Posted by shaliron
Here's what I can draw from those (improved) spy shots:
- The ratio of the screen in those spy pics is 4:5, which is the ratio of 176x220. But I don't think a 176x220 screen could render graphics as finely as what is shown. Look at it, the icons at the bottom of the screen are very small, might be too small for a 176x220 screen, but perfect for a QVGA. Very confused, but I'd bet a 176x220, purely out of ratio.
- The Ai is around 106x46x9.4mm big. So around the same as the K800, only slimmer, maybe it'll be a tiny bit wider (but less than 50mm I think).
- The Ai will come in both black and silver (like I said
).
- The Ai has no flash.
- The Ai's numerical buttons are about the same size as the gaming buttons on the K800.
I like the Ai better now
I always knew that SE wouldn't make any mistakes, so those earlier shots were earlier prototypes.
Still, the buttons are tiny, and the dpad looks like no fun to use. No flash for the camera (unless that
logo is meant to light up) is a bit sad.
Looks wise, it's more of a grower. I'll like it quite a bit eventually, just like the K800
The silver one is much better; remember the black Ai has a completely orange back!
I never liked the X820, and the Ai is a much better looking device.
On the other hand, the W200 is looking very nice for a low end. Don't know why they had to put a joystick in though, especially because it's a
phone.
UPDATE:
- SE is out to make a gaming mobile. And no, not a PSP phone.
Posted by shaliron
And look what I've also found!
Reflections of the devices which took the pictures, and both of them seem to fit the initial descriptions of two very big phones.
The first one looks like an N93 style clamshell, at least in the way that he is holding it, except it'd have to be an
phone. Could it be the Euro version of the W44S?
And the second one looks to be the back of a highly anticipated phone - the Sofia. And the Sofia looks to be in red, just like the K610, and has a circular lens area.
Big stuff.
Posted by Andrew7724
oh my goodness.... i am shocked.
I have always liked sony ericsson's designs. i thought they bring the best looking phones, but this portfolio... um.... not very impressed.
It looks too metallic I think, too much shiny silver things on it. The motorola RAZR, that metal finish was briliant, but this management of metal wasn't so good.
I think it is possible that when it is released the design will change. I really hope they change. The phone has good potential i think, but the design of the keys are .... not very good.
Other than the design, I think Sony ericsson has a very strong tech spec line. I like their new strategy of separating the Walkman line and the camera line.
Posted by bodeh6
That pic of the Ai looked sharp. Must be because of the CCD 5MP on the Sofia.
January can not come soon enough.
Posted by mustafabay
@shaliron
I can see you are seeing reflections in the phones. The on in the Ai could be a phone or a camera, but the reflection in the K800 has fingers aka a hand.
Posted by xumdeo
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I can confirm these 2, the z800 successor went back to drawing board as the k800i and z610i are selling well enough. you can see parts of the work realized on the so903i. there're a couple of issues
1. walkman branding vs vodafone's (and hutchison 3's) music service
2. cost: if SE were to release something like s0903i outside japan, it'll be as expensive as sharp 903. the money went into the screen, the stereo speakers and the camera module now. will people still pay for it when Europeans are so extremely price elastic. the target crowd would be the 903 upgraders, might as well take advantage of Sharp since they're reacting even slower, and the crowd that is just done with the 903 contract.
3. supply: will there be enough Yamaha chips and 2.7"-3.0" screens? will the technology go outdated by the time the factories have saved up stocks for a global launch?
4. external panel design (and software to come with that): 2nd color screen? illumininated music buttons? or just flashy light effects? or the mirror OLED
the cancelled swivel looked almost like an iriver clix, a lot bigger of course, pulled off last minute when the sales manuals were in print. made way for the w44S. no promise of re-using the design. the thing was a bit flimsy and unpopular within the development team
update: ah might as well give you a glimpse of the cancelled device, does no harm really, you can reflect to SE if you really like it
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Posted by rockygali
good job... is this really with
's coz i cant see no logo there.
but a very good job supplyin us hard evidence.
Posted by Andrew7724
are you saying this unit is real and was cancelled!?!?!?
oh my goodness, this is much better looking than the previous shown with the metal finish etc. why did they cancel it? what's wrong with SE?
thanks for the pic anyway
Posted by xumdeo
it is indeed by SE, staff in London should have played with it too.
now would somebody like to confess?
the screen is 2.7", so you can predict how big this thing is, and how hard it is to make the swivel hinge sturdy
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Posted by rockygali
so thats why they cancel it? theyre havin difficulties attaching a sturdy swivel device.
how bout you? you have some firm insights about these... what are the reason for canceling... just because K800 are doin good sales doesnt mean they hafta stop from there... they could play around with more attachments right?
Posted by xumdeo
they realized that swivel is not the only formfactor that can be used when it comes to digital-TV devices
SE japan has a really strong sense of SONY in them, that the product has to speak loudest for the company. as you can see from all of the SE domestic mobile phones, they all have a really strong wow factor
SE at that time considered the swivel as boring, the swivel hinge is a problem, but the biggest problem is that they thought the first SE digital-TV phone must have something more unique, in order to capture a larger fan base. so they waited for the digital radio to become ready, and shoved everything into the dual-hinge W44S.
that's the story
eventually the W43S settled for a 12LED flashy external panel with exchangeable facets. (yes, the swivel phone is supposed to be called W43S if it were to be released, and the 12LED thing was only used for marketing analysis)
the W44S went for the dual-open mechanism, trust me the final product is already looking much much much better than the old prototype (I think i've posted pics of that old proto on mobile-review before..)
both of them are (and going to be) bestsellers, the so903i is also really popular, just right behind sharp sh903i, but that's expected
Posted by SloopJohnB
What r the specs of ´Ai´?? It seems like a slim w800/w810 with probably worst cam (2.0mpx without autofocus). I didn´t like the design... it looks cheap and unfinished and may i say what an awful keypad solution. What happened to the good old days when
still used to make really confortable keys like t630/k700? The ´ai´ is probably just an opportunity for to cash on the same platform for the third time, using a diferent design. The only thing that would make these phones more than a simple grasp for money would be the presence of big internal flash memory (like 4gb), then it would have something new tech wise and it would look better for the brand and it would have a least ONE thing new. However, i believe this phone is adressed to the mid/low end market so it will probably be cheap and have no flash memory. K800 is still the best mass phone at the moment and it will continue to be for several months if things continue like this.
Posted by PeterKay
Do you guys think this will be the final product! or will it still be changed in design by
??
Posted by intelegent115
i would like SE to make a phone in size of T66 or T600 with a basic specs.. i think if they could make it very small and nice looking for a decent price of cource it could be a hit. Not only top notch phones sell!
Posted by goeul
Ai is not ugly, it is extremely ugly. I really don't know how they could come up with this design.
Posted by goldenface
@Xumdeo
So what was Ophira? Was that the cancelled device? Was it 3.2mp?
We can see why the cancelled device was flimsy as the pivot was above the at the very top handset.
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Posted by >500
@goldenface
if you remember the k800i had similarities to the already released at the time s903i (dont know if thats the right model number, jap phone though with 3.2mp) features wise, etc...
So i would have to say the Euro Bravia phone will be similar/based on the w44s, so should be either a flip/hinge, or even a swivel, even though
said no more swivels....
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Posted by goldenface
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I'll assume you're referring to the SO902i. I am sure that was a smartphone but the K800i wasn't far behind in the cam department.
Its my guess that the W44s will be heavily restyled for the Euro market and it will have to have a hinge and/or swivel to accommodate that huge screen anyway.
That W44s is definitely a Sony.
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Come on its not all that bad
They will certainly come up with a better design in the future, but as its a first for
with a thin phone, its not that bad.
Posted by goldenface
Regarding the last pic, is it just me or is the phone curved at the top?
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Posted by PeterKay
Looks curvy all around. The screen size would be much bigger if they removed the black outline surroundings or made it thinner.
Posted by shaliron
@xumdeo
Thanks for that. Really like the LED lights. I'm a sucker for gimmicks like that
@SloopJohnB
The Ai was said to have specs of the W850, but it looks more like a
K610 in specs.
@goldenface
It looks like it, but it's just the lighting methinks. The said shot shows that the phone is perfectly flat.
@mustafabay
Yes, the hand is holding something:
And a real camera doesn't take such blurry images. Only camera phones have an element of blur due to the lens size.
I'm convinced that that is an SE camera phone of some sort.
Posted by PeterKay
Could be the next HandyCam type phone being held!
Posted by cristiano
from f300 review at mobile review
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With the release of another Walkman-branded solution in January, which sports comparable dimensions and fundamentally better specs, Samsung F300 will lose even the slightest change of holding on the shelves for a little while even if it outdoes the Sony Ericsson’s offering price-wise
Posted by goldenface
@shaliron
In the bottom pic it seems like it has a round, silver lens cover like the S700i.
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Posted by PeterKay
Also the bottom pic reflection looks like the back of the K700i !!
Posted by >500
and also towards the middle of the phone some writing looks to have been rubbed out. Maybe it says
, very possible....
Posted by shaliron
@christiano
I think Eldar was talking about the Ai.
@goldenface
Yeah, the original and the best lens cover design.
One of my favourite SE phones.
@PeterKay
It does doesn't it. Wouldn't have noticed that, but the phone looks more squarish.
Posted by goldenface
Plus, the right end of the phone in that pic looks to have some sort of edging, as if it has a sliding keypad or something. Strange!
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Posted by PeterKay
well spotted, wonder what model that could be!
Posted by shaliron
I sure hope it's the Sofia. I'm dying to see the K800 successor.
Posted by goldenface
@Peterkay.
Sofia?
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Posted by cristiano
and i hope that sofia has better sound than k800
at least like Z610
Posted by PeterKay
Thats my Sisters name
Hope it is, want to see a picture of the handset, can't wait
Posted by shaliron
If it is the Sofia, the image quality isn't too shabby. Very much like the I-Mobile 902's picture quality.
Posted by MR
People that is a N95! It is a Nokia N95 that made that pic of both Ai models. Check the back of the N95 and compare then with the pic below.
MR
Posted by >500
also in top right hand corner of the phone next to the finger, i cant tell 100%, it sort of looks like the new connector for charger etc, on the side....
Posted by goldenface
@MR
Booooo! Hisssssss.
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Posted by PeterKay
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Don't mention the word Nokia in this thread
Posted by shaliron
@MR
You are very right. The blurred out text does look like NOKIA. I can distinctly see the 'A'.
Bummer
EDIT: Which means the other phone is probably an N93i.
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Posted by MR
:S Ok it is a device from a brand from Finland. It starts with a N and ends on okia. The device is something starting with a N also and ending with 95.
Ok?
MR
Posted by PeterKay
Thats better.
Posted by goldenface
I wish we had some spy pics of Sofia - the suspense is killing me.
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Posted by shaliron
And I called the picture quality 'not too shabby'. Damn
On second thoughts...
Posted by PeterKay
Put "pics of Sofia" in google and see what you get
Posted by dr_thug
Sofia speculations turned out to be N95!!!
AI looks cool...but the buttons look tiny...is it meant for fashion concious girls??And is the back side black rubber???And how thin is the Samsung ultra??Is AI thinner than Samsung ultra?
I would like to see some designs along the lines of the canceled swivel phone.
Posted by shaliron
@dr_thug
Thin, as in 9.4mm thin. Not nearly as tall or wide as Samsung's X820, so overall it's a smaller phone.
And I like the back material. Sorta like the W950's material.
Posted by PeterKay
Why would someone with inside
info be using a Nokia phone to take pictures! This should be banned i say totally banned...
Posted by BobaFett
any specs of the k610 successor?
Posted by >500
i have liked this design since the first day it was shown... Too bad its fake....
And the 'cleaner' versions shown further down the page are also very nice:
http://www.techzonept.com/showthread.php?t=80847