Posted by upper
Is it?
Posted by axxxr
Interesting.....I wonder what campaign that was?
Posted by Evil Eye
which place/country is that?
Posted by blu_6779
helsinki, finland?
Posted by fatreg
yeah Helsinki in Finland..
i see no reason why it can't be looked on as true.. to be fair what has george dubdya done to try and restore peace to the middle east?
i've only ever heard reports of hostility and firing... doesn't sound much like peace to me....
yes i don't see him killing loads of jews but he has sure enough killed enough Muslims?
fatreg
Posted by siamese plantpot
@fatreg, i agree with that post but i dont see him as being in any way as clever as hitler and it was that brain that got him access to so many opportunities to devastate countries around the world. so i just feel that whatever bad may be being done it is done by amazingly different methods, more different than can be expected just by the passing of time.
Posted by fatreg
true george dubbya isnt the sharpest tool in the box.. but he is in charge of the most powerful coutry in the world...
so don't doubt his powers that much.. we all know why he is still in the Middle East...
the US would shut down if they didnt have their petrol.. afaik George just wants to keep all the oil fields and be done with it...
fatreg
Posted by axxxr
Quite well said mate.
The only major difference i see between Adolf and Dubya is that Mr Adolf was a bit more honest and direct about what he did..and Mr Bush is taking more of a softly softly approach.
Posted by siamese plantpot
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i'd say very well said haha. tore my post to pieces but he's right
Posted by fatreg
don't worry. im not here to rip peoples posts to piece.. just voicing my opinion and yeah sometimes i get a lil too involved..
@ axxxr... softly softly.. i don't see how guns, bombs and deaths can constitute to the softly softly approach...
but yeah Hitler and Bush are on two completley different levels.. Hitler was cold and hard and knew what he wanted.. Bush is powerful but gets told what to do.. he's a puppet..
fatreg
Posted by amnesia
you know what they say.
Hitler and George where the same, except Hitler was open about what he wanted to do, George is sneaky.
Posted by axxxr
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Well what i meant by that is Bush has'nt quite managed to killed 6 Million muslims..yet!...thats why he' taking more of a softly softly approach.
So you basically answered your own question here,but thats correct.
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Posted by siamese plantpot
i hope we never see bush push the extent of his business as far as hitler. although he could already have done and hidden it in politics.
@fatreg, i wasnt like complaining lol- and bush may be a puppet but he has an amazing amount of people under his control, including, sadly, tony blair...
Posted by fatreg
the sooner he goes the better...
i've regretted him being in power since 1997... sadly i was too young to do anything about it.. but now im not and i plan on making my vote count!!
fatreg
Posted by upper
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True say, we dont want a country who is runned by another country and espeacially being many miles away, i mean whats the use having a prime minister then?
Posted by gelfen
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if that were true, the easiest way to achieve it would have been to keep out of the middle east. they would have happily sold it to him.
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do you honestly and seriously believe that is his goal? i mean really?
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Posted by axxxr
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If dubya completely had his his way,I truly believe his goal is to erradicate and discredit Islam and if thats not possible then he would go down the route of Hitler and destroy all muslims.
Posted by gelfen
do you even hear yourself? if that was his real goal he would have done it by now. the US certainly has the resources and technology to do it.
what he really wants is for all muslims to be alive and well in capitalist societies so he can sell them cheeseburgers, because then he wouldn't need their oil - he'd have their hearts and minds.
Posted by axxxr
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I do hear myself and i know completely what im saying,just that other people just seem to not want to hear me.
I agree the U.S does have the resources do such a thing but your intelligent enough to understand that even they can't go ahead with such a direct approach..after all muslim nations may be weaker than the U.S but they sure as hell can fight back...so he's useing the discredit Islam approach,...9/11 was part of ploy to make blame Islam look bad and evil and his justification to invade muslim countries and give them as you said cheesburgers i.e: western culture and eventually turn people against Islam.
Believe you me he will never succeed in making certain muslim nation into capatalist states..it goes against Islamic belief..eventually people from those countries will realise and they are begining to now and eventually will reject the U.S.
I don't think any sensible country would want a disneyland culture thrust upon them.
Posted by max_wedge
The Bush's crimes are more insidious; he is such a weak President, he is a complete tool of hidden corporate forces (aka illuminati), but Bush senior is not so stupid. He is one of them.
Hitler was unhindered by illuminati control, and in fact they gave him a free reign. They even bank rolled him, little known fact: the Bush's provided banking services to Hitler during WWII. The US refused to enter WWII untill they had no option (Pearl Harbour), further evidence that the power base in the US was not interested in limiting Hitler.
So on one hand you have the Jew loving Bush's, doing everything to preserve Israeli's dominance in the Middle East, but why are the Jews in the middle east in the first place? Why does Israel exist? Because the overwhelming numbers of Jews who fled to Israel during the holocaust, and the world wide sympathy vote that allowed Israel to come into existance despite the fact a sovereign state of Palestine already existed in that location.
On the other hand you have the Bush's history of colluding with Hitler. This all says to me that the Bush's manufactured the development of the state of Israel, by allowing Hitler free reign to expel the Jews from Europe.
See how they care nothing for the individual people involved - it's all about internation politics and power, nothing to do with the happiness of sovereign peoples or even their own people.
It seems all doom and gloom, destined to face a third world war, but I don't believe in that line of thinking. Despite appearances, I see that the power is in the hands of the people. People around the world are standing up and saying to their leaders, "this isn't what we asked for" when war breaks out. Instead of accepting the worn old claims from aged leaders that "we must fight or they will destroy us", young people are rejecting this axiom altogether. Soon they will start to replace the old bastards in power now and they will lay down the arms.
When the Illuminati allowed democracy to develop, they thought it the perfect tool to lull people into false sense of security, but they made a mistake. The principle at the root of democracy is the right to freedom of choice. People throughout the world, Russia, Asia, Middles East and of course the West, have all been exposed to democracy (for good or for worse) but ultimately it has meant almost a whole generation of all of Earth's people has grown up accustomed to the idea that an individual has freedom of choice. Their leaders tell them that war is inevitable, but the youth know that they can choose peace, and they will.
The descendents of Abraham will look at eachother, Israeli to Palestinian, and recognise eachother as brother and sister. They will lay down the arms, and the screaming ranting Zionist and Arab extremists will fade into obscurity.
Posted by axxxr
max_wedge very well said mate,i could'nt agree more...I think you've pretty much summed it up.
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Posted by max_wedge
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hehe, I had a little rant there
I guess it just irks me that it's allways turned into an "us or them" scanario by the powers that be. We should refuse to play their game. There can and will be peace in the middle east.
@gelfen, I agree with this also: "what he really wants is for all muslims to be alive and well in capitalist societies so he can sell them cheeseburgers, because then he wouldn't need their oil - he'd have their hearts and minds. "
Ultimately, the Illuminati will do what ever it needs to maintain wealth, so if through democracy people change the political landscape of an area, the Illuminati will be forced to follow. The power is in the hands of the people (even if they have to wrest it from despots first through armed struggle).
If there is peace in the middle east, then there will be a huge increase in consumer trade in that area. It can only benefit all parties. It won't be trade that benefits America only, but the US will have access to that markets as much as any player, and yes they will sell more cheeseburgers.
If Israel and Palestine draw their own peace, they will dictate ecconomic terms that are mutually beneficial and not brokered by the US, imho.
Posted by *Jojo*
Original Nokias (and some still now) were made in Finland ! I wonder what it says in Sweden?
Posted by axxxr
*Jojo* i think you've got the wrong thread mate!
Posted by *Jojo*
@axxxr - Nope, I'm IN pal ! I just looked at the IMAGE with - upper's first post . . . and did NOT bother reading all of your 'hullaballoos' there after
Posted by axxxr
Ah i see.....thought you got confused their for a second!
Posted by *Jojo*
@axxxr - Naaaaah . . . I'm keen dude . . . just like my \"Return of the Comeback\" post !
I was just wonderin' why they post posters/images like that - openly in Finland
To scare away Nokia investors?
Posted by axxxr
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No because its the truth.... and in any free society people's Freedom of thought and expression should be respected.
Posted by *Jojo*
. . . no comment !
Posted by axxxr
Good Answer!