Posted by voda_jon
And let me tell u why...
Before i start this i dont want u all thinkin am some sort of Nokia Fanboy! I've had SE phones from the T68i upwards... i jus feel a bit peeved off at SE for not releasin somethin tha can compete like the P900/P910i did when they where released!!!
I got myself all hyped up about the P990i since it was first announced... it was gonna be the best symbian smartphone ever! Imagine having WIFI on yeh phone!!! wow!
Then it was delayed and delayed again an then some more just to rub salt in the wound!
Finally its released and after a week or two of usin it i'm finding it pretty basic in terms of Smartphone features of this time of year... so i've made my mind up....
I'm swappin it for a Nokia N93... And this is why....
*Size wise they are pretty much the same...
*Screen isnt touch sensitive which i prefer... cant b doin wit touchin the screen lol...
*Camera is a 3.2Mp cam wit carl zeiss lens and a mechanical shutter (this doesnt bother me as i have a 12Mp fuji DSLR which i use as ma main cam) but its nice to have a decent cam on standby!
*The N93 has TV OUT which means i can use the phone but view everything on my tv FULLSCREEN! even the GAMES!!! and INTERNET!
*The phone uses nice cheap Mini SD cards... got maself a 2Gb card for Ģ30!!!
*Still can be updated online via Nokia's self service FW upgrades!
*and still has wifi built in which is what i mainly want the phone for!
*N93 has sooooooo much more software available at the mo an i dont mean jus games... i'm talkin about file management software, GPS software, Full Office suites (not jus quick office), better support for websites as it uses the Safari browser (same as Apple Macs)...
So all in all the N93 takes 1st place for me... battery life is reported to be very good for a smartphone an its features are bang upto date for a phone released this year unlike the P990i....
J.
Posted by themro
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The N93 has TV OUT which means i can use the phone but view everything on my tv FULLSCREEN! even the GAMES!!! and INTERNET! |
Why would u want to output a crappy low res pic to a tv??
I just bought a 2gb memory stick for my 990 for Ģ24 delivered.
Software is a matter of time. were on a completely new Operating System as far as programs go not just a revamp.
Posted by mykkk
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lmao....i'd leave the games to the ps2 and the internet browsing to my computer if I want a larger screen.
Posted by bluesun
i'm pretty much satisfied with the p990i. it has everything that i need for business phone- mobile office, word, excel and powerpoint; notes; calendar; tasks; calculator; converter; sms, mms and email; camera; sound/video player and recorder; video call; web browser; rss feeds; 3g; wi-fi; bluetooth; gprs; infrared; etc... it even has a business card scanner. so far, i can't think of anything else that i need for a business phone.
now for a fun phone- that is a different matter. the p990i is just not a weekend phone. without the risk of harming my p990i, i can't take it with me while i am riding my bike... nor whenever i am at the beach... much less, when i am on a boat. i wish they'd release a waterproof 3g smartphone (like the SO902iWP+, which they released in japan). although not 3g capable, nokia has already released the 5500 sport to battle with siemens' m75. i want a waterproof and shockproof sony ericsson, specifically the SO902iWP+... now.
Posted by Residentevil
YEah gimme a water proof phone I can use in the rain and snow.
Posted by w@lkm@n
lol...that's a 1st...while most p990i users are fed up of the phone u seem to be bored...if se had to make a nokia series60 kinda symbian phone i'd surely grab it.
Posted by Waka
I thought the TV out resolution of the N93 was higher than the normal screen resolution...something like 640x480?
W.
Posted by ares
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At least you should get you facts straight:
n93, like other s60 v3 devices doesnīt have much more software than UIQ 3 devices...in fact thereīs also lack of software compared with older s60 versions
P990 also has alternative Office suites - you must have been sleeping instead of searching for software - Documents to Go ring a bell???
N93 photo quality isnīt better than P990īs, even with one more mp
You can buy pretty cheap ms pro duoīs nowadays
etc
But i think n93 is also a great phone...its just not better than P990 IMHO, consedering what i want from a smartphone right now
Be happy with it
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Posted by Johnex
go ares!
the phone is great in all aspects, and software is all good for me, no need for fancy crap that can easyly be done by using ssh to a pc, and copying it to the phone
Posted by tonyitalian
for gods sake nokia doesnt stand a chance in front of the p990
no chance!
Posted by Spawn
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Ok nice to know..dont let the doors hit your ass on the way out...
Posted by Swedish_Chef
Nokia fanboy tssss
Posted by abbasakhtar
nokia n93 rocks !
Posted by ares
This is getting a flame war between fanboys...better stop guys
The fact is the guy has all the right to not like P990 and buy a N93...
BUT, if he comes here bitch about the P990 when heīs leaving (goodbye...), he should at least present credible arguments, and not a big load of inacurate statments
Posted by deepsme
i must say even i am dissapointed (thus far) with se this year,i think all the heads up they had got over nokia last year with the success of the k750 and w800 has been all lost with the launch of some killer n-series models by nokia and se's own ditch at the p-series fanbase with the continuous delay of the p990i.
Posted by ares
k800 (k750 sucessor) has been a sucess a of sales, so i really donīt know what you mean. W810 also has had a great sucess
Posted by scroitoru
What I don't understand is ppl coming to the SE forums and telling us that the Nokia rocks (N93). I never went on any Nokia forums. why should I?!
So you all that have Nokias, why do you "bother" and read the SE forums? Is it envy?! Is it that you are not satisifed with your Nokia?!?!?!? Give me a break. Boo Hoo Nokia.
Posted by voda_jon
i've been around these forums for a while an i know everytime someone posts somethin about a phone OTHER than SE they get flamed...
The N93 output to TV is nice... dont see the P990i doing that?
Its camera is technically superior.... Proper lens, better quality AND a mechanical shutter which makes it much better at capturing shots (but as i said i dont care bout camera quality)
N93 and other 3rd Ed phones have much more software available for them...
And finally the pure fact that i aint a 'fanboy' i thought forums where places people can air their thoughts about certain subjects but it looks like u SE fanboys wont allow ne1 else to have their say without panickin an flamin as much as u all have...
oh an i did do a lot of searching for software for the P990i and whilst there is some apps there just isnt the variety of software that the N93 has at the current time...
J.
Posted by agf412
Have you ever thought the phone has been hampered by your beloved network provider Vodaphone (clues in your name) completely f**king up the functionality of the phone. I will never go on Vodaphone because of how much the mess with the firmware
Posted by skruttet
I would never touch a phone where the phone company have tampered with the firmware, never !
Posted by Sammy_boy
Go easy on Voda_Jon, nothing wrong with him wanting to swap to a Nokia phone, after all we all want a phone that suits our needs, whether that's an SE one or a Nokia or whatever it is.
Flaming him because he doesn't like the P990i is a little immature, and likely to drive him away. having a debate about it fine, but having a go at him for using a Nokia?
I'm currently using a Nokia 6600 instead of my main W810i (but no plans to sell it yet!). Does that make me 'evil'?
Posted by darky
yes sammy boy you must burn at the stake you're obviously a heretic
it's sad that s.e. fanboys flame everyone who states something bad about a s.e. phone, sure this is a s.e. forum but it does have other manufacturers and we all have our opinions, I'm tired of immature people calling other people stupid or liars and defending s.e. phones like they were divine, keep it civil hippies
Posted by DragonEye
but the p990 has a bigger screen and a qwerty keypad
the n93 camera is the weakest out of all the new 3.2. but does have amazing video.
memory stick duo pros are just as cheap now and go up to 4 gig
wifi with a touchscreen and full qwerty is a lot better then the n93..
opera browser is just as powerful and just as much support
apps i have on my e61 and the p990 counterpart if available it's not as bad as you make it.. and UIQ can support a lot of the 3rd party apps in s60 out of the box.
best task manager ----swiss manager
agile messsenger ---- agile messeneger
worldmate ----worldmate
ybrowser ---- nothing yet i think
best calc ---- plenty of java variants
handy expense ---- handy day
dictionary ----dictionary
office/pdf ---- built in support
splashphoto ---- no third party app yet
podscasting ---- haven't seen this yet either
opera ---- built in
internet radio ----p990has radio
antivirus --- antiviurs
screenshot --- autocam
fscaller --- built in
oggplay --- not available yet
mobireader --- mobireader
also there is a enoromous amount of java applications that will work on both phones...
having used the n93 myself i think it's a weak device that isn't very practical to use i rather use my e61 over both the n93 and p990i but would defeinielty take the p990i over the n93
Posted by JAGUY85
The P990 suffers from being released too late. The competition caught up and is surpassing it. Plus, SE should've gone for a more innovative design.
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Posted by voda_jon
thats my main point is that its a phone that would of been amazin last year but this year it seems outdated and below par...
And to note the Voda branding on the P990i is a start up picture and a shut down picture and thats all... nothin else taken away from it.
If i didnt already know about the lovely flamers on esato i would of moved on to pastures new but i knew i was gonna get flamed to hell as anyone who mentions another company than SE always does lol.
J.
Posted by Guy H
Well I for one am well happy with my Voda P990i and I've had a P900 and P910 before it. Thing is on here people love to moan and they actually enjoy trying to make things fail/crash.
I'm not saying the phone is perfect but I bet most of those slating it and voda will stick with it.
PS voda CS is rubbish
Posted by DragonEye
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the problem is you guys that keep complaining about se don't have your facts straight
the first major batch of s60's were annouced in oct 05
the p990 was announced in oct 05 (and even then everyone had already started to complain that it wasn't 801.11g and ONLY 2.0 cam)
the e61/e60/e70 etc. were launched in june/july 06
the p990i launched in aug 06
the n93 was annoucned in april 06 and launched pretty much right away because the s60 platform was already in mass production with n80, e61, e60 etc... etc...
in other words there was no way it was going to launch last year and you guys are dreaming if you thought it did.. you think se is that ahead in the tech gap? lol
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Posted by voda_jon
@dragoneye
The whole point i was tryin to get across is that the majority of manufacturers test features on their higher level handsets (like the P series or N Series for Nokia) as the type of person buying these handsets is generally very tech savvy...
Its a common ploy as if the feature has a weakness this group of people will find it and the company will fix it for a more mass market product... thus creating a good handset for everyone including some tech savvy people.
I consider the P990i to be a bit 'late' at coming to market as some Nokia handsets have had Wifi built in them as early as last march (Nokia 9500).
And plus a company shouldnt be announcing release dates if they know full well that they cant release the handset anywhere near the dates given... And i know the majority of delays was due to networks finding faults during testing phases and SE tryin to fix them for a semi faultless release...
I really really like SE phones i do, and i did wish the P990i would of lived upto the hype it gained but it just doesnt an the N93 does.
J.
Posted by JK
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U Just using the bigger screen to watch pron!!
Posted by scottyd
i love my p990i its like a reocuring them in the last few years of life
hopefully they will be a successor tht will at last be perfect though.
Posted by locoworks
@voda-jon, the likes of SE give a near release date to keep you waiting for their product. if SE said a year ago that it would be september 06 then many folk would have gone out and bought a Nokia N?? or something else rather than have an 'old' P910 in their pockets. so when SE eventually graced us with the 990 the 'tech heads' would have something else already and would not be due an upgrade for 6 months or so..
Posted by voda_jon
but jus think if they had of released it on time then everyone who had one would b jus comin up for an upgrade an might get a new se like k800i or m600i but all they have done is keep people waiting an i know a lot of ppl have moved to HTC and windows based handsets whilst waiting!
J.
Posted by prachid
I for one want to be a SE customer. SE products that come close to my liking are M 600 and W 950 but they lack advanced camera. Now I am waiting for a SE smart phone with Symbian 9.3 or a Window Mobile phone with Window CE 6 which should be on sale around new year. I admire the progresses of LG in development of touch sensitive phones especially in announcement of making smartphones using Windows OS. If this LG phone comes out soon enough I would be one of their customers.
So hurry up SE, Don't you have new smartphone with new OS like LG?
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if they had the ability to release it on time, then the P??? that would be the 990's successor would be due out soon on time too. imagine that phone??????
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and they'll be more then happy to move back... cause those windows phones are truly making a great name for themselves as trash lol
Posted by strizlow800
SE smartphones\\phones are very good. I do not see any reason of getting bored with a SE. It has many things to be interesting to anyone.
Posted by voda_jon
the windows based handsets r makin a very good name for themselves in the UK... dont know about the US an canada, might b different as UK ones get very different firmwares installed on them by the networks...
but going by sales an returns figures they r doin very very well in the UK...
J.
Posted by jack77777
sony ericsson suck , i used to be all for sony ericsson , now nokia rule the mobile phone worl once more!
Posted by Vipera ammodytes
I am a SE fan but i must say this NOKIA ROCKS THIS YEAR IN TERMS OF TECHNOLOGY,SE is nothing this year,the best SE smartphone p990 is sucks comparated with n80,and now new Nseries phones rocks again! Great job nokia
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Posted by ares
sorry sasha, but you just donīt f... about what youīre talking about...
n80 better than p990??? in your dreams...maybe n93 can match, with different features
and your n73...my brother has one...image quality similar with k800, good OS...but where is a2dp???? My brother is pissed because he though such new device would had bluetooth stereo by now - but no, the so moder n series donīt have it, the first to have it will be n95.
I canīt see anything so much better from Nokia, besides the newly announced n95
Posted by jj03
i can't see from the spec's how much better the p990 is against the n80...they are pretty similar...except for the camera and wifi..990/b n80/g..
not including the touchscreen obviously..it's a uiq thing.
Posted by DragonEye
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full qwerty keyboard, a2dp, touchscreen, bigger screen, better battery life, larger memory card support to name a few..
Posted by voda_jon
@ares...
hate to tell u this but a number of nokia handsets have had a2dp for a long time before SE... lets c we have:
N70
6280
both used to test how popular the a2dp would be and its not THAT important to have it as it drains battery reasonably quick jus like standard bluetooth does....
@dragoneye
mem card support? SE phones use a propriaty mem card meaning very few 3rd party companies can make cheaper models... they are similiary priced to the Mini SD cards that the N80 uses so u cant use that as a plus point and Mini SD's in 4Gb an 8Gb are due to be announced shortly
The full qwerty keypad aint nothin to shout about as its very small and alot of people find it fiddly to use!
A bigger screen aint all that if the resolution of said screen isnt up to much...
And again the camera does fall behind in quality of other 2Mp cams of same manufacturer...
J.
Posted by DragonEye
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lol no only the 8800 has a2dp and now the n95
the cam on the p990 is the same as the w810i etc..etc..
screen res is qvga same as pretty much all the nokias even the new n95 is qvga 240*320
4gb is out now for memory stick duo pro... mini -sd only has 2 gig currently
i've had no troubles using the p990 qwerty i think it's even better then the e61 keypad..
Posted by ares
voda jon please stop making a fool of yourself....that MISTAKE about a2dp and nokia showed what you (donīt) bring to this discussion
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Posted by voda_jon
@ares..
mistake about a2dp? try askin someone who sells or has intimate knowledge of the handset to inform u that the 6280 does support it... i have used it alot wit stereo headsets wit both left and right workin!
and also the S60 phones which dont support can do wit a piece of additional software that Nokia can install in all of their repair centres!!!
And what do u mean by the comment i dont have anything to bring to the convo? at least i can try to air my views about somethin else and not be so narrow minded that i have to flame everyone who has a different view point than maself?
I've been testing phones at a high level for around 4yrs now and know what it takes to make a phone great... this thread was a way of me airing my displeasure at the fact SE have released a handset which features wise is going backwards slightly and that no1 on here can say a bad word as a lot of SE fanboys seem to not like ne1 bad mouthin SE lol.
Its threads like this that would push people off this forum and onto others which allow a more adult chat about the differences about handsets and manufacturers and not a flame war (which is what this thread has turned into lol.)
I'm still sittin in the ball park that the P990i is too late in features and that they r lucky they have a very loyal base for the P series of handsets... and i've also noticed that sales of this handset havent been as amazin as the P900 or P800 was (i have acess to this info!)...
I have seen more an more ppl goin for devices from HTC an blackberry r doin well! But whilst sales of the P990i have been good there has been a drop which only proves the fact that SE waited a little too long in many ppls eyes!
Anyways thats me done for this thread as the only ppl now inhabitin it are flamers/ SE fanboys who dont wanna hear a bad word said about their beloved SE lol...
J.
Posted by ares
You insist in LIES
6280 DOES NOT HAVE a2dp...you just have to check NOKIAīs own specs, and this list of A2DP compatible phones
http://www.robertwebbe.nl/A2DP.html
Like it was said, right now, Nokia only has the 8800 model in the market, supporting such feature
You CANīT install anything only software based in a phone and make it a2dp ready, unless you use specific hardware at the same time
I just canīt consider anyone that inistis in such big lies OVER AND OVER to be worth of debating any subject seriously
I end here talking to you, go tell your storys to your little mates at school, they might believe you
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Posted by DragonEye
sorry but
msi software does not count.....
lol
nokia always plays mp3 vis bluetooth through both ears....but it's mono..
Posted by jj03
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querty keyboard/touchscreen(uiq specific as compared to nokia)..of course, the screen res is lower, sound quality is inadequate, web browser inferior, to name a few (in favour of the n80)..
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i don't think opera is inferiror to safari but if you say so...
the sound quality is better on the p990i then the n80