Posted by Ruvjet
http://press.nokia.com/PR/200211/880058_5.html
The Nokia 6800, with its innovative design, is the first messaging device optimized for efficient text input. Mobile professionals can take advantage of its easy-to-use full keyboard for personal information management and messaging or otherwise inputting text. The Nokia 6800 also comes with a high-quality color display, SyncML support, email support, a stereo FM radio, as well as Java and MMS support.** The dual band Nokia 6800 is expected to start shipping in the first quarter 2003 in Europe, Africa and Asia.
The Nokia 7250 is a svelte fashion phone with an integrated CIF camera. Boasting a full color display, support for MMS** and Java, the Nokia 7250 also incorporates a stereo FM radio and tri-band functionality. The Nokia 7250 is expected to start shipping in the first quarter 2003 globally.
The Nokia 6100 phone, the world’s smallest and lightest GPRS, MMS** phone with color display, has a slim, streamlined shape with a wide complement of features. It is a tri-band mobile phone functioning around the globe wherever GSM/GPRS 900/1800/1900 networks are available. The Nokia 6100 phone is expected to start shipping before the end of 2002.
Reflecting today’s trends in bold yet functional active lifestyle attire, the Nokia 5100 combines wearability and durability with tri-band functionality (EGSM 900/GSM 1800/1900) The Nokia 5100 phone also includes a full color display, Java and MMS functionality**, wrapped in a modern design created to inspire people with an active leisure lifestyle. Shipments are scheduled to begin globally in the first quarter 2003.
The Nokia 8910i links genuine materials with functionality and elegance in inspired ways, thereby continuing the successful design path of its predecessors. Offering MMS**, Java, Bluetooth wireless technology, HSCSD and GPRS, the sleek titanium-cased Nokia 8910i is clearly a premium phone in a class of its own. Deliveries of the Nokia 8910i (EGSM 900/1800) are expected to start in the first quarter 2003 in European, African and Asian markets.
The Nokia 2100 is the first mobile entry product, an affordable and easy-to-use mobile phone for voice and text messaging to cater to first time users in low mobile penetration markets in Europe, Africa and Asia Pacific. The Nokia 2100 is expected to be commercially available during the first quarter of 2003 in Europe, Africa and Asia Pacific.
Posted by Knut.G.
My god.
How many products do they have in their portfolio allready???
I find this rather interesting, it almost seems that their approach is flooding the market with models, so that on a regular shelf, u will have 3 Nokia's doing the same things, and 1 phone from each of the other brands . Competing with yourself isnt all that bad I guess, if the customer ends up buying a phone made by the company either way.
The logistics must be hell though. Supporting 3-4 models in every consumer class will cost a helluva lot more than have one or two best sellers. I think Nokia is a bit worried with the changing mobile market, seeing as their only way of keeping their share of the market, is making better phones but this time on an equal playing field. All their recent product releases contain a lot more products than they used to. Somebody arrest me on this if I'm wrong, but I think the current Nokia Portfolio is the largest ever.
Nokia's Picture Messaging and their custom Ringtones is basicly what made them so popular here in Norway over the years. Will be extremely interesting to see how the market evolves now that every manufactorer have those features.
-Knut
Posted by Elite
http://www.mobil.se/nyheter/visa.asp?id=5825&sid=1
Posted by darhys
nokia at the moment are planning 18 new phones for 2003
Posted by Superluminova
looks like se are about 2 die!
Posted by caff
Come on ...........SE.........when are you releasing new products ????
Posted by faca
I've just seen their webcast. Oh my God, they've gone crazy.
Bye, bye, SonyEricsson and rest in peace. 
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Posted by Ruvjet
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On quantity, Sonyericsson are already dead.
They are fifth in the world, not all operators are taking on their products any more..
I'm still hoping they can compete on quality.
They only have to release one killer handset, and everybody on this board would buy it.
But they are still scratching their heads over the P800.
Posted by ihudol
SE will never die! Nokia can release 100 phones in the next year but all together will never win over P800 and SE future phones.
Posted by caff
Yeah...........still no P800 competitor from nokia though.......
Posted by shklar1
Here is a link to official pictures:
http://www.nokia.com/press/nps_photo_archive/main/1,26336,cur_phones,00.html
Posted by jcpsad
they should boost their marketing prowess to be able to catch up and release more innovative cellphones to compete with them!
Posted by Knut.G.
To clarify the point of my previous post. This is not a good sign for Nokia as a Company, it shows that they are indeed very confused about what is happening. This frantic release of phones can only mean they are not selling as well as they would like with the current models. This is indeed a changed Nokia if u compare them to the company they were only a year ago.
Look at the 8910, released not that long ago, it was supposed to be the flagship for Nokia, like the 8810 and the 8850 was. But now, only a few months after released, a successor arrives. Look at all the other phones Nokia has released, and u will see they have 3-5 different models doing the excactly same thing in every user category.
Nokia will crush SE? Maybe, but seriously people, this is the first few models that have impressed me from Nokia, for a long long time, lets wait and see until Q1 2003, and see what the other phone makers bring to the table.
Make no mistake, These latest releases have been hurried, and not part of the long term planning by Nokia IMHO.
Posted by Super G
Knut G:
Pathetic! You must be joking...
Posted by Super G
@ Knut G
Btw, they sold 1million 7650... and will have sold 3 million by year end... They are not selling well ah ah ah ah ah ah
Yeah sure.
Posted by Ruvjet
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Ericsson clearly stated that they wanted to see
win back market share in the next 2 quarters (Q4 and Q1)before they invested in any more money in the JV.
Is the T100, T200 or T300 gonna be the phone that pulls them out of fifth place by april next year?
In the face of everything Nokia will be releasing in Q1 next year?
I think
need to reposition themselves, stop chasing market share, and focus on high-end phones with connectivity to vaios, mavicas, clies and playststions..[ This Message was edited by: Ruvjet on 2002-11-04 13:30 ]
Posted by Superluminova
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but the genral public don't want a p800 do they? no they dont! they want NOKIA phones like , 3510i, 3650, 5100, 6100, 6610, 6650, 6800, 7210, 7250, 7650! 10 colours screen phones! all 4096 colour screens! this is what the general public want, they don't care about fantastic features that se phones have, they want simple, good, easy to use phones, oh and they want to be able to buy them! not have to wait over 3 months more until a p800 comes out do they?
Posted by bruquee
have to agree on the last point. nokia is doing really well right now, while ericsson is floundering and resorting to drastic measures to stay afloat.
am a bit puzzled by the number of new nokia releases though. it does seem like they are just trying to flood the market...
Posted by swazi
Anyone got any pics of the Nokia 6800
Posted by decoy7
hahaaaaaa, suffice to say, Nokia are bending SE over and giving it to them right up th.........
http://esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=12804&forum=3#post159127
fcuk the P800, fcuk SE and now who's playing Nokia game?
Posted by ppcrockar
Well... I think Nokia seems a bit desperate. But I don't think it is SE that they are afraid of. It is the japanese and Korean manufacturers that they are afraid off, and they should be.
SE should focus on High-end phones with lots of features and high profit margins. The massmarket will be very hard. Their high-end phones are still the best phones.
Posted by Knut.G.
Super G:
How am I wrong? or even "pathetic"? Have you even read my post?
To get the facts on the table, sales figures showed that Nokia sold 650 thousand Symbian units in Q3 2002, that includes the Communicator of course, and 7650. The 3 million by end of year is not at all confirmed, and if you dont back it up with some proof(ie showing that they sold about 2.2 million by this date) then it is pure speculation(on this forum, mind boggling).
The total mobile phone market is about 400 million devices, so I wouldnt excactly say it is that impressive any way. U see, Nokia doesnt make that much money on high end phones, most of its money comes from the so called "Youth Segment" phones, that are cheap and light on features. This is where I think Nokia has problems right now. If u read my post, u will see that what I meant was a lot of their released phones do not/did not sell as well as they hoped.
And would u please explain to me Super G, what is the logic of releasing 3-5 phones in every market segment? In my opinion it shows that Nokia is really unsure about the market, and is unwilling to back one horse. And the funny thing is, Nokia never did this before.
My point stands. Nokia has been severely shaken up by the success of the T68 in particular, but also Motorola T720 and Samsung color phones. In the last 1.5 years, they have truly changed as a company, and they have drasticly changed their product lineup. They now have so many competing products, that they could fuel the product lineup for two other companies as well.
Congratulations to Nokia for finally releasing a phone that matches the T68i. It only took them a year, and 5 different product releases. Nokia beating SE? They are merely catching up, and about time in my opinion.
-Knut
Posted by jcpsad
I don't think SE's upcoming releases will compete with these phones... These phones are really state-of-the-art!
Posted by ppcrockar
@jcpsad
Design-wise yes... but not in functionality. And the only one with a nice design of the Nokias released today is the 6100 (which looks nice) the other ones are just ugly. But that's my opinion of course...
Posted by jcpsad
@ppcrockar
yeah your right... i kinda like the 6100... But still nokia was able to come up with these phones in a span of time... unlike ericsson which is once in a blue moon!
Posted by djk
In my opinion, I don't think Sony Ericsson will die......
Just look at the functions of what Nokia new phones provided,
not so innovative or I can say very boring.
They are more or less the same as 7210 and 7650,
but just add some little stuff into each new phone.
For instance, a low quality camera in 7250,
PIM functions in 6800,
some funny features for active users in 5100,
smaller and lighter in 6100,
colour screen and java in 8910i,
and a upgraded version of 3410 - 2100.
They all not surprising for me,
and I don't know why,
I am not interested on all of them.
I have owned a 7210, and I just found it is really boring
and not really nice for me to use.
I would rather use a T300 to get a better feeling and better voice quality.
The biggest problem SE phones have is QC - Quality Control.
Many people always blame on this aspect.
What I want to see is SE can improve the QC,
but not just release some exciting phones with poor quality.
(T68 is a good example. Its microphone quality is poor!)
(Also, the memory system in T68 platform has many problem,
which memory will be eaten by the system suddenly......)
Anyway, I believe that SE will bring a lot of exciting new products shortly to us.
Posted by Super G
@pprockar:
high-end phones do not have as much margins as low end phones, cheap to build. In fact, money comes from low-end phones. High-end phones are expensive to build, and if you want to sell them well, you can't give it a too high margin that would make the price tag unaffordable.
@ Knut G:
Nokia have and continue to create the market. This is their strength, beside a very strong brand. SMS has boomed because Nokia understood it the right way. MMS will boom for the very same reason. Of course MMS is just an example.
Now, on releasing n phones within the same market segments (again Nokia hasn't been surpassed in logistics, unlike SE for instance) it does make a lot of sense. They offer choice to consumers! And that's what consumers want, choice! Everybody is different! You can for instance buy a Volkswagen with different "casing": VW, Skoda, Seat... They're built on the same platform, have many common parts, often the very same engine i.e. relatively cheap to build, yet they are different with slightly different prices. But in the end the consumer is happy, and they all sell! It sells much better than if there were just Golf to choose from.
Regarding 1million of 7650 phones sold (Nokia knows better than analysts how much of these it has sold... and how much they will sell) it is a very high number. Don't forget it is a high-end phone, and only a handful of these high-end phones compared to the global mobile phone markets are sold.
Posted by ppcrockar
@Super G
Well.. I think there are better profit margins on a high-end phone like the T68 than mass market phones. People are willing to pay for high-end phones. It's not much more expensive to manufacture a high-end phone. The components are not that much more expensive. Sure the components cost more but not that much more. But the development cost split on each phone will of course be higher since you don't produce as many. But still the High-end phones can be very profitable indeed.
But on the other I think Nokia has made most money on the Nokia 3210 and 3310. It's the almost the exact same phone (like most Nokias), just some design changes. That is why Nokia could make all thoose money. Because they have almost zero development costs, since they just change designs nothing new... And also they never do enything innovative anymore, they just let other manufacturers test stuff out and then they put the same stuff in their phones and create many similair phones. And they have done that very well so far.
But the competition will be much harder in the next few years. You have to make something innovative otherwise you will loose market share. I bet most phones will come from Asia in a few years...
And I think SE's chance is to be the innovative company that makes phones that attracts people who wants a little more from their phones, not just a standard phone like Nokia.
I think Nokia is a little off with their new phones. Most people that can afford expensive phones doesn't want wierd designed phones they want discreat and stylish phones... not some wierd design.
And young people who like strange designs can't afford these expensive phones anyway. I have a hard time seeing any of these new phones as a huge seller.
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Posted by ShibbyLicious
k so nokia appear 2 b sellin shedloads etc etc
but in reality althoigh it seems a lot it is nowhere near the amount forecast and by mots accounts nokia is struggling - not critically but compared 2 just a yr or 2 ago it is definitely uderperforming
se is still growing although a little slowly for everyones liking
i agree that se make the best high end phones just because they have 100% connectivity
b4 7650 i cud not think of anuvver nokia fone that did it all in a neat package - t68i did all this and more, it did wat nokia 'does best' personalistauon : themes etc
nuthin that has bin sed has been wrong or 'pathetic' (that was harsh) it depends on what your perception of the market is - personally from working within the industrry nokia are shitting themselves and throwing out underperforming products
are releasing steadily (yes i kno p800 is disastrously delayed) top phones bag full of features well designed(thnk u sony) and easy to use (thnk u ericsson)
the main problem is brand recognition IMO - nokia is just THE brand tthat the 'yoof' market is aware of and waht businessman are aware of with their 6210's and 9210's
is a good brand but is that strong
my comparison wud b nokia vs
is like sony vs grundig
both make top kit no odubt - (yes grundig actually won awards in hi-fi and video fileds this yr) but which one wud u rather buy !??!?!
shibby
sony and ericsson made sweet sweet love and gave birth to ickle baby P800, though rather than making peeps happy by bein premture he was a bastard and bout 3 mnths late
@ pprockar - i agree
Posted by Knut.G.
Super G:
Glad u are able to post concrete arguments, instead of the "pathetic" namecalling u did earlier, it makes discussions a lot more fun.
Fact nr. 1:Nokia sold 650 000 SYMBIAN handsets in Q3 2002. That includes the communicator, so that means less than that total is 7650. These are the only sales numbers I can find, so unless u dig up some links to actual sales numbers, these are the only official ones.
Link: http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t412-s2124352,00.html
Fact nr. 2:High end phones have much higher margins than low end phones. The problem is that development costs are higher, so unless u sell shitloads, high end phones will make u less money. Manufacturing costs are not much higher.
Proof:The Nokia 5110 was the same as the 6110, but without the IR port. If u changed the software and got a new face, a 5110 could become a 6110.
Nokia does NOT sell a lot of high end phones these days, and that is the problem, because their low end phones sales are in trouble. Compare those measly 7650 sales to that of the T68, u will see what I'm talking about. The T68 has excellent margins, and sells shitloads. How do I know it has excellent margins?
Proof:The T300 is the same phone(without bluetooth) and sells for half the price. T300 is the new killer phone in the "youth market" and Nokia has nothing to compete with it.
Nokia understood SMS and customization, and they made it big on that, but after that, they haven't understood a thing. I can't even fathom why u speak so highly of a company that has so little innovation.
They were almost last to produce a small factor colour GSM phone
They were almost last to introduce MMS into their handsets
They followed SE's 2 year old attachable camera approach
They have innovated nothing in using camera with MMS, again following SE's lead.
They were almost last to produce a functioning Bluetooth phone
They innovated customization of the phone, only to not develop it further since the 6110.
They were last to the market with a Bluetooth headset
etc....
Do u seriously mean they are a innovative company?
-Knut
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Posted by Orka
I couldn't agree more with Knut.G. and djk.
Although I believe that
has good quality control, or at least acceptable. I think its major problem is poor marketing ( although they offer great after sales services). Look 7650 for instance: a huge thing, lucking basic funtions compared to t68i and of course presented 1 year later than did with t68. I have to say though that they position it very well in the market, with good advertisments of every kind and the result is that people believe that this is a great hi-end phone. It has nothing more than t68.
Regarding the 6 new phones from Nokia, I cannot understand why they offer almost the same product with some minor alternations among these models. All these models and 7210 are identical, share the same software, and more or less the same design. I am really confused by this movement. For example, the major difference of 7210 and 6100 is the weight (7210=84gr. 6100=77).
Obviously all these models belong to the same family. I have to admit though, that 7250 seems to be good since it has the camera on it and of course the features of the rest models. According to my opinion, Nokia has no need to offer so many variations of the same product. I mean, that is would be better to have 7250, 7210 or 6100 or 5100. The later three models are almost the same.
Give for example, a good reason, to preffer 6100 from 7210 or 5100, or compare for instance 7250 with 8910i, which one do you preffer? I preffer 7250 cause it has more features it is a better package and according to my opinion more elegant.
I believe that there is no room for so many models almost identical. 7250 seems good with integrated camera and good features. After a year and more
's t68 has a competitor!!!! Well done Nokia.!
Posted by Ruvjet
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They mentioned something about shipping 1 million 7650's in todays webcast.
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They have the 3510i
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Innovation doesn't neccesarily = market share or profit.
Which is what nokia are all about.
Market share and profit.
Posted by djk
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oh yes. this is a good point.
nokia has extremely good marketing strategy, while SE has poor...
but i think they are improving. at least, for t68i.
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Posted by ryanzb
now this is what you call a thread!
anyways, what i don't know is why Nokia keeps on releasing and releasing a million phone models instead of making a single phone type with a long list of unique features. they must be worried that selling less phone models mean less sales.
Posted by Deltayoda
Pretty soon we can all use our new Nokia phones as doorstops after they begin releasing one model every month, hehe.
Posted by Knut.G.
I can't get the quote thing to work, so I'll do it manually, hehe.
Written by Ruvjet
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They mentioned something about shipping 1 million 7650's in todays webcast.
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Well then this is even worse than the 3 million superG suggested.
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They have the 3510i
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Forgot about that one, seen like 20 new phones from that company, that one slipped my mind. I still think the T300 has the upper end on this one after reading the specs tho, but that doesnt always matter. Nokia will sell a lot of this one.
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Innovation doesn't neccesarily = market share or profit.
Which is what nokia are all about.
Market share and profit.
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My point there was to counter SuperG's statement, that Nokia is so innovative.
But I still think you are wrong on this one. Innovation was what got Nokia where it is today, through exchangable faceplates and exchangable ringtones and backgrounds. The reason I think Nokia now will fail, is just like Ericsson in the mid 90's, they stopped innovating. Pure and simple. Nokia is now where Ericsson was, and they have been extremely slow to take on current trends.
Nokia will never fail as a company, but IMHO their market share will go into a strong decline. To justify their 30-40% marketshare they really have to have a product(s) that completely crushes the competition. They dont. They are not even close. They are at best, on equal terms. In a few years time, Nokia will have about 20% of the market, the rest divided between the other phone makers.
The above is only my opinion of course.
-Knut
Posted by Ruvjet
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I have thought for a while that Nokia's market share would start to decline, but it doesn't happen.
Nokia have decided (and it has been proven by
T68i) that one product that 'crushes the competition' is not enough. T68i has not been enough to sustain market share alone, falling from 11% to just over 5% in the time its been released.
If a customer walks into a shop without any preconceived ideas, sees 6 Nokias and 1 or 2 from every other manufacturer, the odds are far higher that they will walk out of the store with a Nokia.
You say Nokia are now where Ericsson were. This is not quite right.
The handset market is now a replacement market, wheras when Ericsson were in control people were buying their first handset.
A lot of people that own mobiles are not technologically minded, and when they go to upgrade, will not even consider changing from Nokia and learning how to use there phone again. they will just stick with what they know, unless someone shows them something else that is amazing. Because of the power of the brand, a lot of people think Nokia'a are the only phone worth having.
Not everyone spends their time analysing facts and figures on web forums.
Posted by decoy7
my 2 pence:
to be petty i though ti'd address this comment 1st:
"Proof:The Nokia 5110 was the same as the 6110, but without the IR port. If u changed the software and got a new face, a 5110 could become a 6110."
from memory my 6110 had these additional features over the 5110:
1. additional phone memory for contacts.
2. ability to receive personal ringtone.
3. infrared.
4. much lighter.
may not sound like a lot, but please post details of the equivalent Ericsson phone that came close to being compared to the 6110 for features...i think you'll find there's none.
all this talk about SE make the best high end phones is nonsense, what you need to get in your heads is SE made the best phone on the market in the form of the T68/T68i...get over the achievment and progress please...no apologies for offending anyone who has a different model but all the other SE handsets are sh**.
advice: it was mentioned long ago that you shouldnt support phone brands like football teams and now here most of you are unable to come to terms with the fact that the same brand you been slagging off for months has returned serve with a few aces...poor you...continue blabbing on your crap about the P800 brick if you wish but i think its all been said in Nokia's press release.
Posted by Knut.G.
What you need to consider is the delay this effect has. It takes a long time for consumers to change their brand awareness.
I still stick by my opinion, but I will add something I forgot. Unless Nokia does something about the path it is on today, a few years down the road, the marketshare will decline sharply. The keypoint here is if they act on it.
Remember that Ericsson sold a lot of phones still, even after review after review choosed Nokia handsets. They paid for their mistakes several years down the line, and then it was too late.
And when I say Nokia is today where Ericsson is, I'm not talking about the market, I'm talking about their dominance. Nokia needs to justify their high marketshare. This isn't like Microsoft, where they can sleep tight knowing that 99% of all the PC's sold are running MS software.
Nokia is still a hardware company, although they do not like that, cause they see the problems I state here. That is why they have started licensing Series 60 to other manufacturers, they WANT to become an OS company, and define the standards that way.
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Because of the power of the brand, a lot of people think Nokia'a are the only phone worth having.
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And you dont think the Nokia brand weakens when they are at a party, showing off their new 7210, and then a guy with T68 shows the Matrix screensaver, with everybody going "That was cool!! Matrix!!!!"?? How do you think Nokia got big in the first place? Ericsson was among the top 3 brand names too you know.
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Not everyone spends their time analysing facts and figures on web forums.
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That is the whole point. I work as a salesman, people dont want options, they dont want a million different variations. They want the choice to be easy. Choosing between 6 almost equal phones is not. I have years of experience on this, and regular joe always gets confused. That is the beaty of T68, the only thing it is missing is exchangeable faceplates, but the inside is good for every demographic.
One phone can carry a company. Remember that SonyEricsson is doing ok financially. I bet that 5% marketshare is 70% T68, and that's a helluva lot of expensive phones.
-Knut
Posted by Dark_Man_zo
Nokia 8910i
http://www.telfon.net/ezine/info.php?brand=nokia&model=8910i
Nokia 7250
http://www.telfon.net/ezine/info.php?brand=nokia&model=7250
Nokia 6800
http://www.telfon.net/ezine/info.php?brand=nokia&model=6800
Nokia 5100
http://www.telfon.net/ezine/info.php?brand=nokia&model=5100
Nokia 2100
http://www.telfon.net/ezine/info.php?brand=nokia&model=2100
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You make some very good points, especially about the Matrix screensaver at the party, but we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one. I honestly don't think one phone can carry a company. You need to have at least 2-3 options, if only for design purposes. For everyone that complained about 8310, they gave them 6510. For everyone that didn't like 7210, they gave them 6610. Everyone that didn't like the T68i..... probably bought a Nokia.
I really hope
can refocus and turn out some amazing high-end product before the end of the year, but I don't think it is likely.
Posted by bart
trust me
will soon introduce new phones and an update of a phone that's already on the market. wich one i can't tell because the phone is being updated to an new Txxxi desing because it sells great.
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When is soon?
A week?
A month?
And if they introduce now, when (bearing in mind P800 debacle) will they be on sale?
Posted by manuela
NOKIA--- we love you,thanx GOD that you exist!!! SE fun-club members are dying from anger=jelous!!! SEEeeee it is your LAST-CHRISTMASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Posted by Orka
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Don't you see that this conversation is serious? It would be good idea to keep a good level when discussing different things.
If you want to have fun, try something else, not this particular topic.
I don't thing that anybody from the participants has problems with nokia phones neither feels jelousy. After all, we spent our money on buying several phones.... What can stop a rational customer from choosing each time the phone which suits its needs?
Posted by Johan
SE is going down bigtime!.. and i am so glad that i have sold my crappy T68 and swapped it for a beautiful 7210!!
Second place is the first looser!!!
Posted by Gustaf
will kick some but after the new products are released............
Nokias for instance........
65000colours.........
camera etc etc etc etc
But Nokia is doing well with that 4096 colurs displays. The phones 7210 7250 (+camera), 6610, 6010, 6100 are almost the same but NO one except 8910i contains BLUETOOTH. Can you guys tell how many of them that has wap2.0, Voice dialing, Email client, Voicememo and 12long hours of talktime try hard.
Posted by Orka
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So, are you happy with your new device? Good for you pall! Keep your phone and your opinion for yourself. We don't care if you hate
and love Nokia. Its your problem.
Posted by decoy7
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speak for yourself, i come here to rubbish you people chatting sh**...and there's lots of you!
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If you don't like what we discuss here, don't read. So simple, but guys like you cannot understand simple things.