Posted by Toney_Ericsson
Iran wants a problem.
Posted by maggflodd
On 2007-03-31 01:34:17, Toney_Ericsson wrote:
Iran wants a problem.
a) you try to fit in/adapt (you are a good house wife, you "grow up", stop being a gangbanger..., you "westernize"... You sell out...). Much of our so-called psychology is about that adaption, make you function in the larger group even if the majority may be wrong... "you adapt, you'll be happier, you'll be able to improve the overall situation of the group ("change the system from within")...
b) you refuse to adapt (your grievances are too big; your opponents too relentless to join them , too against-what you-believe-in; you feel a compromise would harm you and your group more than it would help the vague "greater good"...) - so then you "act up", "let it all hang out"... Show "them" what if "their" stereotypes of "your kind" were true: you become a gangster rapper instead of A Bill cosby, you become a "punk" because you've been called one once too often, .... You act like the "crazed towelhead" cause that's what your people have been called and treated as forever... This is simplified but not BS, it's socio-psychology 101... it's adaptation 1.02... And it can work just as "changing the system from within" MOSt oftEn fAILs!!! Problem is - short-term, it can be devastating - while adapting can be devastatin in the long run (if more people would "act up" occasionally there wouldn't be bully bosses and wars!... So there...
@fatreg, the uniform issue is dicey; I understand what you mean, but if they'd been "stripped" of rank by an alien force, it could've been interpreted as a serious offence!
Just my thoughts for a week's end
Posted by Xugaa
Bush attacks Iran over captives
President George W Bush has condemned Iran's "inexcusable behaviour" after its capture of 15 Royal Navy personnel.
The US leader added that he would "strongly support" the British government over the crisis.
Source
Please read and actually take in the article before you comment, I know that some sparks might start flying from some over this...
[ This Message was edited by: Xugaa on 2007-04-01 00:59 ]
Posted by ÈL ® ö B ì Ñ
Everyone saw this comming, we've been supporting troops in iraq, makes sense that bush stands by blair and condems irans behaviour.
Anyone watched the BBC video of bush's speech? he looks..er..well drunk or something hehe.
I'm discusted at Iran and would fully support any millitary action taken..but no one cares what I think hehe.
Sod an apology, I don't think Britain should say sorry for ANYTHING...they're taking the piss.
"we've illegally kidnaped 15 of your people...made a mockery of them on our public TV and now we also want an apology so we can feel big and smug"
Also...why do you think 2 people out of the 15 captured apologised??
I bet the were threatened with torture or such like, i highly doubt they said.."You know what, even though they kidnapped us...they're right, let me go and apologise on TV".
I think the army should use all the force nessecary in getting them troops back and show no weakness from the UK.
They're terrorists, lets be honest "we'll do this if you do that"...giving out demands like they're something...please, grow up children..sort ya damn country out.
Sorry i'm a little angor at them....it wouldn't be tollerated if the UK went and done it, so it shouldn't be tolerated from us.
Someone should write them a very nasty, yet stern letter.
Posted by maggflodd
On 2007-04-01 01:51:54, Xugaa wrote:
Bush attacks Iran over captives
President George W Bush has condemned Iran's "inexcusable behaviour" after its capture of 15 Royal Navy personnel.
The US leader added that he would "strongly support" the British government over the crisis.
Source
Please read and actually take in the article before you comment, I know that some sparks might start flying from some over this...
[ This Message was edited by: Xugaa on 2007-04-01 00:59 ]
George Bush is not even an elected representative... picked, yeah... elected? NO...
What's next, Xugaa, another UN-QUOTE? Maybe not by the current Sec.General, and not a kofi-quote... Why don't you quote, say, Kurt Waldheim next time - look HIM up though, because prior to being General Secci to the UN he was a high ranking SS-officer who evaded Nuremberg - I'm sure there's at least 1 Waldheim-quote you can use for this thread! George Bush does not care about 15 Brits, about 3000 New Yorkers, a million Iraqis, about xugaa or axxr or maggflodd - leave him out of this until he's one day drunk enough to admit he's working for totalitarian thugs (but not too drunk to make that testimony fly out of court!). "Kurt Waldheim" - look him up!!!
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[ This Message was edited by: maggflodd on 2007-04-01 12:27 ]
Posted by Xugaa
@ ÈL ® ö B ì Ñ...
Yeah I agree, some sense in the thread finally!
@ maggflodd...
Chill for **** sake, I'm just posting updates on the situation for discussion, don't like it don't come to this topic.
[ This Message was edited by: Xugaa on 2007-04-01 12:39 ]
Posted by maggflodd
On 2007-04-01 13:35:30, Xugaa wrote:
@ ÈL ® ö B ì Ñ...
Yeah I agree, some sense in the thread finally!
@ maggflodd...
Chill for **** sake, I'm just posting updates on the situation for discussion, don't like it don't come to this topic.
[ This Message was edited by: Xugaa on 2007-04-01 12:39 ]
Posted by Xugaa
^ You are really failing to make sense now...
Back on topic!
Posted by joebmc
"All 15 Britons held by Iran accept they were in the country's waters despite the UK's insistence they were in Iraqi territory, Iranian state radio says. "
Source: BBC NEWS
Posted by Xugaa
Forced to give in and "admit" that without a doubt; all for just propaganda to the Iranian people.
And look it seems its worked...
"On Sunday, Iranian students threw stones and firecrackers at the British embassy in the capital Tehran in protest against what they said was the "illegal entry" into their waters by the UK personnel."
Posted by ÈL ® ö B ì Ñ
On 2007-04-02 11:24:12, joebmc wrote:
"All 15 Britons held by Iran accept they were in the country's waters despite the UK's insistence they were in Iraqi territory, Iranian state radio says. "
Source: BBC NEWS
Come on m8 think about it...you and 15 mates are being help illegally in another country...being told to apologise for something you havn't done.
It's not like that..thats just what we see, we don;t know that they're not saying "We have this info on your family, apologise or we will kill them".
They could be at gun point, just because it's not on camera doesn't mean it's not happening.
Posted by joebmc
On 2007-04-02 13:13:10, ÈL ® ö B ì Ñ wrote:
On 2007-04-02 11:24:12, joebmc wrote:
"All 15 Britons held by Iran accept they were in the country's waters despite the UK's insistence they were in Iraqi territory, Iranian state radio says. "
Source: BBC NEWS
Come on m8 think about it...you and 15 mates are being help illegally in another country...being told to apologise for something you havn't done.
It's not like that..thats just what we see, we don;t know that they're not saying "We have this info on your family, apologise or we will kill them".
They could be at gun point, just because it's not on camera doesn't mean it's not happening.
Oh no doubt about it, its all bs
Im just updating on the situation, I totally believe that these are forced confessions. (thats even if these confessions exist)
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[ This Message was edited by: joebmc on 2007-04-02 12:25 ]
Posted by ÈL ® ö B ì Ñ
Ah right klkl m8 sorry.
Posted by oneofthose
@ the last 3 posters,
did you all attend the same college for the ignorant and cowardly - or were you born with the capability to believe just every bullsh*T? Regurgitating trite and swill is not the same as discussing - so, xugaa, it's not "back on track"... Why do you pretend you are trying to get to the bottom of things? You are already there, hiding in the darkest, shadiest corner called prejudgement... god, you bore me, and you will still bore me in 10 or 15 years when you're whining and moaning about how you've been lied to ... when you or someone you deeply care for has actual reason to "fight", to "question authority"... and all you will get is nonsense such as the stuff you post here now, dressed-up as commentary, advice or information when all it is is cliches, lies, stereotypes, borrowed opinions, BUT NOT one real original thought, and zero consideration.
BUT BACK ON TRACK: the scandal is that it isn't Blair who is forced to wear the scarfe, and who might face a trial in one of the countries he's raped and pillaged. The man and his little elitist clique of lying greedy little cowards belong were those 15 sailors are - only, it should be as bad as you make it out to be! Because otherwise, YOU will be next... They will never get close to real danger; THEY send people like you who trust, blindly trust authority... and they'll keep sending the Psycho Lindsey Englands of this world just for kicks. You allow yourselves to be ruled by a bunch of sickos, and fight their cause here, calling it "discussion"!!!! Yet, you manage to bore me.... you are frighteningly boring and repetetively so...
Posted by maggflodd
@oneofthose,
maybe overstepping some vague line, but !!!
Spot-on!!! Well worth being barred for - hahaha!!! thanks, dude!
Posted by joebmc
@oneofthose
Your an Idiot, mods may I suggest this topic gets locked as it obvious some people cant acknowledge that we are allowed to have different opinions.
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