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Posted by Kriomag
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[ This Message was edited by: Kriomag on 2008-01-12 01:09 ]


Posted by MarkJason

On 2008-01-10 10:44:43, SPU wrote:
MarkJason
MXE is a special case.
In the original driver this is done in SET_JPEG_QUALITY macro:

We have quality value in r2 then we call SET_JPEG_QUALITY

SET_JPEG_QUALITY=
$p1 0e //check out MXE state
$c1 01 //if MXE is on
$s2 32 //override quality value (32 = 50%)
#SET_JPEG_MIN(00,01) //set min size to 1KB to avoid crash
$cx //end if
07 02 00 13 $w2 $w2 $w2 #CMD_END; // finally apply quality settings.

May be you'll find something like this in the modded drivers.

BTW, IMHO, synchronization with MXE also depends on cam_ss_sync value, but i can't check this =( I have no MXE.



Thanks for the info... I have checked the cam_ss_sync value... Yours, Kriomag are the same while Raiderski and Sarmad are the same as well... Yours and Kriomag have the values the same as K800i camdriver... am i right?

One more thing... What do we need to alter so that when we take a pic, the camera will record the shot instantly not about 2 secs where a little movement can alter the final pic? Does it rely on COMPRESSION too? Higher compression means the shot is taken faster?

Posted by brazzuka's
MarkJason

u r using mxe-60? because they say the distance between the flash and the camera lens should be at least 55 mm in order to avoid red eyes. K750 with MXE-60 manages this fine, about 80mm. well k750=w810 same case the design of this lens in the same distance




Each environment each condition is assigned a response to the sensor environments conducive to use the flash mxe-60 figures of exposure and iso are other has to adjust the values and testing them in environments suitable to the time of exposure and are iso other values
Say for the K750 or W810 and MXE-60 happens to be mobile phone and it's accessory and not proper digicam, we never will get technical specifications about flash duration time and such self-evident facts but i trust you guys.
The flash shoot also with the environment and we must also synchronize the time of the sensor led the camera with the flash mxe-60 then for each environment and conditions features and conditions for the reflection of light is very important and each depends on the hardware and firmware will behave

[Non-flash photo: 1/20s, ISO 500, flash photo 1/15s, Iso 200 and exposure correction] maybe

I don´t know if these features r exactly ,have to test

information:

"bought my MXE-60 last summer while the firmware version R1L002 was the latest. That version could deliver both ExposureTime and ShutterSpeedValue on Exif data. 1/15sec and 1/16sec were the values. (Later firmware versions have dropped that ShutterSpeedValue) But the exposure time of the flash itself is much shorter, as the demonstrative test photos of my waving hand and rotating record players show clearly."

"Verdict: the camera does 1/15s but MXE-60 Xenon flash does it much much shorter...."

"You noticed something essential in low light photography. As you might know, these simple cameras can adjust the correct exposure only by exposure time and sensor sensitivity (film speed) because the aperture is fixed (2.8 on K750)."

"In normal mode the longest exposure time on K750 is 1/20s, in Night mode 1/5s. The highest ISO sensitivity is 800 (after latest firmware)."

"Photographers call lightning situations for Exposure Values, combination of the three above. K750 starts using it's longest exposure time at EV 6, while EV 4 is the darkest, where K750 still manage to deliver correct exposure. At EV 6 the sensitivity is 200, at EV 4 the max 800."

"Here some descriptions of such EV situations:

EV 4: Candle lit close-ups. Christmas lights, floodlit buildings, fountains, and monuments. Subjects under bright street lamps.

EV 5: Night home interiors, average light. School or church auditoriums. Subjects lit by campfires or bonfires.

EV 6: Brightly lit home interiors at night. Fairs, amusement parks.


The moment you want to add more exposure compensation, the only way K750 can obey is by increasing ISO beyound the normal 800 limit, up to 1600. With the MXE-60 mounted on, the output power of the flash is regulated instead.

It's worth opting for Night mode, but then the longer exposure time becomes a problem. Take a look at these examples of noise level in Normal mode vs Night mode, ranging from EV 4 to EV 7"

author: Mark_Q



Well We must explore the functions of the flash and add to the camera sensor do not know if all this that writing is a big silly perhaps a hypothesis or an idea


more information:
source

http://www.xs4all.nl/~wiskerke/artikelen/basic1.htm

http://www.fredparker.com/ultexp1.htm



Posted by MarkJason
Yes, I'm using the MXE-60 flash accessory... The main problem of it is out of sync in not well litted places... In very dark places they perform very well... I adjust the EV to make the flash stronger... but in some cases that doesn't help me... Sometimes adjusting the angle of the shot would help cause sometimes there's a thing that can block the flash causing the taken shot to be dark...

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[ This Message was edited by: MarkJason on 2008-01-11 04:01 ]

Posted by MarkJason
Guys, what will happen if i do this?

seq_set_prop_8_0=06 02 00 01 %0 53 #CMD_END
06 02 00 01 00 08 #CMD_END;

seq_set_prop_8_1=06 02 00 01 01 08 #CMD_END;

Posted by 679

On 2008-01-10 23:38:04, Kriomag wrote:

who uses high ISO ? you must be a masochist
if you take picture with high iso the detail level are same as low as you would have taken this picture with 640x480 resolution and then resized it to 1632x1224


Yes you are right, but not completely. I think masohist got pleasure taking picture during near 10s in ENM, trying be steady and breathless .
Realy with "$s0 3a" i got ISO 160, max exp 1s and good result even in night.
Problem for me is that i need '3a' only for ENM, not for EM to, but cant put "40" for EM and "3a" for ENM separately.
Maybe it is possible?
Thx.

Posted by Kriomag

On 2008-01-11 09:32:15, 679 wrote:

On 2008-01-10 23:38:04, Kriomag wrote:

who uses high ISO ? you must be a masochist
if you take picture with high iso the detail level are same as low as you would have taken this picture with 640x480 resolution and then resized it to 1632x1224


Yes you are right, but not completely. I think masohist got pleasure taking picture during near 10s in ENM, trying be steady and breathless .
Realy with "$s0 3a" i got ISO 160, max exp 1s and good result even in night.
Problem for me is that i need '3a' only for ENM, not for EM to, but cant put "40" for EM and "3a" for ENM separately.
Maybe it is possible?
Thx.

you got point hehe, but i never take pictures with long exposure holding camera with hands i use selftimer function :]

It is posiible:

With this code You will have value 40 for EM and value 3a for ENM:
Change "$s0 3a" to:
"
$p2 07 <-- place value of property 7 in internal register 2
$c2 00 <-- if value of register 2 is 0 = normal mode is selected
$s0 40 <-- set register 0 value to 40 = best EM
$cl <-- if value of register 2 is other than 0 = night mode is selected
$s0 3a <-- set register 0 value to 3a - best (in your opinion) night mode
$cx <-- end...
"



check my v21.93 driver to get better understanding (now i use simplified EM/ENM/LedEM/LedENM code = only one short macro instead of 2 macros - THX Raider).

[ This Message was edited by: Kriomag on 2008-01-11 10:01 ]

Posted by Kriomag

On 2008-01-11 07:18:44, MarkJason wrote:
Guys, what will happen if i do this?

seq_set_prop_8_0=06 02 00 01 %0 53 #CMD_END
06 02 00 01 00 08 #CMD_END;

seq_set_prop_8_1=06 02 00 01 01 08 #CMD_END;


if you select black&white in effects menu the SPOT will be enabled, if you turn effects off also SPOT will be disabled.
BUT
with above code the effects function will not work, i suggest you change it like this (if you want other effects working correctly):

seq_set_prop_8=$s0 %0
$c0 00 06 02 00 01 00 08 #CMD_END
06 02 00 01 00 53 #CMD_END $cl
$c0 01 06 02 00 01 01 08 #CMD_END $cl
06 02 00 01 $w0 53 #CMD_END
$cx $cx;

with my code only black&white effect will not work (because its function is changed to SPOT), other effects selected in menu will work fine

[ This Message was edited by: Kriomag on 2008-01-11 10:21 ]

Posted by Raiderski
you can also try this:

EM_MSS_APPLY=#EM_STATUS
$c1 00
// cut here everything and put:
#CMD(03,01)
$cl
$c7 00
$cl
#MSS_APPLY
$cx
$cx;

final pics with ISO160 and half exposure time of original EM


Posted by 679


It is posiible:

change "$s0 3a" to:
"
$p2 07 <-- place value of property 7 in internal register 2
$c2 00 <-- if value of register 2 is 0 = normal mode is selected
$s0 40 <-- set register 0 value to 40 = best EM
$cl <-- if value of register 2 is other than 0 = night mode is selected
$s0 3a <-- set register 0 value to 3a - best (in your opinion) night mode
$cx <-- end...
"



Kriomag, Thx
But it is for 21.93, right? May be it is possible to use this part as macro block? Bcs in 21.93 there are some places with "$s0 40".



[ This Message was edited by: 679 on 2008-01-11 10:08 ]

Posted by 679

On 2008-01-11 10:58:17, Raiderski wrote:
you can also try this:

EM_MSS_APPLY=#EM_STATUS
$c1 00
// cut here everything and put:
#CMD(03,01)
$cl
$c7 00
$cl
#MSS_APPLY
$cx
$cx;

final pics with ISO160 and half exposure time of original EM



Raiderski, is your advise for my problem?
Thx.

Posted by Kriomag

On 2008-01-11 11:03:52, 679 wrote:
Wow. But it is for 21.93, right? May be it is possible to use this part as macro block? Bcs in 21.93 there are some places with "$s0 40".


here is my EM/ENM/LedEM/LedENM Macro:

EM=$p1 05 <-- place value of property 5 in internal register 1 (to check if picute quality is FINE)
$c1 01 <-- if value of register 1 is 1 then proceed with EM/ENM/LedEM/LedENM code:
$p1 0e <-- check if mxe-60 is disabled
$c1 00 <-- if register 1 has value 0 then external flash lamp is disabled
#READ(23,$r2 1 1)
$m0 1 $/0 28
$c0 00
$m0 1 $/0 03
$c0 00
$cl
$s0 40 <--set register's 0 value to 40 (for EM/ENM and LedEM)
$p2 07 $c2 01 $p2 0d $c2 01 $s0 3d $cx $cx (set register's 0 value to 3d only if LedENM is selected!)
$-0 r1 #CMD(04,$w0)
$cx $cx $cx $cx;

[ This Message was edited by: Kriomag on 2008-01-11 10:19 ]

Posted by Raiderski
679
yep

Posted by 679

On 2008-01-11 11:22:03, Raiderski wrote:
679
yep



Raiderski, Kriomag

Thx a lot, will try.

Posted by Randolph

On 2008-01-10 20:06:13, Tomix wrote:
I see many of you change the cam modules... What is this cam module and where to get it and how to change?


You can buy CID36 Cam modules here:
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISA[....]&ssPageName=ADME:X:AAQ:DE:1123

he ships very fast and has good quality cam modules!

Posted by MarkJason
@Kriomag - Your code doesn't work... Black&White still works... And if i put my code it crashes when i select B&W..








[ This Message was edited by: markjason on 2008-01-11 12:48 ]

Posted by jonaugust_69
MarkJason

Try
For my work fine

// Effects, property 8

seq_set_prop_8_0= #CMD(53,00); // Effect normal
seq_set_prop_8_1=$p1 07 $c1 00
#CMD(08,00) // SPOT off
#CMD(53,01) // Negative
$cl // NIGHT MODE
#CMD(53,00) // Effect normal
#CMD(08,01) // SPOT on
$cx;
seq_set_prop_8_2=$p1 07 $c1 00
#CMD(53,02) // Solarize
#CMD(07,00) // Backlight off
$cl // NIGHT MODE
#CMD(53,00) // Effect normal
#CMD(07,01) // Backlight on
$cx;
seq_set_prop_8_3=$p1 07 $c1 00
#CMD(53,00) // Effect normal
$cl
#CMD(53,03); // sepia
$cx;
seq_set_prop_8_4=$p1 07 $c1 00
#CMD(53,00) // Effect normal
#CMD(5B,01) // Bilinear Filtering off
$cl // NIGHT MODE
#CMD(53,04) // Black&white
#CMD(5B,00) // Bilinear Filtering on
$cx;


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[ This Message was edited by: jonaugust_69 on 2008-01-11 15:49 ]

Posted by Kriomag

On 2008-01-11 13:11:37, MarkJason wrote:
@Kriomag - Your code doesn't work... Black&White still works... And if i put my code it crashes when i select B&W..

ok, i know what caused problem i assumed that black and white is value 01 but it is 04 so here you have corrected code:

CMD=06 02 00 01 !1 !0 #CMD_END;
seq_set_prop_8=$s0 %0
$c0 00 #CMD(08,00)
#CMD(53,00) $cl
$c0 04 #CMD(08,01) $cl
#CMD(53,$w0)
$cx $cx;

When You select Black and White in Effects Menu SPOT will be enabled, if You turn effects off SPOT will be disabled (other effects should work as usual)
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[ This Message was edited by: Kriomag on 2008-01-12 15:28 ]

Posted by MarkJason
@Kriomag - Thanks alot! ^_^

@Johnaugust - Thanks for sharing your code... ^_^

Posted by leetiran
@Raiderski
a problem in 6.7.1u. After MFP, tuning zoom to 1.0, the viewfiner looks strange. I think it has sth to do with #CMD(5B,01) in MFP. when i disable it, the problem is removed.

Posted by Raiderski
leetiran
yep small problem. when you enable MFP (zoom x4 and disabled image filtering) and then go back to non-manual focus (x1.0, x1.1) zoom x4 will be canceled but image filtering will be still disabled. this is without effect for snapshots because image filtering state is updated just before snapshot, so nothing more as small visual issue

removed #CMD(5B,01) indeed remove this issue but this isn't solution because in this way you will not disable image filtering in MFP mode (we need disabled img. filt. because of more sharpness which is necessary in precise manual focus). solution is somewhere else, in SET_FOCUS macro:

#MFP_STATUS
$c1 02
#CMD(5B,00) <--- add this line
#CMD(61,00)
$cx

or in better way:

#MFP_STATUS
$c1 02
#MFP_UNSET
$cx


Posted by SonarikK510
Dear great modders! Please, look at K550 camdriver! Maybe you create a great camera driver for our phone! Please! I am tired with my Most High Quality! Is it not "Most High Quality" for real....

Posted by Kriomag

On 2008-01-12 15:57:56, SonarikK510 wrote:
Dear great modders! Please, look at K550 camdriver! Maybe you create a great camera driver for our phone! Please! I am tired with my Most High Quality! Is it not "Most High Quality" for real....

Its hard to mod driver for phone which i dont have (to test driver on it) :/

[ This Message was edited by: Kriomag on 2008-01-12 15:04 ]

Posted by SonarikK510
Kriomag, It is a pity, I heard your driver one of the best. And my development for K550 not especially outstanding
I would like to make SuperMod. But instead of keys EV to use Effects, and instead of keys of a zoom - keys EV. It is possible? (Because in K550 keys of zoom is unactive)

[ This Message was edited by: SonarikK510 on 2008-01-12 15:07 ]

Posted by number1
kriomags drivers are nice, it's not difficult to use some settings from kriomags drivers in the k550i/w610i look at the exposure, sharpness, saturation and jpeg settings in kriomags driver there easily applied to the k550i & w610i, we can use the colour correction from the k750i/w800i drivers, just one thing we can't make a driver with nightmode like the k550i/w610i drivers because for some reason the k550i/w610i can't produce a shutter speed above 1/2 second.

Posted by SonarikK510
Colour Correction is works on K550/W610?


Posted by number1

On 2008-01-12 16:12:39, SonarikK510 wrote:
Colour Correction is works on K550/W610?



yea i know how to code stuff out of other drivers we can even use the nice whitebalance from the k770i in the k550i/w610i, if u want to create a driver k550i/w610i with me pm me, i have created one with loads of stuff from these modded k750i/w800i, i have a idea how to reduce noise aswell but i don't have a k550i or w610i to test anything.

Posted by Kriomag

On 2008-01-12 16:05:12, SonarikK510 wrote:
Kriomag, It is a pity, I heard your driver one of the best. And my development for K550 not especially outstanding
I would like to make SuperMod. But instead of keys EV to use Effects, and instead of keys of a zoom - keys EV. It is possible? (Because in K550 keys of zoom is unactive)

when i started modding i was so lame just look at the first 50 pages, lol
Take Your time, read forum, study modified drivers - thats how i learned to mod
Yes, i think some code from k750/w800 will work fine on k550i - but it takes a lot of time to test it eve if i had k550... without this phone i dont even start

Posted by number1
@kriomag try this in ur driver
seq_set_prop_1_0 = #COM_EVENT(11,80); it turns the whitebalance off it works well in k800 etc, dunno how it will work in the k750/w800

[ This Message was edited by: number1 on 2008-01-12 15:27 ]

Posted by SonarikK510
number1, maybe we let's unite our forces in camdriver modding?
Our work on the single seems to me has led us up a blind alley. The following driver should be simply cardinalю

Kriomag, Thanks for you work.

Posted by number1

On 2008-01-12 16:30:56, SonarikK510 wrote:
number1, maybe we let's unite our forces in camdriver modding?
Our work on the single seems to me has led us up a blind alley. The following driver should be simply cardinalю

Kriomag, Thanks for you work.



yea sure, since were the only 2 modding the k550i/w610i camdriver, my e-mail & msn is maxpower343@hotmail.co.uk, i don't check my e-mails much but i use msn alot during the week, it's best to pm on esato.

Posted by SonarikK510
About max shutter speed in K550
See exif of photo



Posted by Kriomag
I just want to remind You All how good quality can we get removing noise with Neat Image (community edition or commercial):














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[ This Message was edited by: Kriomag on 2008-01-13 09:27 ]

Posted by number1
i use neatimage aswell it's great for removing noise, i don't edit my outdoor pics with it.

Posted by pietropizzi
@ Kriomag and number1

Could you please post your NeatImage profiles for:

K750@ W800 CID49 and
for my K800@ K810

Thank you !



[ This Message was edited by: pietropizzi on 2008-01-12 21:15 ]

Posted by Kriomag

On 2008-01-12 22:11:29, pietropizzi wrote:
@ Kriomag and number1

Could you please post your NeatImage profiles for:

K750@ W800 CID49 and
for my K800@ K810

Thank you !

I dont use profiles, i use automatic

Posted by hillgx
Kriomag v21.93 BETA Camera Driver (01/08)


Night Mode + EV1.0




Night Mode ,other default


This ISO 100





Posted by MarkJason
Just wanna ask you guys... When do we use Infinity focus and Auto Focus?

Posted by leetiran

On 2008-01-12 10:56:59, Raiderski wrote:
leetiran
yep small problem. when you enable MFP (zoom x4 and disabled image filtering) and then go back to non-manual focus (x1.0, x1.1) zoom x4 will be canceled but image filtering will be still disabled. this is without effect for snapshots because image filtering state is updated just before snapshot, so nothing more as small visual issue

removed #CMD(5B,01) indeed remove this issue but this isn't solution because in this way you will not disable image filtering in MFP mode (we need disabled img. filt. because of more sharpness which is necessary in precise manual focus). solution is somewhere else, in SET_FOCUS macro:

#MFP_STATUS
$c1 02
#CMD(5B,00) <--- add this line
#CMD(61,00)
$cx

or in better way:

#MFP_STATUS
$c1 02
#MFP_UNSET
$cx


Thanks!

Posted by Raiderski
driver 6.7.2
link in signature

changelog:
- fix: malfunction of image filtering after manual focus preview on -> off transition
- fix: profile WB setting (if used) is canceled after effect selection in menu, macro on/off or night mode on/off

both issues were not much significant. update isn't necessary but can be done if you have some free time. config tool version is 0.5.3, nothing was changed

as you can see i bought K800. is this the end of 6.x development? i don't know but i don't see any other ways to improve it more and more. i'm not dogged enough to treat this like neverending story. saying sincerely: quality is good, stability too, you can customize simple parameters and advanced settings like profiles, you can even change driver's whole functionality on 6 various ways. complicated enough to discourage potential users


Posted by pimp123
Is there any way of limiting the lowest iso to 125 instead of 100?
I think the ugly yellow-greenish effect we get on night pictures with cid49s appears on iso100 mostly.

Posted by Raiderski
yellow-green color cast on night pictures is also on cid36 camera. this is white balance reaction for specific strong white artificial light. ISO has nothing to do with this

Posted by number1
try turning the whitebalance off, #CMD(11,80)

Posted by Kriomag

On 2008-01-13 21:28:14, number1 wrote:
try turning the whitebalance off, #CMD(11,80)

My driver has Quick WB Change Function, just set proper WB Profile and no 'greenishness' will occur

Posted by Raiderski
WB profiles are too weak to help, at least for all white lights in my city with WB profiles results are: green, cyan (closest) or yellow. color correction is my friend in this case (cyan can be balanced with red). i never pay attention on this but isn't auto WB reaction different for various power (luminosity) of lights? something like small power can be balanced from green to blue but big power will stay at green. hmm, i must check this closely tomorrow


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[ This Message was edited by: Raiderski on 2008-01-13 22:35 ]

Posted by Kriomag

On 2008-01-13 23:07:43, Raiderski wrote:
WB profiles are too weak to help, at least for all white lights in my city with WB profiles results are: green, cyan (closest) or yellow. color correction is my friend in this case (cyan can be balanced with red). i never pay attention on this but isn't auto WB reaction different for various power (luminosity) of lights? something like small power can be balanced from green to blue but big power will stay at green. hmm, i must check this closely tomorrow

and how about #CMD(11,02) ? how this Auto WB works in this conditions? it's very agressive (for example if you point camera at blue color it will remove almost all blue).
Raz w sklepie robilem zdjecie butelek z olejem (zolte), z balansem bieli na auto butelki wyszly normalnie, z tym drugim wyszly jak woda mineralna - praktycznie zero zoltego fajny efekt.





For all:
Camera module comparison:
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CID36 CID49
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[ This Message was edited by: Kriomag on 2008-01-14 08:51 ]

Posted by pietropizzi
OMG ! The second one is exactly the type of picture my son punishes me for ! I showed him all the nice pictures here before x-mas and told what he will get with his new K750@ W800 - but he only got second ones....

As he's 11 a supermode isnt the right for him.... something like a "force low ISO ini all situation over shutter" maybe right for him...
...and for my K800 @K810 too....but thats another story and doesn't fit to this thread

Posted by amarsidhu
two night shots with Kriomag 21.93
k750, cid 49, cid36 cam module



[ This Message was edited by: amarsidhu on 2008-01-14 11:38 ]

Posted by number1
EM_SET=$p1 05
#EM_IN_QUALITY
$c1 00
#READ_REG(23,$r2 1 1)
$m0 1 $/0 28
$c0 00
$m0 1 $/0 03
$c0 00
$cl
$p0 07
$c0 01 #EM_RATIO_NIGHT
$cl #EM_RATIO_NORMAL
$cx
$-0 r1
#COM_EVENT(04,$w0)
$cx
$cx
$cx;

wheres the command, for what scene it's used in????

Posted by myavu
With Sarmad 5.7




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