Posted by Psycho Dave
The black line that ~DC:UK~ is talking about is there in R1ED001. To confirm this do like this, go in to File manager --> Videos and ViewFly Away. When you press that button there will be black lines when the video image is brought up. When you then play the video there is no problem at all but when the video is finished the video window is repositioned a bit up on the screen and then there will be black lines. The black lines is not in the video playback but it has to do with repositioning of the video image before and after playback. This is not present in Video player since there is no repositioning of the video image there.
Posted by gseth
"Very occasional file corruption (loss of access to the Games and Application folders)"
This bug is still present with the new firmware. My phone restarted during usb file transfer mode and now i cannot access application or the games folder. It says Operation Failed.
Posted by aremaboy
Well, everyone,I'm 'aremaboy' not 'aremeboy'...(laughter). Take it easy guys, we should correct one another in case mistakes are made. That's why I mostly say: correct me if I'm wrong ---NOT humiliate, embarrass, mock, or even kill me if I'm wrong..so be positive to other members..that would be more appreciated..
Posted by sapporobaby
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Sorry about that. Thanks for the correct.
Posted by mwarner
> The black line that ~DC:UK~ is talking about is there
> in R1ED001.
> The black lines is not in the video playback but it has
> to do with repositioning of the video image before
> and after playback.
This repositioning has always occurred - I have just tested it on my R1CB phone. However, I am not sure you could classify that as 'a think black line at the end of the video' - the end of playback is pretty smooth in my opinion, despite the repositioning.
Could anyone with a later firmware comment on this? I don't really want to add this as a bug in the first post if it simply video repositioning.
Posted by jungleandy4
Hi i originally had the sony firmware that came with the phone,video played but was poor quality,i upgraded to the G firmware,video is fine when played thru video player,but when i go into file menu select video folder and play it has thick black line shoot accross screen at beginning and end of any video preloaded or made by me.However if i select landscape to view it isnt there,just dont seem right
Posted by Psycho Dave
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This is how I se the black lines. As I said, it is not in the video.
http://media.putfile.com/Black-line
Posted by mdou
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I have R1EG001 and the thick black line briefly appears when you open and close any video.
Posted by jj03
Just to confirm..cpw has brand specific firmware for the k800i.I know for some, reaching a cpw service centre will be a pain, but, it's the best way to get it for free at the moment.
Posted by baste07
so what's the new firmware?
Posted by baconnugget
I updated my firmware via wotan to EG then went to Sues to update it said new software availible and i updated it, it went bk to ED
Europe 2 CDA
Posted by baste07
has anyone actually upgraded to the new wotan FWs? what's the difference/updates/enhancements?
Posted by sapporobaby
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Baste07 what are you looking for? Is there a specific function that you have in mind? You seem anxious about this based on your posts regarding this.
Posted by mwarner
@Psycho Dave
Great video! It shows the problem very clearly and is absolutely not present with my R1CB001 firmware. I'll add it to the post as a bug in R1ED001
Posted by capuera
@mwarner
Add this information to the black line bug that it occurs only in file manager, not in video player.
Thanks!
Posted by Red_Rach
Just wondering what R1EG001 fixes that R1ED001 didnt? I'm about to update the firmware from R1CB001 and I notice people are talking about a video problem. Is this the only obvious problem or am I better off just upgrading to D001 for now?
Posted by baste07
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sarpy, i'm looking for enhancment. its new so im assuming there are enhancment. again..so many times we've crossed... if you don't have an answer to my inquiry don't answer.. just you sarpy.. peace sis
Posted by aremaboy
I'm sure I've posted this what-you-call-now 'thick black line flashes' several pages before. I used the term 'flicker' at that time, didn't know how to call it properly. But, I think it is only how the system 'restores' itself. This flaw doesn't affect the video during playing at all. It only appears as the transition of play and stop, which I think not a big deal. During playing, there is no black thick line flashing at all. However, I do respect other members' analysis about it and their consideration about it as a bug. It's much better to not have this black line, right? IMHO, This phenomenon is like 'blurred' photo view before it gets into the full resolution. The phone system needs time to restore the video file. Let listen what other Esato experts say about it. There are many here, aren't they? I'm definetely NOT one of them.
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Posted by sapporobaby
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1. My name is not sarpy. If you have problems with the name, take a good look and try again.
2. Not all upgrades supply enhancements. Many to most provide stability. Not a new feature to show off to your friends or something to test to death until you find a bug with. Being as the k800i is a bit complicated and sophisticated, these upgrades are move cosmetic and enhance the stability, i.e. no more WSOD, or power on and off issues.
3. A certain level of user sophistication is also required with this phone.
4. If you do not like my inquiring about your: "what's new, what's new, what's new, what's new, what's new" questions then simply ignore them.
Obviously you did not pick up on the nuances of my inquiry. Next time I will be a bit more obvious for you, and break it down to the lowest common denominator.
Is your phone stable in its daily operation or are you looking for something new? Reason being, SE will drop something new very soon, and the k800i will be old hat. Start saving your pennies. Mine is going up on ebay next week. Only had it two months.
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Posted by farkasg
Is it possible to ban out people from a thread? (Yes I mean sapporobaby here). I can tolerate stupid questions, repetitive bug reportings, because this forum is what for. But this constant f.cking with peoples.... I hate this!
If so, somebody please do something....
I read only this thread because i've bought a k800i, but it so annoying forum, that the only usefull page is the first one..... I will never post here any more....
Posted by sapporobaby
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What are you talking about? I asked a serious question based on the fact that baste07 obviously has a sometimes lack of understanding what an upgrade/update actually does (not in all cases, but some). If you look at the majority of his posts he is concerned about f/w enhancements which in some cases does not address a functionality issue but will address a overall usability issue. The 2 latest releases might not add any new features but will fix or stabilize current functions without you seeing a noticeable difference. This is what I mean about a level of sophistication from a user standpoint. If this is lost on you because of language, then sorry for you and for me. It is very obvious that you also somewhat do not understand what goes on in software updates/upgrades. Not everyone will yield a new function or feature that you can see and show off. It is about enhancing your user experience.
I hope I explained this well enough, as it was my intention to educate you as well as baste07 on the ins and outs of software rather than point out a weakness.
Posted by shanespencer
Just getting back on topic, I upgraded to R1EJ001 yesterday, and in my opinion, the camera quality - photo, not video - has DEFINITELY improved. Photos are no longer 'hazy'; they are slightly more colourful and better looking.
I'll upload a photo taken with the new firmware on my day off; I'm working 12 hours a day at the moment, and I miss all the sunshine!
Oh, in addition; the large-size clock now sits above the date - I couldn't get that to work with the last firmware. (Sorry about the quality of the pic, and also for not rotating it - my Mac won't rotate it)
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Posted by GavinAshford
i do agree with you sapporobaby. i liken the firmware upgrades to updating your computer operating system. you dont necessarilly do it to add functionality to the system but to fix flaws and improve the overall experience for yourself.
it is slightly annoying when people come on and post asking what the new firmwares give you, but that is what the first page is for. im would hope that anyone who notices an improvement/feature would sensibly PM mwarner for him to modify the first page to keep it as up to date as possible.
i imagine that because the new firmwares have been released to wotan so soon after the first major firmware update that these do indeed fix the critical flaws in the R1ED firmware which leads me to believe that the UK may not get the R1ED firmware at all but may get the R1EG firmware with the fixed bugs.
Gavin
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shanespencer - any reason you chose the R1EJ firmware and not the R1EG? i see you're from the uk, i would ahve thought the european languages would have been more of an obvious choice.
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Posted by DCUK7
@ aremaboy
You could be right on this one but no other SE phone (certainly none I've had) has done this. Plus it happens on some peoples R1ED and not others. Maybe its just the video codec initialising. Lets wait and see if anyone else mentions it.
Posted by sapporobaby
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Thanks Gavin. This was the entire object of my post. I was trying to explain to baste07 that new features are not always a good thing and that SE has to save something for later. I would rather have a stable error free system than a feature laden device that is so useless, that I hardly use it.
Posted by sapporobaby
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It could be charging the CCD (does it have one) for recording. I am sure that the video is using a bit more processor and battery power and what we see could be the system powering up. Just a guess, but this would not be uncommon.
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I still think it is a codec problem because I remember when TCPMP was in its early stages (betaplayer) and when the codecs were in early development you sometimes would get similar 'effects' on the screen.
@ shanespencer
Can you have a look at a video on your phone (fly away for example) and see if you can spot a large black line flash across the video when it loads? Cheers.
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You could have a point. I come from the Mac world but I now remember a piece of software (crapware) that did the same exact thing when starting up. It would blank the screen and then some weird characters and lines would appear and then it would all go away and things would be normal.
Posted by Neo-Tech
Has the firmware R1ED001 for o2 come out yet.
thanks in advance
Posted by radiomanic
Argh! Most of the times my pictures lookes likes this.
This happend after I upgraded the firmware. The tumbernail looks fine, but when I open the picture in full size it lookes likes this.
Posted by altemyr
Someone mentioned that the sound volume in the earplug was larger after the last firmware update, and I think I can agree in that, but I don't like the upgrade. What they seem to have done is to increase the amplification somewhere in the middle of the amplifier chain, but it leads to too high input to the physical output amplifier, which makes it clip, rendering a very "compressed" sound result, which is not very nice to listen to. The practical maximum limit you can set now is when one or one and a half of the circles are still not lit in the volume indicator, before the compression effect is too disturbing.
Posted by DCUK7
@ machanic
No, the O2 (and indeed other operator branded firmware) has traditionally taken longer to surface because the operator has to 'brand' it then test it. AFAIK even the generic one is not available on SEUS for UK users yet.
@ radiomanic
Can you press >*<<*<* (where < and > represents pressing the joystick left and right respectively) and go to Service Info > Software Info and tell us the firmware version and what is says for Camera SW version? Also make sure you don't have any effects enabled.
Posted by sapporobaby
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Interesting as I have noticed this as well. What kind of headphones are you using? I am using Etyotics and Ultimate Ears. Both are highend phones. But..... when I use the HBH-DS-970 I do not get the compressed sound (I did have the f/w of the headset upgraded so maybe this helped), but it seems to "breath" a bit. Can you test this out with a HBH-DS970 or some other BT streaming headphones?
Posted by PJMax15
@mwarner
I think you can add the fact that the contents of the Application and Games folders are no longer calculated (size or # of files) in the File Manager with R1ED001 to the bugs list on the first page.
This was discussed by me and one or two other members about 10-15 pages back.
Posted by radiomanic
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No effects was enabled when I took that picture. My camera SW is version 2.5. The firmware is R1ED001.
Posted by altemyr
@sapporobaby:
HPM-70
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I must admit I've never seen a K800i produce a picture like that before. If every picture comes out like that regardless of how dark or bright it is around you then I would suggest the camera software is playing up.
Try doing a master reset, it can solve quite a lot of software problems (if they aren't too serious of course). Did you use SEUS to update the phone?
Posted by jcwhite_uk
If you have updated the firmware already then I would suggest that the camera itself is faulty. I would get it looked at.
Posted by sapporobaby
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Ah, okay. If you can, try again with the HBH-DS970. You might be pleasantly surprised.
Posted by Brady
Has anyone had the phone die on them after upgrading the firmware from the CB version to either ED, EG or EJ?
Posted by Rekoil
I upgraded my K610i from AB to ED with no probs, waiting for a Nordic CDA release of EJ before i upgrade to that.
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Posted by sapporobaby
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Wrong thread dude. This is for the k800i. Not the k610i.
Posted by feelisme
Is the newest firmware having Megabass for music player?
At first, I thought it is the different between K series and W series. Thus K800i without Megabass. However, I found that K750i also having Megabass features, just wondering why the newer version of K series took off this feature.
If this neweest version still don't include megabass, hope the next firmware will includes it.
Posted by shanespencer
No, there's no Megabass.
Posted by sapporobaby
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It is more likely a marketing decision. Normally, Megabass is for the "W" branded phones while "Cybershot" is for the higher end camera phones. On a personal note, I think Megabass destroys the sound of the music.
Posted by altemyr
Doesn't Megabass require hardware support?
This message was posted from a K800i
Posted by baste07
not sure about the hardware support for megabass.
but if not, maybe the manual setting can produce similar quality to megabass..
Posted by altemyr
As far as I can remember, MegaBass was introduced by Sony in their Walkman's while they still used to play C-60 compact cassettes. In those, there was no firmware at all. Instead, Megabass was a special electronic circuit design, mainly consisting of a large capacitor holding the extra charge needed to boost the bass beats and increase the voltage over the output transistors in the amplifier. Maybe, the K800 is built on a platform that actually has this circuit design onboard, to be used in a possible future
-equivalent of the K800i, but that is disabled by the current K800 firmware. In that case, it might be possible to enable Megabass by firmware, like converting a K750 to a W800 by firmware change, but I don't think that this is a method that ever wil lbe supported by 
. They would probably want you to buy the model instead.
Posted by brayjd
All, Can anyone explain why I cannot flash my my K800 EROM using Wotan as my O2 phone is classed as a 'Brown' phone? eg. Development firmware!
Posted by mwarner
Fixed the Black Line bug entry and added the 0KB/0 files bug to the first post.