Posted by axxxr
I-Mobile,a wireless communications company in Thailand has launched two mobile phones (609i and 609) with Nazi symbols and insignias printed on them.
The phones are designed with three penguins dressed in striped inmate uniforms and helmets saluting to a swastika.
Posted by Winger
That is really out of order! how can you have a design like that?!
Posted by Kwiksta
Probably get sued sooner or later...
Posted by axxxr
or bombed!
I'm really surprised and shocked that some phone manufacturer would actually do this...I mean is their a market for such in korea?..however its all in incredibly bad taste.
Posted by bart
i don't see the problem?
many people before hitler did much crueler things. julius Caeser murderd and slaved thousands of people. Napolean wasn't that kind. Stalin murderd everybody in its way, even famely.
what happend in WO2 was a very sad and dramatic thing, but we have learnd from it.
Posted by Vein
Is this the right or left facing swastika? The left facing one was the one in which the Nazis did not use.
Rudyard Kipling used the left facing swastika in his books up until 1936.
But the salutations towards the symbol give it away
Posted by Berry
@ Vein - Do you read encyclopedia all day long? You always come up with bits of information
Posted by amnesia
lol you can't get sued for that. It's just a wallpaper.
Isn't that freedom of expression or something the US calls?
Posted by BobaFett
but why penguins?
Posted by madzanta
Budhism is the biggest religion in Thailand and the Swastika is a symbol that the Budhists (among other religions) have been using for ages. You can see it all around asia and it have NOTHING TO TO WITH NAZISM. But that doesnt explain the penguins though.
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Posted by amnesia
penguins are commonly used in China and Thailand as cute characters.
Posted by ofiaich
Hi!
here is`a small part of a map of Nara in Japan,
You can see the Swastika symbol clearly.
It was also used on the war flag of the lord Tsugaru Nobuhiro
1586-1631
but you can see the symbol is reversed...
Also about the Japanese symbol..
A folk dance troupe from Tokushima Prefecture modifed the designs of their kimono's to eliminate the Buddhist swastika when they performed their dance in Germany as part of the World Cup soccer festivities.
The Buddhist swastika was the family emblem of the feudal lord who ruled the area that includes Tokushima.
I also heard that Children light lamps that are laid out in the shape of Swastika, on the eve of Diwali. This is on the eve of Hindu new year, a major Hindu festival.
Off to look for Penguins now....!
Ofiaich
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Posted by madzanta
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Well everything thats cute is commonly used in asia. BUT its not common that the characters hail!
And I have in mind that the Swastika on japanese maps are used to mark a shrine/temple. And OT, have been to Nara
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Posted by ofiaich
Hi !
" And I have in mind that the Swastika on japanese maps are used to mark a shrine/temple. "
I think a temple is marked with a small Torii gate symbol!
Ofiaich
Posted by amnesia
"Well everything thats cute is commonly used in asia. BUT its not common that the characters hail! "
Lol yes, but he asked why the Penguin was used, not what are they doing.
I think the wallpaper is a play on different things.
Thai have a high Budhist pop I think?
Plus the Heil came from Heil Ceasar.
It's just that Hitler made the Swastika symbol and the Heil bad things.
We should look at the positive side.
So when you see a swastika next time, think of Buddha and next someone Heil's, think of the Roman Empire
Posted by jack00
do you know that this symbole means luck in some places over the world ?
or that coca cola used this symbol around 1928 to advertise its products ?
Posted by BobaFett
some more swastika
http://images.google.hu/image[....]&btnG=K%C3%A9pek+Keres%C3%A9se
the swastika raises usually more attention and "anger, hate", like the red star, which is the symbol of communism, which system wasnt any better like the third reich and red star is even on heineken. systems loves to use icons, but if a system isnt really welcome in history, the icons is letaly wrong interpretated...
ps: history is always written by the winners...
Posted by amnesia
yes so lets think of the nice side and not the bad side
When I see swastika, I think Luck now
Posted by scottyd
like all people if you have direct links with something your always going to oppose such things.
in these countries where it is a traditional symbol i tihnk its fine.
but being jewish stuff like this in the uk wud upset me, knowing my own family were killed etc and it just fuels srereotypes, which arnt true.
but good to see everyone heres very respectful and intelligent.
Posted by amnesia
why would it upset you. England didn't have anything to do with Germany...
I mean, you are saying that people can't have swastikas just because you're Jewish? EVEN if they don't mean it in the Hitler sense?
I mean, it's not anybody's place to decide who and who can't use a symbol.... If I perceived the cross to be a bad symbol, could I ask people to stop using it?
Posted by goldenface
This is purely culture based.
In the UK a swastika has far right-wing connotations. It was used in by the Nazi party and unfortunately it will, for a long time, be associated with them so for people in Europe at least it has bad connections.
Hitler didn't just murder Jews, he also extermintated, blacks, gays, asians and anyone who didn't fit in with is idea of his Aryan race. Intolerance, racism, are just a few words one can link to the symbol.
It would be quite normal in the UK for any use of the swastika to be viewed in bad taste.
However, I can perfectly understand that in the far-east / eastern culture it might have a different meaning.
Posted by jack00
in austria its compleltly forbiten and also gets punished with jail, if you ware or what ever, somewhere such a logo (even if its not the way, the nazis draw it) - because people connect swasticas with nazis
its only allowed if you can prove that you only use it for scientifitc reasons
i really love this picture
it really shows that swasticas have their origin in positiv way
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Posted by dcbastable
@goldenface
You nailed the argument, i 100% totally agree.
Posted by goldenface
@Jack00
Yes, I like that picture too, it shows the original meaning of the symbol before it was 'hijacked'. Good stuff!
Posted by Prom1
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Yes this is true ... however its unsaid yet understood "Freedom of speech, just watch what you say" - like ICE T said.
Posted by amnesia
Yes I believe in Freedom of speech just watch what you say.
However the US doesn't...
Posted by scottyd
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wyou got to look at things from my point of view if you had family killed by such a ting your gonna have a bias view against it.
and whilst you can argue the orgional form of it is ok to use, you can just as efectively argue the oposite way, which in my oppinion is that it is something with a stigma that should be avoided in the uk, it would do more harm to allow its wide use than preventing it would do.
Posted by goldenface
I must say I agree with Scottyd. Its a symbol that has a lot of stigma attached to it and it would be hard to reclaim the symbol, as far as Europe is concerned anyway. Even the word 'Hitler' is an ugly word to most people.
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Posted by whizkidd
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
The swastika is a sign for good luck , fortune and well being in India (For Hindus). Swastika is infact a Sanskrit word...
Posted by aragorn666
swastika is one of the oldest symbols of humans
it was used by mohanjedaro civilisation
used by hindus buddhists...
its actual meaning is MANGAL meaning GOOD TO ALL
but the ****** nazis destroyed its meaning
its a sacred symbol in INDIA
Posted by aragorn666
SWASTIKA is a sanskrit word and is a very old symbol
4-5 BC
Posted by bart
anywhere we can download that background?