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Posted by SE Rules
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On 2006-08-10 14:38:48, deathchurch wrote:
I am not using bluetooth, nor do I have it switched on (phone or PC). I am using the USB Cable that comes with the phone directly attached to my desktop at work and have also tried it on two different laptops. All of these computers charge my k750i without any problems, but not the k800i.



Well this isn't the first time this has been seen. The K750 was the same, it would charge up to around 90% on the USB, but no more, quite a mystery really, no extra power is required to charge it that 10%more... think it might just be one of those things, unfortunatly, I haven't had the opertunity to try it out myself.

Cheers


Posted by deathchurch
Charging upto 80% would be fine, my problem is that is just doesn't charge at all, Yesterday I had 10% battery left thought I would give the USB Charging another go, came back about 40mins later and the phone was dead, the battery was totally drained.

Posted by SE Rules
No, thats quite strange, it should charge, and the USB charging option is switched on?

Then, maybe its a stupid question, but do you have USB2.0, if you're using 1.1 then it won't charge.

Other than that, I should take it back, because it would seem quite clearly faulty.

Cheers

Posted by sapporobaby
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On 2006-08-10 14:50:05, Vercetti wrote:
have you installed all drivers?

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Phone history: T20e, T100, T630, K600i and now K800i

[ This Message was edited by: Vercetti on 2006-08-10 13:50 ]



Drivers have NOTHING to do with the charging.

Posted by SE Rules
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On 2006-08-10 15:16:08, sapporobaby wrote:
Quote:

On 2006-08-10 14:50:05, Vercetti wrote:
have you installed all drivers?

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Phone history: T20e, T100, T630, K600i and now K800i

[ This Message was edited by: Vercetti on 2006-08-10 13:50 ]



Drivers have NOTHING to do with the charging.




Actually they do...
The USB drivers that is, for example, USB1.1 will not provide power to any connected device, whereas USB2.0 does.

Cheers

Posted by deathchurch
Yeah the service setting is set to USB Charging On, I am using USB2.0, tried it on a few machines just in case is was computer related, but it wont charge. This is the 2nd k800i I have had and both of them will not charge.

Does anyone else regularly use the USB cable to charge their k800?

Posted by Vercetti
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On 2006-08-10 15:18:26, deathchurch wrote:
Yeah the service setting is set to USB Charging On, I am using USB2.0, tried it on a few machines just in case is was computer related, but it wont charge. This is the 2nd k800i I have had and both of them will not charge.

Does anyone else regularly use the USB cable to charge their k800?



yes I do, it works fine for me so dunno what the problem is.

Posted by deathchurch
The same computer with the USB Cable that came with the k800i will charge a k750 and W800, so it can't be computer related. Its not something that Vodafone could switch off in their customisation?

Posted by kalleboo
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On 2006-08-10 15:01:21, SE Rules wrote:
Then, maybe its a stupid question, but do you have USB2.0, if you're using 1.1 then it won't charge.


That's patently untrue, I'm charging mine just fine on USB1.1.

Posted by sapporobaby
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On 2006-08-10 15:17:53, SE Rules wrote:
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On 2006-08-10 15:16:08, sapporobaby wrote:
Quote:

On 2006-08-10 14:50:05, Vercetti wrote:
have you installed all drivers?

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Phone history: T20e, T100, T630, K600i and now K800i

[ This Message was edited by: Vercetti on 2006-08-10 13:50 ]



Drivers have NOTHING to do with the charging.




Actually they do...
The USB drivers that is, for example, USB1.1 will not provide power to any connected device, whereas USB2.0 does.

Cheers




Prove this. The drivers are for communications pirposes only. Not to tell the USB to provide power. Also, please provide proof that USB 1.1 provides power. As I have stated, I could be wrong but I have never heard of USB 1.1 providing power. USB 2.0 does.

Posted by SE Rules
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Prove this. The drivers are for communications pirposes only. Not to tell the USB to provide power. Also, please provide proof that USB 1.1 provides power. As I have stated, I could be wrong but I have never heard of USB 1.1 providing power. USB 2.0 does.




Hmmm, isnt that what I said??? You know USB1.1 not providing power and USB2.0 does? Getting a little confused are we?

Posted by deathchurch
USB 1.1 will charge, we have an old HP N600c laptop that is USB1.1 and that will charge my k750i and my iPod, that is a side issue to whether or not I can get my k800i to USB charge though.

Posted by sapporobaby
@SE

Read and learn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Serial_Bus

My post of Posted: 2006-08-10 15:29, illustrrates that I made this statement before you jumped into the mix without reading nor having an idea of what was going on.

Second, as I have stated, USB 1.1 provides bus power but does not genrally have power to provide charging to devices. However this is not always true depending on the adaption of the specification. Example: Apple computers provide the exact amount of power specified by the USB standards. Some other computer manufactures, i.e. Dell provide quite a bit of power to their USB ports, and to drive external devices such as HD's etc...



Posted by boman1882
sorry if you've already answered this question but, can you use the USB at the moment to transfer to and from your memory card and phone memory? because if you can't do that yet then the USB won't charge ur phone.
All drivers must be installed before any charging occurs.

This is true because at work I plugged my phoine in but was not allowed to install the drivers. my phone did not charge....



Posted by SE Rules
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On 2006-08-10 15:51:21, sapporobaby wrote:
@SE

Read and learn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Serial_Bus

My post of Posted: 2006-08-10 15:29, illustrrates that I made this statement before you jumped into the mix without reading nor having an idea of what was going on.




Well nice to see you actually contributing something useful to this discussion eh? Carry on



Posted by deathchurch
to boman1882

Yeah I can access the internal memory and the M2 Card I have in my phone as D and E when I plug the phone into the computer using the USB cable, I do have the drivers installed correctly I think, I might try downloading them again from SE and giving it another go, thanks.

Posted by deathchurch
I have uninstalled the PC Suite from the PC restarted and then just installed the Install Me First Drivers from the latest PC Suite download and now the phone charges when I plug it in, so it must have been a driver install issue, thanks for the help.

Posted by Vercetti
Told you so..

Posted by sapporobaby
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On 2006-08-10 15:53:27, boman1882 wrote:
sorry if you've already answered this question but, can you use the USB at the moment to transfer to and from your memory card and phone memory? because if you can't do that yet then the USB won't charge ur phone.
All drivers must be installed before any charging occurs.

This is true because at work I plugged my phoine in but was not allowed to install the drivers. my phone did not charge....





NEGATIVE. I have a Mac and there are no drivers to install and I can charge my k800i. Sooooooooooooooo your driver theory is incorrect.

Posted by sapporobaby
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On 2006-08-10 15:54:20, SE Rules wrote:
Quote:

On 2006-08-10 15:51:21, sapporobaby wrote:
@SE

Read and learn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Serial_Bus

My post of Posted: 2006-08-10 15:29, illustrrates that I made this statement before you jumped into the mix without reading nor having an idea of what was going on.




Well nice to see you actually contributing something useful to this discussion eh? Carry on





Check and mate. You have nothing to say and are proven wrong so you insult. To bad this thread does not have an ignore. Soooo, you can p-off. If you want to continue the insults please do it in PM so as not to destroy the thread further.

Posted by Danny CT
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On 2006-08-10 16:09:31, deathchurch wrote:
I have uninstalled the PC Suite from the PC restarted and then just installed the Install Me First Drivers from the latest PC Suite download and now the phone charges when I plug it in, so it must have been a driver install issue, thanks for the help.



Answer that sapporobaby

[ This Message was edited by: Danny CT on 2006-08-10 16:48 ]

Posted by sapporobaby
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On 2006-08-10 17:47:22, Danny CT wrote:
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On 2006-08-10 16:09:31, deathchurch wrote:
I have uninstalled the PC Suite from the PC restarted and then just installed the Install Me First Drivers from the latest PC Suite download and now the phone charges when I plug it in, so it must have been a driver install issue, thanks for the help.



Answer that sapporobaby

[ This Message was edited by: Danny CT on 2006-08-10 16:48 ]



I assume that you are using a Windows based PC, while I am on a Mac. Two different types of OS's and hardware. You need drivers and I don't so what does that tell you? My phone charges without drivers on my Mac, while you need drivers, but my wife's PC does not have any drivers installed and it still charged. Soooo once again this is not a driver issue. It appears to be a hardware issue more than anything else.

Did that answer it for you?

Posted by sapporobaby
No one to answer? Why is it that my k800i charges on a Mac with no drivers? Do I have a magical phone? Is my Mac magical? Or could it be that drivers do not tell the computer to charge but tell the USB port how to communicate with the phone? Wait, wait, this must be the answer. Well at least to the SonyEricsson Tech rep here in sunny Kuwait.

Where is your answer Danny CT? Explain that.

By the way, the guy that is having the charging problem, SE here said that you might have a defective phone. He said to do a master reset (back up data first) and then see if this will do it. If not, then you might have a problem with the charging unit within the phone. Should be under warranty to have repaired.

Posted by O2 K800i
My K750 charges OK from the USB port on my laptop. My K800 does not using the same port, cable, driver etc.

[ This Message was edited by: O2 K800i on 2006-08-10 17:43 ]

Posted by sapporobaby
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On 2006-08-10 18:33:12, O2 K800i wrote:
My K750 charges OK from the USB port on my laptop. My K800 does not using the same port, cable, driver etc.

[ This Message was edited by: O2 K800i on 2006-08-10 17:43 ]



What kind of computer are you using? This seems to be a hardware issue more than a software issue. Does your computer recognize both drives, i.e. the phone and the M2 (if you have one)?

Posted by Toney_Ericsson
When do you think there will be a new firmware version for O2 which seems to use the first release firmware?


Posted by O2 K800i
@Sapperobaby

HP Compaq laptop - but my P4-D PC at home does the same.

Drive's appear separately (F:\\ and G:\\) with no probs.

Posted by dibberly
my k800 has stopped making and receiving phone calls but is ok on txt messages??


is there any way to put the original vodafone fw back on so i can get it sorted??

Posted by Aldrew
@dibberly: Have you tried taking the battery and sim card out then putting it all back together again? I only say this as today my phone wouldn't recieve calls, but was OK with everything else. So I took the sim card out to try it in another phone(which worked fine) then when I put it back in everything worked. Think it might be some sort of bug or just my network(02), messing around. Who knows.

But try going to where you debranded the phone, they should be able to put voda branded firmware back on.

Posted by dibberly
@ Aldrew

i have tried all that and also done a master reset on it - still no go

i done the debrand on wotanserver.com

even tried a reflash incase the flash went wrong but its still the same

Posted by sapporobaby
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On 2006-08-10 19:26:25, O2 K800i wrote:
@Sapperobaby

HP Compaq laptop - but my P4-D PC at home does the same.

Drive's appear separately (F:\\ and G:\\) with no probs.



Very strange indeed. I have a Mac without the need for drivers so the "DRIVER" theory is not feasible. I also have a PC at home that will charge my iPod, k800i, XBOX wireless controller, all without the need for drivers. I think it is a hardware issue. The best would be to contact SE where you live and ask them. Down here in Kuwait, the tech guys say that the drivers are only for communications purposes.

Posted by O2 K800i
@saporobaby

Exactly - the USB is 4 wire - 2 serial data and 2 power. The power is controlled by the PSU and it is the voltage levels supplied by the PSU that are critical. I think the difference between the K750 and K800 is the internal charging circuit. The battery is different but is the same potential. The PC drivers only control the interface to the PC and are nothing to do with the supply of power to the USB (E.g. the light on a mouse is from USB 5V).

There is something about the K800 charging circuit and the differences noted in this forum maybe down to the PC it is connected to and the voltage level and current available to the USB port. I believe this is nothing to do with data rates hence the discussion re: USB2 etc is flawed.

Posted by sapporobaby
@O2 K800i,

I have been saying this pretty much the entire thread. Funny how they detractors are now gone.

Anyway, I hate USB. Firewire is much more stable and contrary to popular belief, faster than USB 2.0. Also Firewire comes in two flavors as well, 400/mbs and the screaming 800/mbs, and all FW ports are powered properly.

Apple follows the USB standard as closely as possible which is maybe why my phone charges when connected to my Mac.

One thing you might want to do is to: delete the USB host from your computer. Start --> Control Panel --> System and look for devices. Delete the USB references. Reboot and let your computer find the USB host again and this might fix any communications problems you are having.

Posted by zkool448
Not sure if you've tried this yet but got o your service menu (as in >*<<*<*) and make sure that USB charging is not disabled under "servicesettings -> charging=on/off".

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Posted by SE Rules
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On 2006-08-10 22:22:42, sapporobaby wrote:
@O2 K800i,

I have been saying this pretty much the entire thread. Funny how they detractors are now gone.




Well you know some of us actually have lives to live, rather than on some forum, bragging about their Mac being magical and so on....

I would love to congratulate you on your fine help you have provided....I believe it was, wait a minute.....um....oh yes....call , now I wonder why nobody else thought of that.

Weel congrats on your fine piece of work, ripping everybody else's ideas apart with a nice bit of arrogance, nice one!

Have fun, I'm sure loads more people will come to you oh holy master of the USB!!!

Cheers

Posted by sapporobaby
@SE Whatever,

What have you contributed to this thread? One word: Nothing. You come here contribute nothing as usual, show how completely inept you are and then want to insult someone. If ANYTHING I have said is wrong, I challenge to prove it here in this public forum. Show where I am incorrect. Opppssss. You can't because you do not seem to know much about anything. As I offered before, if you want to continue the insults PM me and I will school you in this as well.

Posted by O2 K800i
@SE Rules - This forum is supposed to be discussing the SE firmware problems not abusing other users.

@Sapporobaby - My K800 comms is good with PC - just the charging issue. I dont yet understand why the phone can power the USB since the battery is 3.7V and the USB is 5V. I'll do some tests today in the lab.

Posted by sapporobaby
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On 2006-08-11 07:55:59, O2 K800i wrote:
@SE Rules - This forum is supposed to be discussing the SE firmware problems not abusing other users.

@Sapporobaby - My K800 comms is good with PC - just the charging issue. I dont yet understand why the phone can power the USB since the battery is 3.7V and the USB is 5V. I'll do some tests today in the lab.



This does seem rather strange. Are you using USB 2.0 or the older technologies, i.e. 1.0, 1.1? When you say "the phone can power the USB" what do you mean. In the enclosed USB link I posted, it gives the specs for USB and this might shed some light. What is more interesting about your problem is that my Mac, can power the phone, but can not power an external hard drive. It would indicate that there must be a considerable draw on the USB from the external hd as opposed to the phone. Also, my PC at home can power my phone (WITHOUT DRIVERS), my wireless XBOX controller (ALSO WITHOUT DRIVERS), and several other external devices. One other interesting note is that my USB can also provide power to my Garmin GPS device through the Mini-USB port. From everything you say, it would appear that there is a problem with the k800i charging system.

Posted by O2 K800i
USB power arrives as 5.01V from my PC and laptop to pins 4 and 12 of the connector.

The mains charger supplies 5.46V to pins 1 and 4 (where pin 4 is ground common).

Comparing the USB and mains power there is a potential difference of 0.45V to the phone. This is not something SE can fix in firmware. To fix this will require new mains chargers and new firmware across all phones. This is unlikely as it will reduce the storage capacity of the phones battery and hence reduce the standby and battery life.

USB charging to me is fine as 85% charge lasts a few days until I am back to my car charger or at home with the docking station.

Posted by deathchurch
Found another problem. I always have my phone on silent with the vibrate function on, has anyone else noticed that when you miss a call with silent + vibrate on, the vibrate function will keep vibrating for ages, (over half an hour last night) when you miss a call?

Posted by boman1882
sorry church, I 've not had that problem, it might just be your phone.....
sorry to sound smug but i have yet to find a problem with my phone, in any aspec,(part from green line in recording video, but that doesn't really bother me)

Posted by deathchurch
Might try a master reset and see if that helps any.

Posted by deathchurch
Quote:

On 2006-08-11 11:01:37, boman1882 wrote:
sorry church, I 've not had that problem, it might just be your phone.....
sorry to sound smug but i have yet to find a problem with my phone, in any aspec,(part from green line in recording video, but that doesn't really bother me)




I might add that I have a video ringtone for the person that this always happens from, it doesn't happen when I have contacts that just have a standard ringtone set for.

Posted by boman1882
i've not set a video ringtone yet, but i might set some dirty ass video as it for fun! rosies toilet anyone? no?.. oh ok

Posted by sapporobaby
@Boman1882,

Are you using a vid that you recoreded with the phone or from somewhere else?

Posted by SE Rules
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On 2006-08-11 11:28:33, deathchurch wrote:
Quote:

On 2006-08-11 11:01:37, boman1882 wrote:
sorry church, I 've not had that problem, it might just be your phone.....
sorry to sound smug but i have yet to find a problem with my phone, in any aspec,(part from green line in recording video, but that doesn't really bother me)




I might add that I have a video ringtone for the person that this always happens from, it doesn't happen when I have contacts that just have a standard ringtone set for.



Can't say that that has happened to me, I've used video ringtones both self-recorded and not...

Cheers

Posted by dibberly
is there anywhere you can put the R1CE001 firmware back on - or can you only flash it with generic fw's?

Posted by CyberVisitor
@mwarner

Two more bugs for your list.

1) Progress bar is looking weird in some situations. Copy contacts from phone to sim and you'll see.

2) The total call time in service menu runs "faster" than normal. I've been on the phone for two hours but it now says five. (Yes, it was 0 when I bought the phone, and yes, I'm sure about the two hours.)

Posted by >500
anyone updated software yet? or still old one?

Posted by jcwhite_uk
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On 2006-08-13 13:10:40, CyberVisitor wrote:

2) The total call time in service menu runs "faster" than normal. I've been on the phone for two hours but it now says five. (Yes, it was 0 when I bought the phone, and yes, I'm sure about the two hours.)


i have noticed this too. Mine says double in the service menu what it does in the call timers.


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