Posted by S4k1s
So here I was the other day wanting phones with big screens, and then this pops up.
Scary... lol
Posted by kreacher
Oh no, so SE will intentionally cripple video recording in Sofia to sell another model. Come on SE how many different series do you want to have? Can't we just do with the cyber-shot for all imaging related goodness and the Walkman series for the music buffs.
If it substantially brings down the price then I'm fine with it but if its just a marketing strategy to make more money
Posted by bavlondon2
On 2007-05-18 14:12:24, >500 wrote:
video orientated phone? @bav?
you do know the handycam phone idea is DEAD ages ago.
care to explain a little on this video phone?
Its only natural to save such a spec for a high end UIQ model or even high end non uiq model.
Posted by Mizzle
On 2007-05-18 15:28:15, bavlondon2 wrote:
On 2007-05-18 14:12:24, >500 wrote:
video orientated phone? @bav?
you do know the handycam phone idea is DEAD ages ago.
care to explain a little on this video phone?
Its only natural to save such a spec for a high end UIQ model or even high end non uiq model.
Erm.... Then why would they do it, if you'd please tell me. I mean, you just wrote "or even a high end non uiq model". Which sofia will be. So, why?
Posted by my ninja
bav >>> a spec to be thought about or a spec to be released this year ... and why would crippling a tech in a phone not make users find out how to enable it. if its there and its just not being used, im more than sure some resourceful ppl will be able to enable it, or a firmware upgrade if the demand is there. IF the phones can do it then it would be possible to enable it ... esp if the software on the phone can handle it. im paying for storage it should be of no consiquence.
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Posted by >500
and sofia isnt high end
the k series, k750, k800.... phone is always a high end phone..... if it has qvga video, it will be @30fps. not 15....
Posted by JC08
Hope u guys are right bout the 28th May....
Posted by poutsaras
Guys,guys,guys...Why are we talking about resolution only?I think that the most important thing is the fps.Just think how good would be the video recording in our K800's only if we had 30 fps!The larger the resolution,the larger will be the video in our pcs!I don't tell you that the resolution isn't important but the most important is a natural motion of video,not just some frames..That's my opinion!What's the use of QVGA or VGA resolution if the only thing we can view are just some frames..?
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Posted by soane28
I find it frustrating to think that Sofia can handle VGA 30 fps video and SE might not offer it on the production model. Sofia will be highend as SE will get, not to mention handycam series is dead and current cybershot cameras offer VGA 30 fps. At least the camera will not be dissapointing...
Posted by poutsaras
Let's hope that the video recording quality will be @30 fps..I don't care too much about resolution..
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Posted by bodeh6
If the lowly Nokia 6233 announced 1.5 years ago was considered a mid range phone and had VGA video recording at 15 FPS and stereo speakers, then SE should make Sofia at least up to these specs. Mind you the 6233 only had a crappy 2MP camera fixed focus. If you are making a 5MP flagship camera phone, VGA recording is a must. That is too high end of camera specs not to include VGA recording.
Posted by bavlondon2
On 2007-05-18 15:46:01, poutsaras wrote:
Guys,guys,guys...Why are we talking about resolution only?I think that the most important thing is the fps.Just think how good would be the video recording in our K800's only if we had 30 fps!The larger the resolution,the larger will be the video in our pcs!I don't tell you that the resolution isn't important but the most important is a natural motion of video,not just some frames..That's my opinion!What's the use of QVGA or VGA resolution if the only thing we can view are just some frames..?
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What are you talking about framerate and res are just as important. Res is the size after all.
500 i have it on good authority that it WILL be only 15fps QVGA.
A lot of people on here claim to have seen it and they also claimed Feb announcment then April.
I said ages ago that October would be the release date as that was rubbished and since then its come out that I wasnt far of. Only by a few weeks into September.
Trust me its going to be 15 fps QVGA only.
When i say reserve a higher res for high end phones i mean for example future w and p/m range models.
Posted by Mizzle
On 2007-05-18 16:38:57, bavlondon2 wrote:
What are you talking about framerate and res are just as important. Res is the size after all.
500 i have it on good authority that it WILL be only 15fps QVGA.
A lot of people on here claim to have seen it and they also claimed Feb announcment then April.
I said ages ago that October would be the release date as that was rubbished and since then its come out that I wasnt far of. Only by a few weeks into September.
Trust me its going to be 15 fps QVGA only.
When i say reserve a higher res for high end phones i mean for example future w and p/m range models.
Hmm.. Let's see.. If it will only be 15 fps then what good would it do with QVGA recording? Nothing.
Seriously dude, what's this thing with "its come out that I wasnt far of"?? you weren't far off? ooh okay, i'd like your source on that. i'd call that guessing. and i really honestly think you're desperate right now. Earlier today, you PM'ed me about sofia's announcement and those dates - several times actually. I thought you were sure about it and had "good authority" on it, as you call it.
Lastly, why should a
phone have better video recording than a cybershot / dedicated camera phone? Not to mention, an m-series phone? give me a break...
Posted by Script
On 2007-05-18 14:56:35, kreacher wrote:
...If it substantially brings down the price then I'm fine with it but if its just a marketing strategy to make more money
Its just a marketing strategy to make more competitors for phones from another brands. IMO
Posted by poutsaras
I think that Walkman & Cybershot are just for marketing purposes..If SE was those phones to be at the top,then their effort would be bigger..For example,see Walkman phones..Some phones of Nokia & Samsung are better on music..Tests on Mobile-review say that..W300 for example can't play all those music files that K800 can & doesn't have stereo widening effect & music quality is the same as K800!What's the meaning of buying W300 instead of K800?Just an example of where marketing works or no..
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Posted by bavlondon2
On 2007-05-18 16:58:55, thecoolsha wrote:
On 2007-05-18 16:38:57, bavlondon2 wrote:
What are you talking about framerate and res are just as important. Res is the size after all.
500 i have it on good authority that it WILL be only 15fps QVGA.
A lot of people on here claim to have seen it and they also claimed Feb announcment then April.
I said ages ago that October would be the release date as that was rubbished and since then its come out that I wasnt far of. Only by a few weeks into September.
Trust me its going to be 15 fps QVGA only.
When i say reserve a higher res for high end phones i mean for example future w and p/m range models.
Hmm.. Let's see.. If it will only be 15 fps then what good would it do with QVGA recording? Nothing.
Seriously dude, what's this thing with "its come out that I wasnt far of"?? you weren't far off? ooh okay, i'd like your source on that. i'd call that guessing. and i really honestly think you're desperate right now. Earlier today, you PM'ed me about sofia's announcement and those dates - several times actually. I thought you were sure about it and had "good authority" on it, as you call it.
Lastly, why should a
phone have better video recording than a cybershot / dedicated camera phone? Not to mention, an m-series phone? give me a break...
Yeah your right why would a walkman phone (w900) have better video than a cybershot (k800) phone. I really dont know that one mate lol
And as I also said in the PMs i had seen a lot of conflicting information which was why I was asking you. As for my source well be realistic who on this forum openly gives that information. I said October (which was also said by someone on MR) and that was dismissed yet whats the true outcome?
What happened to all the inside info
"i have a feeling it will be 12 feb" and it just keeps going on.
The truth is you dont know any more than the next hoper on here coolsha.
Whats the big deal if it is QVGA anyway? Its better than QCIF right? And its not like SE are always at the front spec for spec against Nokia or Samsung for that matter.
Thank you.
Posted by kreacher
I would happily accept QVGA (or CIF) @ 30 fps instead of VGA @ 15fps. 15 fps is choppy and the videos are pretty useless.
Posted by bavlondon2
Indeed. Plus its eats up so much memory. QCIF/CIF 30fps is a nice balance and gives good results if your just playing back on the phone.
Posted by bodum
I don't know what I'm missing, but I don't see the exact point of this new phone. what sets it apart from the w850i? is it made of metal? better screen? 'new' features? and the w850i also looks far better.
Posted by cristiano
new info from playdead at M-R
(Want to add that so long awaited UIQ non-TS phone will appear soon, having 3,2 mp camera, qvga screen )
Posted by mustafabay
It replaces the W850. Bigger screen and alot slimmer and since it it has the same controls as the Z750 it could be quadband GSM + triband 3G with HSPDA. I'd think that would be enough. Although I'd like to know if it's autofocus or not.
Posted by taikira
@ Bodum:
main differences with will be:
metal body
larger screen
smaller size (a little bit I think)
maybe autofocus on camera (I think it will be)
Walkman 3.0
HSPDA
And maybe other stuffs (I'm not in god's secrets
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Posted by bodum
I don't see any autofocus branding on the camera, though. and would HSPDA, larger screen and a metal body be good enough for what might be considered a replacement? it's only a bit better than the k800 vs k810 debacle I think.
Posted by mustafabay
Well we have yet to decide wether there is a red light for focusing in the pics. But yes it definaitely is enough for an upgrade. Shaving 8mm off is quite an achievement and .4" on the screen's diagonal isn't enough? They didn't do that much on the K810 so I don't see the parallels.
Posted by taikira
I think there is AF with the camera.
If no, what is this red ray of light just above the cam's lens? I laser weapon for casino royale II?
Posted by alrodlop35
I don't think it'll have auto-focus since it's so thin. But if it actually turns out to be a non-touchscreen smart-phone that could be the LED for messages, etc...
Posted by dxreaper
The auto focus camera module on the K750i is about 1cm or under. Wouldn't be surprised if they managed to create a thinner module for that.
Posted by soane28
It will also have walkman 3.0 which sounds like a decent upgrade from walkman 2.0 which is on the w850. And w850 was the first with walkman 2.0 and it sounds like shinobu will be the first with walkman 3.0 so theres another reason to call it a successor.
Posted by razec
bur T650 has autofocus 3.2mp camera at a mere slim 12mm=D
Posted by alrodlop35
But the T650 doesn't get split in half by being a slider.
Posted by shaliron
Well, Sofia should be much higher spec'd now that it's been delayed until a Sep/Oct release. I could easily imagine that it will get VGA 30fps recording to make it superior to the rest of the range.
QVGA @ 30fps could become standard to the other phones, and better video recording would be another feature of Cyber-shot phones.
And that red light next to the camera doesn't look like a focus lamp; it's too dim. Perhaps it's just an indicator light or maybe part of a series of light effects.
And notice the keylock slider on the back above my name (picture is below). It's pretty similar to this mystery slider on the T650:
Some more photoshopped black Shinobus:
While I don't mind having a orange phone, the reddish tint is not really that attractive. Nor do I like the el-cheapo calling keys.
Posted by iqtidar
that looks better than the all black one....
Shaliron
i think that is to open the battery cover just like in the k550
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Posted by shaliron
@iqtidar
Oh, thanks for pointing that out about the T650.
And also, having a few issues with the thread displaying correctly in Opera and IE7. It works fine in Firefox (another reason to get it), but I'll correct it soon.
Posted by icaka
about Shinobu - I think its SE's answer of the N81.Don't forget we got Shinobu's pics a little bit after we knew about N81.They are really similar spec-wise - music phones,2mp camera,slider form factor,QVGA screen,gaming keys and so on(from the info we have now).Maybe Shinobu is a smartphone,which makes it on par with the N81 to some extent(and its possible to have a graphic accelerator).But I doubt Shinobu is gonna have WiFi.
The only thing that I want to know is what is the storage capacity of Shinobu - thats where it may lose the battle with the N81.Except if it has SDHC support or similar flash memory,but its less likely IMO.
Posted by shaliron
@icaka
I doubt that Shinobu will be a smartphone. It's just a W850 successor for the masses.
The N81 will almost definitely be priced higher.
Posted by londonlad123
Looks like a good phone. imo se are now releasing phone that are really appealing. p1i, t650, shinobu and possibly sofia are all phones that I would be willing to pay for.
Posted by shaliron
And another update:
- Sofia and Shinobu will both have 2.4" 16million colour BRAVIA branded screens.
I hope all these little extras like screen size, screen colour depth and HSDPA are worth the wait for Sofia. Bet there'll be more!
And I hope you guys like the refresh of the first post.
Posted by cristiano
On 2007-05-19 11:46:48, shaliron wrote:
And another update:
- Sofia and Shinobu will both have 2.4" 16million colour BRAVIA branded screens.
I hope all these little extras like screen size, screen colour depth and HSDPA are worth the wait for Sofia. Bet there'll be more!
And I hope you guys like the refresh of the first post.
are you sure about this ??
Posted by shaliron
@cristiano
Well, that's what Ronka has said at MR. He seems quite confident, and personally I believe him. It doesn't sound that unreasonable, or else I wouldn't have mentioned it.
Posted by Script
On 2007-05-19 11:46:48, shaliron wrote:
And another update:
- Sofia and Shinobu will both have 2.4" 16million colour BRAVIA branded screens.
Man, that's a very good news.
rulez!
Posted by lefty888
Well, it seems that Lizzy is alive:
http://mobil.idnes.cz/dve-taj[....]c=A070518_204622_mob_denik_ada
That article says Lizzy is P1 without both cameras, which seems logical to me, Lizzy = M610. May, 28., seems to be the date.
Posted by intelegent115
Does that include wifi and added ram?
Posted by iqtidar
Ronka from MR said that sofia will be a hit for the next 10 months beating all nokia phones including n95 except the communicator line...
and he said that specs and release date would be announced soon... if it is true im not getting an n95...
Posted by icaka
interesting,its good to know we are not waiting for a disappointment.
@ shaliron about Shinobu - I don't say it'll definitely be a smartphone,just speaking hypothetically.In fact,I'm more interested in Adriana(of the sliders I mean,otherwise Maria is my girl
),but Shinobu is kinda SE "trend-shower" to me.Shali what makes you think Sofia and Shinobu will have BRAVIA screens?Somebody on m-r said so?Or the fact they'll have 16mill. colours?Btw,aren't all SE Japan phones with BRAVIA displays with WQVGA resolution?
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Posted by kura998
Hello
I've just found this Sony Ericsson x123i on the Polish auction system... Here you go http://allegro.pl/item1949327[....]dyny_na_allegro_lodz_raty.html
BTW:If you want to see a more photos of Mobile-Phones Prototypes, plz come here www.prototype-review.com , i have a lot of photos, of Prototypes
Posted by SE cz
@kura998 Oh god
I'm interested about these 6 days to avaliability 
. Price 528 Euro? Not so much.
(A ty odkial jestes? No nieumiem zaviele po polski, ale trochecke tak
)
Posted by taikira
@ Kura
Thanx for the auction link, but somebody already posted it few pages before
Posted by SE cz
On 2007-05-19 12:04:59, lefty888 wrote:
Well, it seems that Lizzy is alive:
http://mobil.idnes.cz/dve-taj[....]c=A070518_204622_mob_denik_ada
That article says Lizzy is P1 without both cameras, which seems logical to me, Lizzy = M610. May, 28., seems to be the date.
It has Wi-Fi, UMTS, no EDGE. source: www.mobil.idnes.cz
Posted by cristiano
@shaliron
i don't think a mobile with the same size as K610 would have 2.4 inch (sofia)
bravia +16 million colour +scratch resistant+2.4inch
ain't that too much
Posted by mazi
we see sofia in 28/5 ??