Posted by BobaFett
before i tell u whats this all about, let me tell u a short story:
the following idea, support, help ( or call how u just want it to ) hitted my mind, when i was informed, that the 4 servers of esato are really not that cheap to manage. now a days ca 1000 ( ! ) euro in a month, depending on up- and downloads and the amount will be more, when more pix etc will be uploaded here in the next future and/or more features will make our stay here more comforteable and colorful. imo its time, that we support laffen, on a certain way...
ESS:
the trader forum on esato is free for everyone, there is no comission just as on gaybay etc, on esato was never askde for money donation for the site etc, esato is FREE to get infos, datas, support, buy and sell...
NOW, its time that WE do something for esato, the site has done for us more then enough in the last years...
i would like to ask the traders, members here, to donate an accesoire, a fone, actually anything u just can or want to, once in a month, every third month, whenever and the money u would get for it, transer to esato bank account. listen, esato is worth for it! i mean, we have so many brilliant and high respected members here, among us are so many great traders, how eran money on esato, the members here get tons of informations here for FREE, so come on and lets support esato, more the servers costs...
i ll make my first donation soon public, if u are with me, if esati is on the same way important for u, just as for me, then honour esato with your cooperation. its NOT a must of course, nobody is forced to do it, nobody will be judged if she/he doesnt take apart in this action, BUT mind my words:
we are siting here day by day, we ll are served on a very nigh level of support, esato l**k our a** almost according the infos, datas, buying and selling products ( me, u and many others earn good money sometimes, with more or less win )... imo its really not that hard, to offer a bit of it for esato. its in our interest, that the servers are working ok. its our second home, so lets manage it together.
hope, that many others will support me ( more esato ) and think of my words, when u buy or sell in the next future, when u find here the seeked info or when u just come here to browse.
thx for your attention,
regards, boba
Posted by kk.226
Don't get me wrong i'd love to help... but I was under the impression esato was making good money for the owner, why else would it still be here?
Posted by BobaFett
i didnt started to discuss here here how much the owner earns by esato... so lets keep to topic...
Posted by kk.226
That's not what I was trying to get at. I was just trying to say, I thought esato didn't need donations, Just wondering what they would be used for.
Posted by BobaFett
"the following idea, support, help ( or call how u just want it to ) hitted my mind, when i was informed, that the 4 servers of esato are really not that cheap to manage. now a days ca 1000 ( ! ) euro in a month, depending on up- and downloads and the amount will be more, when more pix etc will be uploaded here in the next future and/or more features will make our stay here more comforteable and colorful. imo its time, that we support laffen, on a certain way... "
imo its clear enough...
nobody is forced to do it, but imo we could support esato at least with it...
Posted by kk.226
I guess I didn't read it clear enough, so it would be to fund new servers
Posted by goldenface
@boba
I wouldn't mind donating £5 but whats the difference between donating money and purchasing a couple of ringtones or a game?
Posted by methylated_spirit
Esato used to take donations, a list of donors can be found here But it was stopped a while back - before i even joined, i think. Its a good idea Boba, we do gain a lot from Esato, but to suggest that we're giving nothing in return at the moment is maybe a little overboard! Isn't it the members who make a place? We all contribute, in our own way.
If such a scheme were to be set up, i'd be glad to donate something, yeah
Posted by WelshTom
The very fact that the donation scheme was dropped suggests to me that laffen is making plenty of money to keep esato going. I mean he wouldn't be doing it if it didn't even make enough money to pay for itself.
And the members give this site the very thing that keeps it going - infomation! without the members esato would be nothing. So although i greatly appreciate the fact that laffen provides the place for this information and discussion to take place saying that we give nothing in return is not really true. Basically i think things work quite nicely the way they are.
If laffen was to turn around and say that he is loosing loads of money running esato ro he needs money for a new sever he can't afford or whatever then i obviously would gladly chip in. But i am just not sure that laffen or esato needs or wants any money from it's members at the moment. Although the idea behind this thread is noble in it's intentions.
Tom
Posted by kk.226
That's exactly my point, don't think it was heard though
Posted by jcwhite_uk
It is a good idea. Has Laffen been consulted about this as he might not want or need donations.
Posted by leeboy13
then on that note i agree with both tom and KK... There points are valid and if money is needed i too would be happy to chip in (but not to sound rude), i give to charity on a regular basis and will continue too, i think they may need the money more...
But again as tom also said, it is a nobble idea and very good of you boba!
Nice thought
p.s. in saying that id still give to esato along with charitys but just feel if there is no real need for this then money could maybe be better spent?
Posted by Krubach
A couple of years ago i brought back the "Esato closing" thread where laffen said he would need donations or else the site would close (back in the begining of 2003).
When i revived it, masseur informed that Esato is going well and no donations were needed. And if they were we would be informed.
So, don't worry, i think laffen is going ok with Esato.
[EDIT]
The original RIP Esato thread
[EDIT II]
My own topic about the financial update:
Remember the "RIP Esato" thread. (Situation now?)
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Posted by BobaFett
The question is not, if laffen or esato needs money or not, my thought is more to share on this way the costs, i learned sg important in my life, nothing is for free in it. We always pay on a certain way for everything, the rule of sg for sg is, what imo would be great. If at least some costs could be shared, way more features and up-downloads would be possible.
Posted by Krubach
How the hell will you give him something if he doesn't accept it? (or at least doesn't tell you how to do it...)
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Posted by PeterKay
I think its a good idea, personally i sell alot here at Esato without a penny being charged. If i can help by donating a little money a month or every other month i will definately do so.
If i was to sell as many items on Ebay as i do here, i would've been charged a heck of a lot of money, Esato does not charge us and we are grateful for this but as Boba says we should give as well as take.
Boba, i am behind you on this all the way.
I will donate whatever i can whenever possible.
Thanks
Posted by BobaFett
@krubach for the last time, its not if he asks for it or not, to support sg doesnt mean that without the donation esato goes down.
Posted by Krubach
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@Bobafett for the last time, its not if we should support it or not, to donate things mean that the other side should accept the donation.
Over & Out
Posted by BobaFett
@krubach would u accept a bit support? Just imagine that u are the host, all fine with the site, but then the community offer u to share a bit the costs, cos the site itself is on the same way important for members and the host. Any support should have been judged as appretiaton and respect, instead of "my god, now i own them sg" thought.
Posted by masseur
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that wa a couple of years ago and my comment was based on something that laffen had posted recently befoe that.
but... being 2 years ago anything can change and I have no idea of the current situation.
however, though a noble gesture, I feel this whole scheme is over complicated and if members were to donate it should simply be for any member, not just traders, and via paypal or some other easy method.
I personally think this requires a comment from laffen as to whether this topic is even required
Posted by laffen
Finally finish with the tax return form
I met Boba in Oslo last week and he had some ideas around Esato and wanted to hear my views about them. I told him that the donation period was over and that I did not want or need direct donations any more. I also told him the current cost of running Esato and he wanted to hear views from other members about the trader-donation thing you see in the starting post. As you all know, Boba is an enthusiastic and energetic person
I also feel that regular members DO something valuable here by filling the forum with useful information for the next visitors.
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Posted by Krubach
I told you so...
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Posted by PeterKay
Anyway Laffen, if you need any form of support you can count me in
And Boba, is still think it's a great idea.
Posted by *Jojo*
I've seen Boba trying to revive this old idea of his - donating for/at Esato. It's a nice gesture, but as I have told you back then . . . when it comes to money matters . . . it's just NOT that 'easy' convincing the populace
But I am very certain when the time comes that Laffen will be needing OUR FINANCIAL help, help will surely come his way We are not totally sure here if Laffen is making - so much/enough/in the RED . . . when it comes to Esato's financial gains . . . who knows if the CEO is doling out 'most' of the time (from his own wallet) . . . just to make this site running.
@boba - How does Laffen 'look' nowadays (still thin?) any pics
PM will do . . .
Posted by laffen
@JN
I have gained some weight since I was visiting the Philippines
Posted by *Jojo*
@laffen - That's good to hear Sir ! The last time I saw your pic you are kinda . . . thin, and that was 3 years ago? A rare meet with you should have some images taken and buddy-hug too
, how I wish Boba just did that !
Posted by BobaFett
@jn, @laffen never thought that espcially u two would together 'spam' ;-)@all thx for your attention and posts, i wish to share with u a last thought. I do think, that we are all spoiled here more or less by esato. Lets hope, that one day donations will be needed to manage the site, imo it wont happen. But to avoid that situation, laffen dared here a huge responsibility and made himself the biggest donator. For us and for himself aswell. Pls, think of it every time u login here... Friendly regards, Boba
Posted by Krubach
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Let's NOT!
Better if donations are not needed, it indicates that laffen is going well financially...
Posted by BobaFett
Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. I ment the opposite of course. Thx again for everybody who shared here the thoughts and opinions.
Posted by Krubach
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Ok... i will spare you from the firing squad ... FOR NOW!
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