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Posted by senninha
funny thing is i updated my phone via wotanserver and my animation characters were changed to refined versions of the characters on older phones.

i updated a friend's phone via SEUS and the animation characters are still those little monsters which i don't really like. hmmm...



Posted by aremaboy
Also noted that in Applications and Games folder a '0 kb file size' is shown instead of the actual size. Though you have say, 10 apps and games of 5 MB, the memory status remains showing 0 kb, 0 file. Just a minor miss, not the end of the world.

Posted by dcuk
Hi senninha,
I wonder if by some small chance that the animated sms characters are stored in the EROM, which isn't getting updated by SEUS? (probably not the case but just trying to think of a solution!?)

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On a different subject,
Would it be possible to use someone's account to log into Wotan, update the EROM then use SEUS to update the firmware for free?

From what people have said already on here I fancy trying the latest EROM



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Hope this helps!
Cheers,
Dcuk

[ This Message was edited by: dcuk on 2006-10-07 17:48 ]

Posted by GavinAshford
Quote:

On 2006-10-07 18:47:24, dcuk wrote:

On a different subject,
Would it be possible to use someone's account to log into Wotan, update the EROM then use SEUS to update the firmware for free?

From what people have said already on here I fancy trying the latest EROM



thats what i thought, so i debranded my o2uk k800 with the same firmware but the new erom, however seus is still saying that it has no firmware updates available. so i dont know whether its just there is no firmware available for the north east of the uk or with updating the erom it thinks that the firmware must already be up-to-date.

Posted by pinkboy
I still haven't got a FOTA update in my area, but, is this because i possibly have an O2 'branded' handset? I only ask because my phone is meant to be unbranded on o2 contract, but 'o2 home' is the icon name of the top left menu option. Does this mean that my phone is branded?

If that's the case, does this mean that i may have options that are disabled on my handset, and therefore need to debrand my phone to get the full function back (and then update the standard FOTA f/w)?

Thanks in advance.

****edit***
It was a completely unbranded box (completely sealed) that my phone came in....

[ This Message was edited by: pinkboy on 2006-10-07 18:05 ]

Posted by senninha
Quote:

On 2006-10-07 18:47:24, dcuk wrote:
Hi senninha,
I wonder if by some small chance that the animated sms characters are stored in the EROM, which isn't getting updated by SEUS? (probably not the case but just trying to think of a solution!?)





no, the animated characters would most definitely be in the firmware itself. EROM is just like a PC's BIOS. i just wonder why the characters were released thru wotan but not SEUS. it was definitely worth the 1 euro for me tho!

Posted by dcuk
I can imagine as the original k800i ones are ugly

guess I'll have to wait for the SEUS to get the UK update in my area then I'll post and let you know if the same thing happens on mine as your firends.


I can understand SE delaying the updates for different regions to maintain bandwith, with so many people wanting to update all at once it must be a huge load on their servers


Posted by killsta
How exactly do SE know who is where (besides country) when using SEUS?

Posted by typhoon9
I am in leicester uk its 19.09 sat 7th i am on o2 contract just tried fota and seus both say i have the latest firmware version R1CB001 anyone else had any luck updating ?

Posted by GavinAshford
i imagine that since its an o2 contract and i'm guessing you havent flashed your phone with generic firmware (so that the top left icon on the main menu is a "play now" green arrow) then you will be awaiting an o2 specific release of the new firmware, which is yet to be available.

someone mentioned a couple of pages ago that they were able to update their phone in the uk, is this true, has anyone in the uk been sucessful through seus?? (on any generic/specific firmwares)

just tried my generic uk EU2 again and theres still none available

Posted by k700 > Clara
Can someone tell me what has happened? Ive got camera version 2.4 after firmware update of R1ED001 . I should have camera version 2.5 . Ive tried 2 times using SEUS in Australia 2 get camera 2.5, but no luck. Any ideas guys.

Posted by alanjrobertson
Quote:

On 2006-10-07 20:24:08, GavinAshford wrote:
i imagine that since its an o2 contract and i'm guessing you havent flashed your phone with generic firmware (so that the top left icon on the main menu is a "play now" green arrow) then you will be awaiting an o2 specific release of the new firmware, which is yet to be available.

someone mentioned a couple of pages ago that they were able to update their phone in the uk, is this true, has anyone in the uk been sucessful through seus?? (on any generic/specific firmwares)

just tried my generic uk EU2 again and theres still none available


I think the O2 firmware is very close to generic - after changing the wallpaper then the only remaining piece of branding is the O2 logo in the menu (a vast improvement compared to Orange!) - it also mentions 'generic' within my SW info...

R1CB001
prgCXC1250210_GENERIC_WI R1CB001
CDA102511/41 R11A
EUROPE_2

So hopefully the generic and O2 versions should be pretty much out at the same time.

I remember someone posting that they'd managed to update in the UK but I wasn't sure if this was with a UK f/w phone or not - certainly all the other posters don't seem to be having any luck with UK handsets.

Posted by GavinAshford
it does indeed say generic however your cda says otherwise, if you look at the bottom of the first post in this topic you'll see that CDA102511/41 is an o2 phone, uk unbranded ends with a 2.

the o2 "branding" is good in that there is very little, i do approve of this compared to other phone companies.

i'm glad im not alone in not being able to recieve updates. i look forward to trying in a weeks time or so.

Gavin

Posted by k700 > Clara
Hi, my phone is an australian one. Which was debranded on Wotan. I would suggest others have 2 look at their R1ED001 details. U 2 may have an old camera version...

Posted by alanjrobertson
Quote:

On 2006-10-07 20:50:59, GavinAshford wrote:
it does indeed say generic however your cda says otherwise, if you look at the bottom of the first post in this topic you'll see that CDA102511/41 is an o2 phone, uk unbranded ends with a 2.

the o2 "branding" is good in that there is very little, i do approve of this compared to other phone companies.

Yes I'd seen that - couldn't quite understand why the generic bit was in there given that it isn't quite. As you say though - as close to unbranded as can be hoped (and it was a discounted 'refurbished' model though OSPS - very good deal in the end )

Alan

Posted by PJMax15
Quote:

On 2006-10-07 18:01:00, aremaboy wrote:
Also noted that in Applications and Games folder a '0 kb file size' is shown instead of the actual size. Though you have say, 10 apps and games of 5 MB, the memory status remains showing 0 kb, 0 file. Just a minor miss, not the end of the world.



Thank god someone else noticed that. Now I can sleep easier . I wonder if this is a minor bug or intended, since you cannot actually move applications or games anywhere once they are installed.

One other thing I noticed that the new firmware fixed the DRM files bug I had. With previous firmware, the phone did not recognize DRM protected theme files (dm extension). Now this problem is fixed.

Posted by sapporobaby
Quote:

On 2006-10-07 21:29:11, PJMax15 wrote:

Thank god someone else noticed that. Now I can sleep easier . I wonder if this is a minor bug or intended, since you cannot actually move applications or games anywhere once they are installed.




Incorrect. You can move them between the phone memory and the card memory, and vice verse. Where did you get the idea that you can't?

Posted by PJMax15
@ sapporrobaby

I have not gotten my M2 Micro yet, so I had no idea. Are you saying that once I move them to the memory stick, I can then back the installed apps back to PC?

Posted by killsta
No, but you can copy then back to the phone memory.

Posted by jj03
Quote:

On 2006-10-07 11:30:06, mrwoll wrote:
@jj03

By unbranded do you mean you had already previously updated via Wotan? Because then it should be the same firmware.

I am on O2 aswell and their phones are pretty much unbranded anyway, just trying to clarify.





No..i mean that my handset is a generic version...i bought it from cpw on o2..but there's no branding whatsoever..i updated mine through seus yesterday, and now have the R1ED firmware (original was R1CB)...

Posted by ja@mx
Hello, I have a k790a unbranded, got it from Amazon, anywho, I have firmware:

R1EG001
the EROM is R3A011
and camera is 2.5
is this newer than R1ED or just personalized for the k790a?

Later!


Angel

[ This Message was edited by: ja@mx on 2006-10-08 00:37 ]

Posted by sielski666
So wat yr saying is the o2 firmware is the same to the generic version? How is that could u explane more detailed.

just like to add could any1 whois inthe uk got the update




This message was posted from a K800i

[ This Message was edited by: sielski666 on 2006-10-08 01:19 ]

Posted by baste07
how come some firware say "generic" although some say for example "china" but both are unbranded.

Posted by presto
I am on T-Mobile UK but when I tried to update it says no available update? Is this the same for many?

Ty

Posted by Sirhackalot
Quote:

On 2006-10-08 03:01:15, baste07 wrote:
how come some firware say "generic" although some say for example "china" but both are unbranded.



The HONG_KONG is also unbranded. I have the playnow icon and everything. Dunno maby they say that because its related to the region language pack. Mabe China's service providers don't brand?

Posted by Phantom
so how about the music player cutting off song titles... and not scrolling...?
is it still like that?

example...
for "The Killers - When You Were Young"
all it shows in my music player "Now Playing" screen is...

The Killers
When You Were You
Sam's Town

haha.. does it on some other songs too..


Posted by chadiwrx
Quote:

On 2006-10-07 20:58:15, k700 > Clara wrote:
Hi, my phone is an australian one. Which was debranded on Wotan. I would suggest others have 2 look at their R1ED001 details. U 2 may have an old camera version...


I'm from Aus too & my handset is a branded handset. I haven't debranded mine yet. But when i updated the firmware my camera version got updated too it's 2.5 now. I don't know why your one didn't get updated. Maybe this happened because you debranded your handset before the update.

Posted by Red_Rach
What is the latest firmware in the uk?

I'm on O2 and have just tried to update my phone using both the usb and via the update service on the phone itself and it says that the phone is up to date.

My fireware is R1CB001, although I think this isnt the latest??

Other information:

cxc1250210
R1CB001
060608

Any help appreciated.

Posted by baste07
Quote:

On 2006-10-08 03:35:55, Sirhackalot wrote:
Quote:

On 2006-10-08 03:01:15, baste07 wrote:
how come some firware say "generic" although some say for example "china" but both are unbranded.



The HONG_KONG is also unbranded. I have the playnow icon and everything. Dunno maby they say that because its related to the region language pack. Mabe China's service providers don't brand?




not sure also. but atleast they're both unbranded

Posted by radiomanic
When I try to use a Application as a wallpaper it says "Empty folder". Any ideas?

Posted by jj03
Your trying to use an application as a wallpaper? hmmm..wonder why it didn't work..lmao

Posted by Psycho Dave
Quote:

On 2006-10-08 10:37:12, radiomanic wrote:
When I try to use a Application as a wallpaper it says "Empty folder". Any ideas?


I have the same problem

Quote:

On 2006-10-08 11:23:42, jj03 wrote:
Your trying to use an application as a wallpaper? hmmm..wonder why it didn't work..lmao


What is so funny? In the latest firmware there is an option to use an application as a wallpaper.

Posted by baste07
what's the effect of using an application as wallpaper. not seen it before.

Posted by sapporobaby
Quote:

On 2006-10-08 11:23:42, jj03 wrote:
Your trying to use an application as a wallpaper? hmmm..wonder why it didn't work..lmao



LMAO at you for not knowing that you can use Applications as wall papers. If you had read in the thread you would have seen that this is possible.



Posted by Spawn
Well at least the key pad sounds work now lol, did my update last night..sim free unit from uk and it updated perfectly well.
Looks like all those annoying bugs that were present in the bluetooth audio streaming to my hbh ds970 have been rectified which is a blessing in disguise. About time SE fixed those bugs...

Posted by bobtastic
edit.

woops, didnt search hard enough

[ This Message was edited by: bobtastic on 2006-10-08 11:34 ]

Posted by baste07
i hope SE addresses the use of the keypads in the inner menus (like the filemanager) after entering the filemanager you can no longer press for example 1 to activate the first menu in the filemanager

Posted by DCUK7
Has anyone tried the Sonic 1 part 2 java game on their K800i on the new firmware? After the update I put both parts on the phone and the second part takes a long time to load and performs quite a bit slower than part 1 in game (and slower than it did on the first firmware)!

Wondering if its just mine or what!?

Posted by alanjrobertson
Quote:

On 2006-10-08 08:23:45, Red_Rach wrote:
What is the latest firmware in the uk?

I'm on O2 and have just tried to update my phone using both the usb and via the update service on the phone itself and it says that the phone is up to date.

My fireware is R1CB001, although I think this isnt the latest??

No, R1ED001 is the latest but unfortunately SE don't seem to have released it for the UK yet - everyone here seems to be having the same problems trying to update. Hopefully should be working later in the week.

Alan

Posted by baste07
yeah. that normally how it goes.. they don't release it all at the same time. but i'm sure they'll get it out soon

Posted by sielski666
at least we know its out and will be available soon


Posted by baste07
yeah. it will be out soon.

Posted by radiomanic
Quote:

On 2006-10-08 11:23:42, jj03 wrote:
Your trying to use an application as a wallpaper? hmmm..wonder why it didn't work..lmao



Hehe. With a application you can make a slideshow with your pictures. But now you know

Posted by sapporobaby
Quote:

On 2006-10-08 15:31:41, sielski666 wrote:
at least we know its out and will be available soon





It depends on your operator and if they release an update. As I mentioned earlier, I had an E-Plus branded handy that was only branded in the startup and shutdown screens. However, there were three f/w updates that came out and E-Plus never released one. I had to go to SE and they forced the update to my phone. Just because it is out in other countries and operators does not mean your particular operator will have a release prepared.

Posted by sielski666
that sounds like a pain in the arse for u like. well i guess the key is just to wait and c i think

Posted by sapporobaby
Quote:

On 2006-10-08 17:40:55, sielski666 wrote:
that sounds like a pain in the arse for u like. well i guess the key is just to wait and c i think




I think you are on O2 right? You might want to call them and ask them when is the release date. Sort of act like you know it is coming but want to make sure. Try to bluff them as it were. You might get lucky and they tell you within a few days. If not there is always WOTAN.

Posted by sielski666
i will do thanx for the advice. i think it wont be a prob, looks like other ppl on o2 in the uk hasnt had the problem but illl ring them now just in case

Posted by mrwoll
Quote:

On 2006-10-08 17:58:33, sielski666 wrote:
i will do thanx for the advice. i think it wont be a prob, looks like other ppl on o2 in the uk hasnt had the problem but illl ring them now just in case




Cool let us know what they say over at O2.

Cheers

Posted by sielski666
rite

rang o2 and i said to them that many ppl on o2 over england have updated in the south and after me saying i have checked the se update survices and having no luck they said that they dont know anything and that the best thing to do is check se website. so lol after about 30 mins explaining to the person as at first he didnt understand he couldnt help.

Posted by GavinAshford
Quote:
On 2006-10-08 17:26:20, sapporobaby wrote:
Just because it is out in other countries and operators does not mean your particular operator will have a release prepared.



this it true however those who (like me) use wotan to flash their phones to generic firmware first should be able to upgrade using seus when it becomes available in their respective countries.

waiting is definately the key, and not to expect operators to release new firmware revisions, remember this probably costs them (in modification fees and paying SE every time a new firmware is released) and they dont get anything back from customers!

i dont believe there is any documentation that says they have to provide new firmware revisions, i could however be incorrect.


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