Posted by osamede
http://www.mobile-review.com/review/nokia-n80update-en.shtml
I was just going back in history and reading this review of N80, which is the closest thing in the Nokia lineup to N95, lacking basically only GPS. That review is prettty damning and suggests that Nokia was not able to succesfuly put it all together in one smartphone.
So are we likely to be dissapointed with N95? That review above makes me think I would not want to be a user of N95 for at least first 3-4 months if at all!
Posted by Dogmann
Hi osamede,
The N80 is only similar in as much as it is a slider, features wise the N93 is the closest to it only lacking the extra 2meg Camera and built in GPS. The N80's problem have nearly all been resolved with the latest release of version 4 firmware and now Nokias also offers at home updating this is no big deal anymore and the N93 has proved to be far more stable and problem free then either the M600 or P990.
So far as releasing phones that are in dire need of firmware upgrades to fix bugs and problems how ever much you may wish to slate Nokia for Buggy phones needing fixes SE are the leaders in this by a long way and not just their smart phones either it evens it even has its own category all to its self the infamous White Screen of Death and of course not forgetting my phone won't charge its dead classic. At least wait until the N95 arrives before trying to find fault with what will be the most advanced and feature packed smart phone in the market. Now i am not saying Nokia are perfect and don't have problems but they are no way the worst culprit of this not by a long way.
Marc
Posted by *Jojo*
I think that the release of the N95 will be a successful one . . . just like how the buying-public patronized the N93 !
Posted by shaliron
Depends how long it takes them to get it out to market. Look at the N91. A true bust, even with such 'innovative' specs. Then it was released at too high a price, and it turned out to be a failure.
I reckon it'll do OK, but SE has got the Sofia as the more market friendly competitor. I think SE will get more of the market than the N95.
Posted by Dogmann
@shaliron,
I admire you confidence but do feel it is not well founded or placed i can't remember just now where i saw it but SE's share of Symbian phones sold is only around 2-3%.
Also Nokia may release phones with a few minor flaws but they do get fixed quite quickly especially now they have their Home update service up and running.
SE are king of releasing buggy phones that actually die irrespective of whether you can update or not White Screen of Death on various models, plus of course the now famous my phone won't charge or turn on what a classic that is.
That's not even mentioning the catastrophe that is SE's smart phones. I have actually realised SE design and produce great phones and then just release them i really doubt they actually employ any beta testers anymore just members of the public to do it and pay them for the privilege.
Of course all of this is only MO but the more i have seen the more i believe this to be the case as sad as this is. SE is all about Sony branding and it appears to be at the expense of Ericsson's quality IMO for Ericsson to survive they need to dump Sony and sooner rather than later while they still have some good will left to capitalise on.
Marc
Posted by *Jojo*
@dogmann - Ata Boy ! Welcome to the Esato's Nokia Elite Club ! Our founder: flying_finn is kinda busy at the moment mate . . . he'll be glad though that you joined - IN
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Posted by shaliron
@Dogmann
No, I know that SE's history with UIQ phones hasn't been the greatest in terms of reliability, but I was thinking more along the lines on if the Sofia wasn't a smartphone. It would be like comparing the N73 to the K800. The K800 ultimately had more users because it is more mass market than the N73.
I'd think that the same would be true for the Sofia and the N95. The N95 would a few hundreds ($) more than the Sofia I would think, and thinking in terms of volume and overall profit, I think the Sofia will do better.
Posted by Dogmann
@shaliron,
In a time not so long ago i was an Ericsson fan through and through in fact if you cut me my blood would run blue Ericsson blue of course. I used to receive equipment to test from the guy that is now Head of Global data products or some such title.
I despised Nokia's for their blandness and being boring i was one of the very few out of my friends that would only use Ericsson products. I was responsible for discovering on the GC-25 data card the fact that on a lot of Laptops the Ariel caused a feedback noise that made it unusable. I also played a part in resolving the issue with IR connections going into a loop and failing to work and worked out a fix for this problem.
Mobile data was my passion and all i did at great personal expense, in those early days of mobile data i would accept products didn't work out the box what ever they said. They named it plug and play but to us in the know this became plug and pray. But in those days the quality of Ericsson products was beyond question they were quality and tested thoroughly prior to release.
I saw the joining of Ericsson with Sony as a positive move Ericsson tech know how with Sony's design and marketing skills. I have been saying this for too long now products are announced and released without sufficient quality control or testing and things have got worse not better.
I do believe in freedom of choice and every ones right to use what they want. I loved and wanted an M600 from its first sighting but after the problems i have had with both the P900 and then P910i i decided to wait to see what others thought as they tried these new product releases had i got an M600 on first release it would of been returned within hours. I got mine just after the release of R9A and the reports of increased stability, i have had no crashes or freezes or even restarts but to say i am disappointed would be an understatement UIQ3 is slow painfully so. The touchscreen is great but only in the right lighting conditions, bluetooth is at best flaky both with the HBH-DS970 headset and trying to sync with the PC suite. The signal strength also jumps all over the place whilst i am at home and stationary the same Sim in my N93 shows full signal strength the whole time.
I have only been using Nokia's since June this year and must say i have been very impressed by what i have found my first was the N70 a S60 2nd edition phone and whilst it may not of been the fastest it was faultless in everything i asked of it. My next phone was a the N73 and my first S60 3rd Edition with a huge improvement in speed and performance a really great smart phone and camera, the first mobile web browser that didn't feel like it was a WAP browser, music and video play was also excellent especially the stereo speakers and a class leading screen in both size and quality.
Now i am own a N93 and at this point in time this is without any doubt the best and most powerful smart phone on the market. The menus and apps all open fast Video play in landscape/laptop mode is stunning no stuttering or waiting for a film to start no problem with file sizes or sound sync problems either. Even the camera although allegedly not as good as the N73 produces results as good if not better than my 5meg Sony camera. Video recording has to be seen to be believed and i am a strictly a point and shoot sort of guy, wouldn't have a clue what to adjust in the settings. WiFi and the Home Media server software is also faultless. To me the N93 is the best smart phone i have ever owned i wouldn't swap it for a P990 and W950 with cash on top. My screen is visible in nearly all conditions and automatically adjust brightness to the surroundings i am in even the keypad gets brighter when its dark. It may not be perfect but the problems i suffered when first bought where minor no crashes freezes or my favourite all time quote "your phone has restarted to improve performance" that has to be the single funniest thing i have ever heard in my life along with the advice on the P990 home page that suggests you will need to turn off your phone and restart it to make it work properly. That has to be the most embarrassing and stupid thing i have ever come across by any manufacturer ever.
I suppose the conclusion i have reached is its time for me to say goodbye to all at ESATO as after all it is a SE fans site and i can no longer class myself as such. For now anyway my manufacturer of choice is Nokia and my OS S60 3rd Edition. I have always tried to be impartial and judge each product and manufacturers on the merits of the products they release but some here can't see the wood for the trees and i really can't be bothered to argue with rubbish spouting fanatics any longer unfortunately ignorance is bliss and some on here are truly blissfull.
Its a shame because i do have quite a bit of knowledge that i am more than happy to share and have only recently hit the magic 500 post, but i think from now on i will restrict myself if and when visiting to the other manufacturers and in particular the N Series thread. As there are many here whose opinions i do value and appreciate i also value their friendship even though its only over the net.
Marc
Posted by *Jojo*
@dogmann - I really took the TIME, reading your last post in this THREAD from START to your name - Marc at the end . . . Never did I realized that the two remaining paragraph of it will be all but - goodbyes . . . I really hate to see members here (specially those which really makes SENSE . . .) leave
You are fully aware though that this is an
site and above other mobile-phone-brands specially that of Nokia will be cursed . . . in one way or the other . . . I've been a true-Nokia fan right from the start . . . but in order to be included in the circle, I have to get me fones too some of which I can say are truly remarkable: K700/K750 and K800 . .. 
Your passion for Nokia fone models has been very evident, from almost every post you made . . . and I just admire you for being candid and TRUE with those remarks mate!
I just hope that you'll find some more time browsing other threads here mate . . . there are Nokia-threads available here also for you to read-on.
Please re-consider your plans of - LEAVING my friend . . . I, for one would say, that you are ONE of the great newbies around . . . I was a NEWBIE then as well . . .
Posted by apolloa
That's a big opinion Marc!!
I will give it to you with the N93, I think it looks great and is a real gadget phone but I don't think it's photos are as good as the K800's. I also think it's too big, bigger then the P990 is too much. Those are my thoughts on it anyway but as it's Nokia's tech demo phone basically then it's bound to be flash and powerful.
IMO though I would say that apart from the N93 and the 3G rubber phone Nokia's are still very boaring and plain Jane. I find the designer series in particular laughable with their little tags like cloathes.
Cudos for Nokia making most of them smart phones though and it looks like SE are following in their footsteps.
You should hang onto your M600, SE will fix the problems one day and then you'll have a great little touch screen phone and something to remember SE and Esato by.
Farewell Marc, I hope you find that Nokia forum you'll be looking for now.
Will the N95 fail? I doubt it, it won't be mass market due to price but it won't fail. As long as Nokia can make the battery last in normal use, otherwise it will fail and be regarded as another N80. I can't wait to see the new Nokia communicators myself.
[ This Message was edited by: apolloa on 2006-11-19 04:11 ]
Posted by *Jojo*
@apolloa - Nope, Marc won't leave . . .
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I liked the Communicator too dude . . . had each model twice or thrice in my possession since then (9210/9210i/9500) . .. not the 9300 and 9300i . . still.
The N95 will never FAIL . . . it might not reach Nokia's expectations . . . but surely will be competitive enough with it's closest - rivals !
Posted by apolloa
Oh good, if you don't leave then it's a good source of info we can rely on and another gadget freak!!
I will say that these phones are begining to get ahead of themselves with all the features and the available battery power, especially WiFi. What we really need are these fuel cells we've been promised for God knows how long!! Help to save the enviroment too.
I've heard the new communicators will have huge touch screens? It's about time they were updated because of the features on WM phones and the P990I.
Posted by *Jojo*
@apolloa - Yup, Dogmann knows something about gadgets . . . and everytime he makes his posts . . . he just reminds me of one of the BEST MODs we have around - honest!
I wonder what Nokia model will succeed the N95
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Posted by shaliron
@dogmann
Look, I sure hope I didn't make you leave for my 'ignorance'
And if I did, I didn't mean to, nor do I think I was displaying any ignorance. I was just answering the thread title, and yes, I don't think that the N95 will succeed as well as some people may think. I hold nothing against Nokias either.
It is just, I believe that I would represent a somewhat 'regular' consumer in the mobile market. I am part of the majority of users who don't currently need or use smartphones. That includes S60, UIQ etc. I have no use for the extras and thats why I go to SE for their reliability when providing good overall non-smartphones.
So maybe I have a different perspective on what success is to some people. Yes, the N95 will be a successful smartphone, but I don't think that it would be a successful mobile for the overall market, and that's maybe where my SE 'bias' may come from. I hope it wasn't classified as ignorance.
I think that Nokia was the king of innovation this year technology wise, but SE did increasingly well in raising their market share and average market price, and Nokia managed to decrease their market share, meaning that all their advancement in technology wasn't accepted as well as they'd thought by the market.
So this is where I think that the N95 would not be the success story that Nokia predicts that it will be. I don't think the market is ready for a phone with an almost 'bloat' of features, and this is where SE will succeed by offering (what I think) will be a non-smartphone Sofia with a 5 megapixel camera for presumably less.
But anyway, I hope that you decide not to leave entirely, and you continue to give your unbiased opinion to our somewhat SE skewed threads
Posted by mib1800
shaliron:
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I think that Nokia was the king of innovation this year technology wise, but SE did increasingly well in raising their market share and average market price, and Nokia managed to decrease their market share, meaning that all their advancement in technology wasn't accepted as well as they'd thought by the market. |
This is nonsense. N-series which are Nokia high-end high-tech smartphones sales has increase 50% quarter on quarter for the last few quarters. This is much larger than the general market trend or even SE market trend. SE on the other hand has done miserably in this aspect as Nokia high-tech (S60) phone volume is something like 20 times of SE. This ratio is much larger than overall phone volume.
So it is more correct to say SE has regressed since the days of P800. Now SE is more interested to make low-tech phones to sell to the average Joe.
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So this is where I think that the N95 would not be the success story that Nokia predicts that it will be. I don't think the market is ready for a phone with an almost 'bloat' of features, and this is where SE will succeed by offering (what I think) will be a non-smartphone Sofia with a 5 megapixel camera for presumably less. |
Dont agree here. N95 will be a huge success in its targeted market segment just like its predecessor N80 was. It is a high end business/media phone and it will not sell in volume like K800 successor (whatever the model is). Nokia will soon announce N73 successor which will compete and put to shame (functionality wise) K800's successor like what the N73 did to K800.
In term of European sales, even N70 which is higher end and more expensive sold as well as the supposedly "highly successful" K750.
http://www.cellular-news.com/story/16738.php
So this trend would be quite likely to be repeated for N73 and K800 and future successors of these.
Posted by bluechips
you can leave now!!
long words are not needed from you.!!
Posted by Dups!
@Dogmann- your points are valid. I too thought the merger was good for Ericsson after the fire incident at the Phillips factory cost them the market share, but since then I hate what Sony has done to Ericsson. I wish the latter leaves the former but I doubt it will work for Ericsson NOW. I'm staying with SE now because of Ericsson but my patience is wearing thin. I doubt that I'd go to Nokia though, I just don't feel them, never did. I guess time will tell unless SE makes some dramatic improvement!
[ This Message was edited by: EMS06 on 2006-11-19 13:27 ]
Posted by Dogmann
@bluechips
If you can't post anything sensible don't post and sorry if big words are to difficult for you to understand you sad little septic tank.
Marc
Posted by osamede
I'm still not convinced. Its a loot on one phone and they have not yet proven that they can put it ALL together.
My wife just got an N73 - nice phone, I feel it is better to operate than my M600i except for my keyboard.....but even that one stutters are frizzes screen all the time.
And then they want to add GPS and WI-Fi to the mix? Its very ambitious. But I think they would have do an incredible job of balancing horsepower and battery consumption on this device. Its not a giime by any means.
Anyway I hope the N95 works - if it does I want to get one. But having gone through M600i and then seen folks experience with P990i - I dont think I will be an early buyer this time around.
Posted by mib1800
I'm pretty sure N95 will be workable. Nokia's been at S60 for a long time. All recent S60 phones (maybe except N80) were stable on release. You should not compare with SE UIQ3 phones as UIQ3 is a newborn OS which will need some time to achieve the stability and peformance of s60.
Posted by *Jojo*
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@blue - Now, c'mon dude . . . Dogmann was JUST pointing/airing what he KNOWS of the handsets mentioned . . . you were once a NEWBIE as well, and just knows how being treated as such
I, for one is a loyal Nokia fan too . . . am quite disappointed as well everytime will be releasing new models which majority has this BUGS issue - white/blinking/screen etc. Never experienced this with Nokia . . . still.
You can discuss your misunderstandings with Dogmann - privately (PM) and not humiliate the newcomer in that manner . . . please!
I hope all is settled now . . .
Posted by osamede
I was just now reading a review of the Fujitsu Loox T830 which is speced similar to N95. In fact it has less resoluton on the screen and only 2MP camera vs 5MP in N95.
Yet Fujitsu put a huge 1550mah battery into that machine - and Nokia is putting 970 or 1100 to power the same? I hope this is isnt going to become another N80 story ie great specs but one day battery life.
Posted by shyam335
Well,thats a different device,different os,platform and TS(?).Only features are similar..
yes,still most people's concern are about battery life..
Posted by Red_Rach
I do have a soft spot for SE phones, but I have nothing at all against Nokia phones, infact I actually quite like them. I certainly loved my 6230i and felt quite sad when I upgraded.
I am eagerly anticipating the N95 and I do hope it's a sucess and the battery life is good. I own a k800 and although being a really good phone at times it has disapointed me. The mark of a good phone imo is when you can keep it for a long time without having the desire for another phone. At the moment the K800 isnt doing that for me and I'd love the N80 but the poor battery life people speak of puts me off.
Posted by mario2004
http://soaileek.net/nokialist/2006/11/18/n95r1/ Here is a link to a N95 preview. Keep in mind this is a sept device - GPS and some other stuff isn't working. I can't help but notice - when Nokia announced the N95 they had a working device to show to the world when SE announced the P990i they come with a paper and promisses. Dogman hit the nail on its head with his comment earlier in the thread. I love symbian and like the S60. The P990i isn't exactly what I would like the public to see in symbian. Sony has one of the worst years in its history and SE feels the 'pressure'. Althou they had a very good year, SE is getting 'milked' by Sony too much. Dogman is right. Ericsson should get out and go on their own. Also some members here should accept that not all people defines devices by the manufacturer ! I classify them by the OS they use ! While I stand by Pxxx or Nxx, I won't bother with a K750 or 6230 :D if this does not make sense to you then ignore my post !
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Posted by Dogmann
Hi all,
If it ships with the same Li-Polymer 1100aMh battery that's in the N93 and you only really use the GPS in the car so should have a cigarette lighter power adapter i can't see battery life being a problem, now Ram on the other hand that's a different story altogether IMO.
Marc
Posted by Residentevil
Thank you Dogman for your valuable long post. Please stay on this forum as we need peeps like you to give valuable input to us SE fanatics. Even if it is the stuff we really do not like to hear.
Posted by mario2004
@Dogman, not all are going to use the GPS in a car. I am flying as a hobby and while I could 'make a plan' while in flight, I certainly would prefer the battery. On the other hand my old Garmin GPS72 does not last much over a day on a pair of cheap AA batt. If the N95 will give me half that much, I will be more then happy. Actually I never fly more then a few hours at a time, weather permitting. Mind you, the N95 will substitute 4 devices while 'up'. Camera/HANDICAM, GPS, Radio/MP3 player (I like to listen to sax music while gliding) and yes, my cellphone
. Also because I know a bit about the S60 OS and Python (programing language), I will configure it as a server and give the Internet address to club buddies/friends. They can use Google earth on their PC/Laptops to 'fly with me' in real-time ! ! ! Further more, Nokia fortunately decided to drop the screen protection to increase GPS readability - now for Joe and the rest it may be a bad thing but for Mario and the likes is a big plus - I hope the outdoor screen reading is even better then the N80's (which is the best for now).
Posted by Dogmann
@mario2004
Sorry man all you flying freaks don't jump into my head as primary users, but you know what if you go flying take a spare charged battery! it's not like its big or heavy. If you have everything working at once you have to expect it to use power.
Marc
Posted by *Jojo*
@dogmann - Just want to ask you here . . . what's the stand-by time of the batt in your N93 mate? For me , that's ONE of the complete-in-feature mobile phone that we have in the market today . . . how that batt last in: average use, stand-by use and torture use (starting from a FULL charge position)
Thanks!
Posted by Dogmann
@JoJo
I don't have an average day but light use 3/4 days, medium use 1.5-2 days Heavy use at least 14hrs approx.
I have my Pop3 E-mails on scheduled download once per hour, use Calendar and Music player and web browsing mainly. I am slowly learning how to shoot videos and stills as Dogs tend not to stay still for long. But will also watch a video here and there sometimes a whole film. I have no issues with the battery and a car charger is always useful for top ups if out and about. I much prefer the keypad on the N93 to any other i like the Big Buttons and find Data entry quick and easy even in Laptop mode. But the i do love my N93 so may be a little biased.
Marc
Posted by *Jojo*
@dog - OK, it's FAIR enough I guess . . . I thought the battery on it DRAINS fast . . . as it's a MULTI-purpose handset. Thanks!