where insiders in the Russian mobile industry leak classified information and pre-production units of GSM handsets to the Mobile-Review team. As these GSM handsets are typically the same ones that are launched in the rest of the world, needless to say, any mobile manufacturer would have shut down this web site if they had the opportunity.
Ironically, the one handset that Mobile-Review probably didn't dissect before its launch - Apple's iPhone - is now claimed to be the reason why the site is not currently available. In a statement, Eldar Murtazin of Mobile-Review suspects that his negative press about Apple's iPhone, has led to a DDoS attack involving several tens of thousands of compromised computers across the globe.
Pretty much every website on the Internet is once in a while experiencing mild DDoS attacks from script kiddies, but the extent of the attack at Mobile-Review, tells us that the site's Russian origin is more likely to be the reason for the attack, rather than negative press about Apple's iPhone.
Only time will tell what happens to Mobile-Review in the future, but most likely the TBGR-like service will re-appear soon
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Posted by iqtidar
what do they mean by this?
"Russian origin is more likely to be the reason for the attack, rather than negative press about Apple's iPhone. "
Posted by ajeetpv
@iqtidar,
It is US vs Russian cold war!
Posted by SMS
@laffen
I really doubt any civilised company is behind this, becaue that would damage the image of the company if it was discoverd.
and as you say, Esato was threatened, SE-nse was also attacked, so I think it's nothing that had to do with MR handling preproduction units, and as you may already know, sometimes a mobile company intentionally leaks some info (like what happened with the N81 and N82) to investigate the different opinions about it, or to make a big fuss over the announcement.
[ This Message was edited by: SMS on 2007-08-20 05:10 ]
[ This Message was edited by: SMS on 2007-08-20 05:11 ]
Posted by goldenface
@SMS
Yes I agree somewhat but a 'non-intentional' leak by a company can be very damaging which is why staff have to sign confidentiality agreements, as you may already know.
Intentional leaks do appear from time to time but if it is intentional it still is legal as far as the company is concerned and comes under the umbrella of marketing by stealth' and I suppose and is within the remit of company policy.
Companies releasing products to counteract each other is a game of cat & mouse with exact dates calculated to have the maximum effect, publicity wise etc. So it is not out of the question for an OEM to be implicated in the attacks - it must pee them off somewhat so see a planned announcement watered down because of an ill-intentioned leak.
Anyway, I'm glad MR is back I suppose all this will eventually come out in the wash.
Posted by SMS
@Goldenface
just like you, I always thought unintentional leaks damage companies because the info will reach competitors, but not after I read what Eldar (a one who's in the know) said here: (scroll down to see his comment)
http://www.intomobile.com/200[....]-down-his-images.html#comments
from Eldar's half-English words, you can also see how problematic he've been to mobile companies, not because he "leaks", but because he publish leaked photos from the internet in the news section, just like most mobile related sites do including esato.
and imho, an announcement can never be watered down by any leak whatsoever, how much people do you think see or even care to follow rumors? few hundereds scattered around the world, and the rest don't even know about the phone even after it's announced, untill it's available in the market.
[ This Message was edited by: SMS on 2007-08-20 11:28 ]
Posted by shaliron
Great to see MR back in action. But it was offline for a while earlier, but it's back again. Hopefully they've been able to stop the culprits.
Posted by iqtidar
i still cant access the forum...
Posted by Super Chimp
On 2007-08-20 13:18:26, shaliron wrote:
Great to see MR back in action. But it was offline for a while earlier, but it's back again. Hopefully they've been able to stop the culprits.
Well the home page & the reviews have been up since yesterday but their is still no sign of the forum.
Posted by shyam335
Glad to see that M-R up.
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Posted by Dogmann
Hi all,
Well i still can't get it to open getting really annoyed now this has been going on for ages that must of been one seriously large attack and allegedly all over criticism of the iPhone unbelievable really. Just what is this world coming to when criticism leads to this. They don't have to agree and would of been better served debating the points and giving their opinion this just makes them look desperate and IMO pathetic and they really can't be that stupid as to of been able to launch this attack what a waste of brian power and time.
Marc
Posted by batesie
On 2007-08-21 10:15:09, Dogmann wrote:
Hi all,
Well i still can't get it to open getting really annoyed now this has been going on for ages that must of been one seriously large attack and allegedly all over criticism of the iPhone unbelievable really. Just what is this world coming to when criticism leads to this. They don't have to agree and would of been better served debating the points and giving their opinion this just makes them look desperate and IMO pathetic and they really can't be that stupid as to of been able to launch this attack what a waste of brian power and time.
Marc
funny, in the London Lite yesterday, one of the most read free papers in the UK, it was saying how you dont need to wait for the iphone to get a decent music playing phone. i cant remember what the headline was, but i wonder if there website will get DDOS'd???
Posted by Jools
Quote from above:
"Pretty much every website on the Internet is once in a while experiencing mild DDoS attacks from script kiddies, but the extent of the attack at Mobile-Review, tells us that the site's Russian origin is more likely to be the reason for the attack, rather than negative press about Apple's iPhone. "
Well, I'm still waiting for even the tiniest bit of proof that the DDOS was initiated by Apple fans. The iPhone so-called 'negative press' by M-R wasn't so negative anyway IMO.
I thought only "The Sun" readers believed every anonymous claim they read!!
[ This Message was edited by: JoolsG4 on 2007-08-21 11:16 ]
Posted by Super Chimp
Does anyone have any idea when the MR forum will be back?
The site appears too be being updated now, so it's odd the forum is still down.
[ This Message was edited by: Super Chimp on 2007-08-21 22:17 ]
Posted by ajeetpv
i still can't access it. is it every thing ok
Posted by SMS
@ajeetpv
the site have been accessible for three days now, but the forum is still down, maybe they've decided to close the forum? I hope not.
Posted by MWEB
Infinity-GX assures me it will return by or over the weekend
Posted by SMS
and we all know infinity when it comes to giving dates
anyway, at least they still have the forum in mind.... phew!
Posted by iqtidar
if they close the forum, i dunno where the hell am i supposed to get infos on new stuffs... like rumour and all... saw the n95 8gb pic on gizmodo.. mr is always quicker getting infos..
Posted by Super Chimp
On 2007-08-22 16:55:04, mweb6161 wrote:
Infinity-GX assures me it will return by or over the weekend
That's good to hear I assume their must be some particular reason why the forum has been down longer than the rest of the site.
Posted by Brightspark
@Super Chimp
i was wondering the same. it does seem strange. on a scale of 1-3(out of 10), i wonder what the chances are of admin telling us all exactly what has been happening (when the forum is up and running, that is).
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Posted by Super Chimp
On 2007-08-22 21:39:52, Brightspark wrote:
@Super Chimp
i was wondering the same. it does seem strange. on a scale of 1-3(out of 10), i wonder what the chances are of admin telling us all exactly what has been happening after the forum is up and running.
[ This Message was edited by: Brightspark on 2007-08-22 20:41 ]
It is really odd as it doesn't even attempt to load the forum now, you just get a 404 error instead.
Posted by Brightspark
that's what i got too.
Posted by ajeetpv
It's pathetic !
I still can't
Posted by goldenface
Is there not even a message on the main site? Has it been updated at all since before it went down?
Posted by SMS
On 2007-08-23 17:14:07, goldenface wrote:
Is there not even a message on the main site? Has it been updated at all since before it went down?
yes it has, the interview with Plaschke and many news peaces have been added, too strange they mentioned nothing about the forum and this whole problem!
[ This Message was edited by: SMS on 2007-08-23 16:43 ]
Posted by goldenface
Indeed. It might be that Eldar is waiting for everything to get back to normal before he makes a statement about the issue.
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Posted by ajeetpv
actually it's not easy for M-R to come up and/or blame to someone without any solid proof.
Posted by Super Chimp
On 2007-08-23 17:45:44, goldenface wrote:
Indeed. It might be that Eldar is waiting for everything to get back to normal before he makes a statement about the issue.
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[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2007-08-23 16:46 ]
It certainly would be nice to know about the whole issue, including why the forum has been down for so long.
Posted by MWEB
Everything appears to be back to normal now
, many thanks to the staff and members of Esato for your support.
Posted by goldenface
No worries, it was nice having you all. There'll be a lot to catch up on.
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Posted by batesie
do you know who initiated the attack?
Posted by MWEB
At some point in the near future i expect the Russian HQ to make an official announcement regarding that, AFAIK it's very difficult to pinpoint an individual source of these things in order to state and identify the exact culpability.
Posted by iqtidar
good to see the site is back... but there is a problem... when i tried to sign in, this message appears.
"Wrong username or password. You have used up your failed login quota! Please wait 15 minutes before trying again. Don't forget that the password is case sensitive. Forgotten your password? Click here!"
i asked for a new password and i still cant log in using the new password.... the same message appeared... requested for a new password a few times already and the same thing appeared...
i cant log in to the side............ any1 can help?
Posted by MWEB
Your normal password should work OK, if not i shall reset it with a new one over the next couple of days.
Posted by SMS
I'm having that same problem too, mweb6161, please see your PM.
Posted by Super Chimp
On 2007-08-24 18:14:14, mweb6161 wrote:
Your normal password should work OK, if not i shall reset it with a new one over the next couple of days.
Could you sort mine out too as I am getting the same error message I got it to send me a new password, I tried this & it still will not let me in.
Posted by SMS
this way, the forum will loose a lot of members, they're automatically banning our IPs just for a single wrong password entry!
Posted by MWEB
I have alerted Playdead and infinity-GX who are aware of, and are attending to the problem.
Posted by SMS
perhaps this will help: I changed my IP address* using some program and I got the same problem, this MUST be a database issue.
*I'm now russian
[ This Message was edited by: SMS on 2007-08-24 18:20 ]
Posted by SMS
I think it would be very wise to add a notice in the forum to let other members know untill this problem is sorted out.
Posted by MWEB
Yeah i was just doing that