Posted by carkitter
For all those conspiracy theorists who love to see the media stick it to secretive Governments who orchestrate terror campaigns, here's a real live proven conspiracy:
TVNZ wins right to screen full Rainbow Warrior trial tapes
3.00pm Tuesday September 26, 2006
TVNZ has seen off the final legal challenge by French spies Alain Mafart and Dominique Prieur to prevent screening of their guilty pleas to the manslaughter of Fernando Pereira.
TVNZ had fought a 20-year battle to get the court tapes and the French fought at every turn, TVNZ's head of news and current affairs Bill Ralston said.
TVNZ would screen the tapes on its Sunday current affairs programme this week after the Supreme Court today dismissed an application for leave to appeal from the agents. TVNZ was awarded $2500 costs.
In August, three Appeal Court judges gave TVNZ permission to show the footage of the agents pleading guilty in the High Court trial that followed the 1985 Rainbow Warrior bombing.
Some of the footage was screened on TV One at the time but a plan to screen extended footage on the Sunday programme was halted by court action.
Mr Ralston said TVNZ fought to screen the tapes because "it was an important issue for the preservation of New Zealand history".
He said work would have to be done on the tapes to restore them and put them on a modern format.
"In circumstances that it is hard to imagine ever being repeated in this country, the appellants pleaded guilty to manslaughter in 1985," the Supreme Court said.
The agents proposed to argue that the Court of Appeal failed to weigh their privacy against the freedom of information interests championed by TVNZ.
"We have not been satisfied that this is a proper case to be heard by this court," the Supreme Court judgment concluded.
"This is a very unusual case, which, an appeal on the merits having been heard and determined in the Court of Appeal, no longer raises any question of general or public importance."
During the Court of Appeal hearing lawyers for the French spies argued they never approved the closed circuit television footage being kept as a permanent record.
The Rainbow Warrior was bombed in Auckland Harbour on July 11, 1985, killing Mr Pereira.
It was later revealed France's then-president Francois Mitterand personally authorised the attack on a ship that had led the Greenpeace campaign against French nuclear tests on Mururoa Atoll.
The agents have since written books in which they described the experience of going up in court, and neither said it was humiliating or debasing.
The videotape was initially supposed to play on TVNZ during a documentary on the 20th anniversary of the bombing of last year.
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Wikipedia on the Rainbow Warrior Bombing
TVNZ summary of the Rainbow Warrior Affair.
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Posted by axxxr
Whats this...Is this supposed to be a conspiracy?
Posted by axxxr
Ah thats better you've added some links,which i can look at now and find out what all this is about.
Still never heard about this story...this is all new to me!
Posted by carkitter
If an unproven conspiracy has appeal, wouldn't a proven one appeal more?
In this one we have an innocent life lost, a Government sponsored team of bombers, a race across the pacific to track the spies, an international cover-up and high level resignations!
And it's all true!
Unfortunately I can't link it to GWB though...
Posted by axxxr
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Well the \"unproven one\" as you call it is much more widely known...i doubt something like this which no one has ever heard off as any appeal,proven or otherwise.
Im sure if you look hard enough in this you may find a GWB connection!
Posted by carkitter
Well I guess that Europe might be able to sweep it under the carpet, but when your 13yrs old and your parents take you down to the wharf to look at the wreck of New Zealands only ever terrorist bombing, it kinda sticks in the mind for a while.
Londoners during 7/7 will know what I mean.
Posted by slattery69
i remember it well its a very famous case. even before it came out that the french goverment were invovled.
in fact i think the french prime minster had to resign over it. its one of the first proven conspiracy theories which is probably why conspiracy theorists dont talk about it as its been proven.
Posted by SsTiTcH
Yawn..not much point discussing something that was pretty clear from the start and in which the guilty have been tried in court and sentenced. Nothing was covered up , no evidence hidden,lost or destroyed and no evidence of a conspiracy. Just a tragic loss of life and the guilty tried and sentenced in accordance with the law.
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i ll take it from your comments that your not aware of the story, due to comments like nothing was covered up. it was a huge event a european goverment giving orders to attack a greenpeace boat that was pprotesting against the french testing.
it was attempted to be covered up but in situations like this were lives are lost people are more willing to cooperate
Posted by carkitter
@Sstitch
There was alot covered up actually.
The crew of the Ouvea yatch were only held for 24 hours as the Australian Govt (Norfolk Island is a territory of Aust.) wouldn't cooperate further. The yacht then disappeared somewhere in the Pacific. When I say disappeared, I don't mean we don't know which port they went to.
I mean they scuttled the yacht and were probably picked up by French Navy Submarine.
The admissions by French Government officials only came because a certain French newspaper decided to do it's own investigative work on the case. The New Zealand Police were stonewalled at every turn in thier overseas investigation.
It's the price of being Nuclear Free I guess.
Edit: BTW, not all the guilty have been tried in court. Only 2 of a possible team of 12-15 people were caught and those 2 were only lookouts not the actual bombers, certainly not the planners in France. _________________
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Posted by SsTiTcH
Still its no conspiracy. Instead its an example of a black op gone wrong. And yes it took time to come out. Do you really think ANY government is going to readily admit to the world.. We did it for x reason . Not bloody likely. And there are no saints in any intelligence agency anywhere in the world. When an op goes wrong a govt will sacrifice a few pawns and the game continues. But no conspiracy here just time for things to be handled via official channels.
Posted by slattery69
then by that defination 9/11 wasnt a conspiracy theory but a black op gone wrong.
just to help you here are some dictionary definations of conspiracy and conspiracy theory
http://education.yahoo.com/re[....]t=ArotrjUqSj7MiHYFKVXcaFGugMMF
http://education.yahoo.com/re[....]t=AnjB9iAtfZOvxNAG96zv73SugMMF
and by scraificing a few porns do you mean the french prime minster having to resign.
Posted by carkitter
@Sstitch
Can I remind you of what the Loose Change supporters think:
Another link, this one details the conspiracy.
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Posted by SsTiTcH
Gentlemen, this is a pointless discussion. Im enjoying my evening cup of tea . As to supporting any group or cause.. I support none instead make up my mind for myself based on available information and experience. I long ago stopped believing ANY government or cause theres something called Truth which is greater than any cause. Nations come and go just as causes do. At the end of the day none benefit humanity. They just perpetuate age old stupidity.
Posted by carkitter
My best wishes to you Sstitch, I hope you enjoy your cup of tea.
There are several points here which may have been missed.
Firstly, the resolution of a court case spanning 21yrs regarding the suppression of news media information which is the latest developments in a significant event in NZ and French political history.
Second, to demonstrate what a real 'government conspiracy' looks like which puts the 'so-called' 9/11 conspiracy in context.
Posted by carkitter
And the revelations keep coming:
Presidential link to Rainbow Warrior
Sep 30, 2006
A brother of French presidential hopeful Segolene Royal planted the bombs that killed a crew member aboard the Greenpeace flagship in Auckland harbour in 1985.
Antoine Royal, another brother of Segolene, told the Parisien newspaper his brother Gerard was a member of the French intelligence sabotage squad who planted the bombs on the Rainbow Warrior.
"At the time, (Gerard) was a lieutenant and agent of the DGSE (intelligence agency) in Asia. He was asked in 1985 to go to New Zealand, to Auckland harbour, to sabotage the Rainbow Warrior," Antoine said.
"Later he told me that it was he who planted the bomb on the Greenpeace ship. He took a small craft with a second person to approach the boat."
"He was able to escape the New Zealand authorities, unlike the false Turenge couple who were arrested. My sister learnt that he was present during the operation from a recent article in the press"... source
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