Posted by sambouka
On 2007-09-24 16:18:10, darknoob wrote:
W890:
-12MM thickness
-3.2MP (Don't know if AF/non AF)
-made of metal
source : (with new pictures)
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_[....]_successor_leaked-news-314.php
[ This Message was edited by: darknoob on 2007-09-24 15:31 ]
Well nothing new, I would rather call this another clone of the T650i.
After the emotional T650 (& the Cybershot K770) , here comes the Walkman version (W890 or whatever). (and surely not a true successor of the W880 with 3mm of thickness).
Clones, clones, clones...
Posted by goldenface
No PSP or Bravia handsets for the UK I'm afraid. Although this shouldn't be taken as we won't see and DVB-H enabled handsets - hopefully.
Posted by laurenke01
Similar to how the W960 is the Walkman version of the P1, can we expect that Mooi is the Walkman version of the P3? Is that a fair assumption, spec-wise?
Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
[ This Message was edited by: laurenke01 on 2007-09-24 16:35 ]
Posted by C905
then the MOOI will look like this or what?
Posted by tomasz.luch
Maybe MOOI will look something like this (thanks to Xajel photoshop concept):
Of course without slider mechanism. Just front of it.
Xajel: BTW nice concept!
Cheers
Posted by laurenke01
In the sense that it has a speaker, a screen, and navi buttons on the bottom, yes it will look like that, but it won't look like that specifically.
@Tomas: That would be amazing. Not too sure about the d-Pad (none of the other UIQ phones have them)...but the rest is great.
[ This Message was edited by: laurenke01 on 2007-09-24 17:34 ]
Posted by C905
On 2007-09-24 18:32:35, tomasz.luch wrote:
Maybe MOOI will look something like this (thanks to Xajel photoshop concept):
Of course without slider mechanism. Just front of it.
Xajel: BTW nice concept!
Cheers
i hope so
Posted by tomasz.luch
@laurenke01
I just matched this nice concept to the last rumour, that MOOI will have 6 keys and navigation pad (d-pad).
I think that UIQ with dpad won't be something new - P990i had it on the flip. This one here is more eyecatching.
Cheers
Posted by laurenke01
And now that I've stared at the picture for the past 10 minutes, the D-pad has kind of grown on me. I like the green.
Naturally, this isn't representative of what Mooi will look like. But it's nice to dream.
I hope this (and the P3) are spec'ed to the brim. I need something to match/exceed my N95 and I want a SE again.
Bring on the quadband and GPS and the rest will slide into place!
[ This Message was edited by: laurenke01 on 2007-09-24 17:48 ]
Posted by sealover94
Any info about the inches of the screens ??? (P3 & Mooi)
I hope that Mooi's screen will look like iphone's screen....otherwise ...i'll buy an iphone...
Posted by cristiano
On 2007-09-24 18:32:35, tomasz.luch wrote:
Maybe MOOI will look something like this (thanks to Xajel photoshop concept):
Of course without slider mechanism. Just front of it.
Xajel: BTW nice concept!
Cheers
i agree with you
Posted by sealover94
Posted by kaiba
sealover94, Nice but Windows OS ..... is such a bad idea.
Posted by sealover94
[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2007-09-24 19:11 ]
Posted by domipost
Nice!! I hope Mooi will be like that.
@shaliron
Why don't you update the first post (you only write update 23-09-2007: .............., and don't update the post for real)
Posted by technical-expert
Possbility of next
Sony ericssons next P-SERIES would be approx 125 grams
SUPPORT FOR HSDPA,UMTS
AND STiLL 256k
BUT 480*640 Res Touch screen
2..8 inch screen
5MP Autofocus with Flash
WiFi 802.11b/g Support instead of b only in P1i
Symbian os 9.1
Probably could be uiq 4
Probably 160 mb internal memory,Probably m2 expansion slot
Probably GPS
probably wap 2.0
Probably C++ support
Thanks
Posted by bodeh6
Will the P3i be powered by the U360? (QuadBand GSM/EDGE + Triband HSDPA like Z750i/K850i)
Posted by laurenke01
On 2007-09-24 21:11:59, bodeh6 wrote:
Will the P3i be powered by the U360? (QuadBand GSM/EDGE + Triband HSDPA like Z750i/K850i)
Oh, I so friggin' hope so. That should be standard on all high-end devices.
Posted by domipost
Yes, that would be really nice. Triband HSDPA in all high end devices
Posted by brix25
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That's awfully mature!
Posted by sealover94
Maybe but after comparing my p990's screen with iphone's screen it looks soooo small....
Posted by laurenke01
The 2.8 inch screen on the P3 (and presumably the Mooi too) is going to be a lot larger than the P990's, unless I'm missing something. I mean, the P990 has a square screen, right?
It's just less than an inch smaller than the iPhone's screen.
Posted by JuanPablo
Can't wait for the W880 succesor
Posted by HamsterVil
WoW!!!! that Xajel concept of MOOI is....MOOI(i mean its a reall beauty..i think thats what is supposed to meen mooi as someone said once)
I hope it is something like that and its avaible for my bday on march next year
SE hasnt dissapointed me till now on the high end
and hope it doesnt change anytime soon
Posted by rss_ndrsn
On 2007-09-24 20:49:53, arunvc wrote:
Possbility of next
Sony ericssons next P-SERIES would be approx 125 grams
SUPPORT FOR HSDPA,UMTS
AND STiLL 256k
BUT 480*640 Res Touch screen
2..8 inch screen
5MP Autofocus with Flash
WiFi 802.11b/g Support instead of b only in P1i
Symbian os 9.1
Probably could be uiq 4
Probably 160 mb internal memory,Probably m2 expansion slot
Probably GPS
probably wap 2.0
Probably C++ support
Thanks
If what you posted is true, then, again, P3i's specification doesn't live up to what a 2008 high-end phone should have; with the exception of the screen and, maybe, Tri-band HSPDA, as well. The specification is quite a year behind. I expected it to have more advance features such as Wi-fi n, Quad-band HSPA, 8 gb internal memory, at least 3.0" screen (16.7 million colors screen, 760 dpi) etc. P3i, if what you posted is true, almost have the same specs as N95.
I just have this feeling that 2008 will not be any different with 2007. We are just going to get some bunch of mid-tier or low-end solutions. I hope my intuition is wrong.
[ This Message was edited by: rss_ndrsn on 2007-09-25 06:02 ]
Posted by shaliron
@domipost
It's already updated
@sealover94
The screen size should not be the deciding factor when picking a phone.
The Mooi will almost certainly have more features than the iPhone. HSDPA, better camera, hardware keys so that you can use the phone with one hand and play games, and not permanently locked (under threat of bricking) to an operator.
@laurenke01
Here's a comparison of screen size (and the P990/P3i have a screen which is similar to a television 4:3):
So it does look quite a bit smaller, but it isn't all bad, because it makes the phone a little smaller (narrower). But it would be nice to get widescreen soon (although it seems Japan will again have it far before we do).
@rss_ndrsn
Wi-fi 802.11n? No phone will get this in the next year. It's not even standardised on computers yet, let alone on small battery operated phones. Also, you should realise that 802.11n is only useful for home networking, not internet usage, because the theoretical speeds (and practical speeds) are far greater than any consumer or business broadband connection in existence.
And the other features you posted are just impractical and would add to the cost of an already expensive phone. It seems as though you are just a features 'whore', who just likes to have the latest and greatest features, despite the fact that quadband HSDPA is very, very niche, or that having a price tag of >$1000 and a battery life of <1 day is fun.
Perhaps a bump up in internal memory could be considered, but again, that would kill the W960 sales, and it would cost a bomb. There is always the Mooi or W960 for users who want that much memory, otherwise you can just buy a large memory card.
UPDATE:
- P3i specifications (see first post).
Posted by Prom1
On 2007-09-25 07:23:53, shaliron wrote:
@domipost
It's already updated
@sealover94
The screen size should not be the deciding factor when picking a phone.
The Mooi will almost certainly have more features than the iPhone. HSDPA, better camera, hardware keys so that you can use the phone with one hand and play games, and not permanently locked (under threat of bricking) to an operator.
@laurenke01
Here's a comparison of screen size (and the P990/P3i have a screen which is similar to a television 4:3):
So it does look quite a bit smaller, but it isn't all bad, because it makes the phone a little smaller (narrower). But it would be nice to get widescreen soon (although it seems Japan will again have it far before we do).
@rss_ndrsn
Wi-fi 802.11n? No phone will get this in the next year. It's not even standardised on computers yet, let alone on small battery operated phones. Also, you should realise that 802.11n is only useful for home networking, not internet usage, because the theoretical speeds (and practical speeds) are far greater than any consumer or business broadband connection in existence.
And the other features you posted are just impractical and would add to the cost of an already expensive phone. It seems as though you are just a features 'whore', who just likes to have the latest and greatest features, despite the fact that quadband HSDPA is very, very niche, or that having a price tag of >$1000 and a battery life of <1 day is fun.
Perhaps a bump up in internal memory could be considered, but again, that would kill the W960 sales, and it would cost a bomb. There is always the Mooi or W960 for users who want that much memory, otherwise you can just buy a large memory card.
UPDATE:
- P3i specifications (see first post).
BEST post YET in this Entire thread thus FAR!
Especially regarding 802.11n (lol, hilarious someone expected this when its STILL a draft), and also regarding screen density. I'd rather the smaller more pixel dense & screen clarity ... keeps the screen immaculate.
Regarding Windows Mobile Professional in an SE ... it was just about a matter of time really. Its become so powerful media wise and application support is incredible (only S60 comes close currently).
I'm VERY happy that my dream phone is NOW an SE concept in the planning stages instead of my own "dream drawing board". Symbian Cybershot. I just hope its UIQ3.1 1-handed stylee.
Posted by rss_ndrsn
On 2007-09-25 07:23:53, shaliron wrote:
@sealover94
The screen size should not be the deciding factor when picking a phone.
I think it's a matter of preference. People have different taste.
@rss_ndrsn
Wi-fi 802.11n? No phone will get this in the next year. It's not even standardised on computers yet, let alone on small battery operated phones. Also, you should realise that 802.11n is only useful for home networking, not internet usage, because the theoretical speeds (and practical speeds) are far greater than any consumer or business broadband connection in existence.
I exaggerated my post, intentionally. I did it to make fun of P3i. P3i features are so 2007-ish.
And the other features you posted are just impractical and would add to the cost of an already expensive phone. It seems as though you are just a features 'whore', who just likes to have the latest and greatest features, despite the fact that quadband HSDPA is very, very niche, or that having a price tag of >$1000 and a battery life of <1 day is fun.
Impractical for those who don't need it!
Do you expect a feature pack phone to cost less?
Have you played around with a device that has a really nice screen? And after playing with it for hours, do you expect the battery to last 'till the next day day.
Perhaps a bump up in internal memory could be considered, but again, that would kill the W960 sales, and it would cost a bomb. There is always the Mooi or W960 for users who want that much memory, otherwise you can just buy a large memory card.
Nokia release an upgraded version of N95, the N95-8gb version. Would it affect the sales of, let's say ,N81, or N95?
[ This Message was edited by: rss_ndrsn on 2007-09-25 08:40 ]
Posted by shyam335
Good thing for us is there is always news leaks from taiwan..
I haven't seen a new smart phone platform since,say p990..
have se abandoned r&d?
and is that the reason new orders are going to htc?
Posted by shaliron
@shyam335
Well, if the P3 is UIQ 4, then we know that SE is continuing R&D on UIQ. I doubt that they would abandon it after they bought it from Symbian.
Still, maybe they know that they have to eventually switch to WM to gained market share in the smartphone/business market. Maybe UIQ will become their platform to develop touch screen phones (like Mooi). HTC must just be a cheaper and quicker option at the moment (because they have no expertise at WM), and that way SE can put more resources into UIQ and Java development.
And UPDATE about the first post. It's too big now. I've just been updating all the information for each rumoured phone, and there seems to be a formatting problem with the post.
I think there is some type of character limit per post, which I believe is 45,000 characters. So the 'false information' section has been cut, and I'll stick it further down the first page. I think I'm going to shift all the 'old' info down to a post further down, so there may be a few changes to the layout.
Not to mention an even bigger change. But we'll leave that till later...
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[ This Message was edited by: shaliron on 2007-09-25 09:47 ]
Posted by technical-expert
i can see a gaming phone apporaching with special gaming keys and motion sensors but not psp branded .there could be annnouncement around 11th feb,2008
[ This Message was edited by: arunvc on 2007-09-25 11:01 ]
Posted by shaliron
UPDATE:
- The gaming phone will have dedicated gaming buttons and motion sensors. It may be announced on the 11th of February, 2008.
- There may be an announcement on the 11th of February, 2008.
- The SO905i will not have a 2 step slider design. That was only a concept.
Posted by sambouka
On 2007-09-25 12:01:02, arunvc wrote:
i can see a gaming phone apporaching with special gaming keys and motion sensors but not psp branded .there could be annnouncement around 11th feb,2008
[ This Message was edited by: arunvc on 2007-09-25 11:01 ]
arunvc you're hilarious
A kind of nostradamus !!!
What else can you see?
Posted by shaliron
@rss_ndrsn
I forgot to reply to your comment.
I exaggerated my post, intentionally. I did it to make fun of P3i. P3i features are so 2007-ish.
2007-ish? I'm sorry, but I really don't know what else you'd like to see implemented on the phone.
Widescreen? DVB-H (which I still think is not for 2008)? That's the only thing that I can think that would be 2008-ish.
Impractical for those who don't need it!
Do you expect a feature pack phone to cost less?
Impractical for who? It's impractical for Sony Ericsson.
You know what? Appealing to a niche market of people who would spend enough money to buy a good laptop is not good business sense. I never said no one would buy it, but how many do you think they'll sell at >$1000?
If they managed to sell 100,000 phones at that price that'd be amazing. Even so, wouldn't it be better to sell 1,000,000 of them at $800 instead?
Nokia release an upgraded version of N95, the N95-8gb version. Would it affect the sales of, let's say ,N81, or N95?
Well, that's cos the N95 8GB is the successor to the N95. I can guarantee that the N95 will be cut down, or even discontinued to make way for the N95 8GB. That's going to be Nokia's flagship for 2008.
And the N81? Well, that's actually very much crippled compared to the N95 8GB. The camera is its biggest weakness, not to mention screen size.
Posted by darknoob
Why all you guys trust arunvc? is something of his talks really happened?
Posted by remirez
[...]P3i's specification doesn't live up to what a 2008 high-end phone should have; with the exception of the screen and, maybe, Tri-band HSPDA, as well. The specification is quite a year behind. I expected it to have more advance features such as [b]Wi-fi n[\\b]...
I don't hink you will find Wifi N aytime soon in any handheld device as it would drain the battery very quickly. I'm no engineer but it's said to work over 100m even through walls and at a much higher speed rate than the G norm, meaning the power required would be far greater than what's used on the G protocol. I don't think any hadheld device would have battery efficient enough to consider this option.
For the rest of the specs, you can't really tell if it will be outdated or not. The radio used (quadband UMTS/HSDPA) will have its importance as well as the user interface, the GPU and the CPU which we don't know anything about.
Posted by domipost
Yes, i thought that too. Maybe he hasn't got any real info.
btw. Yes, MOOI means beautifull in dutch
Posted by remirez
On 2007-09-25 08:54:50, rss_ndrsn wrote:
I exaggerated my post, intentionally. I did it to make fun of P3i. P3i features are so 2007-ish.
How? care to explain?
Posted by laurenke01
The switch to WM to next year in a new line of phones sounds similar to what Palm did with the 750, and trying to break into the European market more. That move is probably the only thing that is keeping that company afloat now.
SE has little to no presence in America, unfortunately. The release of WM phones may be a break into that market.
I'm gunning for Mooi currently--but I am INCREDIBLY excited for the UIQ Cyber-shot phone, expecially since the K850 has everything I'd want in a phone...sans a touchscreen and GPS, which the UIQ phone will probably have.
I just don't know if I can wait that long.
I'm excited for November, yet don't want to be disappointed in case the P3/Mooi are Euro-only devices. Hopefully by 2008 SE will realize that if they stick 850 in their phones, people over here will buy them.
Posted by mario2004
You people, how sure are you about SE bringing out a WM6 OS phone? Keep in mind SE has the potential to sell many more devices then for example HTC, which means Micro$oft will ask a hefty licence fee for each and every device sold ! I am not so sure SE will be able never mind happy to pay that
On the other hand Uiq has been paid for a few months ago already
Posted by razec
I would like to see Cybershot and Walkman Flagships powered by UIQ 3.1 alongside with a powerful CPU and sound chip(for walkman) Separate Imaging CPU for Cybershot and both having an ATi or Nvidia GPU
Windows Mobile for SE phones?, nah! i'm not interested anyway
perhaps it wont be as expensive as those nasty WM phones sold atm
Posted by rss_ndrsn
On 2007-09-25 14:23:55, shaliron wrote:
@rss_ndrsn
I forgot to reply to your comment.
I exaggerated my post, intentionally. I did it to make fun of P3i. P3i features are so 2007-ish.
2007-ish? I'm sorry, but I really don't know what else you'd like to see implemented on the phone.
Widescreen? DVB-H (which I still think is not for 2008)? That's the only thing that I can think that would be 2008-ish.
Why do you wanna know? As if you could do something about it!
It's too early to tell! We haven't heard yet of what other manufacturers have to offer.
Impractical for those who don't need it!
Do you expect a feature pack phone to cost less?
Impractical for who? It's impractical for Sony Ericsson.
If it is impractical for Sony Ericsson, is it impractical for Nokia or any other manufacturer, too?
You know what? Appealing to a niche market of people who would spend enough money to buy a good laptop is not good business sense. I never said no one would buy it, but how many do you think they'll sell at >$1000?
If they managed to sell 100,000 phones at that price that'd be amazing. Even so, wouldn't it be better to sell 1,000,000 of them at $800 instead?
Wouldn't it be a lot better to sell a million of that at $1000 instead? That's what superb marketing strategy can do! Don't you think?
Nokia release an upgraded version of N95, the N95-8gb version. Would it affect the sales of, let's say ,N81, or N95?
Well, that's cos the N95 8GB is the successor to the N95. I can guarantee that the N95 will be cut down, or even discontinued to make way for the N95 8GB. That's going to be Nokia's flagship for 2008.
And the N81? Well, that's actually very much crippled compared to the N95 8GB. The camera is its biggest weakness, not to mention screen size.
I don't really think that adding 8gb internal memory to P3i would have any effect on Mooi or W960 sales. Those three phones are intended for different buyers. People will buy phones that suit them most.
By the time P3i sales' starts, W960's price will have gone down already.
It wouldn't be that hard to choose which one to buy. And Mooi, they really aren't that similar, for me.
Posted by shaliron
It's too early to tell! We haven't heard yet of what other manufacturers have to offer.
Well, you complain about the lack of features - features that are yet to exist? So how can you complain that the features are 2007-ish, when they could very well be 2008-ish as well.
The P3 certainly matches the N95 8GB (bar the 8GB memory, although there is memory expansion), plus some more, with the high-rez screen, QWERTY keyboard, better GPS etc.
And the N95 8GB is what I would a 2008 phone; it certainly is Nokia's flagship for 2008.
Have you not noticed that features have relatively stagnated in 2007? Have you noticed the increasing trend towards touchscreen phones? Have you noticed that the manufacturers are aiming to increase usability through UI features instead of spec sheets?
I've said previously, that I really reckon that features are plateau-ing, and what's really going to be big in 2008 is user friendliness. Yeah, as much as some of us dislike the iPhone, there is no doubt that consumers want phones which are fun, easy, and interesting to use.
If you asked me in 2006 what I'd like to see on 2007 phones, it'd be easy. Video quality, HSDPA, larger screens, and internal memory. But this year, the fact that you nor I could name any features that are essential on a '2008' phone illustrate that there is very little in terms of hardware that we could ask for (with current technology).
If it is impractical for Sony Ericsson, is it impractical for Nokia or any other manufacturer, too?
You do know the size difference between is quite large? They can suffer more loss (or less profit) than Sony Ericsson, because as a larger company, they are able to stretch out their resources further.
Wouldn't it be a lot better to sell a million of that at $1000 instead? That's what superb marketing strategy can do! Don't you think?
A million @ >$1000 with a slimmer profit margin, and marketing costs? Nup. They conduct market research, and obviously there is more profit to be made by splitting up their portfolio rather than target a small market niche (and it is very small).
And as a final statement (because I can't be bothered arguing about this anymore), is that Sony Ericsson will never go into an all out specifications war with Nokia. They won't win, and they can't win. Nokia is bigger, can spend more on marketing, have brand recognition, have the more supported OS, has more money to burn on R&D, and can afford to lose some money at the same time.
Sony Ericsson has only recently moved out of making losses. They can't compete against the best, so instead they target their own market niches, and focus on what they're best at, which is user friendliness and diversity. This also explains why they'd decide to use HTC instead of their own resources, to develop phones on the WM platform.
UPDATE:
- Added more W890 photos.
Posted by kotsianis7
ABOUT W890i:
i think it doesn't have auto focus.If you look at the spy pics of its camera menu it doesn't have the icon of auto focus or of the macro shots....But maybe i'm wrong,as it can have it and just hasn't shown in this foto....Also,i notices this little hole in its back which(in phones with auto focus)is to help camera focus....Well,i'm a little confused i guess..
Posted by goldenface
I was just thinking this. The other little hole could also be for the ambient light sensor although the positioning near the camera would suggest AF.
Hopefully it is.
Posted by domipost
I haven't seen a autofocus icon in the menu ever. Is it there in the cybershot menu? I don't really know that menu, but i don't think there is a autofucus icon.
And no macro doesn't mean no AF
Posted by beca
A housing arrangement for a mobile communication device comprises first and second housing sections connected together and movable relative to one another between open and closed positions. The first housing section includes a display that is substantially concealed by the second housing section in a closed configuration. The second housing section includes a window that reveals a portion of the display in the closed configuration. In the open configuration, a touch sensitive input is accessible through the window in the second housing section.
via JUSTAMP
Posted by goldenface
^^ Looks like part of a patent application.
Posted by benitorios
yes this was posted on mobile-review a few days ago, part of a patent application.
and it looks strangely like that concept picture that has been around for some time, picture of a slider with the screen coming out from under.
Posted by domipost
Why the screen from under? It doesn't seem handy to me