Posted by mongoose3800
I've been playing around with the R1L driver and W900 driver and find it very hard to tell any difference. For my personal needs/tastes I believe the R1L or W900 version of Phf_2_play.apf both offer the same resolution to the hissing issue. Both require a little restraint with volume and eq settings at times. Neither perform that well with MegaBass at full volume. But then again the R1BC version was not much better with MegeBass. Speaking of which, I changed back to the R1BC version very quickly this evening. OMG! How on earth did any of us (me in particular) not notice that hissing/static/crackle. It's terrible. I couldn't possibly go back to that now. The R1L version of PHF_2_play has probably saved my hearing as I am now more contempt to play songs at a lower volume. I have also chosen to stay with the R1L version as I'd rather stick with a version that was designed for the W800.
I find it interesting that when you change between the w900 and w800 version of PHF_2_play you need to delete settings.xml (from TPA/SYSTEM/MULTIMEDIA/MP). It's strange, if you don't delete it the phone does not remember which song you were playing when you turn off the phone. So, each time you turn the phone off and on it and open the media player it returns to the same song and position. This is another reason why I rather stay with the driver designed for the w800.
Posted by aksd
There is a hybrid on the first page.....its a re-written R1BC driver with the most minimal changes. Its "the best" hope you've been trying that one and not the W900 driver which is'nt as good in qualtiy as the hybrid driver.
Posted by tupac1
hmm, thanks i try that out now
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Posted by frz_1985
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do you mean this one?
http://rapidshare.de/files/24922645/PHF_2_play.apf.html
from the R1N035 driver, or something else?
thanx in advance
Posted by jack77777
if you want better audio quality but dont want to use far manager and want to keep your hpm70 earphones , simply go to equalizer-> manual , then put the last two bars up to full so the speaker volume will be louder , and the earphone sound will be alot clearer!
Posted by tupac1
no that does not solve the hissing problem. Put on your hpm-70 and press the walkman button. its horrible.
yeah its that file R1N035 driver. Im using it now.
Posted by frz_1985
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me 2, indeed slightly better dan the w9oo file !
don't know why it's a beta version, could be a final version
[ This Message was edited by: frz_1985 on 2006-08-01 21:01 ]
Posted by tupac1
lol i totally agree. I now claim my w800i as the best mp3 phone ever !!thats how you role XD XD XD hell yeah
[ This Message was edited by: tupac1 on 2006-08-01 21:07 ]
Posted by jack77777
i beleive there is hardly a hissing noise i have a k750i flashed to w800i r1b00c1 and sounds exaclty same , with maybe a little more bass
Posted by mongoose3800
Hey AKSD. I been using XVI32 and can see what you've been changing. Clever stuff. Your beta driver is almost identical to orignal R1BC file except for the 1st line. You know what, by changing just 4 values in the R1L driver I can actually get perfect sound and perfect MegaBass - but it comes at the price of a lower max volume. So, I'm going to play around a little more to see what I can get.
Posted by aksd
Cool is'nt it mate. The volume is as high as the R1bC driver but not as high as the R1L drivers. The R1L drivers are louder. I've lost all my drivers cause my hard disk died lol. ANyways I'll mesaage you my MSN and Yahoo maybe we can co-ordinate.
Regards,
Akshay
Posted by max_wedge
interesting what you guys are doing. loving your work
Posted by DanR
Hi guys,
Is this solution also for the W810? I haven't seen anyone speak of it.
Thanks!
EDIT: I found the answer, no. FAR doesn't support the 810
[ This Message was edited by: DanR on 2006-08-02 14:19 ]
Posted by tupac1
I LOVE IT! This is what you call a music phone XD
Posted by tosinv
The Sound Is astonishing but at high volume levels the megabass is crap the sound thru the speaker is also very much clear Thanks
Posted by tupac1
fair dinkum wombat. I think you are using the wrong drivers than. ^.^
Final Beta Version 1.2
http://rapidshare.de/files/24922645/PHF_2_play.apf.html
[ This Message was edited by: tupac1 on 2006-08-02 16:58 ]
Posted by 2uk3y
can anyone confirm this link is same files as here.....
http://forums.se-nse.net/index.php?showtopic=3776
Posted by mongoose3800
Well, here's something new that I have noticed. I've been doing some extensive editing and testing of the R1L and R1BC versions of PHF_2_Play. What's bugged me is that I can't get the distortion out of the driver. I've tried all sorts of changes and the results always seem the same. i.e. hissing gone, increased volume and distortion at max vol. So, I thought I'd delete PHF_2_play and see what impact it would have on the phone. Guess what, hissing is still gone but sound quality is still the same as when using any of previous or hacked versions of the file. So, it would seem that most of the changes we are making are probably corrupting file. In which case the phone probably ignores the file and does not use it. Try it yourself - delete PHF_2_play.apf from your phone (back it up 1st). All I have been doing is comparing and changing the 1st line in the R1L and R1BC ver of PHF_2 as they are very similar. From what I can tell there is a certain format expected in this 1st line and only 2 combinations are acceptable. This format seems consistent across all other drivers as well. The only real improvement I was able to make was by copying the 1st line from the R1BC to the R1L ver of PHF_2. This really makes a big difference in sound quality. Absolutely no distortion at all. But it does lower the max volume quite a bit. When comparing the rest of the contents in the PHF_2 file there are distinct differences between R1BC and R1L that are beyond me. If someone can figure out how this works we may actually come up with a real improvement. AKSD - your thoughts? Anyone else?
Posted by aksd
seems like a problem with the signature bit. did you try the driver on the first page? less distortion. theres one problem with your theory if i install w550 driver i get crackly sound in mono that means the driver is being recognised althoug signature doesnt match.
Posted by sk_k750
I am new here.
How can i look into the contents of the APF files.
I tried using XVI32 but i couldnt get anything...
Thanks in advance..
Thanks for loverly research...
K750 best phone ever...
Posted by mongoose3800
AKSD : Some files do work. I can make the R1L driver sound pretty terrible but can only do so by gradually increasing the values in the 11th,12th,13th, and 14th bits. I can even remove all sound to the headphones. eg. phf_2_FM.apf and PHF_2_Play.apf are very similar but if I copy PHF_2_FM to PHF_2_play I end up with no sound through my headphones. This at least confirms my belief that PHF stands for Personal Hands Free.
Anyway, yes I have tried your beta driver and no matter how hard I try I can't see the difference in sound quality or volume between it, the R1L version or with PHF_2_Play deleted. I have managed to get excellent sound with a modified R1L file but the volume is too low for my liking. Try it yourself - change the 11th,12th,13th and 14th bits from 00,00,00,00 to 01,01,01,01 in the R1L file and see what you get. If your not sure what i'm talking about compare the 1st line of most of the APF files and you'll see they are either 41,50,46,00,01,05,12,d4,00,00,01,01,01,01 or 41,50,46,00,01,05,12,d4,00,00,00,00,00,00. These are the only 2 combos that I can make work with either version. Most of the files in the acoustic dir are very similar in content and structure. I note that the R1BC version of PHF_2_PLAY has a completely different structure to previous versions or the similar xxx_x_play.apf files. This makes it hard to figure out.
I would be interested to hear what results others get by deleting PHF_2_Play? BTW - don't delete all the PHF_X_PLAY files as you'll end up with no sound at all through your headphones.
Good night.
Posted by slugworth
mongoose ever thought the number in play files are EQ setting veriables or anything along those lines?eg play2 = EQ number 2 (bass) prob not atal like this but im sure the number must have a veriable for a reason maybe u should mood all the files to the same and see what happens
Posted by slugworth
btw i only put in the PHF_2_play.asf file on my phone and its great quility still a hiss and a crack every so often when in an amped hifi system. but thats not really a problem to me kinda reminds me of vynal
Posted by paldrive
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Could you please post your R1L driver? No matter if it has lower volume, perfect sound and perfect MegaBass maybe are enough.
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[ This Message was edited by: paldrive on 2006-08-03 18:11 ]
Posted by tupac1
paldrive just use this one. It fixes everything. http://rapidshare.de/files/24922645/PHF_2_play.apf.html
Posted by mongoose3800
O.K. For those who want to play around I have posted 2 versions of PHF_2_Play.APF. One is the modified version of the R1L file I mentioned previously that seems to give very good sound quality and Megabass but at the cost of a lower volume. Download it here:
http://rapidshare.de/files/28118455/PHF_2_play.apf.lowvol.html
The 2nd file is a modified version of the R1BC file. This one still has some hissing in it. But, if you like to blow your brains out this version offers the loudest volume yet. Sure, if you push too far it will distort at later point than other drivers. And, like the original R1BC drivers - megabass is not that good at full vol. In fact i reckon this file stretches the phone to it's max audio capabilities. So, if you want LOUD and never really noticed the hissing try this version: http://rapidshare.de/files/28117979/PHF_2_play.apf.loud.html
Just make sure you rename the files after you download. It's obvious what to do. I'd really like to know what you guys think.
Posted by sk_k750
@mongoose3800
How to look into these files(.apf)...
Is there any tool with which i can open these files,...
Posted by masterv
the phf_2_play.apf.lowvol is better i think less hiss, better sound quality and louder i think as the other
Posted by tosinv
Hi Mongoose U r right The 2nd file modified version of the R1BC file is so loud man its awesome but it costs u as u have to lower the volume coz there is too much distortion at high levels and the 1st one have lower volume but good bass and no distortion ......
One thing i noticed that in the second version is having a little hissing although not noticable.Thanks anyway for the awesome files I am using the second version as it has very high volume levels but one can always lower down the bass levels to suit their needs
Cheers
Posted by mongoose3800
sk_k750: Just use a HEX editor. I followed AKSDs advice and downloaded XVI32. The rest you have to figure out yourself through trial an error.
TOSINV: Yeh, I thought the loud version had less hiss as well. Not completely gone but better. I'm almost considering using it as I like loud music. I've just got to compare the sound a little more to see which one I like best. I'm just wondering if the loud version may have too much of a tin can sound. But, I do think I am starting to lean towards the loud version for the same reason as you. i.e. you can always turn the volume down. And, when turned down to overcome distortion the volume is still probably louder than the original driver at max.
Posted by 2uk3y
@ mongoose3800
thanks bro for the 2 version of sound files........
i prefer the 1st file, even low volume but sound better....
when hear using 5.1 speaker, the megabass equalizer very2 awesome....
the 2nd file give load volume but not the megabass.....
really2 weird sound come out when hear using 5.1 speaker
just my opinion
Posted by mongoose3800
Hey guys. I'm really happy that I have been able to offer a couple more options. I'm actually really glad that some like the lower volume driver. I'm actually not surprised by this as it offers really good sound quality. After mucking around tonight I have decided to go with the loud version for a while as I really like to make my ears ring! Especially when I have had few drinks! But, I think there is enough choice now for people to choose their own preference. I think it really comes down to 4 choices now. 1) use the orig R1L file, 2) use AKSD's beta ver; 3) use my low vol driver; or 4) use my loud driver and send yourself deaf early
! I know my ears are ringing big time at the moment. Don't you just love this ability to play a little?[ This Message was edited by: mongoose3800 on 2006-08-04 15:31 ]
Posted by mongoose3800
I have to add one more point: If you choose to use the loud driver be prepared to play with the EQ settings as you'll be suprised what you can get get out of the "loud" driver I have created. I've had a few drinks tonight and I must say I absolutely love the loud driver as it is really is LOUD LOUD LOUD! I Love it!!!!! - But hey, I'm a bit drunk at the moment. However, even when sober at work I thought I had created a good thing with the loud driver. Try it. Let me know what you think. I really don't care if you hate it. But let me know. Honest opinins are all that really count.
Posted by tosinv
Hi Mongoose as O already mentioned the second file is awesome it really bangs ur head butu know we have to keep the bass very low coz it distorts a lot.Cant we make something that has such high volume level or a little bit low with less distortion.thanbks anyway for the superb driver
Cheers
Posted by happykhan
@ mongoose3800
I tried both of ur files (after renaming them fore sure!!!!)
But with both of them my phone freezed when i tried to play a file via walkman player.
what do u think the reason is?
Posted by mongoose3800
TOSINV: - I wish I could figure out how to stop the BASS distorting. It would seem to me that too much BASS with any of the drivers causes distortion. I think it is either a H/W limitation or a something with the media player itself - which I believe is in the actual F/W. You'll actually notice that the original R1BC driver distorts bass at full volume. So, it can only be expected that more volume will result in more distortion. You, can tone down the EQ a little or just turn the vol down when a song with a lot of BASS comes along.
HAPPYKHAN: - The only thing I can think of is that you are not on the R1BC firmware. I have tested both these drivers extensively on R1BC and not had any problems. Perhaps you should run SEUS to update to R1BC and then try agian. You did only replace PHF_2_PLAY.apf didn't you? And, you're not mixing W900/w550 and W800 drivers?
Posted by happykhan
@ mongoose3800
Yep, only your files and not the others.
Is there any problem with doing that?
Posted by mongoose3800
I thinking there must be some software issue with your phone. No one else has had this problem. Can you confirm what F/W you are running. Have you tried re-flashing on SEUS? What happens when you put the orignal file back? How many files do you see in the acoustic folder? There should be around 90-95. If not I can send you the full contents for R1BC - just PM me your email address.
Posted by kristianm
Hi, mongoose3800.
If you were to measure the maximum volume loudness of the R1L-modified drivers you made using the R1BC-modified version, how many bars of the volume setting of the R1BC-version is it?
Posted by mongoose3800
KristianM: - That's a hard one to answer. It really comes down to your personal taste and what you are willing to tolerate. The Low Vol R1L is not that much changed from the original driver - I only changed 4 bits. I have done a little more playing around with the guts of the drivers but have not made any worthwhile progress - it really is guess work. Below is my experience of how each version of PHF_2_PLAY performs when added to original R1BC files:
Untouched RIBC: - Hissing/Static - Most noticiable at low vol. Offers best sound quality at max vol. Some songs distort with Megabass at max vol.
R1L: Hissing is gone, Distortion at max settings, terrible MegaBass. Does not match max vol of R1BC. I think it is more tinny as well.
AKSD's 1.2 Beta Driver: Hissing gone, Distortion still present at Max Vol, Megabass still distorts at max vol - may be a tad better than R1L - I really can't tell though.
PHF_2_PLAY Deleted: To me, the same results as using R1L or AKSD's beta Driver
My Low Vol Version of R1L: No Hissing, Max vol probably about the same as R1BC on 6 - 6.5 bars, best MegaBass performance.
My Loud Version of R1BC: This one is LOUD. This offers the loudest volume yet. But, it does not get rid of hissing/static. You will probably have to play around with the EQ and vol to get best sound quality for individual songs.
I hope that sums it up. I'd suggest you make up a small Playlist of songs containing songs you want to play loud and songs that you notice the hissing/static in. Then try each driver against these songs and decide which one you like best. That's what i'm doing.
Posted by Vipera ammodytes
Guys, whem you say hissing,on what hissing you mean trough loudspeaker or headphonesThanks
Posted by masterv
hissing through headphones
Posted by mongoose3800
Oh my god! I am so stupid! All this time I have been playing with these drivers and there was one thing I didn't try. It was so obvious. AKSD had achieved no hissing in the R1BC file by changing just 3 bits and I was able to increase volume in the R1BC driver by changing another 4 Bits. But my Loud driver still had the noticeable hissing/static of the R1BC driver. So, I thought: what if I combine the changes? You know what? It worked! The combination results in the same loudness as my current Loud driver but the hissing/static is now gone!. Megabass still distorts at max vol. However, I don't think there is much that can be done about that. i.e. The max volume on previous untouched firmware’s was not as loud as the untouched R1BC F/W. So, distortion probably wasn't an issue. I note that Megabase distorts at max vol in full untouched R1BC drivers.
The driver I have created today is a definite keeper for me! At comparable volumes I think the Sound quality is just as good as the original. If anyone would like to download ver2 of my loud driver I have posted it here:
http://rapidshare.de/files/28510371/PHF_2_play.apf.LOUDV2.html
As usual, rename it before copying to your phone and backup your files before copying. I would again remind people that this driver is significantly louder than the untouched R1BC driver. So, if you want to make comparisons make them at the same audible volume. You'll see that the sound quality is comparable at the same audible level. Test it yourself on several songs. If you're not sure rollback to the original driver, test again and then go forward - I doubt you'll go back again.
Credit must go to ASKD for spotting values in W900 drivers that could be applied to R1BC.
Posted by 2uk3y
@ mongoose3800
thats what i looking for...... load n no hissing
but a bit problem with megabass on max volume......
thats not big problem coz i guess never go for max, damage my ears.....
hope can be repair soon
good job bro, keep it up
Posted by biasiman
Guys I've r1n35 but no hissing of any kind. What is this hissing bug about?
Posted by masterv
thanks mongoose3800
[ This Message was edited by: masterv on 2006-08-07 16:11 ]
Posted by aksd
http://rapidshare.de/files/28524869/PHF_2_play.apf.html
No Hissing and extremely loud.....you cant get louder than this. Thx to mongoose for finidng respective loudness bits. Next will try to eliminate the bass crackling.
Regards,
Akshay
Posted by aksd
I have both the plug ins and the K750 earphones the bass does'nt crack with std K750 earphones and its louder but with the W800 plugins it cracks bad I think the K750 ear phones are better.
Posted by 2uk3y
@ aksd
the file that u upload, is that the same like mongoose3800 upload ????
btw about the earphone k750i, is that true no crack on it when max vol megabass???
Posted by 2uk3y
one more thing......
do i need other acoustic files like w810 or w900 to matchup with this file ???