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Posted by Daisun
Quote:

On 2006-08-22 11:59:24, pdub wrote:

How do you do that?



Menu > Settings > Gerneral Tab > New Events

choose from Activity Menu or Pop-Up.
Pop up is the old styled alert.


Posted by bulti48
I'm not sure if this actually qualifies as a bug but it is certainly something I would like to see on my K800i as it was featured on my k750i and I found it very useful:

When sending a text message on my k750i I would be given the option to cancel sending immediately after I clicked 'send'....this saved me a lot of grief more than once!!

This feature does not appear on the k800i?




Posted by Daisun
Some might say that it was an advancement. Seeing as it allows u to continue using the phone while the message was sending. I think if you hit or hold the back button while in the standby screen and u there is either an internet icon or a sending message icon in the top bar it asks whether or not u wish to terminte the connection... I think i saw this in my k700 and s700... but i cant be sure.

Unfortunetly i cant really try it with my k800i because its 3g and when i click send on a sms it sends instantly. Actually this might be another reason they removed the cancel option, maybe the message on 3g sends so fast the user cant cancel it anyway.

Posted by mwarner
> This feature does not appear on the k800i?

That is true, but if you did have this option then you would not have the background sending feature of the K800 which, in my opinion, is more useful.

Posted by bulti48
I agree, the background sending feature is useful and no doubt explains the loss of the cancel button - just gonna have to be a bit more careful what I write.....especially after a few beers!

Posted by o166
How do i know i my k800 is unbranded?

Posted by jedi-knight83
how do i check which software my k800 has?

am i right in thinking there have been no updates to the O2 phones yet?

thanks in advance

Posted by mwarner
@jedi-knight83
> how do i check which software my k800 has?

Look at the first post at the stuff just after the firmware overviews.

@o166
> How do i know i my k800 is unbranded?

The sure fire way is to look at the CDA of the phone. See the first post for info on getting the CDA and also a list of UK CDAs.


Posted by o166
any other ways to check? since i am not in UK

Posted by aremaboy
Hm...just being curious...
After 22 days of using K800i I notice some 'new" things:
1. The intermittent White Screen that flashes during navigation is really really decreasing...It used to be 10 times in an hour...now it seems to be only once in an hour...weird, isn't? I don't know what I have done on it.

2. When I set the shortcut on navigation up joystick, it used to be back to default. But it doesn't now. It remains as my shortcut I decided even though I reboot, take out the battery or else...weird...I was 100 % sure that it was back to default (the Video Player) several days ago...what have I done?

3. No more crashes when navigating Contact List...hm...

Is it because I have taken out the battery for an hour long and put it back? Have done it as a routine after I fully recharge my battery..and in a routine turn off the phone/ reboot the phone.
Don't worry mine is still R1CB001 CHINA APAC....



Posted by obentou
If you dont want the shortcut bug, you have to remove the predefined shortcut first, then set your own.

I just found something out. Take your battery out... and you see the S/N and week your battery was made? Try running your fingernail hard against the text and see if it rubs off.

Because when I just opened up the back of my K790i (haven't done that in a while) the S/N is 1/3 gone because of a smudge.

Posted by jcwhite_uk
One thing that i have noticed on my K800i is that it wont match the name to a number for one contact. I dont know why and have triple checked the number and it is fine. There seems to be no reason. I cahnged the number in my phone book to have +44 in front of it, as that is how it comes through from the network, and it did put the name onto a text that I had already received from that person but as soon as I received another text from them it changed all the texts back to just showing the phone number.

Posted by aremaboy
Yes, my battery rubs off now..the letters written there are gone because of the friction as I open the back cover very often. No problem. It's just ugly..and not new anymore. Any news from SEUS? I can't wait..

Posted by mwarner
@aremaboy

You seem to be having rather a lot of problems - moreso than most with the same firmware as you. Sorry if this sounds obvious, but have you tried a master reset?

Incidentally, I am rather intrigued by your name. Is Arema is short for Arek Malang (Teenagers from Malang) or is it a reference to your local football team (Arema Malang) ... or something else ?

Ooh ... I think I have got it! AREMA SINGO EDAN stands for AREMA THE MAD LION, which is something to do with your football club

Mike


[ This Message was edited by: mwarner on 2006-08-23 09:22 ]

Posted by aremaboy
Yes, AREMABOY stands for Arek Malang meaning a teenager from Malang. Our town owns the best Indonesian soccer team also called Arema..my god, how do you know it? Are you a fan of Arema too, Mike? I'm proud to be an Aremania..a fan of Arema..

Posted by mwarner
> my god, how do you know it?

I just wondered where abouts you came from, as Indonesia is not somewhere I have been and I didn't recognise 'Jawa Timur' (I thought it might mean somewhere in Timor, but it just means East Java). I looked it up on MS MapPoint (to find where it was) and then decided to look it up in Wikipedia. As I was on a roll I thought I would try to work out why you call yourself Aremaboy

Sounds like a nice place you live in!

Mike

Posted by aremaboy
Malang is really a cool place to visit..just spend several weeks here during holidays. It's a small town anyway..Yes, Jawa Timur means East Java, it's about 800 km far from Jakarta, the capital city. But, it's just several hours flying to Bali island. Arema, right?
Anyway, my K800i isn't that buggy anymore. It's been a day now and NO white crashes at all! Not even once. What have I done?

Posted by pootle
Quote:
On 2006-08-21 17:52:07, pdub wrote:
Quote:

On 2006-08-21 15:52:38, pootle wrote:
Homescreen does not respond correctly, K800i, Orange UK.

When SMS message arrives homescreen shows "New Events (1)" selected. Pressing the joystick in does NOT open the message as it should. Moving the selection down one (to "Running Apps") then BACK to "New Events (1)" and pressing the joystick in DOES open the message.

It does work if you leave it a few seconds. But how annoying tho.


Not on my phone. This is a definite bug.



Posted by Coxy
I cant believe theres still no update for this phone yet! Its not really really bad but it could do with one soon i think.

Posted by freeloader
Quote:

On 2006-08-23 20:14:52, Coxy wrote:
I cant believe theres still no update for this phone yet! Its not really really bad but it could do with one soon i think.



I had the first update through Wotanserver,R1CF001,nothing has changed noticable.My first issue and only one currently is the low sounds(for ringtones etc.) from the loudspeaker and earpiece also,they really need a tweak up(I've made equalizer settings too-all full-but still not what it should sound like).
I think this update(if it comes unchanged to SEUS)doesnt really change anything,maybe just the whitescreen thing or so.I'm getting really anxious about improvements to come soon otherwise I'm gonna sell it.

Posted by aremaboy
Mine is R1CB001 CHINA APAC and I still can't figure out what I have done so far so that I NEVER experience intermittant white screen at all for the past two days..Not even a single crash..I'm just lucky then..Do you think the F/W stability reaches its max point after days of usage? Hm, weird. My K800i even works so smooth in typing, displaying pictures, and more..Thanks God..

Posted by chrisnewman
I think some people are going a bit overboard saying this phone has loads of bugs and when are they going to get fixed. People are being far too anal, at the end of the day for everyday use this phone is great and I haven't had any problems with the day to day stuff I use it for. I.e Calling, texting, taking the odd pic and listening to music.

Chill out and just enjoy using the phone, if not return it and get a different phone

[ This Message was edited by: chrisnewman on 2006-08-23 22:24 ]

Posted by TeenInvader
Holy Christ, Yet another buggy production from SE.

Well as a software developer I know that a software will have a bug one way or the other.

But some bugs in these fone are just not acceptable. I mean even functionality that is working correctly on other models fails on new models.

Things like shortcuts and menu key pad number mapping have been working fine on SE fones so having bugs on things like those is just out of question.

Posted by sapporobaby
Quote:

On 2006-08-23 23:23:53, chrisnewman wrote:
I think some people are going a bit overboard saying this phone has loads of bugs and when are they going to get fixed. People are being far too anal, at the end of the day for everyday use this phone is great and I haven't had any problems with the day to day stuff I use it for. I.e Calling, texting, taking the odd pic and listening to music.

Chill out and just enjoy using the phone, if not return it and get a different phone

[ This Message was edited by: chrisnewman on 2006-08-23 22:24 ]





The best post of this entire thread. Simply the best, and on the mark. My goodness it is a friggin phone. If you are not happy then take it back but the day to day whining by a certain few is just downright childish. SE will release an update that fix most bugs and probably introduce one or two. Get over it and try putting the phone down for a while and get some fresh air. Maybe talk to a girl or two. For sure explore life without the phone.

Posted by Coxy
I think the media player volume needs improving (loudening) track id needs to be sent to the HBH-ds970 (as in the M600) and overall speed needs improving along with the unsensored button presses sometimes.

Posted by jasond
Quote:

On 2006-08-22 14:31:09, bulti48 wrote:
I agree, the background sending feature is useful and no doubt explains the loss of the cancel button - just gonna have to be a bit more careful what I write.....especially after a few beers!



If you're limber, the message can be cancelled by going into the Outbox.

I'd also like to draw your attention to this reported bug:
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=128867
Where the camera file number resets itself whenever the camera folder is emptied in it's entirety to the computer.
Can't speak on behalf of this one myself, (haven't tested for it), but thought you folks may be interested in it. A hugely annoying bug, if true.

Some more that I've uncovered, (to be checked by you guys, of course! Don't take my word for it!)

Sorting of browsing photos bug

(When phone is horizontal), Pressing the top 'Photo button' bring up a list of recent photos, sorted by Most recent to least recent.

Pressing the bottom photo button and then zooming out incorrectly sorts the images backwards.

Photo DJ file access bug
Can someone please verify whether it is impossible to load an image from the phone memory? Pointless if the camera is set to save photos to the phone and not card.

Media Playerrrrr!
For the love of God - make the player EXCLUDE RINGTONES!
If the phone has an undeletable system folder named "Ringtones", set the Media player to exclude this from it's indexing process, always.

For someone who constantly updates the music on their phone, making a new playlist (and selecting artists individually in doing so) in order to avoid ringtones playing is more than unfeasible - it's annoying.
Sure, I've cut down my ringtones and message tones to a minimal amount - but they still shuffle through.

This 'wish list' feature is just common sense.

And while you're at it - please improve the audio drivers. The music sounds highly compressed. Yes - it is noticible with good headphones (or car stereo).

Rant rant rant. Sorry sorry sorry. All true, mind you.


Posted by silie
hi.. i bought my k800i allure brown in hk and it comes with the R1CF001. So i think this firmware is not a generic firmware of wotanserver but of sony ericsson itself.

Posted by vanity
Quote:

On 2006-08-24 00:24:25, sapporobaby wrote:
Quote:

On 2006-08-23 23:23:53, chrisnewman wrote:
I think some people are going a bit overboard saying this phone has loads of bugs and when are they going to get fixed. People are being far too anal, at the end of the day for everyday use this phone is great and I haven't had any problems with the day to day stuff I use it for. I.e Calling, texting, taking the odd pic and listening to music.

Chill out and just enjoy using the phone, if not return it and get a different phone

[ This Message was edited by: chrisnewman on 2006-08-23 22:24 ]





The best post of this entire thread. Simply the best, and on the mark. My goodness it is a friggin phone. If you are not happy then take it back but the day to day whining by a certain few is just downright childish. SE will release an update that fix most bugs and probably introduce one or two. Get over it and try putting the phone down for a while and get some fresh air. Maybe talk to a girl or two. For sure explore life without the phone.




x2 on sapporobaby... Well K800i is one of the best! despite of its bugs..
but still some are annoying... but at the end you will be surely happy with it..

xiao.. cheers!
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y L d 7 B P d Con

Posted by aremaboy
Hm, R1CF001 is again pre-installed in new K800i deliveries..no comment why it isn't on SEUS yet...

Posted by sapporobaby
Can we all agree that the audio on the k800i is not the best in its current form? Does this need to be repeated over and over and over? And for the current software version, is a running report needed daily? How about MWarmer posting when the new version is released or someone else doing so? How about posting something not already covered rather than posting the same complaints over and over and over.

Recap.
1.Stop complaining and whining. Everyone knows the phone has a few irritating bugs. Name one perfect phone without quirks.
2. SE knows about them, probably reads ESATO and will fix as many as possible without adding cost or compromising the current phone.
3. The phone has only been on the market a few weeks and upgrading the software and testing takes time. The very same people here that live in complaint-land would be back again if SE released and upgrade that was also buggy.

Posted by jopher
just would like to ask..when i seach phonebooks, files (music/videos, etc) it seems that it only accept the first letter not by word..for example when you want to search at the phone book with a name start with letter A the d..it seems that it change in every letter you type..as in when u press a it goes to all starting letter A, when you press D it goes to all letter d..i want that when i press a then d i goes to all names starting letter "ad"..hope for an idea..

Posted by mwarner
> Sorting of browsing photos bug
I agree. Not exactly an awful bug, but it is an unexpected 'feature'.

> Photo DJ file access bug
I can load from both phone and card memory.

> How about MWarmer posting when the new version is released
I always do.

I tend to agree with others in that the problems caused by the bugs in the phone are being highly exagerated by a number of people of late. None of the bugs are particularly serious - they are all just slightly annoying.

Mike

Posted by aremaboy
That's right...exaggeration...now, let's enjoy using this phone, OK??
Forget the bugs..just enjoy it...

Posted by kalleboo
Quote:

On 2006-08-24 03:02:57, jasond wrote:
Media Playerrrrr!
For the love of God - make the player EXCLUDE RINGTONES!


Hmm, my media player isn't showing my ringtones. I have them in phone memory in the "Ringtones" folder.

Posted by sapporobaby
Quote:

On 2006-08-24 12:26:01, aremaboy wrote:
That's right...exaggeration...now, let's enjoy using this phone, OK??
Forget the bugs..just enjoy it...




Funny how this suddenly came to you...... This timing is interesting, don't you think?

Posted by jp45678
Hi, i have had my k800 roughly a month now, ordered it the day o2 got it in their warehouse. So now people on vodafone and other networks are getting the same phone.
I noticed that on a vodafone phone, there are green and red hang up and answer buttons instead of my web browser and quick menu buttons. I was wondering if anyone knew how i could change this, i am assuming it is a firmware mod and if there is one available it would be brilliant. I'm sure we all know how frustrating it is to accidentally hit the web browser and it starts connecting to the internet.

Any info would be appreciated...even a definate "no it can't be done" would stop me thinking about it

Posted by Daisun
We'll i guess u could flash your fone with the vodafone firmware... not sure where u'd get ur hands on that, but generally people want to debrand their phones rather than brand them...

Wotanservers has t-mobile firmwares, but i'm not sure they have the green and red call/end call buttons.

Posted by bulti48
Quote:

On 2006-08-22 17:44:07, jcwhite_uk wrote:
One thing that i have noticed on my K800i is that it wont match the name to a number for one contact. I dont know why and have triple checked the number and it is fine. There seems to be no reason. I cahnged the number in my phone book to have +44 in front of it, as that is how it comes through from the network, and it did put the name onto a text that I had already received from that person but as soon as I received another text from them it changed all the texts back to just showing the phone number.




I solved this problem for my girlfriends k800 by selecting 'Auto save on SIM'.

>Contacts > More > Options > Advanced > Auto save on SIM > ON

Maybe it will work for you?

Posted by altemyr
One bug that I cannot find listed here for R1CB001 is about the notes application. It cannot handle more than 6 notes correctly. If a 7:th note is inserted, it's not shown in the list of notes. Instead, the 6:th note is displayed twice. If I delete one of those entries, both disappears, and the previously missing 7:th note magically reappears again.

Posted by obentou
The media player only reads all files from the memory stick. If you place your ringtones inside the phone memory, the media player will ignore the ringtones.

As for firmware issues - it's about time that the phone is due for an update. It's been more than a month. Dedicated people working out the bugs on this phone every day should be more than enough for an organization like SE to roll out an update.

Posted by sapporobaby
Quote:

On 2006-08-24 17:03:14, obentou wrote:
As for firmware issues - it's about time that the phone is due for an update. It's been more than a month. Dedicated people working out the bugs on this phone every day should be more than enough for an organization like SE to roll out an update.



How do you know there is a dedicated group that does nothing but sit there and wait for people to complain about bugs and then fix them? Do you really think for a minute that SE wants to release a buggy product? Do you really think SE wants to hear the constant gripping and complaining, and whining of several members (insert name here) of this thread who repeat the same thing over and over and over. We all know the phone has bugs so either get over it and wait, or take the phone back. To continue to complain, and complain, and whine is beyond the point of annoying. If you have a real gripe about a bug, post it, but for the sake of all here, quit with the non-stop complaining.

Posted by DIAMOND
sapporobaby are you working at sonyericsson? why you keep on defending them, since they release a phone that have many bugs, we are the victims, they should have release a new firmware to correct those bugs quickly.

[ This Message was edited by: DIAMOND on 2006-08-24 17:11 ]

Posted by gareb
I dont care that much 'bout the bugs on the K800i. First of all it's to my ears and eyes minor bugs compered to T610 first release for example. But still I wanna have them fixed in an update.
So points to both of you.

_________________


[ This Message was edited by: gareb on 2006-08-24 17:25 ]

Posted by obentou
Sony Ericsson can care less about the complaining. It's the bug list that helps them out. Do we even know they read this page? Who knows, unless someone from SE can verify this. The ranting we hear here from board users including myself helps to keep the pressure on SE to deliver. Right now, they aren't.

I'm leaning more towards dissapointment than bitching about a half-assed phone. You can't just shove out a product that is bugged in some ways to the public and release updates periodically to fix it. It's an unprofessional way to run a business. Perhaps my level of tolerance for the bugs is lower than that of other users here.

So far approximately a month has elapsed after this phone was released. So far little to no bugs have been fixed. Perhaps the next update may fix all and end all... but looking at the K750i's F/W history, I doubt it will happen.

And most importantly, this phone is going to be phased out in a year for enthusiasts. A month has gone by.

Posted by chrisnewman
@ DIAMOND - Are you serious? It hasn't got that many bugs and the ones it has are minor ones.
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Here's a simple checklist for all the whiners out there

Can you do the following on your K800\\K790?
1) Make a call to someone else
2) Send a text to someone else
3) Take a picture
4) Play music

If you can answer yes to all the above then get over yourself, the phone is working as designed. If you answer no to any of them then you are not using a K800\\K790 or you're mentally inadequate.
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@ obentou - Try answering the questions above and if you don't like it get an N80 and enjoy frequent crashes and a slow GUI. Then drive all the way to your Nokia rep to try and get the firmware upgraded (You can't do this yourself) when they fix the issues in 6 months time. Alternatively wait in the comfort of your home patiently waiting for SE to release an update which you can conveniently download and install in your own home. Good eh?
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QUIT WHINGING AND WHINING. Get a life and use your phone and don't let minor issues affect your whole life. There is a big wide world out there apart from your phone

END.

Posted by sapporobaby
Quote:

On 2006-08-24 18:10:42, DIAMOND wrote:
sapporobaby are you working at sonyericsson? why you keep on defending them, since they release a phone that have many bugs, we are the victims, they should have release a new firmware to correct those bugs quickly.

[ This Message was edited by: DIAMOND on 2006-08-24 17:11 ]



No I don't work for SE nor Nokia nor any phone manufacture but I do know that the constant complaining about something will not get it fixed any sooner. How about you writing micro-code and let's see you produce a flawless product. It is easy to complain about something when you are not under the gun. Yes, the k800i has bugs. I think we established this in the first or second post, but the constant crying and complaining is now beyond annoying. I want my phone flashed but SE has not released an update so I have two choices: to wait for it or to bi$%ch and moan about it not being there. Regardless of either course of action I still have to wait on SE. There are plenty others here in the same boat but you do not see them complaining as they know there is nothing they can do other than send SE a note or write their bug reports here. Second my comments are directed at a select few that seem to whine and moan the most. Go back and read the thread and you will see their names.

Posted by sapporobaby
Quote:

On 2006-08-24 21:30:09, chrisnewman wrote:
@ DIAMOND - Are you serious? It hasn't got that many bugs and the ones it has are minor ones.
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Here's a simple checklist for all the whiners out there

Can you do the following on your K800\\K790?
1) Make a call to someone else
2) Send a text to someone else
3) Take a picture
4) Play music

If you can answer yes to all the above then get over yourself, the phone is working as designed. If you answer no to any of them then you are not using a K800\\K790 or you're mentally inadequate.
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@ obentou - Try answering the questions above and if you don't like it get an N80 and enjoy frequent crashes and a slow GUI. Then drive all the way to your Nokia rep to try and get the firmware upgraded (You can't do this yourself) when they fix the issues in 6 months time. Alternatively wait in the comfort of your home patiently waiting for SE to release an update which you can conveniently download and install in your own home. Good eh?
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QUIT WHINGING AND WHINING. Get a life and use your phone and don't let minor issues affect your whole life. There is a big wide world out there apart from your phone

END.



Game, set, match: chrisnewman!

Anyway, enough flames. I think the point has been made. SE, just like Nokia, Samsung, etc.... released a phone with guess what: BUGS!! They all do it. All of them and up to a few or so ago only SE allowed you to download the upgrades to their phones. Second, the same people that are complaining about bugs will be the first in line to complain that SE released a crappy upgrade. Why didn't SE test it more. SE screwed us will be their rallying cry. Sad to see supposedly grown ups acting this way about a phone. Some people need to get out more. Talk to a woman or a man, try to go on a date, try life without the phone for an hour or two.

Posted by drich290195
Maydont use my phone to its full potential , iuse wap text and call, no radio not even unpacked the headset and i have not noticed any bugs. The reason they dont get released straight away is because they generally dont affect the avearge user.

Posted by Psycho Dave
Quote:

On 2006-08-24 15:45:06, altemyr wrote:
One bug that I cannot find listed here for R1CB001 is about the notes application. It cannot handle more than 6 notes correctly. If a 7:th note is inserted, it's not shown in the list of notes. Instead, the 6:th note is displayed twice. If I delete one of those entries, both disappears, and the previously missing 7:th note magically reappears again.


This is not present in R1CF001

Posted by blunden
Quote:

On 2006-08-24 22:35:20, drich290195 wrote:
Maydont use my phone to its full potential , iuse wap text and call, no radio not even unpacked the headset and i have not noticed any bugs. The reason they dont get released straight away is because they generally dont affect the avearge user.

True for me too, and I use a lot of the features in the phone. Guess what, very few bugs.

And to the people who complain about the phone companies release phones with a few bugs in them: If they wanted it to be bug-free, the K750 would probably be released about now and we would be way behind. Also, me and a lot of other people want something new as fast as possible and don't care about a few trivial bugs. Besides, some bugs are very hard to find without releasing it first since it may affect only a small number of people.


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