Posted by ossiriss
The driver you have done, it's excelent but cananyone tell me what for are all the options for i mean landscape, sport etc...If yes, thanks a lot. Or can you give me a link pls?
Posted by max_wedge
On 2007-09-17 23:30:49, xan K wrote:
I agree with you bjorndan, digital zoom is pointless. I never use in my k790 or my Canon Powershot SD1000. It's optical or nothing at all. I couldn't care less for that zoom video bug the 25fps tweak makes up for it.
pointless fopr still photography, but useful for video. Check my video links if you don't believe it - due to the graininess of 3gp video anyway, the digital zoom pixelation is hardly noticable when you zoom in with digital zoom.
The zoomed video is actually quite watchable, and gives better detail than the non-zoomed version.
Here's some video captures to demonstrate:
Bridge small:
Bridge Large:
Jets small:
jets large:
helicopter small:
helicopter large:
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Posted by hanugro
On 2007-09-17 03:23:14, max_wedge wrote:
actually, it is all digital cameras (all sensors, but especially cmos) that suffers from noise problems. It's inherrant to the nature of digital camera technology. No matter what the camera, you will always get an increase in noise with an increase in ISO. It's EXACTLY the same scenario with film. Higher ISO = more graininess.
However, the better quality the sensor, the less noise you get. Just like the better quality film you use, the less graininess at high iso's. It's not the size per se, though smaller sensors are harder to make at high quality, so CHEAP sensors are always small and crap. However, as technology improves, it becomes possible to make smaller and smaller sensors for the same quality (ie: low noise). So you can have smaller sensors, but if you want the same quality, the sensor will be much more expensive.
Yes and no. Size do matter. My dSLR is creating almost noise free up to ISO800. Even, I can make ISO3200 that I shoot in my 3 year old dSLR looks comparable to K800 shoot at daylight in term of noise. Yes I do use noise ninja to do that but so do K800 (in the firmware implementation).
The higher the ISO the more noise is because the sensor applied more gained to the signal and that create more noise.
The more MP the smaller the pitch in the sensor that responsible for getting the light. The smaller the pitch, the more noise it generate when it tries to 'boost' the signal, especially if you use higher ISO (higher gain). That is for the same size and same technology.
You can improve noise by using bigger sensor size if you want to stay at same mp. If the mp is same then you enlarge the pitch size by using bigger size.
I agree that over time technology will improve and we can see lower noise than the older technology. But bigger pitch in sensor will always get lower noise at any given (same) technology level. It is the same like we all will fall down because of gravity. Yes we can always make better sensor. But if you make 2 sensor size with same MP using the same technology then the bigger always win in term of noise at any given ISO, due to bigger pitch.
See that new Nikon D3, it can shoot at ISO25600 (Yes that number is correct) because it is only 12mp in FF (film) size sensor. The Nikon D300 and Sony A700 with same 12mp but APS-C smaller sensor can only achieve ISO6400.
[ This Message was edited by: hanugro on 2007-09-18 03:55 ]
Posted by max_wedge
I'm not saying that size doesn't matter, I'm just saying it's not fixed. The size is dependent on technology, not on some fixed everlasting ratio of noise to sensor size. People are getting hung up on sensor size. The issue is, on a camera phone the sensor is always going to be small. Sensors are not going to get bigger (much) so new camera phones can only increase in quality by improving the sensor technolgoy for small cheap sensors, not by using larger sensors.
People have said you will never get good iso performance on a small sensor. I disagree implicitly. Each year manufacturing methods get better and better. Soon noise from high iso's will be far less of a problem for camera phones, just as it was once a problem for low end dedicated digital cameras, but now is only a problem in the real ultra cheapies.
People can use the small chip/low quality argument as much as they like, but the fact is only in large professional digital cameras is there the space to make sensors bigger rather than smaller. On consumer digital cameras sensors are getting smaller but giving the same quality and increasing in MP capacity all the time. This is no different for camera phones.
Posted by rockygali
so max... are you using the stock drivers?! or the modded ones...
which modded ones just incase.
Posted by max_wedge
On 2007-09-18 05:36:12, rockygali wrote:
so max... are you using the stock drivers?! or the modded ones...
which modded ones just incase.
stock. No advantages in any of the modded ones. Actually I have mongooses modded 2MP driver for testing, but the 3MP section is stock.
Posted by rockygali
thats what im after...
can i have the modded 2MP from mongoose and where exactly to place them inside the camdriver0.dat?
mucho dineros matey!
Posted by w0ng
On 2007-09-17 02:19:01, mongoose3800 wrote:
Guys, I notice some complaining about extra noise when ISO is at 400. If you want to use a larger ISO setting get used to it, there's nothing you can do - especially in low light. All digicams suffer increased noise as ISO increases, especially camera's with small lens. Read up on ISO if you want to understand why.
Has anyone really been happy with any of the mods they've done? About the only mod that makes any real difference is playing with the sharpness setting. I think increasing the sharpness makes for less natural looking images and is not suitable for everyday shots. Increased sharpness seems best used for macro shots - in which case you can use document mode.
Everyone's got their own personal preferences - that's mine.
I have not noticed any great difference by using 95-100% compression. And, It really doesn't make any sense to me why photo's get smaller in file size as you decrease the amount of compression used. I'm struggling to see what the difference is in the 2mp photos when the buffer size is set to 900kb. All I see is a bigger file.
For now I have reverted back to orig cam driver as I would rather reliability over tweaks that offer very little improvement. Most imprtantly, it seems there is no way address the lack of anti-aliasing in this camera. This comes down to firmware/hardware. But, the more I look around the more I see that other camera phones suffer the same issue - although not quite as badly or frequently as the K800.
Lastly, if you guys what to be a little more adventurous I reckon you could write you own macros to set various sharpness settings. It shouldn't be too hard. In the orig driver all you have is a Normal and Document macro used to set EV and sharpness. So you could get the scenes (property 16 of the drive to use different settings if you like by calling dife
DING!
I'm glad that the modding community is experimenting with different settings within the camera driver. However, the extra sharpness and colour differences don't justify losing the naturalness that the original driver brings. Don't take this to offense. In fact, I urge people to further experiment. However, I still believe that the original driver + Photoshop is the way to go.
Posted by xan K
I think I'll have to go back to stock drivers too. These modded ones are way too sharp. They are good for night photos but day pics, especially with lots of sunlight are terribly over sharpened.
What I really liked is the 25fps video tweak. Are there stock camera drivers with just the 25fps tweak applied. That'd be what I need, actually. thank you...
Posted by rockygali
@Xan K
about the over sharpening in daylight photos can be compensated by adjusting your EV values to negative... have try that?!
Posted by pedrops
However, I still believe that the original driver + Photoshop is the way to go.
Yep. I had put my stock camdriver back till Kop and Number1 new camdrivers...
and I didn't feel any real difference
One thing I don't get.. about the ISO settings... If the camera can adapt ISO speed... what's the point in changing it?
There's a preset speed, and the camera can correct that value a little. so by changing default ISO settings you're forcing the camera to work in a different ISO speed range.. causing some photos get too dark or too bright, like the long distance [not thaaaat long
] night shots that are awfull in some mods, and some oversharppened pics in sunny days...
Resuming it makes the camera unable to handle the light to a correct balance.
Am I right?
BUT
as someone said before, in this thread, modded camdrivers can save the time of phtoshopping...
after a party ie.
So, for people who wants to shot pics and share, modded camdrivers are the thing.
For people who wants the best pictures, stock drivers+noiseware community sw+photshop is the thing.
The best thing is that now we can fast switch camdrivers with "Max shortchut method" =]
without FAR
Posted by rockygali
we can?! we can access ifs folder?
now where is that patch?!
Posted by Vinny67
Can someone please confirm in the stock driver (2.5), that under 'OTHER SEQ'- '// JPEG settings' that 'JPEG_FIRST_QUALITY' and 'JPEG_LAST_QUALITY' are greyed out (ie has // before their #SET_REG)?
//================================================
// OTHER SEQ
//================================================
seq_init= // $d0014
#WAIT_FOR_MUTE_OFF
#CHANGE_MODE(34,01) // Draft mode
#SET_REG(1c,01) // JPEG_CONTINUOUS_NUM = 1
#SET_REG(10,01) // YC_CONTINUOUS_NUM = 1
#SET_REG(32,00) // AF_SCAN_MODE => 0 Normal one focus window
// JPEG settings
#SET_REG(12,13) // JPEG_RETRY_LIMIT = 0x1388 = 5000d milliseconds
#SET_REG(11,88) //
#SET_REG(19,4B) // JPEG_INIT_QUALITY = 0x4B = 75d
//#SET_REG(1A,3C) // JPEG_FIRST_QUALITY = 0x3C = 60
//#SET_REG(1B,3C) // JPEG_LAST_QUALITY = 0x3c = 60
#SET_REG(20,50) // JPEG_BURST_QUALITY = 0x50 = 80d => 700kB images
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Posted by miroalex
can anyone test kop 3.3 and number1 v7.1 driver ?
Posted by savas1212
Can someone try to put longer shutter speeds like in the k750/w800/w810 drivers? It would take better night shots
Posted by juming
EV Value is correcting for overexposure, oversharpening cannot be fixed by EV, that's why I just put sharpening to 0 instead 05 or 06, cause 0 is far enough to make picture more clear, while maintain reasonable amount of sharpening.
And side effect picture taken with this value has more accurate in term color balance with the real things.
On 2007-09-19 05:35:04, rockygali wrote:
@Xan K
about the over sharpening in daylight photos can be compensated by adjusting your EV values to negative... have try that?!
Posted by pedrops
@Rocky
No patch.. you only need to use shortcuts
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=155213&start=0
@Juming
Once I asked if Number1 could use something of your driver, and he said you used default settings.
Than I said, that's why its good!
LOL
BTW
I think people are forgetting about this software that comes with K800
Photoshop Album Starter Edition
Very easy to use... perfect for people who don't know how to use photoshop. It's a starter edition, very simple to use!
Just what people here need...
Posted by norbi_nw
i like a the modded camera. my k810i (and my dads) are extremely bad. My uncle's k800i made far more better pictures, but now they are the same.
Posted by kopritis
Good news from SEUS! works in Windows Vista now!!!
Posted by juming
Yes, I use mostly on standard setting, except for sharpening, ISO when using flash, and video frame rate, I use other than standard
On 2007-09-19 22:05:29, pedrops wrote:
@Juming
Once I asked if Number1 could use something of your driver, and he said you used default settings.
Than I said, that's why its good!
LOL
Posted by salambaba
@kopritis
Hi
can u help us to improve the K550i camdriver .
i think the K800 and K550 camdrivers like togher .
thanks
TOPIC : New Modded Camera Driver for K550i
LINK : http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=155098&start=0
Posted by pedrops
On 2007-09-20 00:43:13, juming wrote:
Yes, I use mostly on standard setting, except for sharpening, ISO when using flash, and video frame rate, I use other than standard
What ISO did you use for flash? Have you changed any colour temperature?
Posted by juming
250, color flash temp will standard, cause if I change it will look like over bright.
On 2007-09-20 21:39:59, pedrops wrote:
What ISO did you use for flash? Have you changed any colour temperature?
Posted by xan K
can someone please mod a stock k790 camdriver with just the 25fps tweak, or tell me how to do it? thank you...
Posted by savas1212
Does anyone know how to put longer shutter speeds like the k750 drivers?
Posted by kopritis
@salambaba
Sorry man i cant make a better mod from that you have at k550 topic!
@ALL of this topic...
Be ready for tests 3.4 with EM (enhance mode) at all modes, sharpenes default but with a different setting in the main command, compressions and buffer sizes to difault, video rec and view finder is set to 15fps from 7.2fps and maybe good colors.
Basically the most parts of 3.4 driver is from stock driver.
Posted by Mike2
EM?
Yay!!
Posted by kopritis
Shit! EM nothing happens!....
Posted by hellvy
On 2007-09-23 12:22:19, kopritis wrote:
Shit! EM nothing happens!....
ha ha ha... oops, sorry. Your post is funny
Glad that you still here and working on this driver. Don't be rush ^O^
Posted by number1
i also tried adding in the EM mode but same here nothing happens i think it is 100% possible but the k800i camdriver requires a different code
Posted by nfenech
This is such a n00b question.
But i can not find out how to put the new cam driver on the phone?
Using XS beta (CDI 52)
I know you have to make a folder in XS to upload, but what is the folder called, and how do you know it's worked (E.g. updates the driver?)
Any help is great, thanks.
Posted by genus
wat is EM??? where can get it?
Posted by genus
i found that the 3.2 driver when using spot metering, it seem doesnt work.
Posted by max_wedge
On 2007-09-23 17:50:07, number1 wrote:
i also tried adding in the EM mode but same here nothing happens i think it is 100% possible but the k800i camdriver requires a different code
it'll be awesome once this code is cracked
I've been getting really good results with your driver, great stuff. It's stable, I've had only one crash in 200 pics or so. The water colour affect is a lot reduced in flash pics.
Posted by kopritis
Kopritis 3.4 without EM
1. this version is near to the default. sharpeness to "FF", compressions to default, video rec at 15fps. view finder at 15fps from 7.2fps.
2. Sharpenes property changed
3. exposure setting changed
4. Test pattern changed
I want if you can guys to make compares with 2.5 original driver and 3.4... because i don't have free time!
Donwload link:
http://www.megafileupload.com/en/file/11957/camdriver0-rar.html
mirror link:
http://rapidshare.com/files/57901872/camdriver0.rar.html
Sample pic:
All functions to auto with Flash xenon
Normal day pic:
[ This Message was edited by: kopritis on 2007-09-24 21:50 ]
Posted by milan91
Thanks for new driver
i will try to compare with other cam drivers, maybe...
number1 2.73(1. pic) and kop 3.4(2. pic
(later i compare with 2.5 original)
Auto, macro, daylight
document, flash
Landscape, daylight, stabilizer
[ This Message was edited by: milan91 on 2007-09-24 15:18 ]
Posted by genus
3.4 seem good. But not so sharp picture.
[ This Message was edited by: genus on 2007-09-24 16:00 ]
Posted by Guto_ViP
Very nice... I will test your new version camdrive
Now, im using a number1 2.73.... i will comparate!
Posted by BobAn
Good.Thanks for sharing.
Posted by kopritis
On 2007-09-24 16:35:02, genus wrote:
3.4 seem good. But not so sharp picture.
[ This Message was edited by: genus on 2007-09-24 16:00 ]
that is because it's near to default stock driver 2.5
Posted by norbi_nw
your 3.3 was the best till now. (with 25fps VR)
Posted by pimp123
I took a few pictures with numbers1's latest driver. Didn't get time to compare to the other drivers but it should give you a good overview of the quality.
WB : Daylight and some extra exposure + macromode I think
WB : Daylight + autofocus + litle bit of enhanced color temprature using Windows Vista Image Editor
A bit less happy about this one (out of focus, I probably moved the camera or the subject is to close for the K800i to handle)
This one was taken using a bright moon as only light source, it sucks big time, any change we can get a longer exposure time? The scene was so beatiful with the moon just above the trees but I can't see anything in the picture. I did use Twilight mode.
Hope we can get an EM mode soon (in the EM mode we can change settings like exposure time and such, right?!)
Posted by genus
y need to change to near to dafault stock driver???
Posted by number1
@ kopritis why did u change
//**************************************************
// Sharpening, property 21 ****
//**************************************************
// 0 => -8 ... 8 => 0 ... 17 => 8
//-------------------------------------------------
seq_set_prop_15 = $s5 %0
$-5 0f
#COM_EVENT(56,$w5);
thats processed digital sharping and it will sometimes gives a f**ked up picture
[ This Message was edited by: number1 on 2007-09-25 10:11 ]
Posted by xan K
So, now the best camdriver mod for our k790/k800's is the one closest to the stock driver? This is ironic.
Posted by opexblue
I think all cam modders here already now.
I've been doing some experiment with force flash option. Every time I use this option, no matter what light condition or what mode I use, I always get exposure 1/250 sec.
In twilight portrait it suppose to be 1/8 sec. But with force flash, IT ALWAYS 1/250 sec. So I've decided not to use this force flash.....
Posted by genus
On 2007-09-25 11:11:06, number1 wrote:
@ kopritis why did u change
//**************************************************
// Sharpening, property 21 ****
//**************************************************
// 0 => -8 ... 8 => 0 ... 17 => 8
//-------------------------------------------------
seq_set_prop_15 = $s5 %0
$-5 0f
#COM_EVENT(56,$w5);
thats processed digital sharping and it will sometimes gives a f**ked up picture
[ This Message was edited by: number1 on 2007-09-25 10:11 ]
How to say like this??? is that there is any bug???
the 3.4 picture just not so clear only..
...so, i juz incease its sharpness to 04...
[ This Message was edited by: genus on 2007-09-25 17:49 ]
Posted by bernardb
The cam drivers from k810 are compatible with k790?
Posted by Mike2
On 2007-09-25 20:10:46, bernardb wrote:
The cam drivers from k810 are compatible with k790?
Posted by tinhlagi
On 2007-09-25 20:10:46, bernardb wrote:
The cam drivers from k810 are compatible with k790?
yes it does!