Posted by g-roxx0304
I can only confirm that you can still update your phone's firmware through SEUS.
Someone in the K750/W800 Firmware Overview Topic already confirmed that.
Posted by mongoose3800
Gave both 2nd and 3rd a good run. I even played with the preset EQ settings. I really cant see any benifit so I have reverted back to original drivers. What I perceive as hissing/static/crackling is still there in all drivers. It has been an interesting exercise though.
Posted by g-roxx0304
@ aksd,
do you know how we can make our incoming ringtones quality as good as the media player's quality?
Posted by hnhl
@ aksd
This i great! Thanks a lot. I've been waiting for this for a long long time. Now my w800 is a decent mp3-player once again.
Posted by aksd
@mongoose can you please post up the drivers you are using because the last set of drivers I posted are almost identical to R1BC drivers except for 1 file.
I'm 80% sure now that the file that causes the hissing is the LO_play.apf(But I maybe wrong needs a lot more reserch) file contrary to what I first thought. This has not been updated by SE since the R1N release.
Here is the LO_play.apf file for those who require it : http://rapidshare.de/files/23672397/No_Hissing.rar.html
Here is a comparison between both the files...the only difference between both files that I could see in a quick scan was the bits I've marked....thers only a 4 bit difference...cant say if it effects the bass
. I 've got to test out if I put a higher value if the noise will increase. I know this is not the write way to re-program the drivers but since we cant seem to decode the drivers into its language like the camera drivers this is the only way out...with trial and error.......modders from the moto side especially the E398 modders will remeber how we modded our gain tables and DSP's on the bit level.
We'll heres the comparison:
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Posted by mongoose3800
AKSD - PM me your email address and I'll send you a copy of the everything in my acoustic folder after your updates. Note: It is interesting that you say that the last bunch of files is almost the same as the original R1BC files. That would explain why I find it much harder to tell between the two. To clarify - The noise I am no looking for is like a crackle/static that can be heard when the volume is at the 1st bar. Too make sure we are both looking at the same setting lets both manually set our EQ's to max on all values. No mods to settings.xml
Posted by _MaRiO_
Which is driver final and the best?
Posted by mongoose3800
Tried the very lated. I really can't tell the diffence. I am happy to send you the entire contents of my accoustic folder after your updates. I will even send you one of the MP3's i'm testing if you like.
Posted by aksd
For now the best noise removal is the first file.....the later files all have a bit of noise in them to a varying degree but bass at higher vols is better. After my exams I'll get a set of different drivers ready for beta testing and lets all of us tet one version and report the best results.....maybe its a group of files getting rid of the noise and not just 1 file.
One more theory is the radio has no noise...therefore we can rename all radio files to the play files which may rectiffy the problem completely....lets see what can be done.
Regards,
Akshay
Posted by g-roxx0304
Good luck,akshay.
Posted by paternoster
I tested the second files and third files to. They both have a higher hissing level, but better sound quality IMO. So there's a dilemma.
Eventually I reverted back to the first files. Then I combined the first files with the test files askd posted. This seems like the best combination to me.
The hissing stays at the level of the first files and the sound quality is at the same level of the third files.
Is this making any sense ASKD? Or is it just me getting tired after listening to the same songs for hours and reprogramming the phone over and over again? lol
Posted by aksd
dunno for sure mate....thats why I posted it up as test...lol same thing happened to me I really could'nt differentiate after a while.....but the first.....third combo does have a bit more noise than the first only....we'll like I said after my exams I'll sit down to some hardcore modding and then re-build the drivers from scratch...with help from some of you chaps who are interested to help.......
One more development.....I think its possible to get the equaliser settings what you are using in the Mediaplayer to work in the radio....still under development though. For now if you chaps could jsut mix and match the drivers I posted and post back what works best for all would cut out a lot of my work.
Thanks,
Akshay
Posted by paternoster
Don't now zip about programming phone drivers ... but if you need a tester, i'm all yours ...
Posted by aksd
Ok I've re-coded 2 W900 acoustic driver for the W800....tell me if you guys feel any differnce....if need be we'll re-code every possible driver of the W900 to suit the W800.....the difference between the W900 and W800 drivers are the W900 drivers are 4kb while the W800 ones are 5kb...there are fewer bits in the W900 drivers for some reason.....
http://rapidshare.de/files/23708876/DSS_play.apf.html
http://rapidshare.de/files/23709775/farfield_play.apf.html
Just copy this into your directories dont think you'll find any difference in sound qualtiy but its one step foward to a permanent solution to the hissing problem.
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Posted by paternoster
So now i've got a combination af the files from the first post + the handset_play.apf from the test files + the 2 files from the W900.
Seems like the sound quality has improved with the last two files. Sound is fuller and a little less sharp in the high tones.
Volume is way up, so this can't be a problem.
The hissing stays the same so this is good.s
No distortion at high volumes when using manual equalizer settings
Haven't ckecked megabass yet, but to be honest I don't care ...
Does anyone still has the original files from the acoutic folder with firmware R1BC002? I didn't backup them with the first release. I really would like to compare the sound quality I have now with the original quality! Could someone please mail them to me? tnx
Posted by paldrive
Yes, less sharp on high tones with w900 files, I preferred w800 files.
Posted by tiggerbcn
Sorry by my English, use a translator because not to be written it much. After so many tests that you have done, you could raise the correct package of drivers? , it is that I am becoming a mess with so many changes. A great work stays doing. Thanks
Posted by mongoose3800
Agreed. Can we have just one collection of all drivers to be tested as it is starting to get a bit confusing to add this, then that and a dash of salt as well.
Posted by aksd
We'll now I'm catering to the tastes of different people...some want less noise...some dont mind a little more noise but want better soudn at higher volumes...I'll compile different driver packs for different outputs but for now the drivers that reduce maximum sound are the first ones.......the rest are all beta drivers meant for TESTING only.
From now onwards I'll post test drivers and ttell you which is the test ones and which are the final ones.....
For complete noise reduction please download the FIRST set of drivers. Any changes to the drivers will be posted in the first post.
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Posted by tiggerbcn
Hello, thanks for the clarification, have just tried the files of the first post, it first that I have the firmware R1BD001 "beta" in W800, and the VHF_hca file -60_play.apf not has it, but has 2 files that in the file package are not and it are the following:
VHF_2500_play.apf
VHF_2501_play.apf.
After making several proofs with the same files of music going up and by going down the volume my conclusion is that is to hear with but quality the files that have I, is single my appraisal appreciation, maybe my musical ear is not good therefore you puts this --link-- in order that taste those who I have with this firmware to see that appears you.
Best regards
http://www.yousendit.com/tran[....]download&ufid=39BF812051AFAB76
Posted by g-roxx0304
aksd,
go here.
http://forums.se-nse.net/index.php?showtopic=3798
You got what you asked for.Now,do your magic.
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Posted by aksd
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Excellent work...those drivers are totally re-coded are they orignal R1BD? I'm just uploading them...lets see what improvements they have undergone.
@g-roxx....I saw that thanks mate.....I uploaded the W550 driovers..killed all sound on my phone....I then altered them to suit the W800 but the music is only playing in the stereo widening off mode which is something mono output....have to figure out which bit enables the stereo output and enable it....so it will be permanently enabled
Posted by mongoose3800
Well, I can add this. You can't just copy all the W550 files as you end up with very bad sound. You also can't copy all the w900 files as you'll end up with no sound at all.
Posted by aksd
tiggerbcn...your files are good...hiss is still present but I'm not sure its any less than R1BC but I feel its a bit less......mongoose could you check them too...bass is exactly like R1BC and hiss is considerably less.
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Posted by zestyken
hey can anyone send me all the files in the ACCOUSTIC folder... I accidentally deleted it. Now my w800i doesnt sound at all. huhu... my email address is zestyken@yahoo.com. thanks
Posted by tiggerbcn
Sincerely after trying so much does not appreciate to him neither whistles, neither noise, nor nothing, --jejejeje--. to see if between all get the best quality of sound
Posted by mongoose3800
zestyken - I have emailed you the Original R1BC files.
Posted by mongoose3800
I tried tigerbcn's files and really couldn't tell the difference. So back to original files for me.
Through all this testing there are two things that I have found constant. 1) The hiss that is present as soon as you turn on the Walkman player; and 2) Static/crackle that is present in some songs - especially at lower volumes. The changes in sound quality in some of the earlier modified drivers was very noticeable. The later ones are getting harder to tell from the original drivers. This is making it harder to pick the differences. The SE techs must have experienced the same thing and settled on a compromise.
Anyway, I thought I'd try another avenue of testing: I grabbed the headphones from my son's IPOD and plugged them into my W800 and turned on the walkman. Guess what? The hissing is barely noticeable. Then, I Played a song and the static/crackle is also very hard to pick on the Ipod headphones. I took the test one step further and plugged my HPM70 headphones into my computer. Without anything playing I could hear hissing and squeaks (probably noise from the P.C. bus) and so on. I Played the same MP3's I have been testing and I could hear the same type of static and so on. At low volumes the hiss/hum from the computer is so bad you wouldn't be able to listen. I repeated the test on my PC with the Ipod headphones and found no where near as much hiss or static compared to the HPM70's. I would think the headphones may actually be a major contributing factor to the problem. i.e. they are just too sensitive. The phone is still a contributing factor though as there is not any noticeable hiss when my hpm70's are plugged into the ipod. The static/crackles may be nothing more than just noise in the MP3's - just a thought. Try this test yourself. I'd be interested to hear what other people find.
Posted by Xpiritus
If you use this file to reduce noise with the mp3 player, will the sound when you talk to people get lower?
Posted by mongoose3800
I just tested a full set of untouched R1L acoustic drivers (thanks to aksd for providing them). As soon as I turned on the MP player it was immediately obvious that there was less hissing. And at low volumes the hissing was very hard to detect. However, at higher volumes the sound was definitely more prone to distortion. Also, if I’m not mistaken - hissing became more noticeable at high volumes on R1L drivers. So, I would say if you want less hissing at low volume go with the full set of R1L drivers. If you want more volume stick with the R1BC drivers - that's what I’m going to. I also still stand by my previous post that the HPM70's are so sensitive that they contribute/exaggerate the problem.
Off to bed for me now as I want to get a couple of hours sleep before the Socceroos play Croatia in the World Cup at 5:00am. Go the Socceroos!
Posted by Vipera ammodytes
when you say HISSING!!!
do you mean on hissing from loudspeaker or earphones?????
thanks...
btw i have k750 with w800 firmware and i dont have hissing trough earphones, but trough loudspeaker i have(and that is problem in all K750...my 6 friends have K750)
Posted by paldrive
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I totally agree with you. I've bought those headphones hoping to have a better sound but I am not satisfied: imho little bass and lots of mids; lots of treble too but hiss especially at low volume. I like sennheiser mx-300 that came with my old iriver mp3 player (which is nearly 4 years old but sounds waaay better than w800).
Posted by mongoose3800
I got bored at work today and did some more testing of the sound quality differences between the R1L and R1BC acoustic drives on my W800 running R1BC F/W. In my mind I have confirmed what I said last night. i.e. when using the untouched R1L drivers there is a substantial decrease in hissing. To prove it to yourself all you have to do is compare the background hiss that is present when you enter the MP3 player (not playing music). And, with the untouched R1L drivers there is definately a substantial loss of quality when playing at full volume. The bass rattles and treble distorts. The R1BC drivers are definately superior at high volume.
What I find interesting is that I'm almost certain that the sound on a phone with full R1L firmware did not play as loud. I believe the RIL drivers added to a phone with R1BC firmware plays just as loud as R1BC drivers - just with added distortion. So, I'm thinking there is something somewhere else in the main OS of the phone that interacts with these drivers and controls max volume. Does this make sense? Has anyone else done there own testing with the original R1L drivers yet?
Posted by aksd
Yep mate...the volumeis not controoled by the drivers as stated belo but in the settings.xml file located at tpa/preset/settings/multimedia/mp
Posted by mongoose3800
Noted. But all settings.xml does is record the volume I last had the player at, my eq settings and the file I last played. And, a couple of other items not worth mentioning. I think the actual amp gain is somewhere deeper in firmware.
Posted by nilfisk
Hi guys, I have a w810i and also have the hiss issue... I figured that the hissing is only noticable when the volume is at it's lowest, but at the higher levels I will most certainly damage my ears
. So I bought the Sennheiser Mx500 headphones that have 2 times the impedance and a volumecontrol. This means I have to set the volume on the phone a lot louder and I do not notice the hiss anymore.
It's not really a solution, but it might help a few people out I guess!
Posted by mongoose3800
AKSD - I stand corrected - I thought settings.xml recorded the last volume you had the media player set at. I was wrong because when I copied settings.xml with my volume set at 1 it was still recorded as 10 in settings.xml. So, I wonder what the volume string was set at in the original R1L settings.xml? When I get some more time I'll see which volume setting works best with the r1l drivers. Has anyone already found the optimum setting?
Posted by aksd
I think 8 should work fine with the R1L series
Posted by paldrive
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I have tried the R1L you've sent me and I agree with you as regards the results.
Using hpm-70 headphones I don't need to have high volume so R1L can be ok, while using sennheisers, which require higher volume (and hiss less), R1B are better.
Posted by dawnage
hi, I got a (vodafone) branded w810i and I would like to fix this hiss problem too. Is there any way for me to do this? without unbranding it or something, so I can still give it back to the store when I get probs.
Posted by mongoose3800
O.K. I tried changing settings.xml volume to 8 and lower when using R1L drivers. It did not make any improvement in distortion at loud volume. So I reverted back R1BC drivers and changed the volume back to 10. Then I found an intersting side affect of changing settings.xml - The phone seems to lose it's ability to update settings.xml - even when I restored the original untouched copy I found that everytime I restarted my phone and launched the MP3 player it would always start on the same song in the same spot. So, I took a risk and deleted settings.xml. The phone then recreated settings.xml and again writes to the file and remembers which song was last been played and how far in. The only notible change I can see from the backed up settings.xml and newly created one is a different number in "accountid". So if find you have probs with the walkman not remembering your settings delete settings.xml. Of course, backup your old one 1st.
Posted by paldrive
So probably accountid in settings.xml is drivers related.
But if so, where are the settings saved before shutting off the phone?
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Posted by mongoose3800
I wondered that as well because the problem only occurs when you shut down the phone. I assume the settings are probably cached in memory and only write when the phone shuts down. I also wondered what would happen if I deleted settings.xml while R1L drivers were installed. I thought maybe it would recreate settings.xml with optimum settings for R1L. Settings.xml recreated o.k. but the sound quality is still terrible at higher volumes. Back to original drivers....again.
Posted by aksd
lol I think the problem is in the BVHF_play file mate.....replace all your files and take BVHF from R1L and check it out
Posted by paldrive
I wonder where are stored the fixed patterns of equalizer (voice, bass, etc): I find them pretty unuseful as they are (too little modifications), but if we could edit them we could have a personalized set of patterns that could be actually used.
Posted by AJ_SaKa
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Aksd. The last two links dont work, or maybe the mistake are on me? Please explain how to download it.
lot Thanks to you for doing this great work.
Posted by halfster
Does this reduce the hissing with the actual phone speaker as well (without using headset)? Because I tried with the No_hissing.rar but didn't notice any difference. Don't have my headset at home so can't test that yet.
Posted by sasc
Have you guys been noticing a lot of hiss during calls after the latest released firmware on the 750? It comes and goes, and usually it get fixed if you cut the call and recall the other phone, but there has to be a better fix. Its not a reception issue cuz thats 100%.
Anyone?
Posted by aksd
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Posted by shatter_dreamx
hey guys,
i think my player volume is not that loud while playing with loud speaker.
can i do something about it?
thanks