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Posted by axxxr
From coffee to cheques and the three-course meal, the Muslim world has given us many innovations that we take for granted in daily life.


1) Coffee
The story goes that an Arab named Khalid was tending his goats in the Kaffa region of southern Ethiopia, when he noticed his animals became livelier after eating a certain berry. He boiled the berries to make the first coffee. Certainly the first record of the drink is of beans exported from Ethiopia to Yemen where Sufis drank it to stay awake all night to pray on special occasions. By the late 15th century it had arrived in Mecca and Turkey from where it made its way to Venice in 1645. It was brought to England in 1650 by a Turk named Pasqua Rosee who opened the first coffee house in Lombard Street in the City of London.The Arabic qahwa became the Turkish kahve then the Italian caffé and then English coffee.

2) Pin-Hole Camera
The ancient Greeks thought our eyes emitted rays, like a laser, which enabled us to see. The first person to realise that light enters the eye, rather than leaving it, was the 10th-century Muslim mathematician, astronomer and physicist Ibn al-Haitham. He invented the first pin-hole camera after noticing the way light came through a hole in window shutters. The smaller the hole, the better the picture, he worked out, and set up the first Camera Obscura (from the Arab word qamara for a dark or private room). He is also credited with being the first man to shift physics from a philosophical activity to an experimental one.

3) Chess
A form of chess was played in ancient India but the game was developed into the form we know it today in Persia. From there it spread westward to Europe - where it was introduced by the Moors in Spain in the 10th century - and eastward as far as Japan. The word rook comes from the Persian rukh, which means chariot.

4) Parachute
A thousand years before the Wright brothers a Muslim poet, astronomer, musician and engineer named Abbas ibn Firnas made several attempts to construct a flying machine. In 852 he jumped from the minaret of the Grand Mosque in Cordoba using a loose cloak stiffened with wooden struts. He hoped to glide like a bird. He didn't. But the cloak slowed his fall, creating what is thought to be the first parachute, and leaving him with only minor injuries. In 875, aged 70, having perfected a machine of silk and eagles' feathers he tried again, jumping from a mountain. He flew to a significant height and stayed aloft for ten minutes but crashed on landing - concluding, correctly, that it was because he had not given his device a tail so it would stall on landing.Baghdad international airport and a crater on the Moon are named after him.

5) Shampoo
Washing and bathing are religious requirements for Muslims, which is perhaps why they perfected the recipe for soap which we still use today. The ancient Egyptians had soap of a kind, as did the Romans who used it more as a pomade. But it was the Arabs who combined vegetable oils with sodium hydroxide and aromatics such as thyme oil. One of the Crusaders' most striking characteristics, to Arab nostrils, was that they did not wash. Shampoo was introduced to England by a Muslim who opened Mahomed's Indian Vapour Baths on Brighton seafront in 1759 and was appointed Shampooing Surgeon to Kings George IV and William IV.

6) Refinement
Distillation, the means of separating liquids through differences in their boiling points, was invented around the year 800 by Islam's foremost scientist, Jabir ibn Hayyan, who transformed alchemy into chemistry, inventing many of the basic processes and apparatus still in use today - liquefaction, crystallisation, distillation, purification, oxidisation, evaporation and filtration. As well as discovering sulphuric and nitric acid, he invented the alembic still, giving the world intense rosewater and other perfumes and alcoholic spirits (although drinking them is haram, or forbidden, in Islam). Ibn Hayyan emphasised systematic experimentation and was the founder of modern chemistry.

7) Shaft
The crank-shaft is a device which translates rotary into linear motion and is central to much of the machinery in the modern world, not least the internal combustion engine. One of the most important mechanical inventions in the history of humankind, it was created by an ingenious Muslim engineer called al-Jazari to raise water for irrigation. His 1206 Book of Knowledge of Ingenious Mechanical Devices shows he also invented or refined the use of valves and pistons, devised some of the first mechanical clocks driven by water and weights, and was the father of robotics. Among his 50 other inventions was the combination lock.

) Metal Armor
Quilting is a method of sewing or tying two layers of cloth with a layer of insulating material in between. It is not clear whether it was invented in the Muslim world or whether it was imported there from India or China. But it certainly came to the West via the Crusaders. They saw it used by Saracen warriors, who wore straw-filled quilted canvas shirts instead of armour. As well as a form of protection, it proved an effective guard against the chafing of the Crusaders' metal armour and was an effective form of insulation - so much so that it became a cottage industry back home in colder climates such as Britain and Holland.

9) Pointed Arch
The pointed arch so characteristic of Europe's Gothic cathedrals was an invention borrowed from Islamic architecture. It was much stronger than the rounded arch used by the Romans and Normans, thus allowing the building of bigger, higher, more complex and grander buildings. Other borrowings from Muslim genius included ribbed vaulting, rose windows and dome-building techniques. Europe's castles were also adapted to copy the Islamic world's - with arrow slits, battlements, a barbican and parapets. Square towers and keeps gave way to more easily defended round ones. Henry V's castle architect was a Muslim.

10) Surgery
Many modern surgical instruments are of exactly the same design as those devised in the 10th century by a Muslim surgeon called al-Zahrawi. His scalpels, bone saws, forceps, fine scissors for eye surgery and many of the 200 instruments he devised are recognisable to a modern surgeon. It was he who discovered that catgut used for internal stitches dissolves away naturally (a discovery he made when his monkey ate his lute strings) and that it can be also used to make medicine capsules. In the 13th century, another Muslim medic named Ibn Nafis described the circulation of the blood, 300 years before William Harvey discovered it. Muslims doctors also invented anaesthetics of opium and alcohol mixes and developed hollow needles to suck cataracts from eyes in a technique still used today

11) Windmill
The windmill was invented in 634 for a Persian caliph and was used to grind corn and draw up water for irrigation. In the vast deserts of Arabia, when the seasonal streams ran dry, the only source of power was the wind which blew steadily from one direction for months. Mills had six or 12 sails covered in fabric or palm leaves. It was 500 years before the first windmill was seen in Europe.

12) Vaccination
The technique of inoculation was not invented by Jenner and Pasteur but was devised in the Muslim world and brought to Europe from Turkey by the wife of the English ambassador to Istanbul in 1724. Children in Turkey were vaccinated with cowpox to fight the deadly smallpox at least 50 years before the West discovered it.

13) Fountain Pen
The fountain pen was invented for the Sultan of Egypt in 953 after he demanded a pen which would not stain his hands or clothes. It held ink in a reservoir and, as with modern pens, fed ink to the nib by a combination of gravity and capillary action.

14) Numerical Numbering
The system of numbering in use all round the world is probably Indian in origin but the style of the numerals is Arabic and first appears in print in the work of the Muslim mathematicians al-Khwarizmi and al-Kindi around 825. Algebra was named after al-Khwarizmi's book, Al-Jabr wa-al-Muqabilah, much of whose contents are still in use. The work of Muslim maths scholars was imported into Europe 300 years later by the Italian mathematician Fibonacci. Algorithms and much of the theory of trigonometry came from the Muslim world. And Al-Kindi's discovery of frequency analysis rendered all the codes of the ancient world soluble and created the basis of modern cryptology.

15) Soup
Ali ibn Nafi, known by his nickname of Ziryab (Blackbird) came from Iraq to Cordoba in the 9th century and brought with him the concept of the three-course meal - soup, followed by fish or meat, then fruit and nuts. He also introduced crystal glasses (which had been invented after experiments with rock crystal by Abbas ibn Firnas - see No 4).

17) Pay Cheques
The modern cheque comes from the Arabic saqq, a written vow to pay for goods when they were delivered, to avoid money having to be transported across dangerous terrain. In the 9th century, a Muslim businessman could cash a cheque in China drawn on his bank in Baghdad.

18) Earch is in sphere shape?
By the 9th century, many Muslim scholars took it for granted that the Earth was a sphere. The proof, said astronomer Ibn Hazm, "is that the Sun is always vertical to a particular spot on Earth". It was 500 years before that realisation dawned on Galileo. The calculations of Muslim astronomers were so accurate that in the 9th century they reckoned the Earth's circumference to be 40, 253.4km - less than 200km out. The scholar al-Idrisi took a globe depicting the world to the court of King Roger of Sicily in 1139.

19) Rocket and Torpedo
Though the Chinese invented saltpetre gunpowder, and used it in their fireworks, it was the Arabs who worked out that it could be purified using potassium nitrate for military use. Muslim incendiary devices terrified the Crusaders. By the 15th century they had invented both a rocket, which they called a "self-moving and combusting egg", and a torpedo - a self-propelled pear-shaped bomb with a spear at the front which impaled itself in enemy ships and then blew up.

20) Gardens
Medieval Europe had kitchen and herb gardens, but it was the Arabs who developed the idea of the garden as a place of beauty and meditation. The first royal pleasure gardens in Europe were opened in 11th-century Muslim Spain. Flowers which originated in Muslim gardens include the carnation and the tulip.





Posted by 02
Cool.... one thing for sure I know that the world follow is the Al'Quran numbering. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 etc......

Posted by Johnex
the rocket thingy was turkish wan't it?

Posted by axxxr
Proberbly was the Turkish,as it was part of this huge muslim empire!



Posted by blu_6779
@axxxr you created this same thread a while ago

http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=117493

Posted by axxxr
That thread was different it was about Islamic Inventors this is a list of the Top 20 Inventions!



Posted by axxxr
Here's a very good video about Islamic Inventions: WATCH HERE

Posted by masseur
since this is a repost from earlier in the year, I'll just post a link to that closed thread for some other links

How Islamic Inventors changed the world

Posted by aremaboy
We are one of the smartest generations in this world, aren't we?

Posted by masseur
I think it goes without saying that this is the smartest generation and its probably because we have so much more technology at our fingers tips, not least The Internet to provide almost all the knowledge available via tools like google.

This information can only help to get people more interested in aspects to advance all of mankind

Posted by axxxr
Totally agree masseur,education education education that is the way forward but i feel we are still way behind where mankind should have actually been.

Thankfully technology has advanced this far today because of the work done by past Scientists such as the ones above.

Posted by PeterKay
Brilliant list, some of which i was unaware of.


Posted by brix25
What have Muslims invented in the last 50 yrs or even the last century? Nothing! But if they want to take credit for ancient inventions they should go ahead. An American invented the cellphone but a Finnish company perfected it. An American made the first mass produced vehicle but the Japanese perfected production methods and quality issues.

Posted by amnesia
awesomnation.

Anybody want an Arabian sleeping gown? heh

Posted by brix25
Quote:

On 2006-12-25 16:54:45, amnesia wrote:
awesomnation.

Anybody want an Arabian sleeping gown? heh




ROLMAO See that's the reason Dubya treats Arabs like second-class citizens and only pimps them because of their oil.

Posted by Stinger151
Quote:



ROLMAO See that's the reason Dubya treats Arabs like second-class citizens and only pimps them because of their oil.




do u mean dubai?

Posted by brix25
Quote:

On 2006-12-25 20:10:19, Stinger151 wrote:
do u mean dubai?



I see what you're getting at. Sorry to burst your bubble but Dubai, as great a place that it is, would not exist in it's current state if the leaders of the UAE didn't have some sort of foresight...instead of buying American arms lets focus on tourism and a service economy.

Ok, its all built on oil revenues...they've diversified a bit but instead of building castles in the sky they should invest in industrial R&D.

Any bets on a commercially viable alternative energy source being invented/developed by Arab scientists

Posted by fatreg
Quote:

On 2006-12-25 20:23:42, brix25 wrote:
I see what you're getting at. Sorry to burst your bubble but Dubai, as great a place that it is, would not exist in it's current state if the leaders of the UAE didn't have some sort of foresight...instead of buying American arms lets focus on tourism and a service economy.

Ok, its all built on oil revenues...they've diversified a bit but instead of building castles in the sky they should invest in industrial R&D.

Any bets on a commercially viable alternative energy source being invented/developed by Arab scientists




you seem awfully tolerant of others matey.

you might wanna think before you speak in future. Dubai has fuel to survive for the next 20/25 years on its current reserves and afaik they haven't properly looked into more. as for foresight.. why do you think they are building at a rate of knots? nothing at all to do with the fact that they might be running out of money so best do it now while they have the money? they are already gearing up towards tourism, where in the world can you go skiing in a shopping mall? nowhere other than the mall of the emirates, it also hosts the largest shopping centre in the middle east with the ibn battuta mall. tying in with the sking idea.. where esle in the world can you go, water skiing? sand skiing and snow skiing? no where that im aware of.

and yes were talking soley about Dubai here... 1 of the 7 emirates in the UAE.. and may i add not the largest or richest by quite a way.. so im sure daddy Abu Dhabi will mr Dubai should they need it. its an Islam state its all about give and take.. there not greedy like us westeners.

thats two comments you made in this thread that have made me think you have something against Muslims?

care to share something with us?

tolerance matey.. thats what this world is all about.. theres certain people and groups i dont fully enjoy but i dont go spouting my mouth off about it.

maybe think what impact you might have on others?

fatreg - not a muslim but tolerant of all people.



Posted by PeterKay
Fatreg - a legend.


Posted by fatreg
cheers PK..

just fooks me off when people say things and dont back them up..

GRRRRRRRRR.

back on topic..

i always thought the victorians did the pin hole camera thing? well that what i was told at school.. might have to pay my teachers a visit..

hehe

fatreg

Posted by axxxr
Quote:

On 2006-12-25 14:02:00, brix25 wrote:
What have Muslims invented in the last 50 yrs or even the last century? Nothing! But if they want to take credit for ancient inventions they should go ahead. An American invented the cellphone but a Finnish company perfected it. An American made the first mass produced vehicle but the Japanese perfected production methods and quality issues.




How do you know muslims havn't invented anything in the last 50 or 100 years?...Muslims are working in the forfront in many industries of world today,..let me give you once example,.The worlds No:1 e-mail address Hotmail was invented by a Muslim,so next time you use Hotmail remember its there because of a Muslim!....Its sad that Less credit is given to scientists and innovators these days,a Chef is better known than someone who has invented something that can change our lives!

Muslims laid the foundation for most of whats mentioned,without the base there can be no structure so to say the american Martin Cooper invented the phone (which he did),and the fins perfected it,Sorry but without Martin coopers invention there would be no mobile phone today!....Its about the creation of something.


Posted by fatreg
*Hi5's axxxr*

Posted by axxxr
Quote:

On 2006-12-25 20:58:02, fatreg wrote:
i always thought the victorians did the pin hole camera thing? well that what i was told at school.. might have to pay my teachers a visit..

hehe

fatreg




Not everything they teach at school is true!

Here's your answer: wikipedia

"Ibn Al-Haytham (Alhazen), an Islamic mathematician, astronomer, and physicist invented the pinhole camera around 1000 Gregorian Calendar and explained why the image was upside down. Later around 1600, Della Porta reinvented the pinhole camera. Apparently he was the first European to publish any information on the pinhole camera and is sometimes incorrectly credited with its invention!"



Posted by lastikcizme
The majority of western societies know of the muslims from the terrorist acts of radical terrorist groups, and they don't really want to search any deeper to see the real picture. It is better to put the blame on religion instead of dirty politics.

Posted by brix25
@fatreg: You seem to get me all wrong. If you care to search for my previous posts in political threads I'm quite tolerant of many things and would consider myself liberal on most issues. The problem I have with this thread is that nutjobs and racists will come to the fore proclaiming superior intelligence based on the number of inventions by their countrymen/race/fellow believers. In todays context threads like this are divisive...not that we're all one happy family right now.

Posted by axxxr
Quote:

On 2006-12-25 22:34:00, brix25 wrote:
@fatreg: You seem to get me all wrong. If you care to search for my previous posts in political threads I'm quite tolerant of many things and would consider myself liberal on most issues.



Let me refresh your memory then,in your previous post you said i quote:

"What have Muslims invented in the last 50 yrs or even the last century? Nothing! But if they want to take credit for ancient inventions they should go ahead."

Anyone can see that doesn't sound very liberal and tolerant!


Quote:

On 2006-12-25 22:34:00, brix25 wrote:
The problem I have with this thread is that nutjobs and racists will come to the fore proclaiming superior intelligence based on the number of inventions by their countrymen/race/fellow believers. In todays context threads like this are divisive...not that we're all one happy family right now.




So your admit having a problem with this thread,i wonder why exactly?..i smell a hint of prejudice!

This thread is not racist or anything else...highlightling something which is never mentioned is important,muslims are only shown in a negative context these days in the Media,the fact is muslims are far from that!

Why don't you stick to the Topic and talk about the achievements by Muslim Scientists and how they have benefited yours and everyone lives,or is that difficult?If anyones being divisive in this thread right now its you!

So next time you Take a picture or drink a cup of coffee or write a cheque....think about the origins!


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Posted by brix25
@axxxr: To be brutally honest I don't care who invented the keyhole camera or coffee for that matter.
The point I was trying to make in the first post was not aimed at Muslim scientist per se but "Muslim" states who have not invested much in scientific education instead being pre-occupied with evil Zionists and infidels...in this context what have they come up with scientifically? What scientific research is conducted at Middle Eastern universities excluding Israel?


Posted by axxxr
Quote:

On 2006-12-25 23:57:00, brix25 wrote:
@axxxr: To be brutally honest I don't care who invented the keyhole camera or coffee for that matter.
The point I was trying to make in the first post was not aimed at Muslim scientist per se but "Muslim" states who have not invested much in scientific education instead being pre-occupied with evil Zionists and infidels...in this context what have they come up with scientifically? What scientific research is conducted at Middle Eastern universities excluding Israel?



Welll this isn't about if you care or don't,...again this thread about achievements Muslim Scientists have made in the past and laid much of the foundation for a lot of what we have today.

Muslims states today are not as influential or as powerfull as they used to be in the past,most of the these amazing inventions are from a time when Muslims were very powerful,sadly overtime and for historical reasons they have lost a lot of that power...Again you make unfounded claims that muslims are not investing in education,tell me what fields of education are muslims are not represented?...muslims contribute in everyway just like anyone else! ...Again your trying to take this off topic by involving political issues,if you really want to discuss why muslims are anti-zionist and anti-infidel i suggest you start a seperate thread then i'll explain to why exactly that is...in the meanwile lets concentrate on how life is better because of these inventions!

I suggest you do a bit of research into Muslim Scientists today and you will find that they work in the forfront of many of todays largest research institutes alongside other scientists from various cultures and backgrounds!.


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Posted by blu_6779
One of the greatest Muslim scientists of our time is the President of India currently and the finest one we have had so far imo, APJ Abdul Kalam.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APJ_Abdul_Kalam

Posted by axxxr
Wow i never knew that,he sounds looks an amazing man!

"honorary doctorates from at least thirty universities" now that is amazing!

Posted by blu_6779
Yup, he is a teacher and a scholar and an environmentalist. He's a father figure to most indian students.

Posted by PeterKay
Was not aware of that too! must do more research myself.


Posted by axxxr
Arab scientists established in the ninth century that the world was round and under the Caliphate of Mamun (813 - 833), the first map of the globe was made. These scientific theories, that were available in Latin translations, paved the way for the discovery of America by Columbus, who owed much of his success to Muslim scientists and researchers.

Moreover, European historians acknowledged the fact that Ibn Rushd (Spanish Muslim Philosopher, 1128-1198 AD) was one of the first scientists to predict the existence of a new world beyond the Atlantic Ocean. Columbus himself mentioned in his memoirs that he benefited from the theories of the Arab geographers about the roundness of the Earth, Arab maps and the sciences of astronomy and navigation.

source

Ibn Rushd below was one of those who predicted the existence of a new world beyond the Atlantic Ocean



Posted by Abdulah
All of the claims made in that article have been refuted:

http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/20_Islamic_Inventions

Posted by drewwilliam
The Arabs have contributed pretty much nothing. Even this list is a disgrace. Look at Israel 1/120 the size of all the Arab nations around it and there list of inventions blows all of them out of the water. Im not talking about Jews cause if I were the list would almost be doubled of Israel. If you really think we wouldn't have coffee and checks today because of an Arab your nuts. Trust me when I say someone would have invented it by now. When there coming out with Gps, drones, satellites, or how about Intel chips like Israel makes than we can talk about making something that someone else couldn't of made. Some of the richest people in the world come from these countries yet you don't see Nobel prizes or anything significant coming from these countries to help the world as a whole. Saudi Arabia makes more money than Israel even with American help which most gets paid back or is given back through ingenuity and inventions. This is why they have been a third world country and Israel rises to be a metropolitan success in less than 65 years. And by the way if an Arab comes to America and gets an American education and comes out with an invention this is not an Arab invention its American. Just like if I come out with an invention it will be American not Russian where my grandparents are from. And hotmail... seriously when I see hotmail I thank yahoo and the hundreds of other email services that came out before hotmail.

Posted by hihihans
Who cares who invented what.
A lot of things were invented on different places at the same time, bookprinting, photography.

I'm just glad that it's here.

Edit; Oh dear, this is an ancient old forgotten thread.
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Posted by drewwilliam
I know 8 years later they still got nothing. And yes it does matter who invented what cause if it didn't the title of the post would be what people have invented not what Arabs have invented. During the last 200 years there have been more science and contribution to the world than ever before and yet I don't see Arabs claiming anything. I mean Japan is tiny, got wiped down to nothing during wwII, huge natural destruction, and still send people in space. Seriously what's up with the arabs, tons of money and resources and it all goes to what??? While the USA spends more money than the ten countries under us combined together, its only 4% gdp while Saudi Arabia is at 22% gdp. Instead of trying to get rid of countries that they'll never win against they should focus on education, period, no excuse what so ever.

Posted by julias
@drewwilliam i'm getting a really bad vibe from you about muslims your comments come across as Islamaphobic bordering on racist norwegian mass murderer Anders Breivik would absolutely love you.




Posted by drewwilliam
Bad vibe? I mean if that's your way of saying I'm right than ok. Mass murder??? Who said that?? And because everything I said is true??? Tell me one thing I said that's not true or doesn't apply? So if I say 6,000,000 Jews were killed in the holocaust that means I want all Jews dead? No its a fact just like the other stuff I pointed out. Just because the facts aren't what u want to hear now I'm a racist murder??? Arabs live in third world countries for a reason, if you don't contribute to society you become a third world country period. And I have Arab friends, trust me there the first to people to agree with me. They blame it on there country, although its a valid excuse it still doesn't change the facts. And by the way I have a degree in computer engineering, I had an Arab teacher that went to university of Jordan that was a genius at engineering. He is also the first to tell me the education and opportunity is almost impossible to get out there. Thats why he's in America and that's why Arabs contribute nothing to society today.

Posted by drewwilliam
I love it. I say Arab countries are one of the lowest countries in education in the world. They spend almost all there money on the army. I say they should spend less on war and more on education, and you say I'm racist. Apparently you don't think Arab children should be getting an education instead of handed an AK-47.

Posted by Marly

On 2011-08-23 14:27:46, drewwilliam wrote:
I say Arab countries are one of the lowest countries in education in the world. They spend almost all there money on the army.


Their governments are to blame for that, not the people.

Posted by drewwilliam
Like I already said if you read what I wrote I don't care whose fault it is. But its the truth. For someone to say I'm racist for saying the truth just means they don't want to admit I'm right so they make a scapegoat. If I were racist I would say they should be bombed and killed. America only needs a couple hours to tear all of them to nothing. I didn't say that though I said they have contributed virtually nothing to society and proved it, I also explained why. Take it how u want I work with tons of Arabs and most are extremely intelligent but they all have American education.

Posted by julias
We are getting seriously off topic here and more into the politics of why Arabs now lack in innovation today.I was watching a documentary on Islamic Science and innovation just a few weeks back and they tackled the very question as to why Islamic innovations are lack behind today and the answer is simple there was a period when Muslim Scientists were light years ahead from the west in terms of Scientific research and it was at that time the west looked towards the Islamic world for knowledge and innovation but it was also a time religion was everything and everything had to go through the church and was sanctioned by the church hence why the west was behind it was a time when everything had to be made sure that it passed the religious guidelines now where the Islamic differed was that the religious clerics
there had no say in anything and innovation and thought was freely practised now the tipping point came when the religious clerics in the west and the church decided that they would no longer interfere and that's when there was the massive turnaround happened because the clerics in the Arab decided that Islam and religion was primary over anything else and that's when the demise of Islamic innovation began and why the muslim lacks behind today and now takes most of its knowledge from the west, in the end its religion to blame as to why the Islamic world lacks behind today so in the end there is no argument about who is better than who we all are the same and equally intelligent and mankind when working together can achieve great things as with many modern day innovations and achievements are down to us working together from all races and all religions.
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Posted by drewwilliam
Again like i keep saying and will keep saying i dont care why but the matter of the fact is that the Arab innovations are nothing to be proud of. Thats all i said at first and i somehow became a "racist" so i proved a point to show im not racist. Also they have more money and resources than a lot of countries doing a lot better then them. And yeah when the west had little to no population we were lacking in technology. But with the population, resources, and money at a fair and even level we never lacked behind the Arabs. And yes we are getting off topic. Everyone has an excuse instead of just saying your right. Before when it was posted it was look at what the Arabs have contributed. Now its all people contribute. Listen it matters who contributes what. It seems to me like your proud about inventions made thousands of years ago and cant admit that Arab countries are way behind and contribute nothing to society today. Its always an excuse, yes we all know why Arabs dont contribute, but it doesnt change the fact that they dont. If you say to a cripple you cant use your legs to walk, he says thats because my legs got runover by a truck, guess what, even with the excuse he still cant walk.

Posted by julias

On 2011-08-23 17:51:06, drewwilliam wrote:
Again like i keep saying and will keep saying i dont care why but the matter of the fact is that the Arab innovations are nothing to be proud of.


Yes we can all see here that you do not care about facts and may i ask why aren't Arab innovations to be proud of? If it wasn't for the them you wouldn't have many of today's innovations.That's like saying we will forget about the work of Marie Curie and Galileo and only take into account what modern day scientists have done.


On 2011-08-23 17:51:06, drewwilliam wrote:
And yeah when the west had little to no population we were lacking in technology.


So your saying the west were lacking in technology due to a lack of population? Are you for real?



Posted by drewwilliam
Galileo was Italian and Italians still to this day put out tons of inventions to be proud of. In other words they didnt take a 1000 year gap of nothing like the arabs. And yes i did say the population and meant it. Look at this map http://www.uncp.edu/home/rwb/lecture_ancient_civ.htm. Look at the population of the east to the west. More people more inventions (starting to make sense??), the mayans and Incas did just fine without help from the east. And what facts dont i care about??? I threw out tons of stats and numbers all you could say is well they invented it thousands of years ago and your racist. You have no numbers no stats only excuses. And in the past 1000 years nothing. What wouldnt we have today if it werent for Arabs??? Everything they invented was invented somewhere else without there knowledge. Like i said if they can come up with something spectacular like electricity, telephones, internet, you know the things you use everyday and ideas that others couldnt even think of than ill give them the credit they deserve. Oh yeah i forgot there wouldnt be checks if it werent for Arabs LOL .... Good invention oh yeah i cant forget about number one... Coffee.... Go on this link http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1600302/posts... This is something to be proud of.

Posted by julias

On 2011-08-23 18:35:42, drewwilliam wrote:
Galileo was Italian and Italians still to this day put out tons of inventions to be proud of. In other words they didnt take a 1000 year gap of nothing like the arabs.


You so clearly have a problem with Arabs and Muslims and how do you know that Muslim or Arab Scientists don't put out any inventions today? If you go to Nasa for example they have Scientists from every race and religion working there including many Muslim scientists. And i explained earlier why Muslims lack behind in Science and innovation today but your clearly ignoring that fact.


On 2011-08-23 18:35:42, drewwilliam wrote:
And yes i did say the population and meant it. Look at this map http://www.uncp.edu/home/rwb/lecture_ancient_civ.htm. Look at the population of the east to the west. More people more inventions (starting to make sense??), the mayans and Incas did just fine without help from the east.


Sorry but that claim is simply laughable and a joke that populations had anything to do with the lack of innovations from the west.I have seen today's historians and scholars in the field who have written many books and made many documentary's about Islamic inventions and achievements indeed if you want confirmation for yourself then take a trip down to the British Library in London which holds endless books and original text from Muslim scientists which document their achievements and not a single scholar today will agree with your argument that "population" had anything to do with it so your just talking utter rubbish and has no historic basis.


On 2011-08-23 18:35:42, drewwilliam wrote:
Everything they invented was invented somewhere else without there knowledge.


Again more endless lies from you. Do your research first but then your not much of a innovator are you? If everything was invented somewhere else before them then those original inventors and inventions would be documented but no so this why all the Islamic innovations are documented! I will even give you some links to read and enlighten your lack of knowledge. Islamic Golden Age and read on this list of Arab and Muslim Scientists who's work you think doesn't matter and also a list of List of modern-day Muslim scholars since you think muslim contribute nothing today.
[ This Message was edited by: julias on 2011-08-23 19:23 ]


Posted by drewwilliam
I used to work at NASA wanna keep trying??? Every single one had British or American raising in which they got there intelligence from. And why doesn't population matter? Again u hear me say something and I'm racist again, that's where this ends. If u wanna have a discussion that fine, don't call people racist when there clearly not. And how do I know???? I work in the field everyday. No historic basis? Everything you say is well I know someone or I saw something on tv. Your looking at millions of people vs thousands yes it does matter. You clearly didn't look at the map or read the info I sent. Which says that western civilization wasnt even founded until hundreds upon thousands of years after eastern civilization was flourishing. They are a thousand years before us and are behind. No people, no inventions. I don't care why I seriously don't care why I showed u something to be proud of where's my quote in that one??? Americans invented the atomic bomb. If we didn't Germany or Russia would have. Who cares if u document it someone else could make it. If it weren't for nikola Tesla we wouldnt have alternating current, if it weren't for Einstein there would be no e=MC2. these are things that others just couldn't have come up with without them. if all the Arab countries disappeared we would all be fine technologically. if America or Israel disappeared we would have huge innovation setbacks.

Posted by drewwilliam
And again why would I have Arab friends that agree with me if Im racist. Let's make it simpler. Why would I associate myself with Arab employees after work if I didn't like them?

Posted by arien617
Stop feeding the troll, seriously.


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