Posted by aksd
Yep K750 earphone shave no cracking on full volume with Megabass I'm listening to music with it right now. Its not the same as mongoose loaded....small differences to increase volume.
You do not need any W900 files or any such thing....just upload this files
Posted by 2uk3y
thanks aksd, u r the best
Posted by happykhan
HPB-60(K750's original headphones) are defienitly much better than those HPM-70s.
you can even guess it offhand just with having a look at both of them(HPB-60 is twice bigger than HPM-70)
JUST have a look at pictures here:
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=126040&14
Posted by masterv
I got the Creative EP-635 In-Ear phones and there i have the cracking with mega bass, too.
Posted by yong24s
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Can anyone upload this to other hosts, i cant seem to download any files from rapidshare. Thanks
Posted by slugworth
PM me your email addy n i shall email it to you
Posted by kristianm
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Thanks for that summary.
A couple more questions, if it's okay:
1. Do these drivers also affect playback of movie files?
2. Do they also affect loudness of the ring tones / message tones?
I'd like to try your modified R1L-drivers, loudness doesn't matter much for me when playing songs because now I don't really like playing songs at max volume with my R1BC002 W800i. But I'm concerned if it'll lower the overall volume for movie files and ring tones as well.
Thanks again.
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Posted by rockygali
IMHO... i think your asking for a different file... this one is only intended for MP Playback...
try to look those files on the Acoustic folder using FAR. youll prolly hit one or two files which is intended for your query...
i think someone here told the technique in achieving your query, is like lookin for that specific acoustic file for SMS tones / Movie Playback etc etc... then basically renaming this Play2_PHF wachammacallit to that file then copy back to the acoustic folder... then there you go.. same volume for everyone...
ciao!
Posted by mongoose3800
KristianM: 1) Yes, with the headphones i think video playback is louder. 2) From my testing there is no impact on ringtone, sms alert, or any other playback throught the loud speaker. This would make sense as I'm pretty sure PHF_2_Play is a Personal Hands Free driver. So, only playback through the headphones will be changed.
I think the loud speaker ring and playback are controlled by a different set of files - at a quick glance, I would guess farfield_ring and Farfield_play. So, if these are the files I guess we may able apply similar changes and get louder speaker playback. If I'm feeling motivated I might play around one night. I don't think the Ring volume needs to be any louder.
Posted by rockygali
how bout renaming PHF_2*.* to FarField_play*.* will that work?
so its like.. taking the specs of PHF_2_play to work with FarField_*.* Specs
Posted by mongoose3800
rockygali: I don't think so. But, then again it might. In my early testing I tried renaming other files to PHF_2_Play and ended up with no sound. I think each set of drivers are set to send their output to the device they correspond to. I know some have renamed farfield_play to farfield_ring only to get lower volume ring tone but with supposedly better sound quality. Perhaps doing the reverse will give louder vol with playback. I just had a quick glance at farfield_play and I think I could increase the volume - if reacts the same way as PHF_2_play. Perhaps when I get some time I will give it a go. I'd like to have louder playback through the speaker as I find it a bit low. I'll let you know how I go.
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Posted by rockygali
ei.. since youve open up the loudspeakers... your PHF_2play really do give out louder outputs.... even in loudspeakers. its very noticeable.
oh well.. i just feel like saying it...
ciao!
Posted by mongoose3800
Really? I've got a mate with an untouched W800 and it sounds just as loud to me.
Posted by DMarley
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I like it!
But the bass crackling is really annoying,i have the volume always ond his hardest and now i can't do that,i'll hope you fix that soon!
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Posted by mongoose3800
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Mate, honestly - I don't know if this can be done. I actually think it may be a bit hard to get decent bass out of such small headphones. Just about every driver we have tried has probs with megabass. Even the original R1BC driver had probs with megabass. I think we may have hit the physical limits of the phone and the headphones. With a little bit of control over the vol and eq settings the end results are still better than the original drivers.
Oh, I have quickly played with farfield play and I have not really been able to get that much of an improvement. I may have gotten a small increase in speaker volume but it's really not worth the effort. To be honest I have no interest in persuing this. So, if someone feels like taking it on go for it.
Posted by kristianm
I finally installed one of the modified drivers, and I'm very very happy that it actually works! No more hissing!
Many thanks to aksd and mongoose3800 and the others who helped improve these 'acoustic' W800 files. I've been hating SE for a long time because of this hissing issue; finally I can give it a rest.
Thank God for FAR manager.
Posted by happykhan
@ mongoose3800
I do not agree with you that we have reached the physical limits of headphones ; here is how i deduced so:
I directly plugged the hpm-70 into my computer's sound card jack.
playing audio files with Windows Media Player , I exprienced really good bass quality with at least 20% louder volume.
YES , when u start playing with EQ of the WMP, then y will pass those limits, BUT with normal setting of EQ, I exprienced one of my life's best quality music listenings.
Just check it out yourself.
Posted by mongoose3800
O.k. It might be a limit on the phone then? Or it might be a limit with the actual media player. Or, I might be wrong all together. I don't use Megabass that much so it doesn't bother me that much
Posted by rockygali
yeah.. why use megabass when you can do it manually... adjust the equalizer..
IMHO its much better than megabass....
Posted by 2uk3y
@ mongoose3800 & rockygali
there is 5 line in manual EQ.....
so how many bar u try up & down for best result on this driver ??
Posted by rockygali
first bar is for the bass.. its obvious as you tweak the notch up or down... youll hear it actually... try to fill the notches of the first bar just 2 notch shy from the top. next bar just a notch shy of the first bar, third bar 1 bar less than the second bar, 4th bar is same as the second... and last bar is same as the first bar....
i will be guessing that the first bar is for BASS, and the last bar is for trebel.
hope this helps yah
Posted by ritche_m
i did try to change my media player with the no hiss APF files. it was great.
but then when i added some new MP3 files, it wont play in media player. it will display an error message "Playback Failed!"
i reverted back to the old files...
Posted by sureshmilton
Simply fabulous work on increasing the volume and eliminating the hiss sound! All credit to aksd, mongoose and others.
It would be great if you guys could find a way to increase the voice volume on the handset. The W800's volume is lower even than the K700. It would be a great help if you guys could break through this.
Posted by mongoose3800
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I've never had this happen and i have changed my MP3's several times and been using modded drivers for a few weeks now. I have seen the message before but only when I had the phone connected to usb cable. This is because the phone can't see the MS when connected to the computer. Could this be the case for you as well? Maybe you didn't disconnect cleanly. What happens if you copy my loud v2 back?
Sureshmilton: I'm quite happy with the earphone volume on phone calls. It's much better than it was in R1L.
2uk3y: I have my eq settings pretty much the same as Rockygali.
Posted by arnarn911
any significant differences between yours and ASKD's version?
Posted by mongoose3800
AKSD has taken a more radical approach in the changes he made. Mine are more subtle and in line with settings I have seen in the other SE drivers. I think the results are the same though. AKSD may have a better idea of what he's doing though as his driver has a completely different structure at the beginning to any other driver. To be honest, I'm a bit biased towards my own driver. But, you be the judge of which one you prefer. It wont take you much time to test. But, if you’re comfortable with FAR and have found the hissing annoying I encourage you to try either my driver or AKSD’s. It’s worth while - I can assure you 100% that I will not be going back to the original driver.
Posted by sureshmilton
@mongoose
Its not the earphone volume. Its the call volume (what you hear from the handset when people talk to you without the handsfree) on the phone itself that I hope to increase.
Is there a way to do this? Any help would be appreciated, guys. Thanks in advance.
Posted by rockygali
with a W800? i guess its firmware related.. i dunno if mongoose can find a way on the acoustic folder.
with K750.. firmware updates have answered that question. up to now... with version R1CA, earpiece volume is average. (that is... without handsfree)
Posted by sureshmilton
@rockgali
Yes, its a W800 with R1CA firmware. I normally find myself pressing the phone to my ears when I'm outdoors straining to hear what the other guy is saying. This led me to the verge of selling my W800 but now I think "no way" now that I have found all these cool features that I can use on my phone.
Let me hope the earpiece volume can be increased
Posted by mongoose3800
I'm guessing it could be handset_call.apf. I might give it a go. I'm a little busy over the next couple of nights though. AKSD might want to have a shot.
Posted by rockygali
you know wot.. if only i can read alien language.. errr HEX that is...
and understand the concept of the program... but im too lazy to do so....
bound to read xml, xl, jsp java and sorts... not this... darn im too dumb
Posted by sureshmilton
I'm a coder too but still nowhere close to these guys. For us earthly people its high level languages only (Dot net for me). Maybe I'll check this file handset_call.apf as mongoose mentioned and see if I can do something.
Posted by mongoose3800
Sorry, there's no Handset_call. There's a handset_play - it's got nothing to do with it though. I deleted it and could still make a call. There are also handset_0_call and handset_1_call. They might have something to do with. I'm going to avoid this as I have no issue the sound vol on my phone and don't want to run up my bill testing drivers. i.e. phone calls are the only way to test and my provider doesn't have free calls.
Posted by tosinv
Hello
Well I guess the loud driver 1st by mongoose 3800 is the best and has the toppest loud sound i ever heard in any other driver just have to play with some equalizer settings and u r done.
In my opinion aksd new driver is not loud at all yes hissing is gone but its nowhere around mongoose driver.Anyways just my opinion dont know whether i am right .I have not tried mongoose 2nd loud driver .i will try it tonight and lets see what it results out.
At last thanks to mongoose and aksd for such amazing stuff Sony people should learn something from them
Thanks mongoose and aksd
Cheers
Posted by frz_1985
the version 2 of mongoose (http://rapidshare.de/files/28510371/PHF_2_play.apf.LOUDV2.html ) is the best in my opinion, u people say it's still cracking with megabass, but why dont stop complaining and just modify the equalizer in the mediaplayer itself! or make ur own driver, cuz i dont think its possible, cuz askd and mongoose has tried many things, so let it go..
thnx to mongoose and aksd, you rock!!!
Posted by tosinv
I Know u r pretty much right that we can play with equalizer settings little bit and one can get some really good sound I have not tried mongoose 2nd driver I will try tonight and will be posting about it.Keep this thread alive
Cheers
Posted by Dan_Aykroyd
Hey! Will it degrade the sound volume or make the 'Mega Bass' selection unlisteneable, such as R1L002? Or will it mantain the high volume, great Mega Bass and no hiss?
Posted by tupac1
everything is good. I used the apf play 2 file only on the 1st page. Ultimate stuff
Posted by mongoose3800
TUPAC1: You'll do much better with AKSD's or my latest driver.
AKSD - Could you maybe update the 1st page to include links to both yours and my latest driver???
Posted by tupac1
Havn't tried your one yet, i've got a good feeling about it
. yeah, edit the first post please
Will try it tonight and post back. atm my phone is charging. cheers
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Posted by tosinv
Hi
I tried the mongoose 3800 second loud driver yes all the hissing is gone and sound is loud but aint that impressive.The first loud version is so loud that u cant take it sometimes.I mean tweaking some equalizer settings the first version blows ur mind I am using an ipod earphone so quality is awesome .I dont care of unnoticible hissing in 1st version .
The 1st verion rocks really its very loud that any other driver i tried Just my opinion.There is distortion at high levels but u can overcome that by tuning the equalizer.
Mongoose 3800 just requesting u can we make something thru which the loudspeaker volume can be increased.
Thanks for all ur great work.
Cheers
Posted by mongoose3800
The temptation to increase volume through the speaker was too much. So I Played around a little. From what I can tell farfield_play.apf is responsible for the output to the speaker during playback. So, I have modified this file in a similar manner to the loud ver of phf_2 and reckon I have increased output volume by around 10%. Please try it and let me know what you think. Here's the link:
http://rapidshare.de/files/29192169/farfield_play.apf.html
Posted by Dan_Aykroyd
Hey moon! How are you doing?
I've tryed both the last posted version of akds and your, and thought they were similar in loudness... is any of the two louder than the other?
Now I'm about to try the speaker one... does it distort? Can it go even louder? Is there any other sound 'environment' that could be tweaked further to increase volumen?
And last... about MegaBass... is there any way to don't make it distort while 'louding' the drivers?
Thanks.
Posted by mongoose3800
Dan - Version 1 of my loud driver is the loudest by far but still has hissing. As for the latest drivers - you need to be the judge of that.
I don't think there is a way around Megabass. Personally, I think Megabass is Cr@p and a waste of time - I'm happy with manually setting my EQ.
And with the speaker drive - again, you be the judge and let me know. I'm happy that the volume is increased. As for the other "sound environments" - just too much mucking around for me to be bothered.
Posted by Dan_Aykroyd
moon:
Tried the speaker one, I think it's actually louder but, could it be it lost sound quality or something? Not that it distorts, but... like if I hear a big 'rumble' instead of hearing each instrument...
And about the other drivers, do you have the link handy of the first version? So I won't have to look them in the >20 pages... if not; it's OK anyway.
But about these... are the v1 louder than v2 but with hissing? Or is v2 as louder as v1 only that it doesn't present the hiss? And v1 still cracks the MegaBass?
Thanks.
P.S.: just out of curiosity... what the heck is MegaBass? An ultra-secret combination of equalizer bars that you could actually replicate by putting them manually, or does it use a different DSP or something?
Posted by mongoose3800
DAN: Here is the link to the LOUD driver
http://rapidshare.de/files/28117979/PHF_2_play.apf.loud.html
I think Megabase is just a customized EQ setting outside the range available through the EQ in the Walkman player.
As far as the speaker driver goes - I didn't think there was that much breakdown in sound. As with the volume on the headphones a little more control over the volume may be required. Music is recorded at different levels. For most songs it's O.K. But for those that are recorded louder you need to turn the vol down abit. I'd rather have to turn the vol down on the loud songs rather than not being able to get the normal and softer level songs to play loud.
Everyone needs to remember that we are dealing with small phone, small speakers and small headphones. The combination will have physical limits. It would be fair to say that SE would have tuned their drivers to get most out of the hardware without loss of quality. When we start hacking these drivers we could actually be stretching the hardware beyond what it was designed to do or what it can do physically. You look at just about any stereo on the market and you will find that they distort at max volumes. More so on some songs than others. This is the same as what we are experiencing. So, I think people need to get a little more realistic with their expectations.
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I "think" best if you want loud without distortions @ max vol on speakers,use the farfield_play.apf from w810i....
Coz i tried yours and it distorts @max vol on speakers...
juz my 2cents,btw yours are GOOD enuff,vol can be slowed down,i can adapt to that...
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Posted by e_erzan
im on mongoose's latest loud PHF_2_play.apf....and i think its good and loud MINUS the hiss PLUS megabass not "so distorted" @full vol(on hpb-60)....Good werk man!Pump us wif more man....it is greatly appreaciated...
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Posted by Dan_Aykroyd
How does the w810 version compares to moongoose? What are the differences? Where is a link to that file? (speaker)
Thanks.
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Added:
Well... I just tested the v1 of moon and it's realy louder!
Even with the hissing and MegaBass distorting I think it's great nonetheless.
I have another batch of questions here
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1) Can the hissing be tweaked also of the speaker file? You know... if you put the phone to your ear when in Walkman mode, you'll hear a hissing there too...
2) Could this v1-headphones be tweaked at least to manage MegaBass and mantain the hiss? Or MegaBass cracks with high volumes, hence while here it cracks?
3) What EQ setting do you use to 'simulate' MegaBass? Care to share it with us, so at least we could live without it distorting?
4) Could v1 be EVEN further improved to make it louder, no matter if MegaBass doesn't work and hiss is still there... I just want to see how far can it go without distorting and then stay there!
Thanks for all, this is really great.
P.S.: moon... you may wanna take care as you're probably going to be prosecuted by medical autorities for releasing something to the masses that will damage their ears badly...!!!
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Posted by yong24s
Hello all,
In this path "tpa/system/multimedia/mp" there is a file call "settings.xml"
By changing the values in the Manual Equalizer script, we can unlock more equalizer bars
Read this somewhere, but cant remember where
Thanks for all efforts
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