Posted by Amras
BACK button will be no longer there! Starting with Z750i and the next Cybershot phones.
What a crap!
Posted by bodum
where did you get this info from? don't think that would be true, although certain operator branded models replace the back keys with a call hang up button, like o2. so don't think so, mate. think that the phone in the picture might be an operator branded one?
Posted by Charge
No. The pictures on the SE website have the same 'new' key format. As do the leaked pictures of the k850i.
The center and left keys are now select and 'more' respectively while the right soft key usually becomes 'back'.
In fact, if the leaked pics of the k850i anre anything to go by, the k850i doesn't even have a center tap key... it has 3 softkeys.
Posted by arien617
I don't see any point in removing the back button... why?
Posted by michka
On 2007-04-06 23:15:20, arien617 wrote:
I don't see any point in removing the back button... why?
Because the new UI is so well thought that you don't need to go back?
Posted by max_wedge
crap, if they play with the interface I'm gonna be real pissed. It's one of the main reasons I prefer SE. If they start trying to copy Nokia interface I'll really hurl.
Posted by tranced
Im using opera mini throu my k750 so i cant see the pics well. Could the back key be placed by the sides?
Posted by marktang
no back button that sucks. i loved the back button lol
Posted by SE4NICK
I agree with max_wedge
BRING BACK THE BACK
Posted by keight00i
please let this be a just a nightmare!!! the BACK button is by far the MOST useful feature of all current SE phones... even the SE smartphones have it... why remove it this time?!?!?! what are they thinking!!!
Posted by aatuif
What does this back button do, that it can't do as a right softkey...
Posted by victorh017
On 2007-04-06 23:15:20, arien617 wrote:
I don't see any point in removing the back button... why?
Mmmm... well, maybe they decided to pay attention to what some moron in gsmarena said in his preview of the K810: "The user interface in K810 is a standard non-smartphone Sony Ericsson user interface. Honestly we've slowly becoming fed up with the user interface - it's been around for 2 years now that they haven't changed it a bit."
And I'd like to ask him: Why is that? Do othe manufactures change it everytime they release a new phone???? ... Of course not!!
So I hope
doesn't do anything radical based on that kind of comments. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" and the way it is now, it's just great.
Posted by tranced
On 2007-04-07 04:04:00, aatuif wrote:
What does this back button do, that it can't do as a right softkey...
Posted by deluded
Hmm... But a potential problem with having a C key as the Back button as well as the Cancel key is that you might not know if pressing it is gonna go back or delete something. At least that's what I encountered when I was using Moto.
Posted by SE4NICK
Perhaps if we all email SE with the message
BRING BACK THE BACK
then they will notice us, then if they ask we we mean we tell them, then we overload them with emails saying BRING BACK THE BACK.
LOL
Posted by admad
OMG, i hope it's a late 1st april joke! The only thing that kept me with SE is the COOL interface, and very good buttons, what i hate in other manufactuers is that gay red and green call button, which are TOTALLY USELESS, oh man BRING BACK BACK BUTTON AND "C" BUTTON OMG. AND 3 BUTTONS AT THE TOP WILL BE REALLY CRAPPY, WTF.
Posted by Dups!
For those of us coming from the Ericsson side of the family I'm sure this is no problem at all. The red phone will act as a back key, you won't even realise the 'old' back key is 'gone'. So my advice to the worried members is don't despair it's just a matter of adjusting to the back key being the red phone.
Posted by Nanu
Shaliron has mentioned in the rumoured phones topic that:
The new UI will bring in the use of calling keys and a C button instead of just a back and C button.
Posted by Aware
.....yes, that'll please the 'gotta have hard-bound non-adaptive green/red keys on MY phone' fraternity......
....but what about the rest of us, who prefer the 'smarter'(here comes the flaming), exisiting
solution(one of the reasons we all buy in the first place)??
Posted by Bambino
not a smart move from
, Shame I say.
Seems
is not becoming of himself but evolved to become a Nokia!
Posted by c96sthl
this might be a forum for guys who just joined Esato after T610 was out.
back button wasn't introduced until T610 is out.
when it was introduced...many old chap like me hate it because the C button and reject call button is doing most of the similar job and everyone is frustrated on removing the reject call button.
HOWEVER it seem SE is moving back a bit but maybe they have their recent as we only see the MMI (man machine interface) for now and now the UI in action.
Posted by max_wedge
On 2007-04-07 11:52:18, Aware wrote:
.....yes, that'll please the 'gotta have hard-bound non-adaptive green/red keys on MY phone' fraternity......
....but what about the rest of us, who prefer the 'smarter'(here comes the flaming), exisiting
solution(one of the reasons we all buy in the first place)??
Posted by john_BC
Maybe it is just an experiment. If it won't work they'll bring back the BACK.
This message was posted from a WAP device
Posted by antichrist
On 2007-04-07 07:51:20, SE4NICK wrote:
Perhaps if we all email SE with the message
BRING BACK THE BACK
then they will notice us, then if they ask we we mean we tell them, then we overload them with emails saying BRING BACK THE BACK.
LOL
havent you thought a minute about this? how to remove the back button? that would make navigating through phone IMPOSSIBLE.
when you are in the file manager viewing pictures and then you want to view a movie, how would be that possible? only with a back button!
maybe they just put the back button the hang up button.
on z750 maybe there wouldn be a dedicated back button,but surely it will be a big back button on the screen since it has touchscreen
Posted by Forciie
Weak!!
Posted by Red_Rach
I can't see the problem at all.
The T68i didnt have a dedicated back button and worked fine. None of the Nokia's do either and they work fine!
Posted by antichrist
by a dedicated button you mean a button which has a symbol on it representing "back" ? look at nokia, most phones has the back button the right soft key. that is what i call a dedicated button.
Posted by arien617
It would be great if they made all the buttons with OLED screens so they can change the writing when it needs to. That way you'd only need a few keys at the top of the phone.
Posted by rambo47
Did SE change this just to make changes, to look as if they were really improving something? "If it ain't broke, fix it until it is."
Posted by Red_Rach
On 2007-04-08 14:13:17, antichrist wrote:
by a dedicated button you mean a button which has a symbol on it representing "back" ? look at nokia, most phones has the back button the right soft key. that is what i call a dedicated button.
Its not exactly dedicated since it has other features on the Nokia, where as the sony ericsson version is made just for going back!
Posted by MoeOz
i guess the C button will act as the BACk one and the new RED call ended one will act as da old C one ..
Posted by Seanyb2
God its not that bad. I am so used to latest Nokia UI i cant deal with the SE one its alien to me even though i have had loads of them in the past. Whats wrong with the Nokia softkeys where it clearly says underneath them on screen CLEAR OK AND OPTIONS. So easy. And underneath them is the call and hang up keys. Why people find these hard is beyond me. And calling them GAY keys i mean come on for gods sake. WHAT? I can text at lightning speed on my Nokia but on a SE its so slow it drives me insane and when you text on a SE i was forever pressing the wrong key. Rubbish.
Posted by masseur
finally some sanity
what alot of hysteria over a button!... as mentioned before, earlier phones were just as usable without the *specific* back button but no one here has used the z750 from what I have read and I'm not sure we have seen all sides in detail
so why are we not waiting for a detailed z750 usage review before getting into all this?
sometimes I feel that people just look for things to complain about rather than enjoying what we have. I'm sure SE would not remove the back button without ensuring an alternate solution that is equally usable and since no white paper is available yet I feel this whole thread is all based on just a couple of pictures and not experiential use
Posted by Seanyb2
The one thing SE should get rid of is that awful unusable joystick.
Posted by Charge
I think I know why SE changed their button format...
Its because of JP 8...
JP 8 is supposed to be a cross platform java solution for any new phone. So a designer who designs an app using JP 8 can rest assured that it'll work on any phone which supports JP 8... he won't need to worry about the lack of any JSRs on some vague phone.
Such a scheme would be impossible unless all JP 8 phones had a somewhat standard button layout... hence the change.
That said I don't see why SE can't make the 'end' button behave like a 'back' button if the user so desires.
Posted by max_wedge
On 2007-04-09 05:54:43, Charge wrote:
I think I know why SE changed their button format...
Its because of JP 8...
JP 8 is supposed to be a cross platform java solution for any new phone. So a designer who designs an app using JP 8 can rest assured that it'll work on any phone which supports JP 8... he won't need to worry about the lack of any JSRs on some vague phone.
Such a scheme would be impossible unless all JP 8 phones had a somewhat standard button layout... hence the change.
That said I don't see why SE can't make the 'end' button behave like a 'back' button if the user so desires.
You are probably right about jp8...and SE are dedicated to the JAVA platform, I believe K800 was the first to support the multi-tasking java vm?
I would miss the dedicated back button, and I'm not just over-reacting to pictures. I am a big fan of the SE gui, it was designed well from the start and still works well to this day even with multimedia phones. I accept one criticism t9 texting needs to be improved, but the over all GUI I feel is much more advanced than Nokia.
Even if I'm wrong about that, it's still much better for my personal preferences, and I'm sure many SE users have stuck with SE over the years for the same reason as I; that they prefer the GUI layout over all others. Look at it this way, all companies now have reasonable spec'd phones, so you don't need to stay with a particular manufacter unless you have very specific hardware requirements. Appearance is quite important, but this also is not limited to any one make of phone. This leaves the GUI as the feature of a phone that is unique to SE, the main reason you will choose it over another manufacturer.
The issue of GUI is really one of the most important aspects of choosing a phone, because it determines if you are going to enjoy using the phone or find it a hindrance. For me Nokia's are a hindrance. I can get used to them, but always have that feeling that getting things done could be more efficient. I don't feel that way when using an SE gui.
But, all said and done, @charge's point that it is probably to do with JP 8 makes sense and I support SE doing this if it is to ensure industry wide compatibilty of JAVA.
If that's the reason I'm happy, I just hope SE hasn't fallen for the "everybody loves the nokia UI the best" mythology
Posted by Red_Rach
On 2007-04-08 22:59:00, Seanyb2 wrote:
The one thing SE should get rid of is that awful unusable joystick.
Well looks like they have done that hear. Thats one thing I really do not miss since I got my N95! Its a joy to be able to move around the menu's without hassle!
Posted by goldenface
I was just gazing down at my T610 and thinking how nice and simple it looks - although it was well specced for its time. What happened to this philosophy?
It seems with the UI of the Z750i SE thinks its a good idea to have as many options as possible, for each and every function, at your fingertips.
Sometimes Less is More!
.....bringbacktheback!......
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Posted by Aware
...when has a red 'end call' button done anything other than end a call/return a phone to standby?? No navigational function, no administrative(i.e: 'c'=DELETE) ones......
....just tested on Sharp GX10, Samsung D600, LG Shine, N73........they're all the same......just like J-series.......
.....not why most of us bought
....
Posted by max_wedge
On 2007-04-08 22:59:00, Seanyb2 wrote:
The one thing SE should get rid of is that awful unusable joystick.
for every person who hates joysticks, there are just as many who prefer them. Some people seem to destroy joysticks others don't. So it beats me, but all I know is my joysticks last very well. On my K750, the joystick needed cleaning once in the 20 months I've owned the phone. On my K700 it needed cleaning once, and still works perfectly, the phone is now 3 years old, and my T610 never needed cleaning at all and it also still works perfectly.
Since the K800 joystick is better protected, I expect I may never need to clean it if I eventually get one (I'm waiting for the K810)
So in my mind I've gotta wonder what it is people who destroy joysticks do to their phones?
Posted by Hlcn Twst
So in my mind I've gotta wonder what it is people who destroy joysticks do to their phones?
Agreed. I've had my T616 and T637 for years, and the joystick was never the problem. I prefer it to the D-pad of my W810, to be honest.
Back OT, I also wonder why
has updated its phones' keys thusly. I'll have to wait to get my hands on one before I pass judgment, however.
Posted by goldenface
@Hlcn Twst
A good idea. Although the new layout is aesthetically different, we really shouldn't pass judgement before we actually use it, however I am still a bit sceptible.
Posted by DeLa
I think the red 'end call' button will behave as the back button did.
Much ado about nothing.
The SE gui still is the most user friendly (despite the talk over the 'simple' Nokias) and the latest little changes they have made always made it even better. Have some confidence!
Posted by shaliron
Apart from us die hard fans, most people prefer using the Nokia style three softkey interface and call up/hang up keys.
I'd prefer the old way, less clunky IMO, but if more people prefer the Nokia way, then SE only can benefit in sales which is obviously what any company wants.
Posted by bart
i prefere the old ericsson way with the yes and no, and the C and option key. i can live the current SE way, but it seems they are going nokia style now, so this means, i'll only be happy with a symbian phone, unless the change it aswell, then i'm off to neonode.
Posted by SE4NICK
@Red_Rach se has no joystick here cause its a FLIP/CLAMSHELL name a flip that has had a joystick.
@Goldenface WAY TO GO !!!
BRING BACK THE BACK
Posted by Bambino
what copying nokia button? what r u guys talking about?
have this call/hang-up button in ancient z300i ![ This Message was edited by: nokiamaniax on 2007-04-16 17:06 ]
Posted by Red_Rach
Since the K800 joystick is better protected, I expect I may never need to clean it if I eventually get one (I'm waiting for the K810)
So in my mind I've gotta wonder what it is people who destroy joysticks do to their phones?
I never had a problem with my T68i, T610 or My K700. However I did have problems with the W800 and lots of people have had problems with the K800 despite the fact its supposed to be improved. Infact, my K800 joystick was a problem after hardly any usage at all.
On 2007-04-10 12:19:41, SE4NICK wrote:
@Red_Rach se has no joystick here cause its a FLIP/CLAMSHELL name a flip that has had a joystick.
@Goldenface WAY TO GO !!!
BRING BACK THE BACK
I never claimed any flip phone had a joystick, I simply stated I was tired of Joystick problems on SE phones that had them! Theres no reason why I would want this phone anyway, its not very high end is it?
[ This Message was edited by: Red_Rach on 2007-04-17 00:58 ]
Posted by max_wedge
hmm, I'll have to keep an eye on my sis's K800 and see if she has any joy probs...
Posted by Vasto Lorde
The back is good! I like to minimize al with it. DON'T LET THE BACK GO AWAY! BRING THE BACK BACK!