Posted by jb
Eh. Snow Plowing Vehicle.
Posted by lingart
sounds good
what will the £6 include? and when is the confirmed release date?
looks very good for the price.
Posted by [MDS]
sendo z100 is better, imo. sendo also has a sd card... and it will not crash and boot for 30 seconds, do not confuse it with a desktop with thousands of files on your hdd, this is a phone for haven sakes.... it will load like any other phone and it will not crash everyday, may be once in a while... it is still by far superior to what p800 has to offer...
Posted by ppcrockar
Yeah it's just a phone, and a desktop computer is just a computer and shouldn't need to be shutdown properly and shouldn't have boot times of >30s. All that is M$ fault. And I wouldn't be surprised if the same is true for their phones. AFAIK the Smartphone OS is based on PocketPC (Windows CE) which gives a hint of the OS.
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Posted by pinolo77
I am happy that my post built such a confrontation.
I would like to say that P800 is OLD... And it is not even out. It is an old phone.
From a features point of view P800 is still ahead, but from a SW point of view? How many applications will be available for
phones with a SDK that expensive? How many people have already experience in SD on Microsoft and might adapt their products to fit this new platform?
The only thing that I dislike in the Orange phone is the fact that it has no touch screen. But I bet that a Microsoft OS powered phone will come out sooner than
P800.
I was extatic when I heard all the wonders promised by the P800. But time has passed and I got pi**d off with the continuos delays and also with their attitude towards customers.
I think I will just stick around and wait... Too bad MS is against
...
Anyway, Integrated camera never convinced me.. Think about it, those of you who have a t68m/i already had the possibility to have two cameras (MCA10 - MCA20). If it was integrated you would just have had one...
This phone looks interesting and promising.
To those who say that it has an ugly design I would like to ask what they think about the P800 design
And I would like to know from
why they added a memory stick duo and didn't also replace the screen with a tft 64k one... It would have made sense, don't you think?
The screen on a PDA phone is very important, almost one of the most important things...
Anyway, these are my thoughts about it. Two more months and no one will buy a P800, there will simply be too many alternatives on the market.
Posted by celios
You hit the nail right on the head pinolo77, I work in software development as a Java developer and am one of the biggest M$ haters in town, but I have to take my hat off to them... they got a product out the door, no slipping release dates, no messing their (potential) customers around. From here, without trying it, the SPV looks like a quality product.
The P800 will be the first phone to be obsolete on the day of release. 2 months ago I would have paid up to 1000Euro for a P800, now I'm looking at the Vodafone GX-10, Panasonic GD87 and might even swallow my pride and look at the SPV. When you add into the equation that the price estimates for the P800 put it way above all the competitors,
are starting to look just a tiny a bit silly and just a tiny bit doomed.
When the world's biggest consumer electronics company and a (former
) market leader of the mobile phone market can't get a phone released within half a year of the original planned release date, they deserve to go out of business!
Roll on 2003, the P800 will be released - but will anyone notice by then?? They probably won't have any money to buy it after they've stocked up the latest goodies from Panasonic, Siemens, Orange, Vodaphone and Samsung.
I'll bet it was M$ who courted Orange and not the other way around,
seem to be far too arrogant and just think we'll buy whatever they release when they see fit to thrust it upon us.
P800 - too little, too late.
Posted by lingart
OK guys back from the office - nice little debate going on here ...
Ive had a quick sniff at that demo and to be honest the phone is looking good - I think someone hit it right when it was said shame no touch screen.
On the demo it also says a NOV 11th release date - so its looking very promising!!
Im getting mine then...
Posted by T68iFan
As nice as this Orange smartphone appears, I think I’d still prefer the P800 for a few reasons. First, I’ve been extremely pleased with my t68i, so if the P800 is as functional and reliable as the t68i, then I think it will win my vote. Second, I want an integrated camera, not an attachment. Third, I actually like the P800’s design. Lastly, I like the fact that you can detach the P800’s keypad altogether.
- T68iFan
Posted by n|ck_xp
That phone ROKS!!!
The only negative things who it have is no build camera and bluetooth.
But Add on camera 640X480 is in the Box and Bluetooth SD is coming out soon!!!
I dont know guys I like that phone so much!
Posted by n|ck_xp
I just read the Phone is gonna offering in Europe just from Orange.
In the USA other GSM providers is going offer the phone next year.
Who knows maybe is gonna be with bluetooth in the USA...
Posted by pinolo77
I don't think it will ever have
...
Unless the manufacturers decide to build it in.
The reason, I have red this somewhere but don't remember where, is that MS doesn't like
because this tech means that the computer will no longer be at the center of the home electronics. It makes sense to me on the short term. If devices can sync without problems and many standards can co-exist (I can sync my phone with my palm and so on) Windows will no longer be the center of electronics.
The theory however does not convince me that much...
There still is one reason that makes more sense to me...
MS created this phone in strong partnership with an operator (Orange) and
is a technology that allows to play games and share documents without using the network... So I guess they want to please the carriers.
If someone has a better explanation it is welcome.
One thing I am also waiting for is for Apple to release a PDA phone, I know it is in their plans.
All those things will happen really soon...
But I don't expect MS smartphones to have
as part of their standard features in the near future.
I also think that someone mentioned a really intersting point.
, since the joint venture was created, tend to use no standards... Look at the memory stick duo and the expensive SDK.
Ericsson invented
but everyone can use it... Sony invented MiniDisc, MemoryStick and now MemoryStick Duo and does not license them. This slows those standards acceptance dramatically down.
Nokia is doing the same mistake.
Microsoft has unterstood (maybe because of previous negative experiences) that, in order to lead the market, they have to tease carriers... To make products appealing.
Now I make a guess... Microsoft invests a lot of money to produce a smartphone EXACTLY how Orange wants, with all the features (I am not talking about this phone but a future one) and the options Orange wants. And then Microsoft will put shortcuts to its own product sites, sell Server Software and all other kinds of software to Orange in order to enhance the phones... Think about updates of the phone SW through GPRS (or 3G), with whose software will this be made possible?
Both parties win. That is the difference between this deal and other deals between carriers and manufacturers.
This is just a guess though
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Posted by Devilman
I think the point is right about SE taking their time on releasing a product. This is how they loose out on a big market share (it does not take a man in a white coat to work that out) Look at Nokia and Siemens etc. No messing around in their departments. SE is going to have to pull up their socks with onset of MS in the mobile market. Who don't waste time.
Questions
1, The SPV will it work with my Vodafone pay as you go card.
2, Is the SPV a smart phone or a 3G phone!!!
P.S
I was thinking about spending my money on the P800, but after all the pissing about with the release dates I think I might have to go for the SPV.
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I have to dispute you on that. Everything in their phones, except maybe the duo-stick-thing, are open-standards-compliant. As I understand it, SE has the best support for syncing technologies, browser compliance, and bluetooth support. There is even a version of GCC for mophun. That is further in terms of "freedom" than any other phone-maker has gone.
The UIQ SDK as such is free of charge. To use it to develop native C++ symbian applications you need the IDE, which is not an SE-product. Do you understand this?
Your argument does not hold.
And btw, at the moment it does not matter so much that they use memstick instead of anything else. Memory-technology market is still changing.
Nokia does everything but comply to standards; in a way that is one of their strategic strengths. Look at their picture-messaging for example.
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I would not trust you to decide whether such decisions are mistakes or not.
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Ehm, that is not a matter of inventing technology. It is just not safe to do that. That is why you have to take it to a service point.
I have a Nokia "mediabox" or whatever they call it. It is hooked up via a satellite dish and it is supposed to be able to update its own firmware. Now, after a number of update-attemps, it is impossible to start it without it rebooting within 10 seconds. The leds show "self-test" and after the second boot it starts functioning again.
Did you think of what happens if your battery fails half through an update?
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Actually, Microsoft's strengths are their familiar GUI-look-and-feel, compliance with their own technologies and possibility to adapt their own non-standard-proprietary-monopoly products to their non-standard-proprietary-wannabe-monopoly-smartphone software.
That is the great advantage with a proprietary technology-monopoly; you can do whatever you want and people are obligated to buy it.
I also think this and their subsequent phones are heavily subsidised by Microsoft (similarly to xbox). Microsoft does not make their big bucks by selling the smartphone-software itself; but by using it as a platform to leverage content and applications that you have to pay for. You can think of it as a "pay to be robbed"-kind of deal.
Business managers will feel they can not afford their employees not using smartphone, since it would give them access to the "corporate network" at any time. This would all be packaged into a nice deal delivered by the operator. And it will be called a "Business Solution".
It's all bullshit of course, but it doesn't matter. Worried managers without know-how make dangerous decisions. Just look at the success of MS windows/office.
If you treasure your freedom, folks, whatever you - stay away from phones with Microsoft in them.
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Posted by FuricTrax
Well hopefully my search is over! I have to update my contract late November and currently own a Gold T68mi on the O2 network. Having looked at what is coming out and what is out I haven't really been that impressed and was prob gona get a freebie and sell it on. But now I think I may get the SPV it may not have BT but it has a cradle to sync with ur PC, it comes with a camera too. All for the reasonable sum of £179.99! The same price I bought my T68m for!!!
Anyone interested in my phone and MSI BT dongle all for £135. I may not sell yet but am open minded.
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i'll take it...pm me.
Posted by markboyce
The SPV smartphone from Orange will be out in November.
Posted by n|ck_xp
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No the SPV is going to be out in England Monday October 28.
The sane day who the Vodafone Live! servise is going to release!
Posted by [MDS]
are you sure about the release date of the 28th of october>? how can you get it sim free>? anybody knows anything about the release of sendo z100? thanx.
Posted by Ruvjet
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The SPVwill be out here in the UK on November 11th. Vodafone Live starts on Friday (25th).
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I don't quite understand this complaint that Nokia doesn't support any standards. Could some of you explain this a little bit??
Posted by jb
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Well, I referred to their picture messaging thing they had and that fouled bluetooth support in 7650. And pop-port? They get credit for using symbian though.
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Posted by jb
I was never sure P800 was going to be a hit; but I don't think it is going to be much less popular because it is delayed a month or two.
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Again I say the SPV is going to be out next week.
Call your Local orange store to confirm.
Also check firsttimetogether.com to see.
To phone is gonna be locket and is suppose to work only with the Orange Sim card but i am sure the unlock program or code is gonna be out some days after the release!
Welcome to Windows!
Posted by serser
Have you all see this?.....http://www.telme.cc/en/t919/index.html
And the copy will be for sale before the original!!! look into Tel-me online shop...
Opinions!!???
Posted by jnonhoffzieg
serser, welcome to Esato
I've never heard of that thing. Can't say I like the looks, it's kinda brick-like. No
, no Symbian or PPC or Smartphone, no Java - and it's only dual-band meaning it won't work in the US so no go for me... 
Oops it does have Java.
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Posted by serser
Hello!, well i also can´t say it´s very beautifull,and the lack of many things makes it just the little brother of our beloved p800.
Better pics in the link below, (and it seems got Java...)
Thank you for your welcome!
http://www.telme.be/T919_TELme_Eng.html
Posted by wapchimp
Spv does have option to download other games
Posted by jnonhoffzieg
orangeman, will it only work on Orange? Or could I buy one there and use it with my carrier over here in the GSM backlands? It is tri-band...
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Posted by [MDS]
it is going to be locked to the orange network, but than it will be possible to get it unlocked and considering the fact that its windows we are talking, there should not be a problem at all to hack it up, the question is, how do i get it if i am in the states and obviously don't intend to sign a british contract of any sort, so how do i go aobut it? and does anyone know anything about the release date of the sendo z100? i like it way more....
Posted by pinolo77
The official link to the SPV, check it out:
http://www.orange.com/
I would like to say that I like the P800 and I am really angry because it is taking to long to be released.
The SPV is not what I am looking for, because I would like to have a PDA and phone in one. Touch screen and big screen are two imprtant features..
But the SPV is really interesting.
There was someone asking if he or she can use the SPV with Voda. I think that the phone, being exclusive for Orange customers, is very likely to be locked...
Phones are going in an interesting direction and I think that this SPV will sell very much pushing all manufacturer towards new innovation. This makes me happy... And I also think that it might make
revise their strategies for future releases.
Is there someone from Italy on this forum... In a couple of weeks the SMAU IT-show in Milan will take place.
I think it would be interesting to have a review of the things shown there.
Posted by wapchimp
yeh the handset will be locked to orange uk sims only - unlock code will probably be availble later
Posted by MrSavoy
Holy shit that phone looks awesome!!!!!! OMG I think I found one I like better than the p800. I wanna see some previews of thsi phone. When is this due out and how much will it cost? What are the full specs? I am amazed..look at that screen! incredible.
Posted by [MDS]
No luck for us man, i assume you are in the us, like myself. I love the phone too, p800 is nothing compared to this, it has it all triband and 65ktft and everything else, (no bt though) but the problem is the phone comes exclusively on orange network, which is as you know not availible in the us, so since this is the case, it will not be released for a while (europe confirmed release date: nov 11th) so it will be locked to orange and that means no chance of us getting it.. because i don't think that anybody will sing up for a year contract just to get the phone and sell it over the ebay... so no luck, and even if you did find a way to get it, it would still be locked, which will take some time for the hack to get developed. the phone is simply amaizing and i am craving for it, but no spv for us for a while. However, there is another alternative it is called SENDO Z100 (STINGER platform) it does not come locked to orange and it works in us as well, the problem is it has not been released and i got an email today from them saying sometime in the beginning of the 2003, so still long waiting time there as well.
check the other one at : http://www.sendo.com/dev
so i don't even know what to do myself, i want it badly, but it does not seem i am going to get one anytime soon, so i will stick with my t68i and 7210 for now...
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Posted by orange
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I believe you mean Smart Messaging when you're talking about picture messaging. First of all, Nokia developed Smart Messaging before there was any other similar solution for gsm-handsets. Anyone can license Smart Messaging to their phones and some manufacturers have infact licensed it. But there was this one Swedish company who didn't like to license it for their use. So that's when the EMS get started. They just wanted to do a similar solution cause they didn't want to use Nokias solution, duh!! Why on earth?? This is the reason why there are so many interoperability issues with this thing.
Nokia supports bluetooth starndard. I don't think thats against any standardization to drop one profile.
I don't know what you mean with this pop-port thing. Does other manufacturers have standard interface for the connectors? I don't think so. I don't think there even is any standard for these connector interfaces.
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Posted by lmi
SE should: kill P800.
Make a new phone with all P800 features, improve them (eg: 65k color screen), and take no more than 1 month from press release to actual release. Why not call it X1000! LOL
But really! I think this would be for the best! And I believe it would work much better than releasing P800 at this time.
Posted by MrSavoy
this silence from SE as to when this will be released and with no set pricing in place is killing SE. Couple that with all the other competition out there (or so to be) this phone will have a tough time being a hughe hit. Its just too expensive.
Posted by xenious
Hopefully there will be a way to get one from Orange and use it with other sims. I've been getting queried about the SPV from some of the trading managers here at my company and they will prob buy me one just to help them out with the tech. From the specs it looks to be tri-mode, but of course the trick is dealing with orange to "let their people go" and get the phone sim free. I would imagine if you pay enough they will let you (coming from a corporate vantage point). I just wish phones were no longer subsadized and were just sold as normal consumer electronics and not bound to any one provider beyond what frequencies they are using. (of course in the UK that isn't an issue like here in the US) They should market their services based on value adds not on the phones. Makes it frustrating for me to pick global communication standards if they are all provider exclusives.
-xen
Posted by gsmwraith
For those of you who actually want it , AT&T has confirmed they are going to get it here in US early 2003, late 1st quarter early 2nd.
Posted by LiquidSnake
P800! 4096 colors
Thats not much huh guys?!
The SVP is mine babaaay
Posted by LiquidSnake
By the way. The phone was exclusively reviewed by a danish magazine ( www.dk.mobil.nu ) released yesterday and they REALLY loved it. I'm looking very much forward to it and have alredy preordered it from Orange-Denmark...
And shut the fcuk up all of you whos criticizing the phone because its from Microsoft... TRY it and THEN criticize...
Posted by clancy23
You will really never know what the P800 is going to release with until it does so i wouldnt say 4096 not many colours huh?because SE if theyve put any thought into the release of the P800 will have made up for the delay.i mean i really want this phone but if SE havent at least made some improvements then i might get a different phone and so will many others.you better shape up sonyericsson!
Posted by pinolo77
I think
should read this post. Many people here own phones and still are convinced the features of the P800 are great (I am one of them). But...
..no communication and delays are really playing against
SPV is great.
could have released such a phone instead of the t68i, because they actually use that kind of display in their Japanese phones. This SPV is nothing but what the follower of the t68i should be. Not a PDA phone, but a more advanced phone in the same line of the t68i.
I think therefore that the people willing to buy it are the ones that weren't really interested in the P800 as a concept (pda and phone together). The SPV will basically be bought by the people that have been waiting for a successor of the t68i.
Not a clambshell design, camera as an add-on an so on...
Too bad
didn't use some of their know how and do it by themselves. My opinion is that the SPV is actually the best sobsitute for the t68i out on the market now.
I am waiting for someone to create a more advanced P800, particularly in the screen quality, because I think multimedia phones like P800 have to have top quality screens. And, alas, P800 has no longer. You might argue that the actual difference between 4096 and 65k screen is hardly noticeable.. But, for the price of a P800 I want top quality. And, once you start viewing internet sites, videos and so on you might soon realize that there actually is a difference between 4096 and 65k screens.
I don't think I will buy a SPV except if I don't see any P800 style phones coming out soon enough. If there is no PDA phone with a better screen coming out soon I will go for the SPV and wait 3G before buying such a phone.
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Posted by jh67
According to what I know, you should be able to buy the SPV without simlock,..of course it will cost quite a lot more here in DK.
I really like it too,...I know a couple of people who tried it out quite a while ago,..they thought it as being very powerful too
About SE,..I think they are supposed to have a press-conference on tuesday,..wonder whats gonna be on show there
Jan
Bluespoon Hardware Design
Posted by [MDS]
thats it, pinolo you are right... I am one of those people who want the spv a lot, and in truth i never wanted p800, i don't need the pda and neither do i want such a huge form factor, but the spv is everything i want in the phone, it is not huge and its got all of it (xcept bt, but oh well) so this is the way to go for me, just hope i can get an unlocked one soon enough, i actually called some people here in us and they told me that they will be able to get a locked one, quite soon after the 11th, it wil be around 450 us, so this is it, i will buy it even if it is locked and wait for the crack people to figure it out, and then start using it.
i watched a whole webcast (over an hour) the presentation of the spv, and i was simply amazed by what this baby can do.. check it out here : http://www.firsttimetogether.com
so this is the one!
Posted by jb
Sorry I'm a bit slow; I just found this:
Looks good. Too bad it's MS-based.
Posted by n|ck_xp
Dos the SPV support polyphonic ringtones?
Also I does someone know if this is have a speaker?
Posted by wapchimp
SPV has speakerphone - not to sure about polyphonic
Posted by LiquidSnake
But I guess you can use MP3-files as ringtones...
Posted by [MDS]
spv supports all kind of media, u can use any sound files you have as your ringtone, and that's the beauty of the ms enabled handset... ms means flexibility and boundless custumization. i like it...