Posted by aquila2
well, on certain sites they claim it was k750i and its clones
but its rather a wish then reality
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The high end Nokia 6230 and Nokia 6230i were Nokia's highest revenue generating phones in 2005. These two products were also the industry's best selling devices in Europe during each month of the year. By the end of 2005, our combined cumulative volumes of the two devices had reached approximately 25 million units.
http://www.nokia.com/P9705
Posted by dahmet501
That dont really come as a surprise tbh, everyone i speak to and see who dont want to spend a massive amount of money on a phone end up getting a 6230. I guess its the size of the phone that also attracts so many ppl
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Posted by marlonski
Doesn't supprise me either. All of the sales force at my place of work get a 6230i.
Posted by amawanqa
Wait till Mario reads this...
Posted by jcwhite_uk
Doesnt really surprise me either. Like the 6310 before it the 6230 is standard issue as a company mobile phone.
Posted by maki101
Why do you think that k750/w800 is (will) selling less, especialy now when price is becoming very correct
Posted by jbm888
Yes it doesnt surprise me either, this phone is very ideal to many of the cellphone users because of the size and specification.
Posted by Vipera ammodytes
No that is not correct eldar said that! Eldar have the best sources all over the world
Posted by shaliron
Doesn't really suprise me either. Even though everybody knows that the K750 is superior, Nokia's brand name is a big seller.
Posted by ares
People, that aquila guy was just banned from mobile-review, even after registering with a bunch of different nicknames
Heīs the guy famous for the fantastic claim "6230i is better than k750i"
Heīs just blind provocative nokia fanboy, and now he came here to do the same
Of course heīll soon get some support from some 3 guys you all know
Posted by korbindallis
6230i may be a good phone overall but its cam sucks speeds slow and small screen if you really want a good phone then k750i is the way to go
Posted by brix25
Yep, it's an average phone for average people who don't dare be different.
Did you guys notice that the source for this info was Nokia.
Posted by aquila2
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I was banned from mobile review because I posted this very evidence and eldar did not like it that his very much beloved SE k750i is not best seller as he claimed
he even erased this thread twice
btw. k750i has only one advantage over 6230i and that is an excepcionaly good camera for a cell phone. but other then then the phone is mediorace.
6230i has got better address book, way better PIM (calendar, notes, wallet etc) and synchronization with MS outlook, has got EDGE built in, usb mass storage ...
Posted by Del
I have to say, my wife has the 6230i and compared to the K750, well,
The UI is way to slow
You have to press to many buttons to get to anything through th UI
The screen is to small
The screen is not as bright or colourful
The sound quality is worse than the K750
The BT is crippled, in so far as you can do much more with the K750 once set up on the pc
On the up side though, you can use your own recorded 3gp movies as screen savers
These are just my own personal views and I am not biased one way or another, niether is my wife, a phone is a phone.
However my wife does keep asking to swap her 6230i for my S700.
Posted by ares
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6230i btw. k750i has only one advantage over 6230i and that is an excepcionaly good camera for a cell phone. but other then then the phone is mediorace. |
Here we go again:
k750 OS is faster and looks better
EDGE donīt mean shit for lots of people LOL
Crappy non-s60 nokias canīt minimize java apps, and have stupid 500kbs limit for java apps...even k700 hasnīt this problems
Both radio and mp3 sound better on k750
k750, like all SE phones, sync perfectly with Outlook
Plus all the things Del mentioned
Ppl, now youīre seeing the true aquilla
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Posted by shaliron
@aquila2
Your secret has been revealed, and now you're probably sitting red-faced on your computer thinking of another excuse for the Blokia 6230's so called superiority. Face the facts, even if the Nokia sold more (which may or may not be true), at least admit that the K750 is the superior phone.
Posted by aquila2
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the UI is just personal opinion and people prefer nokias GUI way more
SE GUI way too cumbersome and the missing green and red keys are a real burden for many people
well, to hell lot people EDGE means a hell lot
mp3 and radio player does not even come close to the nokia's. you cannot even control it over the headset
not even on walkman phones nokia is way way ahead of SE
synchronization on SE phones compared to nokia sucks
calendar and adressbook on SE ? a joke even nokia 3510i has better addressbook and way better calendar 
shalirion: k750i is superior only ONE thing and that is the camera, that I fully acknowledge. otherwise it sucks even compared to other low-end phones
k750i is for kids, not for a serios business
well, even market acknowledges it
SE market share in europe was going down last year SE has got smaller growth then the whole market
SE managed to get from world number one , to number six
quite an increduble performance and benq has not yet published their numbers. so now is number 5, but it is only a matter of time SE will be number 6
besides, everyone has different needs and as it appears, SE fails on delivering a proper product
whereas nokia can do it basicaly nokia achieved with virtualy one product selling over 50% of the overal SE production
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Posted by shaliron
Aquilla I think that you need to read just a few reviews regarding the K750 and 6230(i) and it may look quite clear to you.
Here's three reviews from the same reviewer regarding the 6230, 6230i and the K750:
http://www.mobique.com/nokia/6230i/page1.php
http://www.mobique.com/nokia/6230/page1.php
http://www.mobique.com/sonyericsson/k750i/page1.php
No-one's saying that the 6230 is a bad phone, we're just saying that the K750's better. Happy reading
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Posted by aquila2
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you could not find a more SE biased page or what ?
I guess maybe eldar murtizan from mobile-review-SE-fan-site could also be a good source
Posted by ares
Try mobile-burn...try gsmarena...all SE fan sites???
By the way, no talk about crapp java limit on 6230i??? No minimize function??? (by the way, the new 6280 have the same stupid limitations LOL) Crap bluetooth???
Go suck some soap and let us alone fanboy
Posted by datx
aquila, if u don't like SE fan sites, then i'll just ask u one thing:
WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING ON THIS FORUM?!?!
Posted by shaliron
@datx
Good point
And the reviewer in my mind is pretty comprehesive in my opinion, and is (if you really think so) slightly biased for a good reason too...
I must add that IMHO he isn't a biased reviewer. One look at the review W900 and you'll know why. Rating a K750 five stars is intelligence, not bias.
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Posted by ares
@datx, heīs doing heīs thing: provoque SE users
Posted by Super G
The point of this thread is:
These two products [6230, 6230i] were the industry's best selling devices in Europe during each month of the year.
6230(i) may surpass K750i or vice-versa, it doesnt matter in the statement above. That statement doesnt mention K750i, does it.
Having said this, K750i is nice, but I'm bored of
looks now. All the same.
Posted by Sammy_boy
I imagine that a lot of the 6230x's buyers were corporate, thus really bumping up their sales.
The Ford Focus was the biggest selling car (I think) in the UK, doesn't necessarily mean it's the best car, I bet a lot of buyers for that were companies or car rental companies! It's a personal thing, the 6230x might be the best phone for some people, but the K750i better for others.
I have a 6230 (never had the 'i' version yet, thinking of getting one though) which I've just replaced the screen on, and it's a nice little phone. Great keypad, nice features, surprisingly good VGA camera, though the screen's a bit pokey. I like quite a few of the Nokia models, especially have a soft spot for the series 60 Symbian models, I don't go in for all this rather tedious Nokia bashing.
It might just have the edge on the K700i, but can't hold a candle to the K750i. The 6230i is better, though can't remember, does it have expandable memory?
Posted by DragonEye
hmm.....
nokia 6230 has a better phonebook and better outlook managment i agree. (SE has improved but nokia's is still a bit better)
SE UI is better IMO,
SE screen, camera, video, gaming, music, radio all better IMO.
nokia would be more durable from my experience
SE mutlitasking a lot better.. example gaming, texting, music
Better BT implementation...
the nokia 6270 is more comparable to the k750i.. even with the revised UI is still loses it's appeal to me.. mainly cause it leaves out the little things that i think SE knows people appreciate.
6270 has better screen then the k750i but still loses out IMO the same reason the 6230i does
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Posted by aquila2
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according to the gsmarena 6230i second best phone. k750 is ranked as 8th best phone
what is crap about bluetooth ? is the very same as on SE
java minimizing ? well, it works on nokia too
if someone calls you the application is not terminated
what is really funny, that 3 years old low-end nokia 3510i has better calendar and addressbook compared to k750i
the same goes for wallet, notes etc etc
no usb mass storage, no EDGE, those are crutial functionalities
k750i has got only better camera. that is all. when it comes to real funtionality it is behind competition.
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acording to the gsmarena 6230i second best phone. |
which phone was first one?
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no usb mass storage, no EDGE, those are crutial functionalities |
youīre on drugs are you???
Bluetooth on SE phones does work better than any blokia...tell me aquilla, can you send several files at the same times with the 6230i???
When i say minimize a java app, its doing it intentionately, and letting it run on background
You donīt mention stupid limit of 500kb in java apps...i have 6 or 7 games that have more than 500kb, and this is the trend now, if you want really top games. And apps are going that way also...i have worldfactbook that has 5mb...looks it canīt run on 6230i
Isnīt it strange top non-s60 phone from nokia, 6280, also canīt do any of this, just like 6230i LOL
Calendar is only crippled on k750 for lack of recurrent alarms, but that can be perfectly worked around with outlook and other softwares
Again, i have to mention almost all SE phones have better music sound than 6230i...thats pathetic and you forget it
If you sum all the things, its the other way around...the only true advantage of poor 6230i is the calendar, and even so...lol
But it sold more...so what??? Let us be happy with our more uncommon but way better phone lol
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according to the gsmarena 6230i second best phone. k750 is ranked as 8th best phone |
those rankings are made by peopleīs votes...if you say 6230i sold more, and nokia sell more, its obvious it will get more votes
when i talked about gsmarena, i was refering to the opinion of the reviewers...and in reviews all over the place, k750 is always at top, over poor 6230i, always...because its a fact
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Posted by slattery69
i thought i might add the point that the k750/w800 sales will be calculated separtely as well thus messing with the figures. same phone really just a split in sales.
i would expect the 6230 to be a better seller anyway as its got the might of nokia behind it. that said the k750 is still a good phone i just buy phones on the features i need not on the labels so i dont really care who makes the phone as long as it does what i need it to do.
Posted by aquila2
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qtek 8310, but they have the same percentage.
2 arez: java application sucks in general
nowhere is like using trabant as a car these days when someone wants to have expandibility chooses a smartphone.
music on 6230i and k750i are on par with the same headset. actually, SE sucks here another big time. SE did not manged even on the wannabe "walkman" phones deliver a proper remote control
even with basic nokia headset you can switch on and off the mp3 player or radio. you can swich among radio stations or skip mp3 songs. switch between mp3 and radio player. with the advanced headset you can have the station name (something SE cannot save
) displayed etc etc
regarding gsm arena, this rating table in particular is NOT based on any people votes, but it is a very sofisticated rating algorytmus
btw. it is also a peoples choice
well, market says it too SE looses on market share, whereas nokia gained 50% of the SE production as a market growth
SE k750i is quite good multimedia device but it sucks as a cell phone
btw. the sales of k750/w800/d750 are combined almost 3 times smaller compared to 6230i.
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Posted by DragonEye
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--- is that the best you can come up with? java sucks so it's ok for nokia to suck at delivering a sucky function... wow so credible
music on 6230i and k750i are on par with the same headset. actually, SE sucks here another big time. SE did not manged even on the wannabe "walkman" phones deliver a proper remote control
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----you need to seriously listen carefully the SE's have equalizers that actually work read this is you want to know about performance..
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=839704
the nokia music player is so bad that you can't even create a playlist on the fly... you have to use pc suite.. now that is sad...
what headset are you refering to that has all these functions?
nokia hs-3, hdw-3, and the HS-23 ---all don't do jack either.. at least SE gives you a 3.5 adapter
you're delusional dude... i understand if you prefer nokia.. but the things that you claim are superior clearly aren't
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so now you claim that SE is a good multimedia device and sucks as a cellphone yet your whole post contradicts what you just wrote..
dude face it you have no idea what you're talking about
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Posted by aquila2
the problem with SE k750i fans is that they are just like the phone they worship ... they are also dumb
yes, java application suck. and some sort of "multitasking" is like someone want to use old beetle on a race .. it sucks
nokia has got symbian for it
if anyone asks for expandibility, the smart way is to buy a smartphone (does not matter whether powerd with windows, symbian, linux etc )
I was referring to any given nokia headset. with nokia AD-46 or HS-20 you have got the very same 3,5mm jack
and you still have the superior remote control, something SE still does not have
the problem with "dumb" SE k750i and some of its worshipers is that they don't understand what is a multimedia device and what is a cell phone
but let's make it clear. the multimedia part is quite OK on k750i, the camera is so far the best 2mpix, but the rest sucks a big time
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java on symbian isn't that great.. also the nokia 6680/2 were plagued with memory problems which cause apps to run half-assed and crash.. opera, snes emulator, so it's multitasking in all honesty was quite a bit of a let down for me.. now the 6620 (north american, 6600) was a multi-tasking champ.
HS-20-never seen this one before is it even released?
speaking from a pure phone perspective.. i find that SE's have better talk time and speakerphone funtionality. the only thing they don't have is green and red keys for you people that get confused so easily.
call quality and reception the nokia's are top notch (but only the non-symbian versions.) my 6682 was not that great in rf.. the z520 and w600 easily beat it in the rf department... the k750i however is a weak rf performer
6230(i)(b) all fantastic in the rf department but i found the earpiece too harsh sounding.
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Posted by aquila2
who is going to use java application on symbian ?!?
when there are way way way better symbian application, that java application does not even come close
regarding problems with 6680. well I did not notice any. I have 6680, 6681 and N70 right now and none of them had any problems and I use them quite intesively. from papyrus through snes games (civilization) through c2doom to navigation ... no problem at all ..
HS-20 is released as well as AD-46.
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Posted by DragonEye
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that's such i weak arguement... it's like saying who will use nokia since SE is so much better... lol
also java is more popular then symbian so nokia ignoring it will only shoot themselves in the foot
also if you looks at all the symbian ports to java you would see that symbian games aren't that much better...
vnes is a great example
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Posted by Vipera ammodytes
I think you will banned soon,i hope so!
Posted by victorh017
It really amazes me the limits these nokia-losers-fans can go to.
I mean, taking the time to write ALL what he wrote about that 6230 phone and calling the K750 mediocre?? Please!!!
Do you think I'd spend my precious time posting on nokia threads/pages about the quality/advantages of a
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I don't even know if there are any such pages... and I won't even bother to look for them, because I just don't care... I'm just happy on being part of the esato community and come here to get the latest
news and tips.
Aquilla, if you are so confident about the superiority of the oh-so-popular-it-makes-me-wanna-puke 6230 why do you even bother or WASTE so much of your time taking the time to 1) start this thread and 2) replying to the dozens of comments left by others...
If someone offers you a life: take it!!
Posted by shaliron
@victorh017
Agree with every word.
Posted by dragon76ers
6230 has all the features i wanted plus more.
Posted by chili
@aquila, most of us here like SE. We don't care about surveys, because surveys are based on other users' experiences. We've used SE products ourselves extensively, first-hand. So we'll be our own judge.
A mobile phone is an important tool. If a person has a phone, regardless of the brand, he should already be glad that he has one, because it has become a necessity.
However, I think most SE fans here will agree that SE phones somehow have transcended being just a tool. We cherish them for those little features that only an experienced SE user can understand.
But then again, some Nokia fans may feel the same fondness for their units. It's just as well; a matter of taste, a matter of UI preference. (All modern high-end phones are rich in feature, regardless of manufacturer.)
No need for an argument I think.
Posted by mrao
What a thread!!
Posted by dr_thug
What a thread.
this thread uses the maximum number of smileys i ever seen.Aquila used 20 smileys in a single post!!!
ok aqulia,ur nokia 62.. whatever wins...its the best phone in the world...maybe for the next 50 years.
now please leave us Esatonians,SE and K750i alone.
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Posted by ares
Aquilla, youīre just plain ...because nokia s40 java implementation sucks you say java apps suck...youīre so deshonest???
Have you seen actual java games, have you??? Most of the top ones canīt be played on s40 phones, because of stupid size limit...too bad...
Have you seen Opera mini with file explorer??? Mobyftp??? nav4all??? Qmsn??? etc... You donīt know sh.., youīre just ignorant...
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no java application suck in general
btw. I have saw the application you mentioned, but they are not bad. but it is the same like I mentioned, that someone poor want a race car so he buys an old seat toledo and tune it and thins he has got a race care
the same goes for java on cell phones
Posted by mrao
@aquila, you obviiously have no idea of what youre talking about...and its evident from your baseless arguments....if you are looking for a place to demonstrate your fanaticism for nokia...im sure there are more than enough forums to do that..we aint interested in arguing over some baseless idea that youve thought of.....you must be one attention hungry chap..to go to all this trouble
you remind me of manish
Posted by Kryptik
Gawd, some of you REALLY need to wipe the spittle off your mouths and get a life. They used to burn people in the Middle Ages for having that same crazed look... A phone is a flipping phone is a phone. Nokia, Blokia, SE, Girlie phone, who cares? It does what YOU need, so why pop a vein over what makes somebody else happy?