Posted by c96sthl
so lets discuss or argue whether nokia can do it
donno...for me...seem like Nokia lack something in offering music.
of course they are doing a fast catch up now with all the acquisation of online music site etc....
to me...just seem a bit like nokia not having a wide range of low to mid range music centric phone to do the job.
in the end I only hope all this fight didn't force music user having a problem....they can't transfer the mp3 they bought to phone using different management system. Tht's bad.
Posted by QVGA
Considering Nokia has no background eperience with music, and considering sony has a history of music with them, which dates back to the 80's, I think Nokia are doing a brilliant job and they will catch up with them soon.
Also, SE concentrates on only music on their W phones, where as Nokia concentrates on the overall phone.
Posted by shyam335
Indeed,positions between nokia and se have interchanged it seems (including renaming,although nokia still continue that tradition).
Posted by mib1800
N91 is currently the best music phone around (according to se-biased m-r). SE music phones has already been super-seeded by nokia for some time already.
Posted by goldenface
@Mib1800 Absolute bollocks! Walkman phones are already the established benchmark musicphones. They have better presence, greater heritage and they are the ones to beat. The N Series efforts just aren't cool.
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Posted by Danny_BFC
Got my w900 today and its WAY better than my n91 i used to own
Posted by baste07
typical nokia. barrages of phones all same functionality.
the more phones. the better chance of getting market share.
Posted by QVGA
mib1800 is right, N91 is better than the walkman phones in sound quality.
Posted by goldenface
Now we'll have the W800 is a K750 argument. So before we do we'll mention the W850 and W900i to nip that one in the bud. :-)
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Posted by c96sthl
QVGA
what i mean music centric phone is phone tht having all the dedicated UI or Man Machine Interface for music function.
Not all Nokia phone have tht.....if you refer all Nokia phone can do music playback...then all SE phone tht is out since 2005 also can do that.
However what I started off is referring walkman phone with all the music centric phone Nokia is pushing. This include Monday's new product.
Sorry....just notice Nokia is calling their music centric phone as
XpressMusic.
SO what I am referring to is XpressMusic vs Walkman
@MIB
my only comment on N91....they should try to move to solid state memory.
As N91 is already a highend phone...putting in solid state might not hurt the potential buyer's wallet much since the phone not meant to be cheap.
The only sad part for N91 is Microsoft screw up the phone's launching date...and yup it does have something walkman phone will really need to add....support of WMA. If more Nokia music centric phone is getting WMA support all the way down to Nokia low- mid range phone (xpressMusic)....SE Walkman will under pressure again since WMA is gaining popularity beside MP3 and AAC.
Sony made a big mistake in pushing for Atrac and ignoring MP3....hope SE don't repeat the same thing.
Anyway Eventually Nokia will be the leader coz....one quarter of Nokia sales volume is equal to one whole year volume sales of SE
Now just another interesting part...How do Motorola and Samsung look into music centric device.....they still didn't planned much on pure music centric devices.....Moto does have Rokr series but they seem to be not keen in moving in big time
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its the only nokia phone that rivals SEwalkman phones in the music dep...
next month, with w950 out, it won“t be the best one anymore
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Only if you are able accept N91 size. I considered buying this phone before buying k800 but when i had it in my hands it was much too bulky and too heavy.
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Because its metal and not plastic like K800. Also bec. there's a hard disk running in it. What do you expect?
Posted by c96sthl
only expectation.....8GB of solid state memory get put into a phone
hopefully SE can do tht before nokia did hehehehe
Posted by Super G
My iPod Nano 8Gb just beats all your
Nokia etc so-called music phones.
It's thin, looks gorgeous (Black), has an aluminium alloy body and iPod is simply *the best* MP3 player you can every find out there, and will remain for years to come.
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You should know better than to compare a phone with a mp3 player. But if you are, let me remind you your nano cant make phone calls.
Posted by Super G
@QVGA:
Exactly it cant make phone calls! And thats the all point of my post! It is only a music player and thats why I love it! Phones with music players are just good at one thing: MP3 ringtones. For the rest.... iPod is king and will remain
It's small, extremely light (40g something) and looks gorgeous.
Nokia and others claim they are making music players... But are they really? Is it more convenient to have one device to do everything instead of two devices. I have a 3 year old iPod, bought the Nano2 the day it was released, a phone with music player and a PSP and my conclusion is the following: I prefer separate devices that excel in their own area as opposed to one device that does everything.[ This Message was edited by: Super G on 2006-09-28 14:08 ]
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or even make some great photos.... maybe carrying a good cam, and mobile phone, but for me, its a lot of stuff to put in my pockets
Posted by c96sthl
Oh well not everyone need a highend product
tht's why iPOD still doing strong and i think the remark just totally out of the topic of this thread
Posted by sesukaku
c96stlh
err.. didn't u read the articles posted in this website sometime ago? Research had shown that Ipod is ALREADY defeated by music phone. As it says that majority of ppl, including the IPOD OWNERS, prefer to listen to music through mobile phones. The quality of the music does not differ that much in my opinion, unless u have a very sensitive ear or u want to be very very very particular about the music quality.
For majority of ppl, K750 is as a music player, since the quality is not bad at all, and not everyone can pick up the minor point, not until it is compared with Ipod face to face, yet, if i have to say about the score I would give K750-Ipod Nano 75-90. Yes, Nano has win alot, but it is because i compare it straight away with the same files simultaneously. Even so, in some files they score quite equally since i hardly can hear any difference between them. If you don't have Ipod nano, then u will think K750 is a fantastic music player, it is just as simple as that. Imagine when you first have your mp3 player back then.. its the same feeling, you don't know that it is crap until the better one comes (im just exaggerating).
Posted by c96sthl
Maybe I made a mistake in my msg
The highend stuff I am saying is suppose to be IPOD.
Yes many refer music phone quality is not as good as IPOD or other mp3 player
but hey like you said, my ears can differentiate them
If you do look into some of my previous post on k750 or w800 hissing...you should note i am having a similar view like you said
Oh and to support your point
remember when MP3 was first introduced....ppl is saying...nah...the compression removed some frequency tht we can't detect and it can cause quality go down
but what happen today?
JVC, Panasonic, Yamaha, Sony etc etc have to embrace MP3.
Back to the remark...yup Music phone is having higher volume than iPOD
however if there's still ppl who like better quality "MP3"..then they will opt for iPOD hehe...but i wonder if ppl ears is so fuzzy...why don't they go back to CD or even better...turntable
Posted by mcrosser
I think that Walkman is better than XpressMusic, because of the trademark and the image it has on consumers. Most people got to know or hear Walkman throught their life, pushed by the Sony Ads and commercials. I don't have a Walkman phone myself, but had the chance to own one for two weeks (W550) and to me, having the brand Walkman on the phone, specially when listening to the music, made me feel like it was the best music I could hear (also because of the headphones, wich are very good). I now have a Walkman MP3 player, and when I recieved it I felt just great, thinking: this is real music, wow. Obviously I've never had an iPod, nor had a go with any Nokia XpressMusic phone; but my friend once lent me his iPod nano, and it was a very good feeling, to tell the truth.
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And this research was sponsored by a large mobile manufacturer
I do question that iPod owners prefer to listen to music on their mobile phone.
Btw, iPod sales have never been as good, and are rocketting
Anyway, I agree that this post is out of topic of this thread. But No.1 MP3 player is still iPod.
It's like Nokia saying it is number one in the digital camera market... That always makes me laugh.
Posted by macboy
iPod's and Mobile Phones both are two separate markets. I know a lot of people who have Nano's and have an SE Walkman phone.
iPod's are great at what they're supposed to do and mobile phones do what they do - features like music/video player, GPS, Wifi are just an added experience to meet the growing technology needs of a cellphone.
I have an N91. Its a good phone, a fair music player and a OK internet device to browse with Wifi. Its definitely NOT the best in all the extra things that it does, but yes its a great PHONE! On the other hand, my 80gig iPod Video is a GOOD music/video player, a fair storage device, but a NOT SO GREAT syncing tool to keep my To-Do's, Calender events organised.
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Posted by Metamorphosi
i just wanna say that you people should stop fighting about that crap ur talking about coz ur comparing two devices that has nothing to do with each other Ipod and walkman PHONES and each has it's own market and in the end if u like something just buy it, that what makes people different because they have different opinions,ok?
Posted by Alexandra
On 2006-09-27 17:43:56, QVGA wrote:
mib1800 is right, N91 is better than the walkman phones in sound quality.
Yeah but it sucks at everything else. It is part of the crap N series (N70, N71, N76, N81, N90, N91) not the good N series (N73, N80, N82, N93(i), N95)
Posted by C905
if n91 is supposed to be a musicphone, then why is it so big. i know that its weight is much because of the metal, but still the phone is ugly
Posted by skylineR35
my only opinion on N91.
instead of all walkman, i like it for having the (type and find) function like in walkman 2. but walkman 2 is kinda slow, w1 is faster in navigaton (only)
and, 3.5mm port like PSP...
why the heck sony ericsson doesnt make this while the booming PSP have it? Wi-Fi? also a great thing.
one more... loudness in N91 volume (db) only.
the rest, about sound quality , video player and size, especially the "memory" speed, since its very subjective to each individual, i rather choose walkman phones. but i pretty disappointed with the recent W2 phones which omitted the play button.
i wish in the future se could finally realize it and change for the better.
(sony finally removed atrac at 1 of its latest mp3 player, after much complain for years)
lets wait for the 2 upcoming phone, k850 and w960.
luckily im a basic user of se phones.
so probably one of them will be my next phone next year...
Posted by GUCCI.011
I recently compared my frends I-Pod 60Gig to my other frend's Nokia N91-8GB and yes N91 ABSOLUTELY KILLS the I-pod, GET OVER IT! Music phones hav surpassed ipods,im glad i had chosen to get a W800 instead of a ipod 30gig cause i also found my old W800 sound to be better than both 30gig and 60gig ipods, i would HATE to have to carry more than ONE device in my pocket,especialy on holiday,my N80 does everything! I find it as using it as a music phone not as loud as my dead W900 but a lot clearer, its better than my W880. In every other thing my N80 is great i prefer it to my previous Walkmans, but that may change when W960 comes, but also that N81 is sounding better in everythng else except in camera part,its going to be VERY interesting.
Ps: current music phones are better than ipods LIVE WITH IT!
Posted by >500
the ipod is one of the WORST stand alone DAP's. Its sound quality cannot compare with others from the likes of Sony, Iriver, Creative etc etc.... even with better headphones.
so a phone with 'exellent' sound quality wont have too much trouble in beating the ipod...
Posted by Danny_BFC
On 2007-08-15 10:13:10, Alexandra wrote:
On 2006-09-27 17:43:56, QVGA wrote:
mib1800 is right, N91 is better than the walkman phones in sound quality.
Yeah but it sucks at everything else. It is part of the crap N series (N70, N71, N76, N81, N90, N91) not the good N series (N73, N80, N82, N93(i), N95)
N80 a good N Series
That phone was buggy as hell
Posted by Alexandra
yeah but when it wasn't buggy it was good.
What a great screen!
Posted by Kryptik
When these beauts were our ONLY options i'll bet that their owners were more concerned about which kind of rucksack was more appropriate for lugging these handsets around, lol
Nokia Mobira CityMan 900 (+- 0.800 kg, price tag THEN about 4500 Euro)
Sony MarsBar
i'm certain that once the bugs in these classics were straightened out, their owners must've been very proud of them
Posted by gola
I would have thought the 5700 should have made an impact in the music sector,but it hasn't.So all hope for expressmusic is lost for now.Nokia certainly has the potential to surpass the walkman...And i think its possible for ipods to make phones now.
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Posted by QVGA
On 2007-08-16 07:47:39, gola wrote:
I would have thought the 5700 should have made an impact in the music sector,but it hasn't.So all hope for expressmusic is lost for now.Nokia certainly has the potential to surpass the walkman...And i think its possible for ipods to make phones now.
5700 wasnt suppose to make any impact because quite frankly its a horrible phone. The upcoming N81 and 82 will be the real deal.
Anything non N series symbian, dont expect it to be a best seller.
Posted by JK
On 2006-09-28 11:05:36, QVGA wrote:
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Because its metal and not plastic like K800. Also bec. there's a hard disk running in it. What do you expect?
K800 has a metal front right? A real metal front, the N91 is not made of metal like on the N70 and N80 it a plastic/metal cover!
And my obvious question have you QVGA listened to music on a N91? Its has all the jacks the microdrive which is a pain, coz its so delicate in terms of how you manage the memory.
But all in all the sound quality is not good, on any Nokio its bad, the best i heard was when I hooked up the N95 to my Hifi at home.
Posted by clauf
Nokia is doing good considering they have no background in music, like what many have said earlier. But I still don't think we can compare Sony Ericsson to Nokia. XpressMusic to Walkman, honestly, Walkman will win big. All XpressMusic phones are ugly, cheap, plastic like quality (well I guess the rumored/coming 5300 black looks alright). Though Walkman have their black/silver/grey/white and orange theme, it doesn't feel cheap (unless your talking about the lowend ones). Now if you are comparing N series to Walkman, it's basically comparing a Banana to an Apple. N series phones are targetted to a complete different market. All N Series phones are high quality (or at least should be), so if I'm paying this price for a expensive phone, I should expect a fully packed phone. There is no such series in Sony Ericsson, most of their phones being in the mid to midhigh markets.
I would say Walkman would be the number one for a long time since they are targetting mid to midhigh market (which has been very sucessful to them) and making their phones have a design that is acceptable to most. With Walkman 3 coming up and Sony Ericsson ditching the FastPort, using Mini or Micro USB and 3.5mm headphones, it will allow them to take a step closer to perfection (this is in the future...)
Posted by QVGA
On 2007-08-16 09:03:21, JK wrote:
On 2006-09-28 11:05:36, QVGA wrote:
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Because its metal and not plastic like K800. Also bec. there's a hard disk running in it. What do you expect?
K800 has a metal front right? A real metal front, the N91 is not made of metal like on the N70 and N80 it a plastic/metal cover!
And my obvious question have you QVGA listened to music on a N91? Its has all the jacks the microdrive which is a pain, coz its so delicate in terms of how you manage the memory.
But all in all the sound quality is not good, on any Nokio its bad, the best i heard was when I hooked up the N95 to my Hifi at home.
I've read on a website where they did drop tests of N91 and iPOD to see whose hard disk fails first. It was pretty neck to neck. Anyways, its a really old phone and new phones (N81 and 82) are coming up which look fantastic.
And i've read about 10 reviews of N91, where everyone said how superb N91's sound is and its a benchmark for music phones for mobile-review which is one of the top review sites today.
Posted by BobaFett
how is n95 generally rated among music feature devices?
Posted by goldenface
On 2007-08-16 08:46:20, QVGA wrote:
On 2007-08-16 07:47:39, gola wrote:
I would have thought the 5700 should have made an impact in the music sector,but it hasn't.So all hope for expressmusic is lost for now.Nokia certainly has the potential to surpass the walkman...And i think its possible for ipods to make phones now.
5700 wasnt suppose to make any impact because quite frankly its a horrible phone. The upcoming N81 and 82 will be the real deal.
Anything non N series symbian, dont expect it to be a best seller.
I don't think Nokia would have put so much time and money marketing it if they didn't expect it to make an impact, really.
Its a shame really because its not as if they are incapable of making a good music centric phone. Look at Samsungs Upstage? That's very innovative IMO and certainly has the potential to make an impact.
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Posted by GUCCI.011
Seems to me lyk Nokia realy dont put much effort in advertising sum of their Xpress Music phones, the ONLY phone i see being heavily advertised is the N95, 6110 Navigator and the Music Edition advert with: N70-ME ,N73-ME, and N91-8GB THESE ARE THE ONLY NOKIAS that are heavily advertised in South Africa, the 5200 and 5300 are all over billboards and magazines BUT even thou 5700 is here i havent seen ONE add for it, even the N76 is being advertised as much as N95, and N76 JUST ARRIVED
Posted by Dogmann
@Boab,
I have to say the N95 is even better than my N93 was it has a great interface plenty of options and the easiest way of adding Album Art i have seen on any smart phone. If you encode your Music well to take full advantage of the processing power available and use a decent set of headphone IMHO the results really are nothing short of stunning. It produces a warm rich and well detailed sound stage with plenty of Bass and depth, easily the best sound experience i have found so far destroys the so called superior Walkman devices which IMO are all branding and don't deliver as well as they should.
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Posted by QVGA
Does N95 have a 9 or 10 band equilizer?
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Posted by BobaFett
@dogmann agreed, wm is just a brand name, sound good on the devices, but thats all. if i find some really good quality mp3 songs, have the same feeling with e60 music player as with a wm fone
Posted by Dogmann
@Boba,
Music and quality is always a very personal thing as to what some one likes or doesn't, my E61 which in no way could be considered a Multimedia device for Music. Still does an excellent job as my Music player maybe the UI could be a little nicer but when i want to listen to Music that really isn't important to me how ever how it sounds is.
Obviously all the SE fans are going to claim the Walkman phones are the best, unfortunately IMO that just isn't true, when i was checking a few of them out all of them failed to impress me and some where just down right horrid. Just because Nokia don't label there Multimedia smart phones as Music players doesn't mean they aren't good i stand by what i say that the Music Player and even it's UI on the N95 is easily the best i have used.
Actually Boba as you know i just sold my N95 and was worried that i would be disappointed when going back to my E61 so was considering getting a stand alone player. I really was pleasantly surprised at just how good my Music sounds via the E61 encode @160kbps AAC and useing the AD-46 and Shure headphones so have totally left the idea of needing a stand alone player.
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Posted by BobaFett
to be honest, the loudspeakers of n95 didnt impressed me that much, when i turned the music really loud, there was a kind of "torsion"
Posted by MoeOz
Well .. im 26 years old , i've been using sony walkmans for the last 11 years , i really never had a problem with any and it was the best sound ever from mp3's 192-320 Bitrate , i've got ma self an IPOD i liked the style more than the sound to b honest , i know this is kinda off the topic , but what im try'n to say that i ve tried many Nokia's and all the SE walkman's and i have to Admit i never reach'd the satisfy'n sound with any mobile fone like ma w950i [after the RG900 firmware] via Earbuds not the External speakers [kinda low imo ] anyway , so if u really intrested in mobile fone with a decent sound you have to consider the w950i seriously specialy nowdays with the decent price zo ... thanks
Posted by sapporobaby
If I may weight in. Sound is subject. What sounds good to me might not sound good to you. Music encoding, bit rate, headphones (impedance, sensativity, etc...) all come into play. I think the stock iPod headphones are utter trash when compared to my Shure E5C's or Etymotic ER-6's (just sold them), but my wife and friend they the iPod phones sound great. Go figure. I use my Shure's when I want complete isolation. I bought a pair of Sennheiser MX-75's for knocking about and training, and in my opinion they too will best the iPod phones. Comparing iPods to phones is a useless undertaking and most studies are funded by Apple or the phone guys. Guess which way the results will skew depending on who's paying. I have a w800i. Not bad, but I think (and this is my opinion) the N95 beat it in sound quality, but just a bit. On the other hand, the M600i was a total disaster when it came to music.
So the moral of the story is, you pay your money, you take your chances. One note is, if you can afford to spend over $400 for a set of headphones as your main listening devices, I would recommend it as your music listening experience will take on a whole new meaning.
Posted by MWEB
N91 is allready the supreme music phone, other N-series are allready V good too, Trouble is SE walkmans range from £50 to £400 and are readily available to all teens on PAYG, so unless Nokia start giving the N-series away on a similar basis the Walkmans will always vastly outnumber similar musicphones from ANYONE else.
Posted by SMS
@mweb6161
Nseries phones are targeted towards multimedia in general not music specifically; nokia keeps discribing Nseries as "multimedia computers".
but it has just recently started to enter the world of "music only handsets" with the xpress music family, 5300 is very affordable and successful, 5700 came in lately, and the rumored 5310xm(w880 lookalike), but the XM family still too small to compete with the large walkman portfolio.
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