Posted by axxxr
Here is a Trailer for a new documentary film called "Jesus Camp" what in the world are the teaching these kids? WATCH HERE
Posted by QuickShare
i lost my words after watched that vids.. i might kill the person who started this kind of lesson.. they spoiled those kid..
one thing that makes me more angry was the mother seems to enjoy what their kids doing ! DARN! 
Posted by amnesia
I saw some hypocracy because they said "in Palestine they put grenades in the hands of Children", then they say "We are building God's army"
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What's more, if I remember correctly, it was the Israeli kids that were signing that rocket which was blasted to Lebanon.
Posted by axxxr
hypocracy...Absolutely!
Here are those Israeli Kids signing bombs that killed hundreds of lebanese civilians!
Posted by QuickShare
gosh.. those kids have no idea what they doing.. they're totally affected!
Posted by SsTiTcH
Saw the pic of the children signing bombs in the paper here.. Its a shame a new generation learning and perpetuating the Hatred and Stupidity of the last generation.. And ppl wonder why the world is in the mess its in.. Children should have a childhood not be taught its ok to kill others by their others instead.. *Sigh* I guess humanity will never learn...
Posted by Luke-the-magic-man
man thats f**ked up. Both the signing of the bombs and this jesus lark, seriously theres no divine intervention and no god, your born, you live you die. God is a coping mechanism for those who fear things like death.
Things dont happen for a reson things happen becasue we make them happen.
the weird thing is the kids in we love jesus video seem maturer which isodd, looks to me like a cristina preaching army who whould be willing to commit acts of terroism for their false beliefs, so soon were going to have a load of catholic extremists, not just the minoritys.
makes me sick
Posted by amnesia
it all depends on your interpretation of God.
It could be a super human being, it could be something mystical, it could just be an idea, it could be light, it could be anything, but there diffinately is a God. It's just your definition which changes.
Posted by k4m!k4ze
Isnt this similar to those jihadi camps/schools where they train children at a young age to wage jihad ???? What makes this different from those ?
Posted by amnesia
I knew that argument would come up.
I've not seen these camps. I'd love to see one.
At the end of the day, it's hypocracy. You can't say, LOOK! JIHAD CAMPS! and then make a Christian war camp. It doesn't make sense to me.
We need to break the chain.
Posted by SsTiTcH
True.. We do need to break the chain. It starts with people learning to TALk with each other in a calm rational way..and with US Adults setting a better example for our children to follow as they learn from OUR actions.. Oops will get off the soapbox now..
Posted by ADT0079
Atleast these israeli children can read and write...They might not know what they are doing now by signing the bombs but at some point they will be educated enough to make there own choice on right or wrong...Hezbollah on the other hand Uneducated kids that will never know the diffirence between right and wrong...
Posted by Nitro Fan
yet another wasted thread, There is nothing in this movie that is not pumped out by others religeons wishing to radicalise their youth.
Posted by Nitro Fan
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All religous zealots blame others for all their problems, On one thing is true Religeon has allways killed more people than it has saved, no matter what clothes it wears they are all as bad as each other, dont let any of them tell you otherwise and one is is certian they will all tell you they are the blamless ones!
Posted by axxxr
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So being able to read and write makes it ok does it?...choices later on in life for these kids are not the issue..the problem is that hatred is being encouraged and planted in their memorys which is impossible to remove as most here would know ...childhood memories rarely go away.
And how can you say Hezbollah kids are uneducated?..They are just as educated and knowledgeable as Israeli kids....I see your prejudice is coming through..Children should be kept away from extremism and taught to respect every race culture and religion.
Posted by Nitro Fan
I would love to know the name of the photographer who took those photographs and the agency he was working for. They all seem jus a bit to posed for me and so nicley close cropped with no real points of reference to show where they were actualy taken... Seems just the thing to inflame the zealots, a bit like the shots "supposedly" of arab kids celebrating the success of the 9/11 attacks and the ones "supposedly" of Palastinians kids holding rifles, see it for what it is propaganda nothing more nothing less.
Posted by axxxr
I think Rosie O Donnel sums up radical christianity: WATCH HERE she just gained a lot of respect in my book!
Posted by REO
Rosie says " Iraq and afghanistan never threaten to kill us ".
What a laugh..... She's as dumb as a mule.
Rosie has no clue and is also perverted.
Posted by joebmc
They're not missles, they are artillary shells. I do not know what the silver tip designates. The US color codes I think for munitions are.
Red: Incendiary
Blue: High Explosive
Black: Dummy practice
I don't know about silver. Loking at the pictures, it does not appear to be in a high explosive or live ammo area. It appears the pictures were taken for some publicity campaign.
Some sickos idea of propaganda.
I think the best way to stop this kind of weird stuff is to let children grow up without religion forced opon them and let them decide whats what when their older enough.
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Posted by slattery69
reminds me of a program on channel 4 a few weeks ago. cant remember the title.
basically 2 kids on isreali and one from palistine, and followed them through school. equally as fightening on bother sides. the isreali child was taught that palestine was to blame for all the problems and the palestine child was taught isreal was to blame, bothe rwere getting taught qutie extreme view points and it was fairly frightening.
quite frankly i take the lot of them and give them a simple choose, you can either live in peace and get a long or weve found a nice island were you can all go and do what ever you want to each other whenever you want and leave the rest of us who can get a long to do just that.
and i reckon within a year theyll have just about killed each other and the rest of us can carry on trying to get along
Posted by msmmsm
I would go one step further and put all religious people on one island and watch them wipe each other out. Peace at last
Posted by amnesia
I think it's funny how you are comparing Israeli shells with the US. (perhaps you are hinting you have more in common?)
Afghanistan has 100% NEVER threatened America.
I find it funny that there is ONE photo that shows Israel in bad light and someone thinks it's posed, but when you 'conveniantly' see an Iraqi or Palestinian, it's the truth.
My point is, when it comes to a Muslim in bad light NONE of you would even doubt the fact that it may be untrue.
Posted by axxxr
Well said mate.....At the end of the day all it boils down to is plain and simple racism and islamaphobia.
Posted by SsTiTcH
Am just amazed that so many people believe what they see in the media. Maybe if people stop and get to know each other as Human beings without the misguided influences of the media, politicians and religious leaders. They would learn that they have more in common than they think, and from there work together to make a better world. But until people wake up and say enough we want better it will never happen. Too easy for them to follow the crowd and believe the lies.
Posted by amnesia
The photo was taken by the Associated Press.
Some said "they're used!"
Oh yeah, this shows otherwise.
Posted by 02
Thats the source of EVIL there... Israel and their insane Yahudi people who runs that country.. spoiling the kids with war and signin bombs... thats just pure dumb and EVIL.
Try doing that shit at the U.S and let the U.S people see these pictures.... If thats happens... I'll be supporting Bush all the way.. if that is he do something unlike a worthless war he did in Iraq all for nothing..
Posted by amnesia
no O2, don't be a hypocrit.
Be more specific, you "hate those who hate" in Israel.
Posted by 02
Yes Im sorry.. I got over reacted..
But this just proves the world... that the U.S has been a friend of evil... why cant the U.S just be friends with Iraq and all other Muslim nation..
Posted by Sammy_boy
Again, all sides are guilty of something. I would say that most Christians, Muslims, and non-religious people want to get along in harmony and have the same hopes, fears, and drives in many areas of their lives.
As others have said, I find myself wishing that there was no religion in the world as it seems to cause more conflicts and do almost as much evil (if not more) than good. I'm sick of Islamophobia, Christianaphobia (Is that a word?), or any other kind of 'phobia' linked to what religion you are!
Blanket blind hatred for one country is as bad as hating a religion. I don't like the current US administration, but that doesn't mean I hate America. I don't like what these extremists are doing in the name of Islam but it doesn't lead to me hating Islam. Israel have committed atrocities, but so have those fighting Israel. No one side is blameless. We might have more sympathy for one side or another as they have more in common with our views, religion, society etc. but that is bias. You must look objectively at the sitatation and see that both sides in a conflict are usually as bad as the other.
Posted by axxxr
I don't actually agree with all your points but anyway,we've been here many a time before.
Time for a little sing song called Pirates and Emporers which explains the situation in a light hearted manner.
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Posted by joebmc
The problem is (with regards to the Jesus camp) to them that’s normal, to most of us that’s pretty f’d up. But to me going to church once a week and praying to something you cant see or praying five times every day to something that no one has ever seen or worshiping a cow is pretty messed up.
It all depends on ones belief. To them a Hindus rituals are strange or a Jews…etc
With regard to the hypocrisy with the photos of the girls writing on rockets, every religious group has its nutters who will bring up their children with twisted ideas.
I’m sure if I wanted to (but can’t really be arsed) I could find hundreds of photos of Muslim children at hate marches holding place cards or chanting death to the Kafir. (although I’d pretty much have a hard time finding Hindus or Buddists). Fact is each side have done wrong.
Posted by Cycovision
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Maybe you should. It's the most sensible, reasonable and passive post I've seen in this thread so far.
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Im not saying its not,most of it is perfectly sensible as sammy_boy is the most sensible and neutral members here....but that doesn't meant to say that i should have to agree with every single point....but like i mentioned we have covered the same topic in various threads in the past and its pointless going over it again.
Posted by amnesia
as usual Joebm, you prove my point.
People try to act unbiased. Your post acts as if it's trying to be 'fair' but you've just dissed out Muslims. *sighs*
The whole point of this thread (I think) is to show that it's not just Muslims that can look bad but ALL religions.
It's funny, I see this "Look at Muslims they're chanting hate rhymes", "yeah but so do the Jews, look here", "so what? Look at the Muslims!!!"
Edit: and it's not religion that is bad, it's the people who MISUSE religion that are bad.
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Posted by axxxr
Why am i not surprised that joebmc would diss out muslims....prejudice eventually shows in the ones who pretend to be something else.
Until and unless we can all get past our ignorance and fears of other religions we can never be able to settle our differences.
Posted by Sammy_boy
Yes, this thread is going down the same route as other threads in the past!
@axxxr - which points to you disagree with me on, just out of interest?
@cyco - thanks!
I just wish more people would see things that way, i.e. in a more objective way free of bias, prejudice, and rhetoric. Problem is there are a lot of very biased and opinionated people around who are determined to force their views on others, and sadly they are often in positions of power, like in government, or religious leaders, etc. I think I'm after an impossible ideal there!
Posted by joebmc
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Well that’s because they make up the large part of people doing bad acts in the name of religion! Christians, Jews and Muslims are all bad as each other!
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Yet in the forth post theres properganda posted in favour of muslims, yet that’s fine.
IMO the hole point of this thread is another stab at American and people of different faith to the thread starter.
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It’s not my thought that most of the hate comes from Muslims is it? I would love to find some things on Hindu terrorists or Buddhist terrorists but they hardly exist!
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No your right, but there will never be peace with religion because us humans simple cant get along with others who have different beliefs and its enforced by their religions not to do so!
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guess that’s the same for why you continually attack Americans.
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Posted by axxxr
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I don't want to get into too much detail as will it just result in flaming with the kind of people we have here...i can see that...But to keep it simple...In a perfect world what you said would be great but thats not the kind of world we live in...you know as well as i do we are far from it....Its just not possible!
Posted by amnesia
@joe, no they don't!
It's just that when a murderer in America kills someone, they say "a murderer killed someone" not "a Christian killed someone"
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It's funny, I see this "Look at Muslims they're chanting hate rhymes", "yeah but so do the Jews, look here", "so what? Look at the Muslims!!!"
It’s not my thought that most of the hate comes from Muslims is it? I would love to find some things on Hindu terrorists or Buddhist terrorists but they hardly exist!
You didn't address the point at all.
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Posted by slattery69
perhaps the simple answer is just this all relgions have nutters within them and yes good decent muslims christians jews etc ive got news for you so do your religions
its about time all these religions got together and started to sort out the problem.
change can only come from within these religions very little can be done from outside forces as they believe they are been governed by a far higher power.
quite frankly i d be pleased to see the back of all the major religions in the world as they bring nothing but misery and false hope to people while some people sit at the top and line there already over filled pockets.
Posted by axxxr
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Again your ignorance and prejudice gets the better of you....The reality is if you actually do your research is that most of the hate comes from Radical Christianity i.e Bush style! ....he invades and mass murders in the name of jesus christ....when muslims defend themselves they become terrorists...Your so incredibly ignorant ...You don't find hindu or bhudhist terrorists because they are not being oppressed by america or israel thats why.....
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You crack me up...When have you ever seen me attack americans for their religious beliefs??...Most of my criticism as most know here is purely political....Most of my opinions are supported by many of my american friends....but thankfully they have open minds and are not so ignorant....everything i say about americans i can back up with the same statements by my fellow american friends....you really need to do your research a be a bit more open minded!....On the other hand your criticism of muslims only stems from racism.
Posted by amnesia
@slattery, that's what I'm trying to say! Finally!
Posted by Sammy_boy
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True, this is definately not a perfect world. BUT.... if we can release ourselves from the shackles and impositions of thought forced on us by these organised religions, and take responsibility for our own actions rather than delegating all responsibility to some mythical 'God' we would certainly be a lot better off than we are now....
Though human nature being what it is we'll simply find something else to fight over.... Is it no wonder alien life forms haven't made first contat with us yet? Our solar system's probably got a Government health warning plastered all over Pluto saying "Warning, Keep Clear. Human Being Infestation, HUMANS ARE BAD FOR YOUR HEALTH AND SANITY!"
Posted by joebmc
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When a Christian murders someone and claims its in the name of Christianity then yes you have a point. But they don’t.
Just love the hypocrisy here! If this was a trailer about so weird Islamic mosque preaching hate against the west (which lets be honest do exist), you would be up in arms!
Posted by Nitro Fan
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Is what you are saying "to question what is presented as truth without evidence is rascist and Islamaphobic" that is a complete joke, No wonder this world is going the way it is.
Posted by axxxr
Nitro Fan this thread is trying to work out our differences and get past the petty religious hatred that is being knocked around us everywhere...If we can't practice tolerance oursleves...how can we teach our children to respect others?
Posted by amnesia
How about if someone kills you and names it in the name of 'America'?
"Just love the hypocrisy here!"
You obviously don't know what the meaning of the word is.
There may not be a trailer, but there are TONS of other stuff. and THAT is what brings about hate.
Read my first posts. You are bad at looking at retrospect.
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Posted by Nitro Fan
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I agree but it seems to me this thread is being used to portraty anything other than the views of a small one topic minority as rubbish! In my original post I merely had the audacity to question the authenticity of a photo, as I thought it was almost certainly designed to enrage people who might take a view against Israels defence of its security.
I was very clear that I thought certain other photos had been designed to show your muslims in a bad light but that was ingnored and instead I have been labled everything short of being a nazi (Nothing could be further fvrom the truth) our expat from Qatar has clearly not bothered to read my post properly yet is very keen to attack me.
I have every reason to dislike and question religeon of ANY kind, many of my ancestors were destroyed but those seeking to get rid of "my kind" some 60 years ago, aparently from their insignia "Got Mit Uns" was enough to convince many of them that God was on their side and therfore in destroying us they were doing right! but surely that was wrong? So I still take the view that religeon has and will kill many more people than it will save. Children sould NEVER be indoctrinated with any kind of religeon their lives are too precious to left in the hands of those who can only ever think in one direction.
Posted by SsTiTcH
@ Nitro .. I dont mind being quoted . However I was not just referring to political leaders but religious leaders as well. And im not advocating any religion. So please in future read and pay attention to detail. What I advocate is people thinking for themselves instead of blindly following others along with using calm rational discussion to settle disputes. And in taking time to understand both ourselves and others in order to make the world better, instead of the way people feed on past hatreds .
Posted by Nitro Fan
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Sorry mate but to the best of my knowledge I have not quoted you at all, so I am not really sure what you are talking about however please feel free to show were I have quoted you. I was merely questioning a picture for a reasons I will not explain yet again.