Posted by soulframe
Tonight at 9pm. Channel 4 in the UK.
Please post your comments here (NOT FLAMES!)
Posted by axxxr
Yes i've been waiting to watch this documentary,should be quite interesting and start an interesting debate!
Posted by soulframe
Yeah, ever since it was announced. I hear they are releasing it in the cinema and on DVD today as well.
P.s. You realise there are going to be a lot of negative comments about this film, the usual 'oh this film is so one sided' or 'Michael Winterbottom has an agenda', you know what I mean. Anyway, please take it easy on the less open minded members. Don't be too harsh with your replys, after all not everyone is able to see the through the cloud lies!
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Posted by axxxr
I did'nt realise their was going to be a cinema and dvd release...means this film is quite significant!
Oh im not bothered about the nagative comments from certain people,all the more the reason to have a healthy debate and try and knock some sense into them!
Most here know that im pretty harsh with my political comments,but thats just me i like to \"cut the cr*p\" so to speak,and give it to them straight.But i will take note of your advice.
Posted by soulframe
Well. What can I say 4 very brave lads survived the horrors of Guantanamo and as they say said, what didn't break them made them stronger. Guantanamo Bay is a carte blanche for the US govt to do what they want to those detainees and unless the whole world stands up and speaks up for those stuck there then their torture will continue. I applaude Michael Winterbottom for having the balls to do a film like this.
A very good docu-film.
Posted by axxxr
Indeed four very brave lads...i applaud their bravery!
The documentry really showed yet again america's TRUE evil side and umasked their fake Freedom and Democracy that they always seem to try enforce onto the rest of the world...I hope this documentry will now make people and our govenment aware and try to close down this concentration camp that is Guantanemo and have all the innocent prisoners freed and sent home to their families.
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So i take it you haven't judged it either way then?
Posted by soulframe
@Gigs
I thought it was a great programme. Did you see it and if so what did you think of it?
This thread will either be a flame war this time tomorrow or locked.
Posted by Gigs
Nah, Channel 4 doesn't see fit to broadcast its signal all the way to New Zealand. Quite rude of them really.
Posted by Luke-the-magic-man
shit forgot to watch it, did anyone record it? lol
Posted by soulframe
No. But you can download it from the channel 4 website. I think it costs about £4.99. Of course there are other ways of obtaining it
http://www.channel4.com/film/[....]tes/G/guantanamo/download.html
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Posted by axxxr
What made me angry is how the U.S govenment falsified the video and photographic evidence against the four....I mean why would they do that?proves yet again that america is run by facists.
Posted by cleanrabbit
Man I was pissed off. I am not sure if there were but I hope those 4 guys sued the shit outta US government. cauz if they didnt they are just plain stupid.
Posted by soulframe
Sue!? You don't really believe they can actually do that do you!? It's the US govt their untouchable. These guys didn't even have lawyers (let alone an actual trial). The fact of the matter is they can and will do what ever they want and there's nothing anyone can do about it.
Posted by axxxr
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Like soulframe said the U.S works above the law....under the pathetic and war against terror laws no one can sue them.
Posted by Dart5
If you take a more balanced view of the story you'd know that a lot of it was crud. For instance in the film the 4 say they went to Afghanistan and then the war started - the documented truth is the war started and then they crossed over - innocents in the wrong place at the wrong time my arse!! Whatever treatment they got it's a lot better than people get when they're in the hand of their friends - no one in Cuba has had their thoat slit.
Posted by joebmc
The camp didn't seem to bad. Nothing compared to the nazi's camps!
Posted by axxxr
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Not to bad?....ask those who had to suffer that place for 2 half years,and ask those who are still locked up in there...This is how Nazi Camps start,its a very thin line.
Posted by slattery69
nazi camps didnt start like that at all there was a very clear agenda from day one to kill jews. despite what people may think of the bay facitlites its not set up to anything that lock people up its not a death camp something which the nazi camps were.
the only reason any jews were kept alive was to kill and bury the other jews so the germans didnt get there own hands dirty.
you can argue the toss over wether these people should be locked up but to liken it to a nazi death camp is just plain ignorant and stupid
Posted by Dart5
I would say the places that the Taleban held anyone they didn't like are more akin to Nazi camps - that's the people that they didn't just shoot on the spot for not having a beard, or watching TV or a women who dared to be outside, or for for having a beer . . . the list is endless.
Posted by axxxr
My opinion is that the U.S administration is not far from what the Nazi's were in their infancy...History has taught us that you don't stay quite about such evil and injustice.
Posted by axxxr
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Don't talk rubbish...your last two comments were utter nonsense,if you dont know about something don't pretend that you know what your talking about.
The Taliban may have been harsh but that is due to strickt Islamic laws which they implemented in that country,..btw watching TV and drinking beer is forbidden in Islam in case you didnt know..Taliban may have gone to some extremes but at least they were honest about who they were and not pretend to be saviours of the world like the U.S...wolf in sheeps clothing.
Posted by Dart5
Alcohol may be explicitly banned by Islam but watching TV isn’t so why don’t you get your facts right. It’s only some extremist who can read anything from any group of words that say TV is wrong. How can you bellyache on about G Bay & the USA so much an then excuse the Taleban their behaviour - your a knob
Posted by leeboy13
LOL, william hill is taking bets on how long this stays unlocked for
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Posted by Dart5
well, it's Friday PM and I'm off home so not bothered !!!
Posted by soulframe
The Taliban represent an extreme version of the Quaran, AFAIK. I think they are just as bad as the US govt. Gauntanamo Bay is basicaly a place where it's more about breaking them mentaly than physically. It may not be torture as in putting your head in a vice but I think that the way they mess with your head, they can get people to say or sign anything. And the way they stop u praying and their utter disrespect for the Quaran, man it makes me so mad, but I know that Allah will deal with them much better than any court can ever do.
Posted by axxxr
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Well let me enlighten you then TV or portrayal of imagery is forbidden in Islam although most don't practice that anymore...Even in Hasidic Jewdism TV is forbidden and many choose not to watch TV even today.
I am not excusing the Taleban i am just saying that they not far from what the U.S preaches...both extremeists in their own right...and refrain from calling me kn*b...that proberbly your standard and class so dont lower yourself more than you already have!
Posted by amnesia
in my opinion, wrong is wrong.
You can't argue, killing a person is not as bad as killing two.
Wrong is wrong.
Posted by cleanrabbit
O they can deffinately sue them. You guys might think that they cant since its US and everything. But if they want they can sue them if they join the ECHR, I doubt it would do anything to the US, but unless Bush comes out in public and says, "We will do whatever the hell we want, and we won't listen to anyone"! They are supposed to listen to the HR courts or even the UN and are answerable to them under Schedule 5 Section 36 of the article. Hell if the British parliament grows some balls even they can support them since those boys were UK citizens and as the law stands as of today, "innocent until proven guilty", they were not supposed to be treated the way they were. But I guess if everyone is freaking scared of the US then nothing can be done.
Posted by joebmc
@Dart5
Don’t insult members here with your immature name calling. Axxxr is simply given his opinion; you have the right to disagree with it but not to insult him with your childish remarks.
I fear this thread will be locked soon which is a shame because these type of threads are always heated and have a lot knowledge to be learned.
Posted by cleanrabbit
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Even under the Terrorist Act, they can't do what they did to them until they were deffinately proven to be terrorists. Specially if the whole world knows how the US was trying to frame them showing them bullshit videos and such, I think those terror laws would not be applicable in this case.
Posted by joebmc
I can’t see them suing successfully. In fact I can’t see them suing at all.
For a start there British and the Brits aren’t into suing as much as the yanks.
And secondly, who could successfully ever sue the US Gov over this issue?
Posted by cleanrabbit
Nothing is impossible my man, there is always a first time. Hell if they came to me with their case I'd freakin take it. Even though that might mean an end to my legal career. But if i was a lawyer with ECHR I would personally go to them and tell them sue the wankers. I know brits aren't into suing and all compared to north-americans. I am a Canadian (even though I am in Scotland for studies) maybe thats why I emphasize on the suing issue. But in my opinion if a wrong has been done to you, you atleast deserve a freakin compensation.
Posted by joebmc
Oh yeah i agree, compensation is due for them. Anyone who's put in prison wrongfully i think is given some form of compensation so these chaps should get something.
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