P800 smartphone or 3G?? - Esato archive

Posted by MrSavoy
I have a question about the P800 is this considered a smartphone or a 3G phone? Is the only difference between a smartphone and a 3G phone the network it can handle? Or is there more to it? I know #g is supposed to offer faster data rates but what else? Would the P800 be called a 3G? Thanks.

Posted by Cytech

P800 is not 3G..... it's a communicator/smartphone or what you wanna call it

Posted by MrSavoy
Thanks for the response but, you didn't explain what makes it a smartphone and not a 3g. Whats the difference?

Posted by Cytech
what exactly does it smart and not just a phone?

the camera? the way you use it?
I quote Ericsson's definition of a smartphone (this was written when R380 was released):

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The term smartphone has been coined to describe devices which, while being primarily a mobile phone, incorporate elements of functions found in paper-based personal organizer systems or in modern electronic personal digital assistants (PDA). Typically, a smartphone contains a calendar, an address book, e-mail and messaging functions, and a browser for the wireless application protocol (WAP), together with a range of ancillary functions. It is also expected to work simply as a mobile telephone. A smartphone is roughly the same size as a standard business mobile phone—for example, the
Ericsson R320—and like a standard phone, it allows users to operate its basic functions in a one-handed fashion. Extra functionality is accessed via the large touchscreen, which differentiates it from standard phones.

Source: Ericsson Review no 1, 2001

3G is a new network and P800 is not built for this...

[ This Message was edited by: Cytech on 2002-11-04 18:22 ]

Posted by geoffreyw
So by their own definition, practically every phone manufactured today is a "smart phone". Are 3G phones backwards compatible, because nobody seems to embracing the 3G technology. Even Nokia's CEO poo pooed it.

Posted by Ruvjet

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On 2002-11-04 19:15, MrSavoy wrote:
Thanks for the response but, you didn't explain what makes it a smartphone and not a 3g. Whats the difference?

3G use a new radio frequency, 2100mhz, and a new coding process, called WCDMA.

Posted by Cytech

some 3G phones will have the possibility to work both on UMTS frequencies and on GSM frequencies... but the first phones will probably not have this feature....

Posted by meiwing
The P800 is 2.5G as stated in the GSM Association pages. This means it works on GSM and GPRS. 3G networks are types such as WCDMA and/or EDGE. Personally, GSM and GPRS are widely used and are considered stable so I prefer a proven 2.5G device over a shaky 3G device. Even the great FOMA standard (3G) in Japan do not live up to my expectations for 3G services. You just have to accept that wireless services are going to be slow for now. Perhaps by 2003, WCDMA will pick up in acceptance and speed. If you get a P800, get it because it is a great communication device that allows for connectivity with the rest of your equipment, not because it will be the end-all, be-all of devices.

Posted by wapchimp
when 3G is released (very soon in UK thanks to '3' or hutchinson) - some networks will run at lower speeds & then build upto higher data rates of about 384kbps - I read something like that somewhere

Posted by wapchimp
also most people consider videotelephony most assiciated with 3G - can't wait for that

Posted by panda
Nokia 6650, Motorola A830, Siemens U10, NEC E606, they are all GSM/W-CDMA dual band. We should see these phones in year 2003.

Posted by ofiaich
Does this mean that there will be the ability to 'roam' in Japan?

That would be useful to know

Ofiaich.

Posted by wapchimp
maybe... if ur provider gets a roaming agreement there & they are fully compatible - y not.