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Posted by sapporobaby
@jnhl74


Many to most here are well aware of the pitfalls of using DaVinci, Wotan, etc..... and like most, I can say that we do not like being treated as babies. Your laughing SE friends are probably like my SE friends who also understand the want and desire to have their phones upgraded. Before you can talk down to the members of this forum and let alone this thread, you need to get a bit more credibility. Your points are noted now move along.


Posted by Pebb
Everytime I upgrade my firmware I lose all my internet settings and email settings. Is there anyway to get these off the phone prior to upgrading ? I did R1ED001 and then again with EROM update yesterday.

Ta

Posted by espenleka
Quote:

On 2006-09-26 22:19:23, darrengf wrote:
Ok Same Pics with the New K800i
Again one with out flash in room light and one with flash in darkness



Could you kindly put these pics (and perhaps few more? ) on the internet, so the size and quality is original and without any logos on them? That would be much better for comparing the quality of the camera between the old and new fw.


Posted by jasond
Quote:

On 2006-09-27 09:31:37, Pebb wrote:
Everytime I upgrade my firmware I lose all my internet settings and email settings. Is there anyway to get these off the phone prior to upgrading ? I did R1ED001 and then again with EROM update yesterday.

Ta



Internet settings are a bit trickier to back up. I too wish there was a straightforward way to save these along with the custom dictionary.

It is at least easy enough to resend them from the Sony Ericsson website. And a program like MyPhoneExplorer will take care of all your other user data.

Posted by drich290195
Quote:

I surely hope that ppl knows what void warranty means...


- How would sony ericsson no its not their firmware, A)if it wont switch on
B) Just take it back when the fimware is released.

No problems wih warranty as far as i can See.

Posted by darrengf
Well Good Afternoon to you all.

I have just been catching up with some of the comments that have recently been made.

ok Ill try to answer them all for you.

1st of all, The firmware that is on Wotan server is an approved version from SE. The company pays SE for the privlage of having the firmware so people can update first / Debrand the phone etc. the EROM update is to make the phone more stable and again is an approved version from SE.

2nd, People like my self who upgarde earlier are sort of like Testers for SE. We place our findings on here, How do you think SE and other companies know about most of there faults. SE do read threads like these and so do the mobile companies.

3rd. And i agree with people on here. You dont have to pay for it. I dont mind paying 7 Euros to upgrade early. If you dont want to pay then drive to a SE Service center who will do the update for free. However this will cost parking (If you have to pay) Petrol or a bus journey etc. also the phone will be ready the following day so thats another journey.

4th SE update service doesnt have to post anything for any of there mobile phones. They do this for the customers benefit and to try and keep them. Nokia have only just started there service.

Please dont shoot people on here. We are all trying to help each other out with our findings and hope to make a better phone and beat Nokias (Joke )

Service Centers have only just been given there update of the new firmware and erom in the last week, this is why SE update is still saying that the phone has the latest version and may continue to say it for a few more days yet.

arh and the other question of the 30 pages of faults.

Ok yes there is a current list, but this just doesnt cover the K800i. It covers all there latest versions of firmware relases of there current models and new ones waiting to be released.

Modifications / Updates / Possible Changes / Changes that are waiting to be done etc.

I hope ive answered everything.


Oh well back to work now.

Posted by Pebb
Quote:

On 2006-09-27 15:16:27, drich290195 wrote:
Quote:

I surely hope that ppl knows what void warranty means...


- How would sony ericsson no its not their firmware, A)if it wont switch on
B) Just take it back when the fimware is released.

No problems wih warranty as far as i can See.



Unfortunately I don't get my GSM WAP connection setup automatically. I have to remember which bits to fill in. There are some countries out there that don't have GPRS still.....

Posted by ghostfreak
Upgrading the EROM, will you need to backup everything on your phone first? Or is there no need?

*EDIT*: There's actually no need...I connected to wotan and it told me straight away I needed to update I updated, removed battery, inserted again, and everything seems fine.

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T300 > T610 > K700i > K750i > K800i > ?

[ This Message was edited by: ghostfreak on 2006-09-27 16:25 ]

Posted by mwarner
Updated the first post with DarrenGF's comments. Thanks Darren!


Posted by tempus-x
Quote:

On 2006-09-27 17:00:06, ghostfreak wrote:
Upgrading the EROM, will you need to backup everything on your phone first? Or is there no need?

*EDIT*: There's actually no need...I connected to wotan and it told me straight away I needed to update I updated, removed battery, inserted again, and everything seems fine.

_________________
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T300 > T610 > K700i > K750i > K800i > ?

[ This Message was edited by: ghostfreak on 2006-09-27 16:25 ]



Can you confirm what you did regarding your EROM upgrade? I've already got R1ED001 on my k800i but want the EROM upgrade too (now free on Wotan by the way). However i don't want to reflash with R1ED001 following the EROM upgrade. Did you just upgrade EROM and not the firmware, and the phone booted up ok afterwards?

Posted by DCUK7
Quote:

On 2006-09-27 17:00:06, ghostfreak wrote:
Upgrading the EROM, will you need to backup everything on your phone first? Or is there no need?

*EDIT*: There's actually no need...I connected to wotan and it told me straight away I needed to update I updated, removed battery, inserted again, and everything seems fine.

_________________
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T300 > T610 > K700i > K750i > K800i > ?

[ This Message was edited by: ghostfreak on 2006-09-27 16:25 ]



So with Wotan you won't lose all installed games/messages/contacts/etc? If that is the case then I am dumping Davinci!!!

Posted by wiggum
newbie here. i want to get most from my new fone which i got today from THREE Australia. i got the first release (SW:R1CB001 EROM:R3A011)and im wanting to upgrade both the firmware and erom.

before i do this, i just want to know if i'll be debranding the fone? and if so, would THREE and all its features still work?

also without going back through all the previous pages, can someone point me to where i can get the upgrade for free?

thanks

Posted by [CC]RebelsAd
You can get the free upgrade from SEUS by downloading and installing the update service software but only when SE release a 3 version. If you dont mind losing the 3 branding and paying a small fee then use the Wotan software.

Now for my question, how do you get Wotan to update the EROM? It just keeps saying invalid account for me after is press 2 and 5 as instructed?

RA

[ This Message was edited by: [CC]RebelsAd on 2006-09-27 18:49 ]

Posted by tempus-x
Quote:

On 2006-09-27 19:47:58, [CC]RebelsAd wrote:
You can get the free upgrade from SEUS by downloading and installing the update service software but only when SE release a 3 version. If you dont mind losing the 3 branding and paying a small fee then use the Wotan software.

Now for my question, how do you get Wotan to update the EROM? It just keeps saying invalid account for me after is press 2 and 5 as instructed?

RA

[ This Message was edited by: [CC]RebelsAd on 2006-09-27 18:49 ]



I'm having the same problem, post here if you manage to resolve it please! And also if you can confirm whether the EROM upgrade can be done without doing a firmware flash afterwards.

[ This Message was edited by: tempus-x on 2006-09-27 18:59 ]

Posted by ghostfreak
Quote:

On 2006-09-27 19:36:48, ~DC:UK~ wrote:
Quote:

On 2006-09-27 17:00:06, ghostfreak wrote:
Upgrading the EROM, will you need to backup everything on your phone first? Or is there no need?

*EDIT*: There's actually no need...I connected to wotan and it told me straight away I needed to update I updated, removed battery, inserted again, and everything seems fine.

_________________
http://www.xfilesforum.net - Dare To Believe?
T300 > T610 > K700i > K750i > K800i > ?

[ This Message was edited by: ghostfreak on 2006-09-27 16:25 ]



So with Wotan you won't lose all installed games/messages/contacts/etc? If that is the case then I am dumping Davinci!!!



If you're upgrading the firmware you'll lose everything if you don't make a backup. When you upgrade the EROM all your data is still present

Posted by tempus-x
ghostfreak, can you confirm how you got wotan to upgrade erom for free? i keep getting a 'no credit' message when i follow all the instructions? i've used an old login and blanked both boxes with the same result?

Posted by obentou
I just did an EROM upgrade as mentioned by other users here free from Wotan.

I downloaded their new client, 0.93 I believe and left the server settings the way they are in the box. I followed the instructions (press 2+5, connect phone) and then the program proceeded to upgrade the EROM. It was a very fast process, around 5 seconds. I have just powered on my phone with no problems, and the service info reads the EROM as R3A016.

I did not upgrade the firmware following this procedure, so updating the EROM standalone will not hurt your phone. Hope this helps.

Posted by [CC]RebelsAd
I tried that but will try again now,

RA.

[RebEdit] A quote from the admin at WotanServer forums:

Quote:
EROM upgrade is of course free, but you must have at least one valid credit to do this operation...

[/RebEdit]

[ This Message was edited by: [CC]RebelsAd on 2006-09-27 21:42 ]

Posted by obentou
This wasn't the case for me. I didn't have to buy a credit.

But for the heck of it, I just bought one right now and upgraded to R1ED001. Couldn't stand my alarms not going off, I'm late for school almost every other day.

Hope this bug is fixed in this FW. I'll report some fixes as I see them.

Posted by ghostfreak
I just payed for a new credit

Posted by wiggum
Quote:

On 2006-09-27 19:47:58, [CC]RebelsAd wrote:
You can get the free upgrade from SEUS by downloading and installing the update service software but only when SE release a 3 version. If you dont mind losing the 3 branding and paying a small fee then use the Wotan software.

Now for my question, how do you get Wotan to update the EROM? It just keeps saying invalid account for me after is press 2 and 5 as instructed?

RA

[ This Message was edited by: [CC]RebelsAd on 2006-09-27 18:49 ]



if i go with the wotan, and lose the branding, would the phone still work with the THREE network? from what ive read, i lose the THREE internet settings, etc. is there anyway to back it up?

also, what version of flash do i need? i can get the SE update service to run. i tried installing Flash 8 and 9.


[ This Message was edited by: wiggum on 2006-09-28 00:46 ]

[ This Message was edited by: wiggum on 2006-09-28 00:50 ]

Posted by mgd
One thing that I've noticed since updating is that I no longer need a finger nail to turn the phone on. A light touch of the on button now works. Definitely an improvement.

Posted by obentou
Improvement note - R1ED001 - camera pictures save a LOT FASTER now when taken. (ie. snap sound, and then write to memory) Almost instant, no lag at all.

Posted by Daisun
Quote:


if i go with the wotan, and lose the branding, would the phone still work with the THREE network? from what ive read, i lose the THREE internet settings, etc. is there anyway to back it up?

also, what version of flash do i need? i can get the SE update service to run. i tried installing Flash 8 and 9.




I have an unbranded k800i and i've made it work on the 3 network australia by simply entering the correct settings into it.

You'll find the required settings here, i know it says w900 but those are k800i settings that i posted:

http://www.aussie3g.com/modul[....]0&postorder=asc&highlight=w900

Posted by wiggum
Quote:


I have an unbranded k800i and i've made it work on the 3 network australia by simply entering the correct settings into it.

You'll find the required settings here, i know it says w900 but those are k800i settings that i posted:

http://www.aussie3g.com/modul[....]0&postorder=asc&highlight=w900



thanks for that.

howd you go with updating the ERom? if uve tried it?

Posted by Pebb
Quote:

On 2006-09-27 23:03:30, obentou wrote:
This wasn't the case for me. I didn't have to buy a credit.

But for the heck of it, I just bought one right now and upgraded to R1ED001. Couldn't stand my alarms not going off, I'm late for school almost every other day.

Hope this bug is fixed in this FW. I'll report some fixes as I see them.



Late for school every day, never did me any harm !!!


Posted by darrengf
Quote:

On 2006-09-28 06:48:38, wiggum wrote:
Quote:


I have an unbranded k800i and i've made it work on the 3 network australia by simply entering the correct settings into it.

You'll find the required settings here, i know it says w900 but those are k800i settings that i posted:

http://www.aussie3g.com/modul[....]0&postorder=asc&highlight=w900



thanks for that.

howd you go with updating the ERom? if uve tried it?




You can update the EROM by going to wotanserver.com. They do this for free.

Hope this helps.

Posted by wiggum
im upgrading now. just waiting. . taking a while to download.
thanks for the info guys. ill let u know how i go.

Posted by wiggum
failed. got a csloader sign error #C5

help?

heres a screen shot
http://www.geocities.com/sydneycenterlink/x.jpg
http://www.wotanforum.com/att[....]p?attachmentid=15&d=1159436147

[ This Message was edited by: wiggum on 2006-09-28 10:37 ]

Posted by wiggum
ok, got it working fine. had to flash again. everything is running sweet except i cant seem to send mms.

Posted by Paul_s
I have a question for you all - just went to buy a credit, but it says that the battery has to be fully charged (for obvious reasons)

As there's no display or any indication the phone's charging, what should I do? I have no idea how much charge is in the battery, and don't know anyone else with that could charget the battery for me.. If i connect the mains charger in series would that work? I don't want it to get halfway through and then cut out, frying my phone!!! :S

Posted by obentou
Here is a list of a couple of changes / improvements in R1ED I have bumped into so far:

- locking the phone / pressing a key to wake the phone only brings the screen to a dim level of light, and not full -> dim as experienced with previous firmwares.

- alarms have all gone off so far (I wasn't late for school today - I'm actually in the University right now) Note: the volume of the tune that is played increases more gradually now. Instead of the volume going up WAY loud before you even get to find your phone, the increase is more smooth.

- position of the clock display function in am/pm large mode is bumped up above the date

- the print button when plugging the USB as others have noted

- screen contrast is up a bit - personally, I don't like this.

- call list bug has yet to come up again, haven't experienced it yet; only twice with previous firmware

- the camera, after taking a picture, saves a lot more quicker now. More than 100% quicker. It's almost instant.

- menu navigation is a tad faster, as well as image thumbnail load times

- pop up menu times have lengthened a bit to prevent accidental presses

- the keypad lighting "gradual dim" effect no longer exists when you power down the phone or lock the phone. It just turns off - identical to the K750i now I think.

That's about it for now. I'll add more as the days go by.

[ This Message was edited by: obentou on 2006-09-28 17:50 ]

Posted by blunden
obentou: Nice list. Can't wait for it to be released. I understand if they need to take their time though.

Posted by aremaboy
It would be nicer to have one final perfect firmware than many more which require frequent updates. Sometimes the end-users are lack of time and 'energy' to do so. Not to mention intermittant failure-or dead phones- whilst updating..it's just fine that R1ED001 isn't released for free as long as the final F/W, say R1ZZ010 or something..as the ultimate one is uploaded at the end.

Posted by ghostfreak
It's a lot faster when browsing through the thumbnails I've noticed.

Posted by wiggum
still having trouble with mms after flashing/unbranding my THREE Australia with wotan.
planet3 is working fine, but mms still fails. help anyone?

Posted by bakayo
I have found another fix in the new firmware!

Acura HANDSFREE LINK now functions properly and you can dial and recieve calls thru your Acura handsfree!

Just what I hoped for.

Posted by sapporobaby
Quote:

On 2006-09-29 00:05:00, aremaboy wrote:
It would be nicer to have one final perfect firmware than many more which require frequent updates. Sometimes the end-users are lack of time and 'energy' to do so. Not to mention intermittant failure-or dead phones- whilst updating..it's just fine that R1ED001 isn't released for free as long as the final F/W, say R1ZZ010 or something..as the ultimate one is uploaded at the end.



There is no such thing as a: "perfect" firmware as long as humans design it. This is wishful thinking and naive. The best you can hope for is something that works well and has less problems as the one that preceeds it.

Posted by redzed
hi ... what does generic United Kingdom mean in the CDA list in DavinciTeam Logger. i have a K800i

many thanks scott

Posted by darrengf
Quote:

On 2006-09-29 00:22:17, ghostfreak wrote:
It's a lot faster when browsing through the thumbnails I've noticed.




I have more than one K800 some of them with the New Firmware and new EROM and Some of them with the Old Firmware and Old EROM.

I can say that on all my phones, there is no difference in any of the lag times in the menu from browsing to opening them. The Menu system on SE are already quick and as far as im aware there were no changes wrote for the menu Structure.

The fault is still there on the menu system. Press the menu button on the phone and then press no 7 (File Manager) just then click back, you will notice that its now called messaging, instead of File manager.

Parts of the GUI (Which is the software for the phone) was slightly re wrote
in the firmware and bluetooth fixes were implemented (a few bluetooth fixes)

Hopes this




Posted by jcwhite_uk
If you are over the music player button then press 7 and then back, file manager says music player.

This message was posted from a K800i

Posted by mwarner
@obentou

Thanks for your observations. Those not already found have been noted in the first post.

Mike

Posted by ghostfreak
Quote:

On 2006-09-29 09:48:24, darrengf wrote:
Quote:

On 2006-09-29 00:22:17, ghostfreak wrote:
It's a lot faster when browsing through the thumbnails I've noticed.




I have more than one K800 some of them with the New Firmware and new EROM and Some of them with the Old Firmware and Old EROM.

I can say that on all my phones, there is no difference in any of the lag times in the menu from browsing to opening them. The Menu system on SE are already quick and as far as im aware there were no changes wrote for the menu Structure.

The fault is still there on the menu system. Press the menu button on the phone and then press no 7 (File Manager) just then click back, you will notice that its now called messaging, instead of File manager.

Parts of the GUI (Which is the software for the phone) was slightly re wrote
in the firmware and bluetooth fixes were implemented (a few bluetooth fixes)

Hopes this





This 'bug' happens on my k800i as well.

Posted by Skrue
i believe there is still a bug regarding the contacts. i have R1ED with R3A016 EROM and i have a few people set having each specific ringtone and pictures. Their pictures appear whenever they call however the specific ringtone assigned to them just won't ring. the set ringtone for the phone would instead play rather than the specific/assigned tone for each contact. anyone have the same problem?

Posted by senninha
@skrue

i'm still on the old firmware but i don't have any problems with personal tones/pics. maybe a reflash?

Posted by marmoset
One thing really annoys me about this phone. I use the bluetooth headset a lot whilst driving. Just before the phone rings, the name (from the voice tag i have created) will sound on the phone but not in the bluetooth headset. The noise of the car makes the name inaudible so i don't know who is ringing before i pick it up via bluetooth unless i look at the phone which i don't really want to do whilst driving. This is an oversight in my eyes.

m

Posted by Skrue
Quote:

On 2006-09-29 12:25:53, senninha wrote:
@skrue

i'm still on the old firmware but i don't have any problems with personal tones/pics. maybe a reflash?



@senninha - musta serr? actually, i had the same problem with the old firmware(R1CB) however there is a work around on how to solve the problem which is a backup/restore of the contacts then adding the pics and tones all over again.

I just wanted to inform you guys that there is still such a bug in the new firmware.

Posted by pinkboy
Quote:

On 2006-09-29 11:31:52, jcwhite_uk wrote:
If you are over the music player button then press 7 and then back, file manager says music player.




This happens with all menu icons when selecting either file manager or Music player.

Looks to me like the name of the icon you are over when you select either one of these, is held in memory when you return - therefore it's showing the name of that icon instead of the correct name.

No big deal. As soon as you move off it, the memory is cleared and the icon gets it's proper name.

Posted by peterawl
Does anyone know if the latest firmware release cures the bug whereby the MP3 Tag information isn't passed from the k800i to the HBH-DS970 Stereo Bluetooth Headset? I contacted SE about a month ago and they acknowledged the bug and said it would be fixed in a future release.

Posted by Paul_s
Can anyone help me with my post yesterday? Will it matter if I flash the phone with the mains adaptor in, because I don't think the battery is fully charged, and I can't find out??


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