Posted by plankgatan
i notice Nokias N82. just take a look at the design. (the design and several of the functions/buttons is nearly the same as
)
get a life Nokia !
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Posted by Adi23
Hahaha, the majority of the copying being done is on the part of Sony Ericsson copying Nokia.
Posted by Samlala
Show me what SE copied from. Nokia is always in a hurry like a cheap chinese co to copy SE design.
Posted by QVGA
I still cant figure what nokia copied from SE in this phone. One thing they didnt copy though is the specs, which is very evident.
Posted by hgautam
It sure does... From the rear and side view, it very much looks like a combination of T610 and K310...
From the front, the top half also resembles K310 and the keypad very much like K550... LOL LOL LOL
But I have to agree with QVGA that they don't copy SE specs...
Posted by Nanu
TBH if this was an unbranded (no makers logo upon housing) phone and you shown me the front and said
"hey Nanu, what phone is this?"
I'd reply,
"Sony Ericsson!?!"
and I'd be wrong but I would have been honest!
Posted by hgautam
Posted by GUCCI.011
Actualy to me it looks THEIR N73 with quite a bit of facial changes, Plankgatan i thnk you should get a life for starting a topic like this i mean WTF IS YOUR POINT!!? Even if they did copy the design,SE couldnt copy the specs GET OVER IT
Posted by JuanPablo
Nokia is a copycat. Here another example.
SE T610
Nokia 6300
Posted by QVGA
Wow, nokia has a keypad and so does SE, nokia copy cats!!!!! Didnt you know SE has copy rights for having keypads on their phones?? Bad nokia bad!!
Posted by goldenface
On 2007-08-08 08:55:45, QVGA wrote:
I still cant figure what nokia copied from SE in this phone.
Erm, the Dual-Front concept?
On 2007-08-08 09:08:32, Nanu wrote:
TBH if this was an unbranded (no makers logo upon housing) phone and you shown me the front and said
"hey Nanu, what phone is this?"
I'd reply,
"Sony Ericsson!?!"
and I'd be wrong but I would have been honest!
Me too?
Imitation is the finest form of flattery, so they say, so SE should be thanking Nokia and Samsung for the compliment. The dual front concept was pioneered with the T610 and only just now Samsung and Nokia have recognised this and about time too.
Obviously they musn't of taken mobile imaging seriously, because aren't most photographs taken in landscape mode anyway? Why has it taken them so long to realise this?
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Posted by hgautam
Few more examples:
@QVGA
I agree with many of your posts... But now u seem like frustrated... U just can't accept anything negative with regards to Nokia... Why dude why... Just because SE at present are not releasing outperforming phones and Nokia is???
All I m asking u is plz to be neutral....
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Posted by BobaFett
ok, there are some common marks, but on that way, every brand is a copycat on some way... at the end it will turn out, that nokia can only copy fones...
Posted by sapporobaby
Plangat(wahtever) is a serial whiner and complainer. Nothing new comes out of his mouth. Best to put him on ignore.
Posted by GUCCI.011
OMG! Come on now, 6300 and T610!? Yes same colours but thats it, if i remember SE copied their K810 keypad from some other company that makes luxury phones SO WHAT!? Atleast Nokia comes with better specs,new technology, better processors,better screens e.g N80 screen, and the list goes on, you Nokia bashers need to get over it!!
Posted by >500
ok this thread is going no where! just another one for the mods to lock soon. we all know what its going to turn into (it already has done that actually)
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Posted by hgautam
On 2007-08-08 09:50:52, GUCCI.011 wrote:
OMG! Come on now, 6300 and T610!? Yes same colours but thats it, if i remember SE copied their K810 keypad from some other company that makes luxury phones SO WHAT!? Atleast Nokia comes with better specs,new technology, better processors,better screens e.g N80 screen, and the list goes on, you Nokia bashers need to get over it!!
Right!!! We all agree with u on this...
But plz agree with us as well...
We all r right... Right??
This forum is for discussion so why fight... Just discuss...
Posted by sapporobaby
On 2007-08-08 09:52:22, >500 wrote:
ok this thread is going no where!
Agreed.
Masseur, if you are lurking. Please do the honors and kill this thread before it grows.
Posted by goldenface
I think all mobile companies would be silly if they didn't pick up on the good points of each others products.
Nokia famously made a huge mistake when it failed to capitalise on the great clamshell trend a couple of years back and Samsung and Moto were laughing all the way to the bank, so its important for manufacturers to pick up on these things.
The ultra-slim concept? Sony Ericsson was obviously responding to Samsungs slim phones with its W880i.
Samsung has cleaned up on the slider concept. The vast majority of its phones have been sliders for the past couple of years.
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Posted by hgautam
@sapporobaby and >500
U guys are not liking this thread??? It's quite interesting... I mean when I saw the comparison between 6300 and T610 I kept laughing a while...
Why close this thread... Let it go on and lets see more suc examples...
And someone plz open another thread in which, what SE copies from others, is shown...
Its all quite fun guys... Enjoy this thread...
Posted by QVGA
Correct me if I am wrong, but is dual front is like having the back side having enough "stuff" on it so much so that it doesnt look like a back side? If yes, then this particular nokia doesnt look like a dual front. There's a small flash, small camera module and speaker holes, which are present on almost all camera phones.
Posted by >500
@hgautam
not saying i dont like it, nor am i saying nokia copy
or they dont.
its just one of those threads which will turn into the usual fanwar, and people will start abusing each other.
Posted by hgautam
Thats what I am trying to avoid... Its nothing to fight on... I find this thread to be interesting...
These days there are many topics having fanwars... And though I don't post too much, I am trying to avoid fanwars atleast on this topic...
Posted by hgautam
@QVGA
Not exactly like having too much stuff at the back, but its like making the back look different from the front... Phone from the front and camera from the back... That's its...
Posted by goldenface
On 2007-08-08 10:02:08, QVGA wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong, but is dual front is like having the back side having enough "stuff" on it so much so that it doesnt look like a back side? If yes, then this particular nokia doesnt look like a dual front. There's a small flash, small camera module and speaker holes, which are present on almost all camera phones.
Whats the matter with you? You're telling us Nokia hasn't designed the N82 camera side to look like a compact camera? Its even designed with the camera button conveniently placed on the top-side so its easy to press when held in camera-mode. Hmmmmm T610?
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Posted by QVGA
On 2007-08-08 10:06:58, goldenface wrote:
On 2007-08-08 10:02:08, QVGA wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong, but is dual front is like having the back side having enough "stuff" on it so much so that it doesnt look like a back side? If yes, then this particular nokia doesnt look like a dual front. There's a small flash, small camera module and speaker holes, which are present on almost all camera phones.
Whats the matter with you? You're telling Nokia hasn't designed the camera side to look like a compact camera?
No they havnt. It has the most basic stuff on it, flash and camera module. True dual front would be K810, K700 or K750 and this phone has nothing in common with those on the rear side.. But thats just my opinion.
Posted by goldenface
@QVGA
So why is the camera button on the side then?
Posted by sapporobaby
What I find interesting, and what seems to be lost on the forum TROLL (that's you Plangatonasfawetfra gsdwaseragdf whatever), is that a whole new breed of phones are on the way. My loyalty (and money) goes with what works. If SE were to have a winning phone out there now, I would have it. No problem. I make enough money to buy what I want, when I want it, so these loyalty wars are sort of stupid. I just moved up to the E90. I will keep it a few months (maybe, if that long) then move on. If SE brings something good to the table then out comes the credit card, into my pocket goes the phone. All phone companies copy from each other. Some do it well (Nokia - better and better camera's), with some not so well (SE -old technology passed off as new, i.e. 802.11B, no HSDPA). The coming months should bring phones that are pleasing to both sides of the war.
Posted by GUCCI.011
I do agree with the dual front concept thou yes Nokia and other manufacturers did 'copy' it from SE, Nokia N95, N73, N80, 6630 etc do have it,but it looks to me like Nokia are trying to change that with the N93 and N93i camcoder phones
Posted by goldenface
On 2007-08-08 10:14:08, sapporobaby wrote:
All phone companies copy from each other. Some do it well (Nokia - better and better camera's), with some not so well (SE -old technology passed off as new, i.e. 802.11B, no HSDPA). The coming months should bring phones that are pleasing to both sides of the war.
Amen to that! I don't see why people are so ashamed to admit that companies copy from each other. For christ' sake, whats the big deal?
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Posted by Alexandra
Personally, I think that SE cameras are better than Nokia cameras, and you always complain about how SEs don't have HSDPA etc. but I think mobile internet is frivolous! True, Nokias do have much better displays.
Posted by Dextrr
WOW ... Copy cat or not, this N82 has amazing specs!!! The Cybershot series ONLY had the Xenon flash thing going on for them, who's going to buy the K850 when this puppy with S60 + WiFi + GPS + XENON FLASH comes out?! SE might be trouble and Nokia shares might reach 40% ain't it right Mr. plankgatan?!
Posted by goldenface
I think if it wasn't for Samsung we wouldn't have slim phones at all, although I think some are actually too slim.
All companies have brought something good to the table otherwise they wouldn't be successful. People love Samsungs cool no-nonsense designs. Nokia incorporates great technology. SE has reknowed for mobile music and imaging. HTC etc. Its all good.
Posted by Dogmann
Hi all,
This really is one of the most absurd threads ever, just how many mono block or candy bar designs do you think are possible. If a phone has a camera where are the going to put it on the back obviously and of course they will put the camera key in the most accessible and easiest place for the user to get to anything else would just be stupid.
If you want to claim anyone is copying anyone else you need two devices that are virtually identical being similiar really doesn't cut it. Or you might as well say all car manufacturers copy each other as most have four wheels in the same place and the lights also.
Besides who cares about any of this is all i care about is getting a device that fulfills my needs at a price i can accept from any manufacturer that produces it.
Oh yes and one last thing if you really think that Nokia with it's huge R&D resources really needs to copy SE who have under 25% of the market share they have you really are not living on this planet get real.
Marc
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Posted by Mr Miyagi
How have they copied S.E this phone looks similar to the N73 without the joystick. Just because s.e is not bringing out any good designs in der phones, you think S.E have copied Nokia? Yeah right?
p.s notice the thread starter has not commented to any posts since he posted that thread. Why???
On 2007-08-08 08:01:14, plankgatan wrote:
i notice Nokias N82. just take a look at the design. (the design and several of the functions/buttons is nearly the same as
)
get a life Nokia !
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Posted by goldenface
I can't believe you don't agree that companies influence each other. Whats wrong with that for crying out loud?
All companies are pioneers in the own right. Ericsson made huge advances with the T68. The T610 was the first successful dual-front design cameraphone. Its nothing to be ashamed of.
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Posted by QVGA
On 2007-08-08 10:16:45, goldenface wrote:
On 2007-08-08 10:14:08, sapporobaby wrote:
All phone companies copy from each other. Some do it well (Nokia - better and better camera's), with some not so well (SE -old technology passed off as new, i.e. 802.11B, no HSDPA). The coming months should bring phones that are pleasing to both sides of the war.
Amen to that! I don't see why people are so ashamed to admit that companies copy from each other. For christ' sake, whats the big deal?
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The big deal is when people start calling companies copy cats. I think you missed that part, just like on many other occasions.
Posted by goldenface
On 2007-08-08 12:42:17, QVGA wrote:
The big deal is when people start calling companies copy cats.
LMAO
Patent infringement is one thing but recognising a trend and acting on it is whats going on here. There is nothing wrong with that.
I can't believe it chokes you to admit that the N82 is a dual-front design. Its OK you know? No-one will get killed if you admit it. Its a great looking phone.
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Posted by goldenface
On 2007-08-08 11:54:01, Dogmann wrote:
Oh yes and one last thing if you really think that Nokia with it's huge R&D resources really needs to copy SE who have under 25% of the market share they have you really are not living on this planet get real.
Wikipedia Article
Dual front design was pioneered by Sony Ericsson with the T610 and T630. This progressed to the company's other camera phones the K700 and the S700. The S700 was also the first mobile phone with an active lens cover to protect the camera lens when not in use; when opened, it activates the camera. This made the use of cameras in easier due to the horizontal orientation of the phone which offered more stability and ease of use.
Eventually the market caught on and Sharp began producing clamshell phones with dual front designs (Sharp 902). This had not been done before on clamshell phones as it is difficult to find a convenient location to put the camera due to the physical limitations. Nokia, after observing the warming towards mobile phones with dual front designs announced the 6111, 6270, and 6280, all of which had a dual front element to them. They had also previously created a new design which involved the twisting of the top flip in order to create a camcorder like display (6260). Whilst not strictly dual front, it was later elaborated more to form the N90, N92 and N93.
Now dual front phones are common to most Sony Ericsson and Nokia phones with cameras.
Samsung's new UpStage features a new form of dual front design, where one side is the phone side and the other side resembles an MP3 player.
Eventually the market caught on and Sharp began producing clamshell phones with dual front designs (Sharp 902). This had not been done before on clamshell phones as it is difficult to find a convenient location to put the camera due to the physical limitations. Nokia, after observing the warming towards mobile phones with dual front designs announced the 6111, 6270, and 6280, all of which had a dual front element to them. They had also previously created a new design which involved the twisting of the top flip in order to create a camcorder like display (6260). Whilst not strictly dual front, it was later elaborated more to form the N90, N92 and N93.
Now dual front phones are common to most Sony Ericsson and Nokia phones with cameras.
Samsung's new UpStage features a new form of dual front design, where one side is the phone side and the other side resembles an MP3 player.
I rest my case!
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Posted by voda_jon
if this is the case then surely the only 'original' phone concept are the firsts???
the first phone, the first phone with a screen, the first one with a keypad etc etc....
J.
Posted by p900 lover
At the end of the day there are only so many ways you can design a phone, and even less in which you can design a candy bar phone so i think its inevitable that each company will have parts that look the same.
Posted by sapporobaby
On 2007-08-08 14:08:36, p900 lover wrote:
At the end of the day there are only so many ways you can design a phone, and even less in which you can design a candy bar phone so i think its inevitable that each company will have parts that look the same.
Hell,
They buy the same parts from the same guys.
Posted by plankgatan
he he....what a reaction. i like this.
ok......you guys who cant agree that Nokia have made some serious plagiarism here. raise your hand !!!!!
buttons, design, camera buttons, the square chassis design, keypad, etc.........
Nokia have theire kind of design, samsung have their kind of the design, SE have their kind of the design. BUT stick with it also.(dont change, beacuse some brand sell more phones (or whatever)
get a life Nokia !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted by plankgatan
what i specially meant, was N82. come on now, dont you see how completley sonyericsson N82 looks like !!
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Posted by goldenface
I actually like the design. You can tell its heavy influenced by SE. It looks like nothing else in Nokia's range anyway.
Another thing that I noticed is the position of the call and end buttons stangely similiar to the position of the buttons on the W810i and other SE phones; you can just tell this is designed to compete head on with SE - playing them at their own game.
I swear if there is ever going to be a phone that would pull me over to the dark side this would be it.
EDIT: After looking at the black N81, it would seem Nokia has Samsung in its crosshairs too.
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Posted by GUCCI.011
To me it looks like an N73 on a bit of a diet, especialy because of how its shaped
Posted by remirez
I haven't read the all of the thread but it seems rather stupid to compalin about phone manufacturer copying each other.
There is only a finite number of shapes which could fit a phone (ie candybar, clamshell, slider, ...), there is a finite number of materials to be used (plastics, chrome, steel, wood, ...) and a finite number of colors (an "electric banana green" is still green). Therefore, there is only a finite number of distinctive designs you can come up with, specially when you pop out a new handset once per month.
It's like Apple fanboys calling for plagiarism each time a rectangular handset sporting a touchscreen is announced.
Granted, once in a while you see some really striking similarities but don't fall in a crazy paranoia.
That being said, you can continue your plagiarism spotting
Posted by QVGA
SE copied K810 keypad from mobiada(or something like that). What do you have to say about that?
@golden
even if this N series is a dual front, wouldnt all candybar phones with camera be dual front then? where else would you put a camera?
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Posted by sunils120
every manufacturer should have its own identity and individuality and so does NOKIA has.. With the advent of the n82, the company will get mixed response. I am not flattering nokia but thats true! Look into other models. Talking abt looks, each one is a step ahead of other with large displays that
lacks. the only exception being n82..
BUT MOVING ONTO OTHER ARENA, our beloved
is the best. Each model has its own pros and cons and i feel its 200% better than any of the nokias.
Posted by goldenface
Dual front
A cameraphone with one side clearly designed to look like a camera..
A cameraphone with one side that is not - in other words a phone with a camera aperture on the back of it.