Posted by sapporobaby
On 2007-05-23 22:31:08, Dogmann wrote:
@bickit
A lot would depend on which headphones and how the tracks where encoded as if their 56kbps using the stock headphones it wouldn't be the same as 160kbps AAC with a Nokia 3.5m adapter and a pair of Shure E2g headphones the results are truly stunning and on par with a dedicated MP3 player IMHO. If it really wasn't up to the job i wouldn't bother with it, there is nothing worse than listening to average quality music.
Marc
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-05-23 21:34 ]
Good post Dogmann,
I pretty much only encode at 160 and above if I do not purchase the music. In my experience, the music player on the E61 is very good. I have the N95 and I can hear a bit of a hiss. I am using a pair of Shure E5c's so maybe this is the problem because with these boys you can hear everything, good and bad.
Posted by Dogmann
@sapporobaby
Although when i got my E61 i was told i would need themes specially created for it there are loads of really nice themes for nearly all tastes. My current favourite gives me 25.3 Ram on start up and has some great custom icons. I am going to start a E61 themes thread and will post either links to the themes or at least the sites where they can be found here is my current favourite Ultimatus Vista_320 .
Marc
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-05-23 22:50 ]
Posted by sapporobaby
On 2007-05-23 23:03:33, Dogmann wrote:
@sapporobaby
Although when i got my E61 i was told i would need themes specially created for it there are loads of really nice themes for neraly all tates. My current favourite gives me 25.3 Ram on start up and has some great custom icons. I am going to start a E61 themes thread and will post either links to the themes or at least the sites where they can be found here is my current favourite Ultimatus Vista_320 .
Marc
Super nice thread dude.
I have to admit that my E61 just sits now while I am running around with my N95.
I have a pretty cool E61 though. I got it in Kuwait and it has Arabic keys. Looks nice and different.
Posted by Dogmann
Hi sapporababy,
I have to find some that lives where Gmask trades to send them a complete E61 housing so they can get it covered in Carbon Fibre as i have seen a modded E61 and it is just awesome. One of the best links is this one or themes.
http://www.e-series.org/nokia-e61-themes/
Here IMO is the essential place for all things E-Series including themes for all and even modding and modded devices.
http://www.e-series.org/archives/category/uncategorized/
Marc
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-05-23 22:20 ]
Posted by bickit
@everyone, i hadnt tried the same song thing, but the equilisers were identical. I had them both on 'bass booster' and the E61 was flatter. In use were the old, but highly potent nokia hds-3 headset, which im still using on the N72. The E60 had more bass. Today, i experimented using the same headset and the test song was coldplay's yellow.
The E61 sounded waaay better than before, but still flat.....Though you could hear every instrument! Next is to find the pop port 3.5mm headphone jack and match it with massive techniks headphones!
Posted by BobaFett
i use the headfones what 6280 came with, imo thats pretty good.
Posted by Dogmann
Hi bickit,
I never use bass boost and tend to leave the equalizer on default and to be honest i wouldn't use anything other than the Nokia 3.5m adapter and a decent set of headphones either. You still haven't manged to tell us what rate the Music has been encoded at as even if you use the best headphones and adapter if the Music has been encoded at a low bit rate it can not give good results as too much information is missing and loud really doesn't equate to quality in any way IMO.
Marc
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-05-24 16:23 ]
Posted by BobaFett
i "copied" the bass settings from 6233 in the e60 equalizer, so its a bit better now at listening
Posted by sapporobaby
On 2007-05-23 23:19:26, Dogmann wrote:
Hi sapporababy,
I have to find some that lives where Gmask trades to send them a complete E61 housing so they can get it covered in Carbon Fibre as i have seen a modded E61 and it is just awesome. One of the best links is this one or themes.
http://www.e-series.org/nokia-e61-themes/
Here IMO is the essential place for all things E-Series including themes for all and even modding and modded devices.
http://www.e-series.org/archives/category/uncategorized/
Marc
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-05-23 22:20 ]
Hey Dogmann,
Thanks for the links. Do you know of a good Internet Radio Streamer that will play most files and let you put in your own links? The Real Player on my Nokia is crap and you can not put in your own links.
Posted by Dogmann
Hi sapporobaby,
I think this is what you are looking for and yet another nice free app from our friends @Nokia at this link.
http://opensource.nokia.com/p[....]0internetradio/ClientPage.html
and it does allow you to create your own play lists although i believe it streams in AAC.
Marc
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-05-24 21:12 ]
Posted by bickit
@people, my apologies for forgetting a few things. The song was encoded using the mp3 L.A.M.E format at 128kbps.
Posted by Dogmann
Hi bickit,
To be honest i don't know anything about that codec but from my previous discussions with those in the know, i have been led to believe that 160kbps AAC equates to 192kbps MP3 and at codecs below this this is not really enough information for the best results. Using 160kbps AAC only produces file sizes of approx 4mb so still allows for plenty of Music with even a 2gb memory card plus enough space for video doc's and pictures.
Really though what ever produces a good enough result should be OK but as you said the results weren't really good enough why not advise your friend to try 160kbps AAC and see for himself if he can notice an improvement as surely that must be worthwhile.
Marc
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-05-25 08:26 ]
Posted by sapporobaby
On 2007-05-24 22:11:26, Dogmann wrote:
Hi sapporobaby,
I think this is what you are looking for and yet another nice free app from our friends @Nokia at this link.
http://opensource.nokia.com/p[....]0internetradio/ClientPage.html
and it does allow you to create your own play lists although i believe it streams in AAC.
Marc
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-05-24 21:12 ]
Hey Marc,
Thanks but that is not quite what I need. I bought an application from Handango. It streams and does pretty much all I need. Now if you can find me a theme maker that is not too hard to use. I just want to edit a few themes that I already have.
Posted by BobaFett
to be honest, i gave a try for several thms with different icons, but still the generic nokia icons are the best for me.
Posted by Dogmann
Hi Boba,
I wouldn't have a clue how to start creating a theme or custom icons but the theme i am currently using screenshots on the previous page does have the nicest custom icons i have so far come across and this theme is very fast and using very little Ram which is what makes it my current favourite. I really am very grateful to all these people that take the time and effort to make these themes for us especially as they are all free. It just amazes me that some people sell there themes via various sites and usually they are not as good as the free ones either IMO.
Marc
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-05-25 22:44 ]
Posted by BobaFett
to be honest, i liked a very simple one on 6680, called "ipd blue" but i didnt find it fir similar fo e and n series fones. i like simple thms, no wp.
Posted by maggflodd
...just a quickie: operamini just now updated itself on my e61 - and though I didn't notice any "obvious" changes at first: holy momma, really big improvement in terms of speed!!!! It's as if voda-ireland finally put some petrol in the engine!
No sh*t, at least twice as fast, and I have 3g currently off!
Maggflodd off to work
Posted by bickit
Wow, thats interesting! Ive never heard of an auto-update. Has any1 had any similar experiences?
Posted by maggflodd
... happened to me with last update as well, btw... read some time ago on their forum, that occasionally with minor updates/bug fixes they do that - could be very e61-specific (since e61 has no camera, the pic-upload is obviously absent!) what happened today... if I hadn't had to re-setup, and if my skin hadn't changed back to default, I'd hardly have noticed...except it's much faster now....even scrolling etc!
Posted by Hlcn Twst
Unless
announces something miraculous next week, a Nokia E-series phone is in my future. I would love an E65, but it's expensive, and its 3G won't work in the USA. (I don't want to pay for something I can't use.) An E50 sounds like a better choice for me - anything I should know before I buy one? Is the font size really so terrible? Is it an "old" phone by now? (Nokia USA lists it as "coming soon"!)
I'd love an N95, but I have the same hang-up regarding 3G. And as a Mac and iTunes user, nothing compares to an iPod for ease of use, especially with multimedia synchronization.
Posted by maggflodd
@ hlcn,
how much is it in US anyway?
Posted by Hlcn Twst
Looking at different non-eBay retailers, the E50 is $250-$300, and the E65 is $450-$550. The N95 doesn't get any lower than $700; Nokia sells it directly over the Web for $749 with free shipping.
Posted by bickit
I believe all E-series have 3G whether they have video calling abilities or not. The E50 is almost 9 months old. Its really affordable, but lacks wifi. The camera is bad either. Why not try the E61i? Its got almost everything!
Posted by bickit
E90 finally out in finland! It will be here by next month i hope! Its a great phone! Hope the price wont be ballistic.....
Posted by ali_baba
I'v bought a black E50! Nice little smartfon. The 3rd ed of S60 feels cool.
The only drawback is low RAM (jus 14MB after a fresh boot up).
Posted by bickit
If you can, dont install anything in the phone memory. Installed apps in the phone memory make the phone slower. Also, try find a good, low RAM sucking antivirus. I removed F-secure on my E60 and my phone started up quicker, and ran faster!
Posted by ali_baba
My experience is a lil different.
I'v found dat apps start faster n works better if installed on phone mem. Esp in the case of games.
And i don't hav any app dat load @ startup. Not even an AV.
Posted by bickit
Arent u lucky! Fascinating! I have a very interesting dilema. soon im going to purchase a new e-series phone. Im trying to decide between E61i and E65. Both VERY good phones, but after my N72, i expect the same audio quality! Would an E65 owner please tell what the audio is like? I tend to like business phones more than multimedia phones. They (normaly) more powerful! Btw E90 is 700pounds down here...
Posted by Dogmann
@bickit
I also have to disagree i also install all my apps and themes to the phone memory as i find that works much faster and i really don't get why anyone uses Anti-Virus as that really is the best way of slowing down your device and wasting it's resources and a total waste of money as well.
I use a E61 and think it s possibly one of the best devices i have ever owned and used and Music encoded @160kbps AAC with a decent set of headphones produces a really good sound IMO.
Marc
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-07-05 20:25 ]
Posted by bickit
This is completely wierd. My E60 and my Friends E61 had issues with speed when installing into phone memory!! Especially the E60! It got slow! A firmware bug or just a problem with early types?
Posted by maggflodd
On 2007-07-05 21:25:29, bickit wrote:
This is completely wierd. My E60 and my Friends E61 had issues with speed when installing into phone memory!! Especially the E60! It got slow! A firmware bug or just a problem with early types?
Posted by bickit
Now, i got ALL the software on my friends E61, apart from the standard software (f-secure virus and office suite, etc) there as follows: Adobe pdf, LCG jukebox, fring, mig33 beta, mxit, mobile weather, ownskin animator, handyzip, handy keylock, wifi finder, wireless keyboard app and about 700mb of music on the card. It has 38mb internal memory left. What could be wrong? It only has two or 3 apps running at the same time and startup takes 1.5 mins!!
Posted by maggflodd
...by "startup"... What do you mean? Turning it on? Or turning on an app?
My e61 can take a minute to turn on with a nearly full 2gb-card, but once it's on it's really fast! (my k750, btw, with a 512 mb-card took nearly as long to turn on, but was much slower once running!).
Posted by bickit
Thats switching the phone on. It used to be 40secs, when it just had music only. Btw it has 8 themes. 3 in phone memory, the rest on the card. I think ill have it flashed, though my friend wount be pleased. I thnk its the software, My E60 had the same issue. Now, seeing as people are pointing in the direction of the E61, what would be the name of the firmware(0S) upgrade that made the E61s Mp3 player very loud?
Posted by maggflodd
On 2007-07-05 22:22:58, bickit wrote:
Thats switching the phone on. It used to be 40secs, when it just had music only. Btw it has 8 themes. 3 in phone memory, the rest on the card. I think ill have it flashed, though my friend wount be pleased. I thnk its the software, My E60 had the same issue. Now, seeing as people are pointing in the direction of the E61, what would be the name of the firmware(0S) upgrade that made the E61s Mp3 player very loud?
i should mention I bought my e61 from vodafone Ireland who release phones much later than uk and europe, but often seem more sorted out/less buggy! i haven't updated a fw once! (6680, k750, w810, n91 etc etc...)
Posted by Dogmann
@bickit
The most obvious cause is as i suggested earlier is the totally unnecessary and resource sapping Anti-virus software it is totally pointless and uses large amounts of both Ram and processing power. Get rid of it and see if it makes a difference i am pretty sure this is the main culprit but running lots of apps that are constantly running is always going to effect the performance of your device.
I have Fring but not running constantly and for Mobile Weather i run manual updates when needed, don't really understand why you would need mig33 and Fring although i am now running Windows Live but again just when i need it is not just left running.
My E61 boots in 37 seconds i have 15 apps all installed to the phones memory, 4 themes in the phones memory, 1 ring tone and 2 message alerts in phone memory. I have 2gb card with Music , Pictures, Video's, and Documents with 549mb free on the card and 42.3mb free phone memory.
I am running V 3.0633.09.04 and have no issues with volume 70% is very loud and @47 my hearing is not as good as it was when i was younger.
To put it simply the combination of the apps you have installed and how you are running them is what is causing the delays you are experiencing and many of the apps seem to be duplicates. I would advise looking at what you really need to run and use and just install the essential apps the WiFi finder for instance is also a resource hungry app especially if left running always and especially on boot up and IMO a total waste and unnecessary.
These mobile devices have limited resources and i notice no mention of a good Task Manager which IMO is an essential app to have a use to help improve your devices performance.
Marc
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-07-05 23:50 ]
Posted by ali_baba
@bickit
Dunno why... There's a little performance difference when using the in built flash mem instead of the ext mem card. But i wont fill up the int mem. There's always some 15 odd MBs free.
The E61 too has acute low RAM issue when an activ user uses it. I'v got frnds with E62 & E61i. They complaint of low RAM n says they r forced to restart d fon every now n den.
I suggest u wait 4 d E61i's successor...
Posted by ali_baba
Here's my list of installed apps n games in my Nok E50
APPS:
Opera mobile
X-plore
Mobi OfficeSuite 4
Advanced Device Locks
Handy Clock
Handy Expense
Handy Taskman
IM+
cCalc
SmartMovie
Profi Mail
Photo Rite
S60 spot on
Auto Lock
GMail app
Live PVR
Wellness diary
Screen shot 2
Sym Torrent
WiPresenter
JBenchmark
Reuters
Contacts Transfer
Easy Jack
GAMES:
Prince of Persia 3
Real football 2007
I hate Guns
Sky Force Reloaded
K rally
Super Miners
Splinter Cell 4
Freddie Flintoff Cricket
Midnight Pool 3D
Massive Snowboarding 3D
BIA 3D
Fight Night 3D
ProGolf 2007 3D
BomberMan
Sensible Sudoku
Tennis Open 2007
Platinum Solitaire
Heart
Pinball Reactor
I'v got 8 themes installed in my phone mem too...
Posted by maggflodd
@ali-baba,
what are your friends doing?
i use my e61 heavily (for 1, I have no proper internet connection where I live, so it's my "laptop", really)...I never had to restart it?
What applications are left running unnecessarily?
i often have to edit large e-mail attachments on the go, checking websites simultaneously, istening to music at the same time, etc etc...
i'm not saying the e-series has the best ram ever, but ...i must be doing something wrong
Posted by bickit
NB: this is my friends E61, nt mine. Havent bought it yet. Mig33 is a chatting application, and its necessary to keep it on, as our friends are in remote areas. Im going to remove the antivirus and see what happens. Otherwise, didnt the E61i have its RAM issues sorted? And, i would like to have the E61i by october. Its a good alternative to the ultra buggy P990 and, ive got no idea when the successor is being released. Compared to the E65, the E61i seems to have a similar spec. I have to ask, has anyone had a virus detected in the phone? ALL my smartphones had never detected one, which leaves me wondering, why is it installed?
Posted by maggflodd
Never had a virus prob on 6680 (and we had 3 at work for 1 1/2 years), e61 (10 months) or treo750v... So your antivirus was preinstalled? Guess some deal between antivirus maker and nokia or the network? Like pc's that come with loads of useless programmes that all start on boot just to show you how slow stuff can get?!
nah the disadvantage of antiv. on far outweigh the minimal risk of infection - imho it's just a market niche they want to exploit!
Posted by bickit
How unnecessary. Btw how long does the battery on an E61 last when its on wifi mode?
Posted by maggflodd
On 2007-07-06 09:04:31, bickit wrote:
How unnecessary. Btw how long does the battery on an E61 last when its on wifi mode?
haven't had a chance to try! But I can surf the internet "forever"...well, compared to k750 or my lady's w810 or my treo, so I would assume in comparison wifi-battery life should be good, too!
dogmann?
Posted by Dogmann
Hi Bickit,
I have approximately 25mb ram on boot up up and by using Best Taskman for some control never see much under 19mb Ram. My battery lasts for days with out the need to charge even if i run Tom Tom for some journeys but as i said i don't lave loads of things all running when not needed. I also noted that it says mig33 Beta and many users over various platforms have mentioned that it drains battery and seems to use a lot of Ram. The E61i is really not that different from the E61 especially in the Ram department but using a Task Manager means i have never needed to reboot my E61.
As to how long can it run using WiFi there are to many variables for a straight answer, is it just on or is the device browsing and sending IM messages, how close to the Network Router is it but the Li-Polymer battery is an excellent battery with plenty of juice IMO.
I have tried to explain my usage and why i don't have any problems and also that people really need to understand the limitations of any device. If people really need to use it the way you are saying they need to have the next generation of devices like the E90 that has the extra Ram as unfortunately Symbian 9.1 does consume a lot of Ram. At least until hopefully early next Year when we should start to see OMAP3 series chips and a newer version of Symbian being used which should improve the situation greatly.
Marc
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-07-06 09:04 ]
Posted by Paddy_Fowler
Hi All,
I've just bought an E61i Sim Free. Going to be using it on the Vodafone IE network. Anyone know if i'm going to have to change settings on the phone to be able to browse the Web etc??
Also, to anyone who already has the phone - how is the screen for non-scratching? I've currently got an N70 - and i have to say that the screen is virtually unscratchable. By far the most durable screen on a Nokia phone that i've had so far.
How does the E61/E61i compare i wonder??
Posted by maggflodd
On 2007-07-06 11:03:02, Paddy_Fowler wrote:
Hi All,
I've just bought an E61i Sim Free. Going to be using it on the Vodafone IE network. Anyone know if i'm going to have to change settings on the phone to be able to browse the Web etc??
Also, to anyone who already has the phone - how is the screen for non-scratching? I've currently got an N70 - and i have to say that the screen is virtually unscratchable. By far the most durable screen on a Nokia phone that i've had so far.
How does the E61/E61i compare i wonder??
easy...
chose MISP as access point rather than wap (are you prepay? MISP only euro2.00/mb!!!)
Posted by Paddy_Fowler
On 2007-07-06 11:16:37, maggflodd wrote:
On 2007-07-06 11:03:02, Paddy_Fowler wrote:
Hi All,
I've just bought an E61i Sim Free. Going to be using it on the Vodafone IE network. Anyone know if i'm going to have to change settings on the phone to be able to browse the Web etc??
Also, to anyone who already has the phone - how is the screen for non-scratching? I've currently got an N70 - and i have to say that the screen is virtually unscratchable. By far the most durable screen on a Nokia phone that i've had so far.
How does the E61/E61i compare i wonder??
easy...
chose MISP as access point rather than wap (are you prepay? MISP only euro2.00/mb!!!)
Hi Maggflodd,
Should i call vodafone and tell them i've got an E61 then (even though it will be the as of yet unapproved by vodafone E61i)??
Yep, i'm on prepay alright - 2.00/mb isn't bad at all
How do you find your screen for scratching?
Posted by maggflodd
Mine is unregistered, but I suppose you can register it online as an e61 (but yoyu'd only need that for unlocking, wouldn't you; and yours is probably unlocked!?)!!!
10 months, no scratches...but I treat it well!
Posted by Paddy_Fowler
On 2007-07-06 11:50:34, maggflodd wrote:
Mine is unregistered, but I suppose you can register it online as an e61 (but yoyu'd only need that for unlocking, wouldn't you; and yours is probably unlocked!?)!!!
10 months, no scratches...but I treat it well!
I was under the impression that there were different network settings for different handsets... and that it's best that vodafone know what handset you're using? Probably very naiive of me....
Posted by Dogmann
@Paddy_Fowler
You should find on inserting the Sim the phone will automatically collect all the settings. But if you need or want to set up E-Mail or any other settings just go to this link and it will send them to your phone.
https://nokiags.wdsglobal.com/advanced?siteLanguageId=118
That should sort out anything you want to do, re the screen mine is also still mint but then i do look after my things and use a good quality case.
Marc
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-07-06 12:36 ]