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Posted by hanugro
Quote:

On 2007-01-12 16:57:42, Enrico19 wrote:
Does somebody know why the K800i has no Mega Bass?




Because it is not Walkman phone?


Posted by aremaboy
M600i has it..it's a matter of marketing only..somebody said to me the Walkman Phone W710 doesn't even have MegaBass. Not sure, though..

Posted by hanugro
Quote:

On 2007-01-12 16:12:00, aremaboy wrote:

Anyway, why did SE change EROM CID to 51 which makes it impossible to update to R3A016? SE may be happy to see many end-users updating their EROM via 3rd party clients by themselves, not involving SE at all, which means SE can save time and energy fixing broken phones...isn't SE supposed to be benefited from the ease of updating EROM? Is this EROM CID 51 is intended to make K800i R3A011 equal to R3A016?

[ This Message was edited by: aremaboy on 2007-01-12 16:04 ]



Well, some said CID is just a pair of RSA certificate (http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=139112#post1873301) . Well you are on that threat as well.

Don't worry to much I bet within weeks Kulan/wotan will be able to load CID51 EROM again. In the mean time just make sure you don't drain/cut off the batt while the phone is still doing something.

As I said SE must have reason to not include this EROM update. I just hope the reason is not to milk those who are not covered by warranty (like bought from overseas).

Posted by hanugro
I finally can flash my Wife Z610i with Taiwan firmware with Kulan Kendi. It has something to do with their feature of finalisation without flashing and I accidently activated it. But I found interesting info as well:

I talked to Kulan ppl and they said that if your phone has CID EROM 49, then you could not update to R1GB CID51 directly. You need to upgrade EROM CID 51 first then flash the firmware to R1GB and that need 2 credits. He said he can't control it and it is a suprised moved by SE. He is trying to figure out how to make that only need 1 credit. I wonder now why wotan has R1GB CID49 . The move to CID51 EROM may be made by SE to make third party update more difficult. He also confirm that you can't downgrade CID. And once you are CID51 EROM you can't install R1ED back ever as that is CID49 firmware (you can only install R1GB CID51 level or newer).

Well as some said that CID is only a pair of RSA (certificate). Maybe finalisation also just inputing necessary certificate to SE phone.

[ This Message was edited by: hanugro on 2007-01-12 16:37 ]

Posted by darrengf
To try and answer the questions regarding the EROM and CID 51

Currently it is not ava to update the EROM using SEUS. I also dont beleive that it would be possible as you have to press more than 1 key and then remove the battery and re replace it.

Customers using the SEUS dont want to be messing about like that also some wont like to keep removing and replacing the battery.

The EROM is the BIOS of the phone and yes is the part that the Boots the phone. However the CID is also an extension of the phone EROM and the CID has been created to improve the security and boot sequence.

The new update is partly a way round in updating the boot sequence of the phone.

There has been a service adivisory out for the EROM of the SE K800 phone for a while but this is for the SE service centers only.

There are only people that read the internet etc that no about the problem, normaly when people get a fault they send it into the shop and says its stopped working, Shop repairs it and he cusotmer is happy.

The EROM doesnt afftect all K800is only some of them and it wold be impossible to do a recall on them as people dont register there phones etc.

As there is no major problem with the handset like catching fire, blowing up etc. There is no need to issue a public statment.

Many Millions of people will never update the phone or even have any problems.

I hope the above makes sense. If you need any help or want any more info then please pm me.



Posted by kalleboo
Quote:

On 2007-01-12 16:57:42, Enrico19 wrote:
Does somebody know why the K800i has no Mega Bass?

The whitepapers say that the K800i is able to play MPEG4 files encoded with the H264 encoder, but when I encode such a video with H264 codec (video) and AAC codec (sound) the mobile is unable to play these files..


1. Because it's not Walkman-branded.
2. H.264 files have to be QCIF resolution to play back, it can't play back QVGA h264 files.

Posted by firefox
hello everybody;
I bought k800i week ago and i enjoyed it. I wonder if firmware updates could in future solve one of minorities in my phone model = video size.
thks all

Posted by SirRobin
Hi!

I've flashed my K800i with Wotan to new firmware. I've a 2E0W String in the System-Info. How can i fix this? Wotan Support says that i've flashed my phone with the wrong CDA but i think not.

Posted by hanugro
Quote:

On 2007-01-13 00:42:03, SirRobin wrote:
Hi!

I've flashed my K800i with Wotan to new firmware. I've a 2E0W String in the System-Info. How can i fix this? Wotan Support says that i've flashed my phone with the wrong CDA but i think not.


Well, I see your problem has not been resolved. But we are not sure what you are talking about. If you can provide picture that shows where the 2E0W string shows up will be helpfull!

Posted by dj christian
Quote:

On 2007-01-13 00:42:03, SirRobin wrote:
Hi!

I've flashed my K800i with Wotan to new firmware. I've a 2E0W String in the System-Info. How can i fix this? Wotan Support says that i've flashed my phone with the wrong CDA but i think not.



That's why you should not upgrade through Wotan and buy a unbranded phone.

Posted by hanugro
Quote:

On 2007-01-12 18:47:16, darrengf wrote:
To try and answer the questions regarding the EROM and CID 51

Currently it is not ava to update the EROM using SEUS. I also dont beleive that it would be possible as you have to press more than 1 key and then remove the battery and re replace it.

Customers using the SEUS dont want to be messing about like that also some wont like to keep removing and replacing the battery.

The EROM is the BIOS of the phone and yes is the part that the Boots the phone. However the CID is also an extension of the phone EROM and the CID has been created to improve the security and boot sequence.

The new update is partly a way round in updating the boot sequence of the phone.

There has been a service adivisory out for the EROM of the SE K800 phone for a while but this is for the SE service centers only.

There are only people that read the internet etc that no about the problem, normaly when people get a fault they send it into the shop and says its stopped working, Shop repairs it and he cusotmer is happy.

The EROM doesnt afftect all K800is only some of them and it wold be impossible to do a recall on them as people dont register there phones etc.

As there is no major problem with the handset like catching fire, blowing up etc. There is no need to issue a public statment.

Many Millions of people will never update the phone or even have any problems.

I hope the above makes sense. If you need any help or want any more info then please pm me.




Many thanks for the explanation. So less worry for those who has upgraded to R1GB. Yeah I think considering so many k800 sold, the one who is searching the net actively is the one who has a problem or question and that is small percentage of failed k800.

Posted by teesiong25
18:54:48| Phone-XS GUI Build V2.10 Alpha Ready!
18:54:48| System Diagnostics check: OK!
18:55:15| Attempting to open the interface...
18:55:15| ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
18:55:15| Turn off phone
18:55:15| Hold C Button on phone and connect phone.
18:55:15| You have 30 seconds.
18:55:15| ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
18:55:15| PORT STATUS: ACTIVE
18:55:15| DBID: 9900 (db2020)
18:55:15| proto: 3.1
18:55:15| phone name detected
18:55:15| ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
18:55:15| PHONE INFO
18:55:15| ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
18:55:15| DBID: db2020
18:55:15| OPT CID: 49
18:55:16| EROM CID: 51
18:55:16| EROM color: red
18:55:16| IMEI: 35342701xxxxxx
18:55:16| Phone: K800
18:55:16| Operator: APAC
18:55:16| CDA: CDA102568/101 R4A
18:55:16| Firmware: R1GB001
18:55:16| EROM: R3A016
18:55:16| ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
18:55:16| ready for operation!

=====================================================

Hi , can any expert here tell me whether i had update the EROM and firmware or not ?

Cause first time i upgrade using Wotan server , i get R1GB CID=49 . But then im using SEUS to update again , i get this above . Is that i've already update my phone to the latest EROM and Firmware ?

Posted by aremaboy
@darrengf and hanugro:
Thanks for the enlightment. The moral lesson is as long as everything runs well, don't worry so much. So, don't fix what is not broken. Once again thanks.

Posted by andre_cool
got the new firmware installed in my phone ......its lags bigtime!!!!!!!!!!!....i also have crashes when i played videos....i only updated because i have wsod!!

Posted by hanugro
Quote:

On 2007-01-13 07:09:48, andre_cool wrote:
got the new firmware installed in my phone ......its lags bigtime!!!!!!!!!!!....i also have crashes when i played videos....i only updated because i have wsod!!


WSOD can be fixed by rewrite EROM. BTW, it is known bug. Don't use the video thumbnail but use the list.

Posted by hanugro
Quote:


18:55:16| Firmware: R1GB001
18:55:16| EROM: R3A016

Hi , can any expert here tell me whether i had update the EROM and firmware or not ?

Cause first time i upgrade using Wotan server , i get R1GB CID=49 . But then im using SEUS to update again , i get this above . Is that i've already update my phone to the latest EROM and Firmware ?




You got latest firmware and EROM.

Posted by teesiong25
Quote:

On 2007-01-13 09:35:59, hanugro wrote:
Quote:


18:55:16| Firmware: R1GB001
18:55:16| EROM: R3A016

Hi , can any expert here tell me whether i had update the EROM and firmware or not ?

Cause first time i upgrade using Wotan server , i get R1GB CID=49 . But then im using SEUS to update again , i get this above . Is that i've already update my phone to the latest EROM and Firmware ?




You got latest firmware and EROM.




Oic , million thanks .


Posted by ppt
after i flashed my k800i R1GB001, i lost all the option to display the menus in other langauges apart from English. is there anyway to fix this?

Posted by Enrico19
@kalleboo:

Thank you very much!
I will try this very soon... Now setting the resolution to QCIF...

I guess the sound can be AAC or AAC+...

Posted by andre_cool
@hanugro

thanks for the advise........hoa can i rewrite the erom?


Posted by dileepd11
Hi all,
R1GB001 has been released for K790 too.
I successfully updated my K790 to R1GB001 via FOTA from India

Hi mwarner,
Its time to update your firmware details for K790 too.
Note that i have added one more item to bug fixes.

R1GB001
- Released in SE Service Centres around 15/12/06
- Released on Wotan on 30/12/06
- Released on SEUS 3/1/07 (Some regions only). Note EROM CID changed to 51 through SEUS.

Improvements
- Updated Video folder - video thumbnails now play when they are hovered over.
- Highlighted menu item animation is now supported.

Bug fixes
- Bug in search facility in applications folder is now fixed.
- Thick black line flashes on screen at the start and end of video playback when playing video in Vertical mode through the File Manager now fixed.
- Selecting More / Information on the Applications and Games folders no longer returns 0KB used and 0 files.

New Bugs
User Interface
- Video preview can crash the phone if the video is encoded as high quality MP4. Note that video preview cannot be turned off, although you can view the folder as a list to avoid the issue.
- Video preview can introduce a lag if the video is encoded in excessively high quality.

Intermittant / Non-working functionality
- Games and applications installed on memory stick from before the update will not work after the upgrade. Note that games and applications installed into phone memory will still function correctly.


My current firmware details:

R1GB001
prgCXC1250477_GENERIC_EV R1GB001

EROM: R3A011
prgCXC1250582_EROM_DB2020_EVITA_FOTA_SIMLOCK_FLAFLA_SIBLEY_SEMCUSB

LCD SW versions
Main display
Current: 200610121

Camera SW versions
Camera
Current: 2.5

ITP SW version:
CXC 125 0413 R1E

Customization
CDA102568/110 R4A
cxc1250491 R1GB001
S_ASIA_LEVAN
Memory Stick:
CDA102715_1

Content version:PA24
Memory Stick: R1A

Java SW version:JP-7.2

Text revision:BJ

Update service SW
UA version:
CRH1069179 R3B021
2006-10-12 08:47

[ This Message was edited by: dileepd11 on 2007-01-14 06:33 ]

Posted by yorkiex
orange uk have new firmware (r1gb001) out for the k800i

23:05:08| ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
23:05:08| PHONE INFO
23:05:08| ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
23:05:08| DBID: db2020
23:05:08| OTP CID: 49
23:05:08| EROM CID: 51
23:05:08| EROM color: Red
23:05:08| IMEI:
23:05:08| Phone: K800
23:05:08| Operator: ORANGE_GEN
23:05:08| CDA: CDA102511/47 R17A
23:05:08| Firmware: R1GB001
23:05:08| EROM: R3A011
23:05:08| ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
23:05:08| Ready for operation!
23:05:35| Sending loaders\db2020_cid01_cert_p3g.bin...
23:05:35| This is a CERTIFICATE loader
23:05:35| Sending loaders\db2020_cid51red_flash_r2a005.bin...
23:05:35| This is a FLASH loader
23:05:35| +++ Sendinging shutdown signal to phone...
23:05:35| +++ Done.. You may now connect again...
23:05:35| Shutting down...


[ This Message was edited by: yorkiex on 2007-01-13 23:07 ]

Posted by hanugro
Quote:

On 2007-01-13 19:19:25, andre_cool wrote:
@hanugro

thanks for the advise........hoa can i rewrite the erom?



Well I think you have updated through SEUS to R1GB right (because the crash video thumbnail preview on high quality video is a bug in R1GB) ? R1GB has update the EROM to CID51 and I am afraid there is no loader yet able to rewrite CID51 EROM. You should update EROM first before upgrading firmware to R1GB.
However it seems that you have overcome WSOD (because you seems to be able to test the video?).
If you still experience WSOD then you have to bring it to authorised service centre.
You can check what is your EROM ver. The latest is R3A016.

Posted by aremaboy
Has anyone been able to update to R1GB via FOTA? It's time to share. FOTA always comes later, yet for some users it's considered easier.
About the missing volume green balls bug, as what was stated by the previous poster---sorry don't exactly remember the name---I can confirm that if you experience it, simply go to standby and lock the phone/lock the keypad! It goes back to normal. Thanks to the founder of the 'remedy'.

[ This Message was edited by: aremaboy on 2007-01-14 08:17 ]

Posted by Doctor Yes
I've also updated my K800i to firmwareversion R1GB001. Now I can't watch tv via the Orange World portal anymore. When the phone connects to the mediaserver, after a while it comes up whith a masage, "can't play". Anybody else whith this problem?

Posted by dj christian
Quote:

New Bugs
User Interface
- Video preview can crash the phone if the video is encoded as high quality MP4. Note that video preview cannot be turned off, although you can view the folder as a list to avoid the issue.
- Video preview can introduce a lag if the video is encoded in excessively high quality.



Well this you can count me in. Stupid shit got my phone to hang and the only solution was to remove the battery. I only got small high quality clips and i only hope SE will update the shit as soon as possible.

[ This Message was edited by: dj christian on 2007-01-14 15:23 ]


Posted by AALNAHAR
(Games and applications installed on memory stick from before the update will not work after the upgrade. Note that games and applications installed into phone memory will still function correctly.) pls how to solve this problem I faced when upgrade to R1GB001 ,if not how to return back to previous firmwork

[ This Message was edited by: AALNAHAR on 2007-01-14 19:07 ]

Posted by hanugro
Quote:

On 2007-01-14 16:23:06, dj christian wrote:
Quote:

New Bugs
User Interface
- Video preview can crash the phone if the video is encoded as high quality MP4. Note that video preview cannot be turned off, although you can view the folder as a list to avoid the issue.
- Video preview can introduce a lag if the video is encoded in excessively high quality.



Well this you can count me in. Stupid shit got my phone to hang and the only solution was to remove the battery. I only got small high quality clips and i only hope SE will update the shit as soon as possible.

[ This Message was edited by: dj christian on 2007-01-14 15:23 ]


Yeah the problem seems related to the encoding not by the file size. So even 1sec of very high quality clip may crash the phone. I am using high quality QVGA-stereo 3gp (maybe just a medium quality mpeg4) and it run OK. It crash if you use video preview though.

Posted by DonJuan
Does anyone ever have this problem? When i attach a picture to a contact it usually comes up when that person texts me. However every so often just the name comes up and the picture vanishes. I have to restart my phone to get it back

This message was posted from a K800i

Posted by yorkiex
Quote:

On 2007-01-14 15:17:18, Doctor Yes wrote:
I've also updated my K800i to firmwareversion R1GB001. Now I can't watch tv via the Orange World portal anymore. When the phone connects to the mediaserver, after a while it comes up whith a masage, "can't play". Anybody else whith this problem?



works fine with me

Posted by sapporobaby
Quote:

On 2007-01-14 20:00:11, AALNAHAR wrote:
(Games and applications installed on memory stick from before the update will not work after the upgrade. Note that games and applications installed into phone memory will still function correctly.) pls how to solve this problem I faced when upgrade to R1GB001 ,if not how to return back to previous firmwork

[ This Message was edited by: AALNAHAR on 2007-01-14 19:07 ]



Of course they will not work. You need to re-install them again.

Posted by chrisbond
Has anybody managed to get their K800i working with Vista. If you plug it in it doesnt even show the drives. Wish sony would get their act together with the Vista drivers. I've not tried SEUS on their yet but probably best to stay away for a while.

Posted by sapporobaby
Quote:

On 2007-01-15 09:14:13, chrisbond wrote:
Has anybody managed to get their K800i working with Vista. If you plug it in it doesnt even show the drives. Wish sony would get their act together with the Vista drivers. I've not tried SEUS on their yet but probably best to stay away for a while.



Uhhhh.... Vista is sort of new, don't you think? Are you sure MS supplied an SDK for SE to use? Maybe it is MS that needs to get their act together.

Posted by SirRobin
Quote:



That's why you should not upgrade through Wotan and buy a unbranded phone.



Sorry, i HAVE an unbranded phone!

The string is the following:

CDA102511/4 R4A
cxc1250490 R1GB001
2E0W EUROPE_2

Posted by kreacher
Is there no 'R1GB001' equivalent release for the K790?

Posted by eggster2k
Quote:

On 2007-01-15 12:40:42, kreacher wrote:
Is there no 'R1GB001' equivalent release for the K790?



according to wotanserver, yes there is.

Posted by andre_cool
@hanugro

ic ic....i dont suffer WSOD anymore ...ok many thanks for the knowledge

Posted by baste07
i believe i've read that R1GB for k790 is also available.. wotan or SEUS i just can't remember. but there is

Posted by ozzyboy
hi anyone ...i have just update my firmware via SEUS to R1GB001 ...
now my phone, dosen't have and romanian language like before just english and other lang.
my phone log is this:

Phone Attached!
Detected SonyEricsson: K800/K610/Z710/K790/W850.
Phone Color: Red
Phone CID: 51
Status Ok, OTP Close, CID49, PAF1
IMEI: 351708-01-*******
Phone EROM: R3A016 prgCXC1250461_EROM_DB2020_WILMA_FOTA_SIMLOCK_FLAFLA_SIBLEY_SEMCUSB
Status Ok, OTP Close, CID49, PAF1
IMEI: 351708-01-*******
K800 recognized!
You must use CID51 Flash Files For this phone!
Press "Flash Files" Tab and download free firmware
Execution Time - 00:00:00
Done!

can tell me anyone how can instal romanian language....or what can I do to have again my language.

thx in advance for all who can help me

Posted by slead
@ozzyboy
you could go back to the last Firmware using Davinci, it might even work with WotanServer, but with WotanServer I dont know if that is possibe...

Posted by ozzyboy
Quote:

On 2007-01-16 00:14:24, slead wrote:
@ozzyboy
you could go back to the last Firmware using Davinci, it might even work with WotanServer, but with WotanServer I dont know if that is possibe...



yes i know that and thx...but is posible to do it by my self, free??? with dcu-60 cable ...and DaVinci 13.7 and some flash files for my phone ...
and another question...I just see'it that site topsony it's not working anymore and I don't know from where can I get the right firmware to flashing the phone, if it's posible, to resolve my problem.

Posted by xstreamsam
is it just me or is there a lot of lag generally in the new firmware?

scrolling through txts inbox and moving around in the main menu window seems very very laggy.

any one else come across this?

Posted by happycheesecake
Quote:

On 2007-01-16 15:36:48, xstreamsam wrote:
is it just me or is there a lot of lag generally in the new firmware?
...
any one else come across this?


Yep, I thought the menu's were slower too. And I keep having issues with the Bluetooth Headset icon remaining on screen even after the headset has disconnected and Bluetooth turned off.

Posted by xstreamsam
i cant even reflash it now!! damn SE!

Posted by Rookwise
One other thing i've noticed is that the framerate for animated themes has dropped. Animations are now slower and not smooth.

This message was posted from a K800i

Posted by altemyr
Quote:

On 2007-01-16 15:48:06, happycheesecake wrote:
Yep, I thought the menu's were slower too. And I keep having issues with the Bluetooth Headset icon remaining on screen even after the headset has disconnected and Bluetooth turned off.




I noticed after both OTA FW upgrades I have made so far, that the first time I opened the menus after the upgrade, it took a very long time, but after that initial menu opening, it returned to its normal menu speed.

Posted by mafia-man
Good news for 3UK subscribers as I'm right now in the middle of updating the firmware on my 3 branded K800i , about time too

Firmware for 3 now reported as: R1EJ001

Feels like a new phone, the menus and thumbnails respond like lighting now and connection to the PC seems to be more responsive too. only hope that Sony can give the user more control of photo compression

[ This Message was edited by: mafia-man on 2007-01-16 15:28 ]

Posted by gudgin
I sent SE an email when the firmware wouldn't update properly for Orange UK.
I Gave them:
My current firmware
the one I was updating to
my OS
what happened on SEUS
the resulting problem on my phone
what I thought was the problem

I got this back today (this happened about a week ago)

With regards to your enquiry, please provide further information as to the problems that you are experiencing so that we can offer further assistance.
If the Update service returns to the main screen then the Update has in fact completed on the handset.


Err, how about no, I told you it didn't reach 100%, it stopped and went back to the start. What more information do they need?

Posted by Royale
Quote:

On 2006-12-29 22:52:43, Royale wrote:
I have brand new k800i "Casino Royale" edition with preinstalled Casino Royale stuff (ringtones, pictures, trailers etc). The problem is, that I can not play them, I get error sayng "Cannot play this ..." All these files are with a little key logo. I have the latest firmware, also reintalled it, but nothing. I downloaded same files from SE site and result was nothing...

I don't care about these files, but this can happen also with other files. So is this my uniqe problem or... ?

In this topic http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=131325&start=30 people with similar problems blame firmware.




I took my phone to warranty and they completley reinstalled the software an now it's OK. I also have R1GB and no video preview crash. Previous bug: the phone forgot "shortcut" after restart is also solved.

[ This Message was edited by: Royale on 2007-01-16 18:22 ]

Posted by Rookwise
Video preview has also been sorted on mine as well after updating through SEUS. I first updated to R1GB via Wotan and the phone kept crashing on the video folder but after updating via SEUS its not crashed at all.
Just a little freeze when highlighting a video I did with the phone


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