Posted by KTCY
is the 3.1 driver stable ?
Posted by rockygali
according to mongoose its quite stable.. but then again, its kinda like case to case basis...
like what happened in K750.. other phones has minor differences on the other.
its up for you to try... just keep in mind to back your files up.
the important thing about mongooses' driver is that it tweaks the 2MP shots, so that it may achieve its ultimate function at par with those 3mp shots in terms of ISO, exposure, sharpness etc etc...
they left the 3MP shots where it suppose to be, coz according to the modders, there is not much to tweak with the 3MP shots. because the machine inside K800/810 limits itself to what it is programmed to do. any other alteration may cause the driver faulty and unstable.
stay with the program! ciao!
Posted by deadman4168
Any one didnt answer
What if the ISO value increased over the default 400. what r the possible outcomes
Posted by max_wedge
On 2007-08-31 05:15:05, obi none wrote:
I was wondering if theres been any attempt to make the image stabilizer work in all modes? So u can still use the focusing feature with the stabilzer for instance as I find 9 out of 10 images with the stabilizer one are ironically blurry because there is no focusing ability in this mode.
could some one post some comparison pics to look at?
doin this will void my vodaphone warranty wont it?
yes, but are you planning to tell them?
No service centre is gonna notice a modded driver imho...
Posted by deadman4168
the 3.1 drivers r stable as far as i have tested.but it would be better to do something to the ISO. we need better quality pictures at low light. And is there any way to increase the twilight mode file size coz if a pic is taken in twilight mode the file size decreases compared to the same snap taken in auto mode.
Posted by mongoose3800
On 2007-08-31 06:20:46, KTCY wrote:
is the 3.1 driver stable ?
Yes it's stable. The changes only impact 2mp images and The changes are within the limits of the phone. Provided you know how to use Far or XS++ there's no risk. If you don't like it copy back the original driver which can be found anywhere now.
Posted by KTCY
Thanks mongoose3800
Do you mind to share K800i original camera driver ?
Thanks in advance.
Posted by mongoose3800
I just did a quick scan and I think you'll find a copy of the original on Page 3.
Posted by mongoose3800
I give up. Whilst I've made small improvements in minimising the jaggies I still can't get rid of them. I've put so much time into testing this, playing with drivers and so on. I reckon I must have taken several hundred sample shots. I've easily changed the camera driver on phone back and forth 50 or more times. Then I went out this afternoon and took a shot of an office block. In both 3mp and 2mp mode the jaggies were everywhere. The one thing the W800 never suffered from was this. The K800 camera is the pits!!! I just can't be bothered anymore as it is a hopeless case. I hope someone else has some luck but I think the actual problem is buried in the F/W. Have a look at the crop below - it totally destroys the whole picture!
Posted by chadiwrx
I have problem with 3.1 driver & best pic. With the 3.1 driver installed & trying to use best pic the phone ends up lagging very bad. Anyone else face this problem?
Posted by Vinny67
On 2007-08-31 02:13:17, mongoose3800 wrote:
On 2007-08-31 00:31:59, juming wrote:
On 2007-08-30 14:56:32, mongoose3800 wrote:
What max file size do you have for 2mp? What buffer size have you set for 2mp. If you go above 900kb it will crash. I've been running 900kb with 2mp for 2 days now without a single reset and I have taken lots of shots. I've been playing around with compression ranging from 90% to 100% and have not had one single problem.
Actually I'm using that setting on 3 MP low compression. Buffer set to 1 MB, and today just get it reset again even with 95%, seems I should de-tune it again to 92% (on K750 92% is max for all around taking picture without reset)..
As I said anything over 900kb seems to cause issues. It seems the 3mp settings are already at the max capabilities of the phone. This is why I changed my focus to the 2mp settings as I could take them upto what appears to be the phones limit. I have done so much testing now it has driven me mad. But, I am now happy with what I have done to the 2mp settings. I believe the 2mp images are now better than the 3mp images as they don't suffer the jaggies as much. But, as they are 2mp images there is a very small loss in detail that can only be noticed if you zoom right in - This can't be helped and beats zig zags everywhere. In most cases the images rival the w800 images. However, in taking photos of a Coke can yesterday I got better pictures out of a W810.
Replacing FF with 00 in the Sharpness reset seems to be the best option as it forces the sharpness to it's lowest setting. It is just a shame that the sharpness can't be lowered more as I think the images are far to sharp even on the lowest setting. If you play in photoshop you can actually easily up the jaggies by softening the area a little. Pitty the phone can't do this.
I have put together a driver for others to try. I have changed the version to 3.1 so that it can be easily identified. Here's a link to download it:
http://rapidshare.com/files/52361150/camdriver0.dat.html
This Driver has 2mp buffer set to 900kb, Max, target and min files settings from 3mp settings applied to the 2mp settings. 2mp compression set at 100. Sharpness set to 00 instead of FF. There are no changes to 3mp settings.
// Normal (non-document) mode settings
NORM_MODE = #COM_EVENT(55,00) // Reset contrast
#COM_EVENT(56,00) // Reset sharpness
Is this how I would reset the sharpness to it's lowest setting?
[ This Message was edited by: Vinny67 on 2007-08-31 09:37 ]
Posted by lpachuong
I dont know this is useful for you or not, but have a look:
About the buffer size and compression, if you want to make it stable then use this method to caculate them:
- Think about a value for buffersize (~ max size)
- Use Microsoft Calculator and put that value into Hex
- Convert it to Dec
- Divided by 1024 (not 1000)
-Convert it into Hex
- Use that value+ ~5-10kb for the max size of the pictures
It is fine on my k750i CID49 with even 95% compression without crash so far.
Posted by norbi_nw
Why the hell did SE create such a bad phone??? There is too much software sharpening and other bullshit. K750i had no software sharpening. K800i cuts off the details. My pictures have no noise, but they look like paintings. K750i had noise and was sharp. I'm going insane... At least we have kopritis 2.8 that has a clear 3mp shot, and mongoose 2mp mod. Put these 2 together, and add a 30FPS video, and it will be good for a time. Hope another chengrong mods the k800i camdriver for good.
Posted by max_wedge
On 2007-08-31 08:47:22, mongoose3800 wrote:
I give up. Whilst I've made small improvements in minimising the jaggies I still can't get rid of them. I've put so much time into testing this, playing with drivers and so on. I reckon I must have taken several hundred sample shots. I've easily changed the camera driver on phone back and forth 50 or more times. Then I went out this afternoon and took a shot of an office block. In both 3mp and 2mp mode the jaggies were everywhere. The one thing the W800 never suffered from was this. The K800 camera is the pits!!! I just can't be bothered anymore as it is a hopeless case. I hope someone else has some luck but I think the actual problem is buried in the F/W. Have a look at the crop below - it totally destroys the whole picture!
That's screwy. You sure that pic isn't a digital zoom or enlarged? If that's one to one, then I urge you to demand a new phone mongoose. I can't find a single picture in all my 800 or so that exhibits anything like that sort of aliasing. Seriously I'm hard pressed to even find something 10% as bad as that.
this is the worse example I can find (in outdoor pics):
cropped (1:1)
Full image resized by esato:
btw, it's a crap photo, but just an example.
The only other example where I get really bad alising is when photos are way over exposed:
Posted by KTCY
I think K810i default driver did pretty good job.
Can K800i phone use K810i driver ?
If can , can anyone share that file with me ?
Thank.
Posted by lpachuong
On 2007-08-31 11:45:03, norbi_nw wrote:
Why the hell did SE create such a bad phone??? There is too much software sharpening and other bullshit. K750i had no software sharpening. K800i cuts off the details. My pictures have no noise, but they look like paintings. K750i had noise and was sharp. I'm going insane... At least we have kopritis 2.8 that has a clear 3mp shot, and mongoose 2mp mod. Put these 2 together, and add a 30FPS video, and it will be good for a time. Hope another chengrong mods the k800i camdriver for good.
Who told you that k750i has noise? Check it out wit this 1: http://www.mediafire.com/?5hsvzqahdmb
Posted by mongoose3800
On 2007-08-31 12:22:55, KTCY wrote:
I think K810i default driver did pretty good job.
Can K800i phone use K810i driver ?
If can , can anyone share that file with me ?
Thank.
k810 driver is identical to K800
Posted by mongoose3800
On 2007-08-31 11:51:44, max_wedge wrote:
That's screwy. You sure that pic isn't a digital zoom or enlarged? If that's one to one, then I urge you to demand a new phone mongoose. I can't find a single picture in all my 800 or so that exhibits anything like that sort of aliasing. Seriously I'm hard pressed to even find something 10% as bad as that.
I still don't think SE will see it as a fault and my phone is no different to anyone elses. See below, I can get good images as well:
Max, I'll pm you with my email address. Can you send me a copy of the worst jagged photo you have? I'd like to know if perhaps I'm being too picky and expecting to zoom in more than I should.
I have posted the full version of the image I cropped earlier here:
http://www.esato.com/phonephotos/viewphotos.php?pid=6847
Can you save it and tell me how bad you think it is. This is the worst example I have gotten. The jaggies are visible when viewed at full size and become worse as you zoom in a little. Am I just expecting to zoom in too much?
Posted by kopritis
30fps video recording create errors. when you rec a video at 30fps and you make a zoom the phone freezing... if you put the video to see from a PC the video have vertical lines... if you make a video call and use the 3mp camera for video call then it's like "2 fast 2 furious" it's really fast but destroy the video call...
So, why you guys you want 30fps video???
Posted by kopritis
where is jaggied lines on cobweb??? Still don't get it about the jaggied lines...
I have a 19" TFT wide screen monitor and i don't see jaggied line...
Full size picture download:
http://www.megafileupload.com/en/file/8153/DSC01180-JPG.html
[ This Message was edited by: kopritis on 2007-08-31 12:41 ]
Posted by Vinny67
kopritis - what driver did you use for that photo?
I downloaded the full size image and cannot see any evidence of sharpening, which is something I found your previous drivers to have too much of IMO.
Really nice photo - looks really natural.
Posted by kopritis
On 2007-08-31 13:48:38, Vinny67 wrote:
kopritis - what driver did you use for that photo?
I downloaded the full size image and cannot see any evidence of sharpening, which is something I found your previous drivers to have too much of IMO.
Really nice photo - looks really natural.
I'm using 2.9 my mod...which i will post to the forum but not right now! i want to make more samples
Posted by Vinny67
Fantastic - can you give us an idea of what's changed?
Was I right - have you reduced the sharpness?
Posted by kopritis
On 2007-08-31 14:00:49, Vinny67 wrote:
Fantastic - can you give us an idea of what's changed?
Was I right - have you reduced the sharpness?
yea i put it back the sharpeness to FF and i "play" with other settings...
Posted by mongoose3800
On 2007-08-31 13:36:51, kopritis wrote:
where is jaggied lines on cobweb??? Still don't get it about the jaggied lines...
I have a 19" TFT wide screen monitor and i don't see jaggied line...
Full size picture download:
http://www.megafileupload.com/en/file/8153/DSC01180-JPG.html
[ This Message was edited by: kopritis on 2007-08-31 12:41 ]
There aren't any and, i've zoomed right in on the full size image. But then again there are no strong constrasting lines. I'm pretty sure i'd get the same or similar result on my camera. Did you look at the full version of sample I posted? What are your comments on it? Perhaps you could try and take similar photo and see what result you get. I'd love to find out that my camera is faulty but I doubt it is. I've also found white cars to be the most prone to getting the jaggies.
Interesting that you point out you have a 19" LCD monitor. That's what I have at work and it shows up faults much more than my 19" CRT monitor at home. I prefer CRT monitors for looking at pictures as the images come up smoother on a CRT.
Posted by kopritis
from my mod 2.9 samples
Full size pic's download:
http://www.megafileupload.com/en/file/8154/100MSDCF-rar.html
Posted by kopritis
On 2007-08-31 14:10:01, mongoose3800 wrote:
There aren't any and, i've zoomed right in on the full size image. But then again there are no strong constrasting lines. I'm pretty sure i'd get the same or similar result on my camera. Did you look at the full version of sample I posted? What are your comments on it? Perhaps you could try and take similar photo and see what result you get. I'd love to find out that my camera is faulty but I doubt it is. I've also found white cars to be the most prone to getting the jaggies.
Interesting that you point out you have a 19" LCD monitor. That's what I have at work and it shows up faults much more than my 19" CRT monitor at home. I prefer CRT monitors for looking at pictures as the images come up smoother on a CRT.
I think it's problem by the software and not from cmos sensor. And the camdriver 2.5 it's a crap from that of k750... I'm not so strong modder to rebuild the driver from start...
[ This Message was edited by: kopritis on 2007-08-31 13:31 ]
Posted by norbi_nw
what about 20, or 25FPS? stil buggy? And i had k750i for one and a half year. It was noisy and sharp (night shots, or in low light conditions). My k810i is worse than a k800, but now, its ok with kopritis 2.8 the only thing that i hate, is the bad WB!! is there any way to fix that?
Posted by kopritis
On 2007-08-31 15:17:56, norbi_nw wrote:
what about 20, or 25FPS? stil buggy? And i had k750i for one and a half year. It was noisy and sharp (night shots, or in low light conditions). My k810i is worse than a k800, but now, its ok with kopritis 2.8 the only thing that i hate, is the bad WB!! is there any way to fix that?
yea i thing so... i'm gonna check it! But have you try to put the EV -0.7 or EV -1.0 ?????
Posted by max_wedge
@mongoose, if that's a close up that you posted first, then it makes more sense. Looking at the 1:1 example it's similiar to a couple of really bad ones I have, and I'll admit that I have noticed it but it doesn't occur frequently enough in my experience to class it as a major irritant (a ittle one, yes). Your building example is particularly bad, however now I realise it's zoomed in I'm not quite so shocked. I don't judge my pictures zoomed in (I zoom in to investigate artifacts, but always assess quality at 1:1. Just seems fair to me that way). Still, it is a disappointing picture, I don't question it.
I put this jagged edge thing in the same league as the white lines in K750 photos. I guess I have, maybe optimistically, felt I or someone here will work out a method to avoid the conditions that set off the worst of the flaw, just as you can do with K750.
tbh, even now I still occasionally take photos with the K750 that are spoiled by white lines that you can't see on the lcd when you are taking the picture. It's frustrating, but that ultimately is the art of photography - no camera is perfect and the most expensive 38MP DSLR is still gonna disappoint at times. It's been the bane of photographers ever since the first dude pointed a black box at someone and said "cheese".
It does prove one thing, a camera phine is still not equavalent to retail digicams, not even in cmos quality, let alone MP. But, camera phones are more fun and portable.
However, I am hopeful still about the jaggies. Once we get control over shutter speed, iso, and try and minimise the post processing being done by the driver (sharpness etc) we might be able to reduce the aliasing.
Posted by Znakomity
Hi, im new here.
Im reading this topic since it has started.
My modding experiences -> Every thing is in Polish here (especially page 4): http://www.centrumse.pl/forum/index.php?s=7bb62ea2358c5736b6820996eb9eb47c&showtopic=21294
What is done by me, is here:
This is modded hybrid 2.7, changes are:
-Pictures in high quality are 100% free of compresion
-Pictures in normal quality are being compresed as in oryginal driver
-The problem is - best picture mode is lagging
-Video is set to 30 fps
-bufor for 3 mpix is 2 mb, for other modes 900 kb
-Color temperature of pictures with flash is increased to 7500k
The achievment is total 0% of compresion with formats VGA and 1Mpix (see pictures below). Im not able to make pictures 2 Mpix and 3Mpix larger than 900kb. Setting minnimum size in camdriver larger than 900kb makes camera restaring.
See foto below (compresion is set off) of the same picture in variable modes.
How can be the foto in 1Mpix nearly the same size as 3Mpix ?
fotos are attached. Pictures in vga and 1mpix mode are perfectly no-compressed.
http://img76.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00620ki7.jpg
http://img106.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00619au9.jpg
http://img76.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00618bo8.jpg
http://img106.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00617gu2.jpg
other 1 mpix
http://img106.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00659ga6.jpg
Camdriver
http://rapidshare.com/files/52512366/camdriver0.dat.html
[ This Message was edited by: Znakomity on 2007-08-31 19:37 ]
Posted by masada71
where do i put these drivers??through cable or bluetooth??please help me!!!!i really need those drivers!!!when i install them they go to various folder..is it correct??
[ This Message was edited by: masada71 on 2007-08-31 19:40 ]
Posted by amarsidhu
On 2007-08-31 20:34:13, masada71 wrote:
where do i put these drivers??through cable or bluetooth??please help me!!!!i really need those drivers!!!
please use search option frnd.
@all: please somone post 2.6 driver here.
thanks
Posted by masada71
On 2007-08-31 20:40:40, amarsidhu wrote:
On 2007-08-31 20:34:13, masada71 wrote:
where do i put these drivers??through cable or bluetooth??please help me!!!!i really need those drivers!!!
please use search option frnd.
@all: please somone post 2.6 driver here.
thanks
Posted by norbi_nw
SEARCH THE FORUM! i'm gonna give you a tip, the rest is your job to find it out.
-get FAR + the new SEFP. Put camdriver0 in FS/ifs/settings/camera.
P.S. YOU WILL LOOSE THE WARRANTY
P.P.S. REMEMBER TO MAKE A BACKUP (you cant back up with FAR now, but there are a lot of backups on the site)
good luck
Posted by vegetaleb
2.9 seems very promising,comon dude summer is almost done and we have only few days of spy pics in the beach
Posted by rockygali
lemme share something about the jaggies
as a graphic designer, images shows jaggedness on some linings within them when you try to stretch them from their original dimension.
isnt this what i think the camdriver is doing?!
so its like, taking a pic from alot lesser 3MP dimension, and in the pre processing stage, the driver stretches the image to meet 3mp standard size.
causing jaggedness in the image.
meaning the phone itself cannot take raw, legit 2MP/3MP shots but tries to complement it by stretching them on the pre processing stage.
some dedicated 2MP and 3MP digicams do not show jaggedness...
what do you guys think?!
Posted by max_wedge
no this is not the case, since often the K800 can take perfect pictures without any sign of jagginess.
The jagginess is definitely an affect brought on by certain conditions, not a wholesale inability of the camera to take jaggy free pics.
Posted by rockygali
oh ok... i got it...
thought it was visible all the tym..
Posted by KTCY
On 2007-08-31 20:13:08, Znakomity wrote:
Hi, im new here.
Im reading this topic since it has started.
My modding experiences -> Every thing is in Polish here (especially page 4): http://www.centrumse.pl/forum/index.php?s=7bb62ea2358c5736b6820996eb9eb47c&showtopic=21294
What is done by me, is here:
This is modded hybrid 2.7, changes are:
-Pictures in high quality are 100% free of compresion
-Pictures in normal quality are being compresed as in oryginal driver
-The problem is - best picture mode is lagging
-Video is set to 30 fps
-bufor for 3 mpix is 2 mb, for other modes 900 kb
-Color temperature of pictures with flash is increased to 7500k
The achievment is total 0% of compresion with formats VGA and 1Mpix (see pictures below). Im not able to make pictures 2 Mpix and 3Mpix larger than 900kb. Setting minnimum size in camdriver larger than 900kb makes camera restaring.
See foto below (compresion is set off) of the same picture in variable modes.
How can be the foto in 1Mpix nearly the same size as 3Mpix ?
fotos are attached. Pictures in vga and 1mpix mode are perfectly no-compressed.
http://img76.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00620ki7.jpg
http://img106.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00619au9.jpg
http://img76.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00618bo8.jpg
http://img106.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00617gu2.jpg
other 1 mpix
http://img106.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00659ga6.jpg
Camdriver
http://rapidshare.com/files/52512366/camdriver0.dat.html
[ This Message was edited by: Znakomity on 2007-08-31 19:37 ]
the photo looks promising.
but then izzit stable ?
Posted by fraseyboy
Cant wait for your driver, Kopritis!!
I used yours before my K750i got stolen. Really good!
Posted by amarsidhu
@kopritis: when is 2.9 coming?????
Posted by sowbran
i try the Hibryt camdriver and in the night take good shots without noise check it
[ This Message was edited by: sowbran on 2007-09-01 07:21 ]
Posted by norbi_nw
Thats because it has a noisefilter. Actually it has a very bad noise filter, because it removes the noise, sametime makes the picture unclear (look closer, its like a drawing) Dont rush kopritis with his new 2.9! let him optimize it. use the 2.8 untill then.
Posted by [c3]
Just got back home, Wohow, i can finally flash my phone on my windows PC, can someone tell me what is the best mod so far?
Edit: and can you also upload it? bacause I cant download anything from rapid share.
thanx
[ This Message was edited by: [c3] on 2007-09-01 11:34 ]
Posted by kopritis
2.9 is not have very big differenses from 2.8. i've change only some settings...
other sample....
daylight
Night shot
the phosphtic tape wuz destroy my photo but anyway....
original size download:
http://www.megafileupload.com/en/file/8306/samples-rar.html
Posted by hullabaloo
Hi, i've dowloaded this awesome camera driver for K800i, put it into my phone with Far Manager but i don't know how to use it.
Could anybody tell me how to access the options of this new driver ?
It's the first time I mod my phone, so i'm quite a newbie at it....
Thanks a lot !
Posted by TheNerd
options? I dont think there are any,just point and shoot.
Posted by dEaD-nErVe
Okay m8s Here is my B4& After Shots With kopritis Carnera Drivers 2.7, And 2.8
But 1st The Orignal Shot
Modded 2.7 Driver
Modded 2.8 Driver
original size download:
http://www.4shared.com/file/23332009/30d6e7c4/B4After.html
think 2.7 stands out more.... Wat do yall think ???
[ This Message was edited by: dEaD-nErVe on 2007-09-01 14:22 ]
Posted by [c3]
2.7 is the best one out of them in my opinion. can you please send me the driver? I've just updated to 2.8, donnow if it includes 30fps video and the 2mp patch or not. but the pictures sure look better than the stock driver.
it would be great if you could provide me with a link to where to download this awesome driver other than rapid share?
thanks
Edit:
Here is a picture of this forum taken in low light with 2.8 driver 2mp
2 mp using 2.8 driver
3 mp using 2.8 driver
i honestly think that the 2mp is much clearer than the 3mp. thats my opinion.
[ This Message was edited by: [c3] on 2007-09-01 15:06 ]