Posted by amnesia
Well everyone I just want to make it clear that these are indeed Axxxr's thoughts and final words. I was asked to post this because Axxxr thought that I was an ubiased and a person that could try and word his thoughts more coherantly.
So just imagine Axxxr's avatar here
Axxxr felt that his time in esato was indeed an enjoyable one. He met new people, posted some new facts for people to learn, and exchanged his opinion on some subjects (however extreme some considered them to be).
There are some that come to esato for mobile news, some that come for the crowd and some that come specifically for Axxxr's posts.
"its impossible to keep every member happy,you will always find people who disagree/agree with things,various opinions...Its the nature of debate,you cannot make everyone agree,it does'nt mean that debate should'nt be discussed..
In the last year or so i don'nt know if it has been noticed but i have considerably cut down on my political/religious topics,..in fact avoiding religion altogether...Even if you have look through non-mobile now how many political threads can you see?...a couple at the most!..Thats quite reasonable i should think.
If my posts have been standing out now, I at least feel comfortable in knowing that there are more people conscerened with the world as it is today.
I have done so much for this site...put a lot of man hours along with hard work and effort and they won't let me express my opinions freely,but thats their loss.
My arguments, especially with specific members made me KNOW my threads were being read. I wish that some people didn't reply in the way that they did (method of replying, not what they said), but that's a whole other subject.
I am leaving with a heavy heart and dissapointed aswell that i wasn't could'nt be given me room to practice what i want freely,After all i don't ask for very much...99% of what i post is mobile or gadget related so i really don't see the harm if i sometimes want to get away from posting mobile related news as its hard work and i want to discuss something entirely different.
I feel that it would be out of character for me if i stopped posting the way i feel that i should so i've been left no choice but to leave.
I wish all the members on esato the very best of luck with everything.
Axxxr has decided now to leave for good.
Let's see if this thread can be salvaged though and not brutally attacked.
(Although I'd imagine that some people can't restrain themselves from being civil, fair, or simply kind)
Posted by Sir-SonyEricsson-man
I wish Axxxr good luck in his life.. I always enjoyed reading his posts.
Much information in his posts on things i liked to read about 
Posted by SCORPIONKING1982
Thats come as a right suprise that has, it will without doubt be a lesser place without him and I only wish he would stay. Ive enjoyed his input immensly, some of his topics being the most interesting and enjoyable Ive had the pleasure of reading.
The non mobile discussions are I believe what keep people coming back here, I know they are for me.
I dont know exactly whats prompted this decision axxr but I wish you would stay. I wish you all the best and hope to see you back here one day.
Tom
ps just notice that me and axxr joined only ten days apart, I joined Mar 11, 2003 and he joined Mar 21, 2003!
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Posted by Sammy_boy
Axxxr's leaving?
Very sorry to hear that, will miss him a lot on here.
(would post more but am at work atm and shouldn't really be on the pc!)
Posted by EastCoastStar
I personally will miss Axxxr alot. He was one of my favorite people on here. He is one of the reasons I stuck around esato for so long, he has talked me through alot of little stuff, and helped me with things when i needed help.
theres a few on esato like him (you know who you are!), and i will miss him.
and i KNOW a few people are going to be rude in this thread... and i really hope they arnt. if they are its pure disrespect, and they should be banned IMO.
Posted by masseur
Esato certainly won't be the same without all the interesting, informative, and sometimes wacky, news articles in the axxxr style, thats for sure...
but... as I recall, this will be the 3rd occassion of commiserating his departure
so... I won't be too surprised to see his return again
once a member... always a member... thats just the nature of Esato and the effect it seems to have on us
Posted by brownlad007
wheres he going/gone ?
Posted by EastCoastStar
hes most likley going to do widgx all the time, so we can find him there. but i can understand him getting fed up with a few members here.
Posted by whizkidd
Good luck and best wishes for him.
I've always liked his news articles and news grabbing skills. It was me who posted his details on the esato wiki page.
Although i did not agree with him on many of his political views I still respected him for his dedication to esato. Good luck again and all the best for his future.
Posted by jcwhite_uk
I do hope that Axxxr will return. His news reporting is second to none.
I have noticed lately that several people leaving Esato due to politics/ religious threads here.
Posted by Luke-the-magic-man
Shit! Axxxr please dont leave us, even though there is a small minority who do not appreciate your threads there are many more who do enjoy them and to be honnest screw those who dont!
I kinda saw this happening a few days ago when I was on that thread by sammy which was changed from its original purpose, but thought its all in my mind.
I wish you luck with what you do, but would really wish that wou wouldnt go, I know now that I myself wont be on esato as much because allot of them time I came on just to read the news and look at some of your posts.
Shame to see you go matey
good luck
Posted by whizkidd
Folks, i sincerely hope this thread won't go the way the previous one went.
We're a community here and its in our best interest to avoid strong words and opinions.
Posted by pow1990
i will miss him even thought he probably didnt know me
i was inspired by his threads and every single one interested me
o i wish that small minority kept to themselves ruined the forum imo
hope u come back, if not av a gd life best wishes
pow
Posted by haynesycop
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Ditto!
I have to agree with masseur though i think he will be back, well i hope so anyway. I have learnt so much from his posts since i came here.
Best of luck mate, you well be well missed, hope to see you around here again some time in the future.
Posted by leeboy13
omg
gutted to be honest, hes one of the main reasons i come to esato, i love reading his news and other threads... Hes helped with so many debates, for me it will not be the same. I only hope masseur is right in that he will return sometime, people should not be driven away because of opinions or beliefs, everyone has theres and should respect others. pretty much everyone ive come across on esato has been great and i have no compliants.
I hope you reconsider your move as you will be missed by many
All the best bud
lee
P.s. dnt get me wrong, i will still use esato as there is plenty here to keep me happy, just wanted to offfer my thoughts.
Posted by haynesycop
It is so crappy that someone feels they should leave just because somebody doesn't like there opinion, this just sucks! Axxxr don't leave stand up for what you believe don't let somebody drive you away from esato.
You have contributed so much to the developement of this site it is untrue, there are so many people here who respect you and value the effort you put it.
Posted by Sage
uhm, a few points here.
1) This is the internet. Never take anything from anyone on the internet, let alone an internet forum, seriously. It's not real life, you aren't making a living, you aren't getting physically hurt (and if you are getting emotionally hurt, you care WAY too much), and you most likely have a life outside this foum.
2) If you want to leave, fine. But don't make such a big deal about it and try to get attention from every member of esato, don't make it such a large event. If you are serious about leaving, ask masseur to close this post before it gets out of hand. You will be missed, but only for 2 weeks, a month maximum. Remember, this is the internet.
3) I've never really agreed with your methods, but I never attacked you personally on any level (although i do remember i directed a joke your way, but i also remember apologising for that). Some people enjoyed your posts, that was fine. The ones who didnt could have just chosen to avoid them. They had no right to attack you. Even with your political views, although I agreed most of the time, I thought that you lacked tact at times. Incessently bringing up some age old arguements about Bush, the Iraq War, and stating your opinion countless times. Funnily enough, I had no problems with this. Like you said, some agreed, some didnt. But you always stuck to your guns, you always made sure your opinion was heard and that everyone knew your opinion. You never let anyone cause you to back down and give up your beliefs. And NOW you back down? That was a seriously cowardly move.
Axxxr, you have to realise something. The world is corrupt, on levels we can only dream to imagine. People like George Bush are nothing but puppets on a string. There will always be the brainwashed masses, there will always be the sheep.
You say the problem with the world is that these sheep exist. That there are still some sheep that believe in 9/11. I say you are wrong. I say that the problem comes when people like you, who have the oppurtunity to awaken the eyes of the public, who are inspired to see beyond the lies, give up. You've given up, and it's people like you who are the problem.
But, meh, it was your decision, who am I to judge? You will do whatever you want to do regardless of what I post. I still think its a publicity stunt
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Just my 2 cents
Posted by BobaFett
I ll leave esato, cos 90% think, that /// is crap... My god, are we in the kindergarten, or what? Axxxr is a very good friend of mine, i respect many other members here next to him. To find the balance is the right way, instead of not effective solutions... @axxxr pick up your mobile, dont make to go in the uk, cos of a chat, cos it will hurt, trust me! U are the newsdirector, u have a responsibility, u are esato, we are all esato, not the site itself, its just a web site. Esato is alive, cos u and the others here, we all here, made it to live. U are an apart of the body, dont make it a crappy person. Everything can be cleared and managed! Esato.
Posted by scotsboyuk
sit vis vobiscum
alea iacta est ... videbimus ...
Posted by fatreg
Mr Ceasear eh?
anyways good luck Axxxr, im sure we will see you soon
fatreg
Posted by SexPest
he was liek the yoda of Esato - the Leader of a mystical council and now his seat has been removed by the Darth Vadar/Sith type of member
My the force be with him and also his sony ericsson -
Gooood member he was *yoda voice* mmmmm
Je Suis la jambon my friend - Je Suis la jambon - and godbless
Posted by london-uk
Axxxr has undeniably made a great contribution to esato with many good and informative threads on mobile and electronic news etc. In the threads I have read, in which he is discussing mobiles/technology/electronics etc., he seems balanced and helpful. That is the side of him which I find fine, and very welcome.
However, when the matter turns to the political or religious sphere, I find him to be unreasonable, inflammatory, extreemist, illogical and generally disturbing.
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In the Danish Mohammad Cartoon thread, axxr wrote (2006-02-09 06:56, page 25): " Have you also heard that the 12 danish [sic] cartoonists who made the drawings have gone into hiding in fear of their lives...they will be [sic]proberbly [sic] be hiding like cockroaches for long time [sic] to come.
In the same thread, he wrote immediately following the previous post (2006-02-09 07:05, page 25): " Well they had it coming to them....I honestly can't say they don't derserve it....They should have known better not to insult the greatest prophet of Islam and upset millions of muslims around the world."
And he complains that: "...they won't let me express my opinions freely...". The hypocrisy is ludicrous.
Posted by solidsingh
come back axxxr
Posted by amnesia
@london, there is freedome of opinion, and respect. Believe it or not they can walk hand in hand.
Please do not turn this thread into a debate though.
Posted by london-uk
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With respect to your request, I have replied to you via pm.
Posted by amnesia
this is what i'm talking about?
London-Uk had an opinion and he pmed me. Saving all the drama!
Posted by p900 lover
Good luck and hope to see you soon.
Posted by Vein
Damn. What a shame. Nice to see you post.
Good luck in the future.
Vein!
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Posted by mrao
Good luck axxr. Hope to see ye back soon.
Posted by *Jojo*
H m m m m m . . . I thought this was just Axxxr's (2nd) Farewell Threads
Looks like Masseur's been saving all those Sayonara Discussions amongst us ! I think Axxxr is just testing-the-waters here . . . this thread will act just like a gauge/barometer to see how many still LIKES/DISLIKES Esato's Mr. News Editor ! I've been through this but only 'once' (for the record) . . . and came back after some 4 months of hiatus (I just did not LIKE the way I was banned . . . ILLEGAL) ! For all those who've been here from 2001-2003/4 . . . the HABIT will just be too hard to break ! Re-consider your plans of leaving Axxxr, your contributions in the celfone arena news were very highly-appreciated for the longest time now since time immemorial I have nothing 'much' against you matey, just try to lessen or totally eradicate your habit of attacking the present US President . . . I still hope to see ya around my friend !
Posted by QuickShare
Your Threads
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your threads that makes me wisper "what a great forum exist!",
your threads that makes me be part of Esato member,
your threads that makes me bought a K750i
your threads that makes me understand a lot of mobile information and etc,
your threads that makes me updated on the latest mobile news,
your threads that makes me highly respected of you,
sad to hear that you leaving Esato,
but for now the decision is in your hand,
im nobody to keep you stay, and im sure you know nothing about me aswell,
as long as i knew who you are and how big is your contribution to this forum, that was more than enough.
Farewell my mate~ have a great journey out there.
(Sorry for my English)
Posted by *Jojo*
@quick - He'll be back here again, that I assure you pal
As sure as Masseur is still . . . here . . . 'online'
Posted by themarques
You know I tend to stick out of these type of issues and have posted less as the years have gone by. But today this news has kinda peeved me off..Axxxr is really a good guy, I spoken and dealt with him on many occasions and its always been a pleasure.
I have never once found him to be rude or arrogant, and if he felt like airing a view be it religious or not that really that was his choice..we all need a break in life away from the 9-5 hence why we visit this so called forum.
But the problem with some of you is you feel you have the god given right to make or break a person. Let someone be and say what they feel they want to say.
Axxxr look at it this way...these people that have said or feel the way they do..its normally because they what we call cyber stalkers they fascinated by your everymove and live off your every word. Dont give into there game carry on and be proud of who you are. Stay firm and these little weeds will willow away as surely as the sun shall rise tomorrow.
P.s if anyone has a problem with what I have just said above...dont waist your time PMin me as I really cant find the time to discuss stupidity.
Ciao.
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oh really? great.. at least a hope was there:)
Posted by rockygali
leaving? where? how can he leave? doesnt he ever want to access the internet again? i just dont get it? will he be livin in the mountains?
Posted by rockygali
kewl! now thats a one time deal... make it or break it...
no seriously?! why is this thread feels sad? i just dont get the fact that someone is going to leave a forum? prolly he too tired of posting... too lazy to use the internet.... or maybe he just want a break from all these...
Posted by *Jojo*
@rocky - There are some Esatonians who does not like Axxxr's way of posting anti-Bush threads . . . he and Scotsupoys have some head-on discussion during the recent past about this issue . . . some like it . . . some NOT. Axxxr wanted to air his REAL feel towards some sensitive issues but got flamed after awhile . . . though not all. Maybe I guess he was just fed-up with all those things. On the positive side, Axxxr was elevated by Laffen from a regular-member (like us and the rest of the 80K ++ members here) to the News Editor stature, which only he HOLDS ! Almost same to the Moderator post, though he can't calibrate the 3 buttons below and BAN erring members
His achievements can be noticed way back since he joined Esato . . . Laffen just DO NOT 'promote' members here just like that . . that's why I really feel that Axxxr deserves the Esato's News Editor position ! I know that he'll be back soon, just needs a breather I guess
Posted by rockygali
now thats what i call a story...
ok got it! i congratulate Axxxr!!! hope that he wouldnt be bias doin his new job.... well as always! YOU ARE THE MAN!!!!
Posted by shaliron
Really going? For the five and a bit months that I've been here axxxr appears to have been doing nothing but good things for Esato. So what if he made a few controversial posts every now and then, axxxr has a right to make those opinions, whether we agree with it or not.
axxxr's been a really influential and integral part of esato for a long time (how can we replace you!). You're part of esato, and part of the mighty few who hold esato together. It was great fun reading your sometimes quirky mobile news articles.
Don't leave, pretty pretty please with a cherry on top.
Posted by Bambino
Esato will be diffrent without him. please comeback okay! I miss ur post
Posted by REO
My take on this.....
1. A true news editor has the responsibility to be unbiased.
2. Adversity builds character.
To quit is a cowardly act.
3. If you're going to leave, leave with dignity. Don't work the crowd for sympathy.
4. Axxxr I wish you the best.
What ever you do, NEVER quit again.
5. Last but not least. Although I disagreed with his utter disrespect for President Bush, He did have some interesting topics here. His only flaw was to not carry himself as a News
Editor. Other wise I liked him as a person.
Take care Axxxr !
Posted by Debu
I guess I understand Axxxr's standpoint. He probably feels, that if you want him you get the whole package (News + Political Threads).
Anyhow, Good luck dude.
Posted by Pradhika
Axxxr leaving esato? How does a pickle taste without salt?
Posted by JK
This sucks!!
Axxxr left last year for a while and the forum was dead!!
Axxxr this forum needs you and if I were you id stay regardless of what the "others" have to say!!
I hope the others are right and you will be back...
I guess ill have to try and enjoy the SA mobile discussion from now...
Kabir.
Posted by PeterKay
Esato will not be the same without Axxxr.
Gonna miss you bruv wherever you are.
Keep in touch.
Posted by soulframe
Damn! I kind of feel guilty, because I sort of encouraged him to indirectly leave! I told him that he should give up his religous/potitical postings here because it is a waste of time, not to LEAVE!
It's like when Piers Morgan left The Mirror (yes, i know he was sacked and no i'm not comapring esato to The Mirror!)
Posted by twerg
good luck axxxr!
i always enjoyed reading your news reports, love my gadgets so i always to interest in your posts.
hope to see you return.
Posted by Cycovision
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Damn! I kind of feel guilty, because I sort of encouraged him to indirectly leave! I told him that he should give up his religious/political postings here because it is a waste of time, not to LEAVE! |
Don't blame yourself mate, as masseur said this isn't the first time axxxr has left!
I'm sorry, but to me this latest episode in the axxxr saga only goes to confirm his increasingly strange online behaviour of late. He didn't just air his beliefs on Esato, he seemed to become positively obsessed with the Bush administration, 9/11 conspiracies etc. and woe betide anyone who dared to disagree with him. The threads in question were not lively discussions, not even heated debates, they all ended up as out-and-out slanging matches. And slanging matches are not what a forum like Esato is about.
So am I saying it was all axxxr's fault? Of course not. It takes more than one person to create a situation like that and indeed there were plenty of members who were more than happy to rise to the bait. axxxr held (and still does hold) a position of responsibility on Esato, and it always amazed me that such an intelligent, friendly and popular member would behave in such a way.
There's been talk of freedom of speech issues here on Esato. Utter nonsense, almost all of those threads and many more not even vaguely related to mobile devices were, and still are, left open for long periods of time. The issue here is not what you say, it's how you say it or more precisely how you conduct yourself.
axxxr left once before because a few members (who are no longer active) started attacking his regular posting of news items. That was way out of order, and he was quite rightly persuaded to come back to the forum with the title of news editor.
But spitting your dummy out just because the site owner and his moderators decide that they've had enough of political and religious posting, or rather the way such threads turn out, is not what I'd expect from an Esato staff member and as such, I have little sympathy this time.
This makes me sound very 'anti-axxxr', I know. Actually, I've got nothing against him whatsoever, in fact I've had very little to do with him over the years. I would love him to return to Esato, his hard work as news editor was and always will be a real asset to the site. But I certainly won't miss the continuing barrage of conspiracy theories and anti-American propaganda that axxxr had a major part in here on Esato.
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Posted by goldenface
I must say that it will be a sad day if axxxr throws in the towel as his news gathering is very greatly appreciated.
However, like other members I was afraid his fervent anti - Bush / American posturing was in danger of transforming Esato into something that Esato was not about and I am glad there has been a measure of resistance to this.
I believe news editors of / and Esato should have a neutral stance.
Long live axxxr and esato
Posted by methylated_spirit
We'll miss you Axxxr, sorry to see you go mate.
I think cycovision raises some very good points, though. Axxxr says - via amnesia - that he's been creating very few religious/political/any other random contentious issue threads lately, which is simply not true, and it was getting to the stage where it was driving people away.
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