Posted by Mizzle
Just got this from a
employee...
I'd call T650 a mid to high-end product...
hint hint hint..
Posted by Script
On 2007-05-10 18:19:19, bodum wrote:
@driftmania, script and whoever else...
....you have a right to complain that SE doesn't have this or that, but what's the point? just get a N95 or whatever it is you like. it's May, and SE hasn't even revealed half of their portfolio this year. they might be taking their time, the new products might not meet YOUR expectations. at the end of the day, it shows in SE's market share.
Relax my friend. I'm not complaining on
, I'm very sad because many people changing their se-phones for another brand (you know what brand I'm talking about ) because this brand gives to customers high-tech phones. Second thing - I'm very sad that having so big potential not using it in products. P1 is a little drop in the sea 
And as for me - if
don't anounce walkman 3.2mp until august I'll buy T650 because I like it even with this small screen
Posted by >500
from mobile review: (user- bvm)
"Cross your fingers, members. On Russian forum Eldar said that T650 will probably has (surprise)VGA video recording at 30fps!!!. Current proto has QCIF. The final decision will soon. Sorry for my bad English."
hmmm, lets await the 'final decision'...
Posted by bodum
yeah, I wasn't angry at anyone in general, just a bit frustrated with driftboy's moaning. you can read his posts and see why it would frustrate me
...
SE does have the potential, but it's doing whatever it does to establish a firm hold on the market first. honestly I don't want to see SE do a Nokia and start rushing into 'experimental' products. look what happened to the p990i? and how many users of n95 would stick to the phone come this year end? at the end of the day, I would rather prefer quality over quantity. even a 5.0MP camera can't beats the quality of a 3.2MP camera sometimes. I think you get my meaning.
and hold firm, I'm sure SE does have something up it's sleeves. patience brings good things
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Posted by JC08
If its up 2 the final decission I wouldnt be surprised if the recording gets 2 be QVGA @ 15 fps...
Posted by my ninja
my question is why not do the announcements the other way around. if they know that they will sell these plastic budget phones later in the year, just in time for the christmas sales explosion and give "us" "power users" what they want far earlier in the year then everyones happy! they still sell all the phones they need to however now they are stringing us along ... i tell you that this 5mp phone better be the nice shit, (every camera feature in their new G1 cybershot sans touch screen and 30fps video and hsdpa 7.2 and a kilelr battery life, or its not worth waiting for, everyone knows itll be $500+ when it comes out). cuz right now keeping it under wraps is hurting their fanbase, no one cares about these announcements of a t250, why waste an announcement on that??? the ppl that are buying it will find out about it when it gets picked up by tmobile or att, and walk into the mall for a new phone for whatever reason. they arent concerned about release dates, they just see a new shiny toy for $49 with a 2 yr contract. the ppl vying for announcements want something to read a spec sheet, a nice picture with the design language thats more closer to the release version than a few pix from LAST YEAR!!! the P1 was a nice touch but the T650 again, no one really cares its a mid tier phone thats not 3G, i call it laziness. no one needed the K810 they didnt need to make it, this arbitrary stop gap to lengthen the life of their old candybar cshot to hold off on releasing the new one. it was a waste of production time and research. and its annoying that we have to wait. i mean we dont have to but what are our options? nokia HA! motorola ... (did i say that?) a pocket pc (hardly). is it so hard to say hey, i know your waiting thanks for being patient heres a clip of our progress, are we not entitled to something FOR helping spread the word of a good cellphone company that makes quality phones? you have half the board yelling at the tpo of their lungs for SOMETHING, itd be nice to get a crumb from the table.
ps: the buttons on those phones are hideous! k800 are very nice!
Posted by kokosalaki
On 2007-05-10 18:53:56, my ninja wrote:
the P1 was a nice touch but the T650 again, no one really cares its a mid tier phone thats not 3G, i call it laziness.
actually, T650 IS 3G enabled and if you'd look over the esato you'd probably
notice that there a few people interested in it as not everyone has 500 $ to
spend on a phone. And why the hell would you need 7.2 HSDPA on a mobile
phone??!!
Posted by daviep
@thecoolsha.
hint hint hint about what?
Posted by jack00
there is also a higher end candy bar in the making
Posted by xumdeo
it shouldn't be 500USD when it comes out, more like 450, i think
but don't they overprice everything by 20% in england? (e.g. ipod)
[ This Message was edited by: xumdeo on 2007-05-10 19:21 ]
Posted by my ninja
why would i need 7.2 on a mobile so i can pair it with my laptop, so i can pair it with my desktop, so i can make sure that i can get anything that i want at speed! its necessary to me at this point, especially having to wait this long. asking that question is like MS saying youll only need 256kb of ram (remember that?)
and rally the T650 is a decent phone i was just really upset, and i did think i read that yesterday, but its UMTS/Edge im not sure w.e to each his own.
and really if you dont have 500$ to spend my post shouldnt concern you, it wasnt written for those folks, it was from the perspective of a person who can, and really wouldnt think 2x about spending that much on a mobile.
thats what the T250 is for, those who want something but dont need or want everything, I WANT EVERYTHING! if i spend that much on a phone im not looking to upgrade anytime in the future, its a long term expenditure.
all i want are some decent pictures, i mean even car manufacturers give their test mules some air every now and again, i dont need to know whats exactly in the phone (i guess) but i would like to see what im waiting for. if its aesthetically pleasing then hey great if i find it ugly id at least like some time to think about it ... having to wait on this fence is giving me some back spasms. id like to think they care, but i can see from this "new" game plan they shit on the ppl that accepted them when they made 5 phones a year.
Posted by Mizzle
@daviep - well... t650 is one of the most advanced non-smartphones - if not the most - from
right now. but with him classifying it as a midend. well, that's gotta say something about the upcoming ones. 3,2 mp in a midend, which means 5 mp will be the new standard in most highend phones, which we'll see quite a few of.
cant say more
Posted by mustafabay
What makes a T650 more advanced than the K810? I'd put it on par with the Z750.Merge the two and that would be high end. I never really thought of the T650 as high end and I'm surprised people do.
No K630s coming by any chance?
Posted by soane28
Looks like Nokia has leaked the true n73 successor and competitor to Sofia:
http://symbianguru.typepad.co[....]2007/05/nokia_n82_imagi_1.html
Surprisingly similar to prototype sofia, with SE keypad, Xeon flash (they have finally joined the race) and cam half way down the back with mechanical lens cover. Will be interesting to see a quality comparison of both their 5mp cams in the near future!
[ This Message was edited by: soane28 on 2007-05-11 02:54 ]
Posted by mib1800
if the N82 specs is true, then it will be a dream phone. Sofia will have huge shoe to fill to be able to compete with this.
Posted by razec
that seems very true, but i'll bet on sofia, as the guy said prefer quality over quantity in which SE phones since S700,K750,K800 have proven.
the flash will not be engineered very well. it will prove nokia's mediocre imaging knowhow compared to SE.
5Mp images will sport "again" the strong JPEG compression problem as N95 did. carl-zeiss name is being exploited and destroyed by nokia in an effort to Pull consumers that if the lens on nokia is poor then the sony's carl-zeiss is the same too. how dare them!
poor Nokia, anyway SE did really show us the power of SONY over the imaging technology.
Posted by JC08
Looks like it can just be proto pics, coz if you check the battery life it sais (target), and i think the battery on that is gonna suck big time....
Posted by rss_ndrsn
I understand now why they include Walkman 3.0 to Sofia's features. I bet SE's might loss the sales this time. Good Luck!
[ This Message was edited by: rss_ndrsn on 2007-05-11 05:53 ]
Posted by xumdeo
i'm afraid the n8x devices (at least the model numbers) do exist, it was leaked about 3 months ago on another forum and then quickly deleted, pics were already up at that time adn the design looks slightly updated now, if these pics are legit
and as long as they run fast enough, I might get them
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Posted by bodum
where did you hear that sofia would have Walkman 3.0? as long as the specifications aren't released, nobody would know. and just a bit of speculation in terms of logic, but why would the K series have a Walkman player on board? what would that do to the W series?
on the T650i, it's not a high-end phone in terms of technological specifications, but rather a 'premium' phone with a very complete sales package. much like the Nokia 8000 series I would say.
Posted by kreacher
Now if the N82 specs are correct it could be the real challenger to Sofia.
Posted by rss_ndrsn
Didn't MR say that? I knew it from him.
Posted by xumdeo
the price tag will be very different, hence appealing to different crowds
(look how low K800 could go, originally it was planned to be at the s700i price point when it's out, but with n73 round the corner, the decided to slash prices)
given how the N95 pics look now, i doubt nokia could really fix those over-processed pics (oil painted faces, anyone?)
Posted by soane28
Bodum, look at mobile reviews nokia N95 review, last paragraph.
xumdeo, do you know anything of Sofias camera quality? You seem confident that Nokia cant improve their photo quality enough for SEs offering? Its quite obvious anyhow but just saying.
[ This Message was edited by: soane28 on 2007-05-11 07:43 ]
Posted by mib1800
On 2007-05-11 07:57:27, kreacher wrote:
Now if the N82 specs are correct it could be the real challenger to Sofia.
I think u got it the other way round. If it is true then N82 is throne holder. Sofia will be a challenger. Well, as far as we know Sofia dont have WIFI, GPS and VGA 30fps video recording. That's a real handicap for the challenger Sofia.
Posted by mustafabay
Anyone of the few here that can't afford high end phones and isn't lucky enough to live in a country where you can get phones on contract want to start a petition for a T550? A better K550.
Posted by xumdeo
xumdeo, do you know anything of Sofias camera quality? You seem confident that Nokia cant improve their photo quality enough for SEs offering? Its quite obvious anyhow but just saying.
i only don't have the confidence that Nokia will forgo the over-processing-good-looking-to-amature-eyes strategy for their high end camera phones, which in my opinion is bad, because it defeats the purpose of using a CZ lens... you're gonna sharpen anyway and wipe up the noise you think is noise, a better lens won't make much difference (if it's really any better, a CZ-branded plastic lens coming from the same nonCZ factories). the problem is not only the software, but the inferior sensor (toshiba CMOS) that they're trying to redeem. unless they change their source (i doubt Sharp or Olympus have the production capacity to serve them), i'm not confident that the pic quality on N8x will be any better than N95 (w/o xenon)
I'm not too worried with the flash, I don't believe that they have "mediocre" engineers, in fact people do jump between the 2 companies
as for the Sofia's camera quality, I know enough to be confident that it is a lot better than the N95 even minus the xenon flash, not to amature eyes.
[ This Message was edited by: xumdeo on 2007-05-11 08:00 ]
Posted by rss_ndrsn
Most of the consumers don't bother about it, anyway. What matters to them is that it has everything that they want.
Time of release to the market could influence their decision of which phone to buy.
[ This Message was edited by: rss_ndrsn on 2007-05-11 08:08 ]
Posted by zisis
It is true that untill now SE has dissapointed us in terms of high-end devices this year. P1 is nothing so special. If you look at features you will see that there is nothing new to be excited about. Even WiFi is only of b type. SE seems that is not really interesting in this area of market as it used to be in the past. Rumored Sofia is just a rumour. Untill now no spy pic or characteristics have been shown.
SE needs to do something otherwise I am afraid that they will lose a very significant portion of buyers who are interested for high-spec devices. SE doesn't need to fight NOKIA face-by-face. They have prooven that if they want to give something special they can do it. If rumour for September annouincement of Sophia is true then it should pack a lot of edge specs like VGA Recording (30 fps), 2,4 inch lcd, stereo speaker etc.
I like SE very much and I prefer them instead of NOKIA Symbian. But SE seems not be interested in keeping its fans....
Let's hope that the next announcement won't be very far away and will only have high-end devices....
Posted by goldenface
The N82 has
style / proportions written all over it. Although, imitation is the finests form of flattery. 
Posted by shyam335
If the specs of N82 is true,it will be worser than n73 vs k800 story.
well,so far se hasn't lived up to my expectations yet this year.
It seems this is the year of clones yet..
Posted by malinda
Rumar says Nokia 82 has 5mxp cam. Then what will happen to SE Sofira!
Posted by ares
If you look at features you will see that there is nothing new to be excited about.
what do you call 128mb of RAM??
Posted by remirez
Hi guys,
I created a topic dedicated to the N8x Nokia phones.
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=147202
Posted by Script
On 2007-05-11 10:33:26, malinda wrote:
Rumar says Nokia 82 has 5mxp cam. Then what will happen to SE Sofira!
Nothing will happen - Sofia will have 5mp on board too.
Posted by Script
On 2007-05-11 11:36:46, remirez wrote:
Hi guys,
I created a topic dedicated to the N8x Nokia phones.
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=147202
This topic for SE rumors as you can see.
Posted by Aware
'i doubt Sharp or Olympus have the production capacity to serve them), i'm not confident that the pic quality on N8x will be any better than N95 (w/o xenon)'
Interesting point.....you'd think
would have asked Sharp for help with cam modules(903/904SH 3mp, 2/3xOptical, great module size, too), but no.....
Considering they share development(OS for example), it's surprising....
Japan is lucky.....Nokia can't cut it there(or is it Japanese don't fall for it??)...
Posted by xumdeo
they only shared the OS platform adn middle ware, only for NTT DoCoMo phones (not forCDMA 2000 1x/EVDO phones for AU KDDI, or any other phones outside Japan)
sensors are completely different (sony and sonyericsson are different companies)
sony will manufacture the 5MP sensors for themselves
Nokia failed in japan because they have no idea how the market works there, and their phones are not cutting edge enough too. a phone like n95 will only sell if it's as big as E65, given the low resolution of screen, poor java function (comparing to the new FOMA phones that runs 10MB java games), lack of DMB, slowGPS (and lack of 3D GPS), slow OS and average camera. that's comparing to the highend japanese phones, of course the N95 is GOD outside japan.
Posted by Aware
Enlightening; thankyou! 10mb Java?? Makes our 2mb stack limit suck!
BTW, there's an N95 sitting next to me...
....I'd say it's good, but by NO means GOD(God-like specs, admittedly, but in reality......seems a lesson not learned from N80(Batt, slide mech., cam)).....so i'm selling it.....
And I'd STILL rather have SO903i(in black, NOT TV version), even 904SH....
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Posted by goldenface
@xumdeo
So if Sony are going to make the 5.0mp sensors themselves, won't the graphics processing need to take a serious hike up too?
And if it does, will this mean that Euro / Asian phones will, eventually, be as capable as the Japanese phones?
@Aware
I know where you're coming from. The SO903i would answer all my prayers.
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Posted by xumdeo
catching up with japanese phones, we've been talking about that for years, that's not gonna happen unlessEuropeans suddenly decide to be less price elastic, and to adopt new technologies quicker
Posted by goldenface
I thought was because companies like Fujitsu, who make the chipsets, didn't want to fall behind in the Japanese market by devoting their resources to ramping up capacity to satisfy a global demand.
Thats what I read anyway.
Posted by xumdeo
yes, and why would they forgo this biz opportunity?
obviously it's unattractive
why is it unattractive?
cuz people are not willing to pay for what they're best at doing: high end fashion phones that complements the network service (seriously, a lot of the features require the network to make changes, timed-schedule-auto-recording of DMB TV programs according to the e-timetable, banking/credit card service, music subscription service etc)
at least not enough people are willing to pay, so they won't open customer service centers just for that 1/100000 person
Posted by goldenface
Ah! I see. Thanks.
Posted by Bambino
Count me in,
Make it 2/100000
Posted by shaliron
It's fascinating how different the Japanese market is to the European market.
But if you think we have it bad, take a look at the Americas. No offense, but their benchmark of high-end is the Blackberry
But anyway, a side note from a mysterious source, says that video recording resolution of the T650 has not been confirmed. These non-smartphones are surprisingly powerful and can easily do QVGA @ 30fps, not to mention VGA...
Posted by Aware
People not willing to pay - that's why Sharp stopped exporting their 9xSH series(well, that and the Voda KK buyout by Softbank)....
....interestingly, the Japanese manufacturers also provide different models for different networks(unlike ROW, where all nets get the same basic handset(with tailored firmware)).....they don't seem to produce generic models??
Shame really, that those who ARE prepared to pay, cannot import handsets that are world useable(or modify them to be) anymore(last ones were V802SE - Z800i, 903SH - Sharp903), like automotive enthusiasts have been forced to with cars for the last 20 years(AW11(MR2)SC, BNR32(SkylineGTR), JZA70(originalSupraTT) etc, all JDM models)...
Posted by kreacher
On 2007-05-11 08:44:38, mib1800 wrote:
I think u got it the other way round. If it is true then N82 is throne holder. Sofia will be a challenger. Well, as far as we know Sofia dont have WIFI, GPS and VGA 30fps video recording. That's a real handicap for the challenger Sofia.
Yeah, true.
Posted by _otshelnik_
Eldar says, that protipe of T 650 can take 30 fps VGA video
Posted by Script
I wonder will successor of the P990 have a flip?
[ This Message was edited by: Script on 2007-05-11 23:07 ]