Posted by masseur
The net is a-buzz this weekend with the imminent announcement on Thursday announcement of the Origami Project
Engadget are apparantly one of the first to break some big news on this and it seems to be pitched somewhere between windows mobile devices and tablet PC's though there is alot of speculation as to what exactly it is.
There is a great video of the product on this d-kitchen website (choose "Enter", "WORK", "BRANDTHEATRE", and "Microsoft Origami" to vewi it)
towards the end of the video is some game play on it too! all in all it looks pretty cool and I look forward to hear more
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Posted by axxxr
Yeh i had noticed this product earlier this week,but i can't say i'm particularly impressed by it...to me this just seems like a scaled down version of a tablet PC...nothing really innovative or new i think.
Posted by axxxr
Sony had the now discontinued VAIO U Series,which did pretty much the same thing and was far better than this.
Posted by masseur
I always liked the tablet concept (touch screen, hand writing etc) but just didn't want something A4 sized so this would fit that gap for me
I always felt that the Vaio U series was over priced and have always chosen standard vaio laptops instead, so lets see what Microsoft have to say when they officially announce the details of this... fingers crossed!
Posted by Luke-the-magic-man
to be honnest, I like the concept, but not the design they use, id prefere something witha slide or flip down keyboard rather then touch screen, then a small joystick or something. I know in one of the pics it has the keyboard, but its not really whar I want.
The vaio I have never even seen before, so can't really comment on it, though looking at it I would definetly like to have a play on one.
I think the main problem with these kind of gadgets is that they are marketing them wrong, when i see it I think o replacemtn for a laptop, but its not it should be an accessory.
One thing I do wish microsoft would make is a protable xbox, as I think with mutiplayer gaming could be very sucsessful with games like halo
Posted by axxxr
According to engagdet microsoft has confirmed that the video is indeed an authentic representation of an \"early prototype\" of Origami, but insists that the images are about a year old. Meanwhile, word is out that the unveiling of Origami scheduled for Thursday will most likely show off the technology.
Posted by masseur
the BBC have picked up on this
Microsoft plans iPod media rival
Microsoft is preparing to unveil a handheld multimedia device designed to take on Apple's iPod and the Sony PSP, according to reports
Called Origami, it is thought to boast a touch screen, wireless web access, and to play music, videos and games
Posted by Debu
Well, Its thursday, I've been combing the net all over, and nothing. D'ya think its gonna be delayed? I hope not.
Posted by masseur
well, I was reading the Sydney morning herald yesterday and it stated
The company declined to disclose details about the device, including when it might be available for sale, but it said there would be announcements over the coming weeks.
so who know
Posted by max_wedge
I wouldn't be surprised if tablet pc really takes off as an alternative platform for many medium-small devices as well as home entertainment centre pc's. Windows XP is actually a very efficient operating system, and when benchtested is faster than all previous versions of windows back to Windows 95.
There is an embedded version of XP (one use of which is XBOX), which takes only a few megabytes of storage when fully installed
Without those thousands of dll's to load, and no pesky explorer shell, XP will run on anything.
Microsoft Origami is probably windows xp embedded. The prototype appears to be: "The Origami prototype was based on the company's Geode SC3200 processor and ran Microsoft's Windows XP Embedded operating system, National said."
http://www.windowsfordevices.com/news/NS9651574577.html
The site claims it's aimed to compete with psp, amongst other potential target's (pda's, mp3 players etc)...
The first question in my mind is, what media does it use?
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Posted by axxxr
Today the project origami site was updated with another meaningless flash animation. At the end it says:find out 3.9.2006.What does that date tell you?Correct, its the CeBit 2006 launch date.
Posted by Debu
@max: Windows XPe doesn't allow applications to be installed after a target deployment, the solution for which is Windows CE.net 5.0, which is crippled in its own way. Hence I hope that article is wrong. If however XPe has been used, I'd be very dissapointed. DualCor cPC anyone?
Posted by max_wedge
hmm, okay that's a good point. I new that a standard xp embeded such as xbox you can't install full "windows xp" applications - but I wouldn't be surprised if the platform could be expanded with a "windows ce" like shell.
Afterall developers design applications (usually games) for Xbox. So if Microsoft provide developer tools then it may be possible to design apps for Microsoft Origami. In fact I'd be surprised if they don't - after all what's a console device without programs or games?
Posted by Debu
@max: The xbox 360 actually has an xbox core engine software running on top of a shell-less XPe kernel. The core engine can read files from the dvd. Its like XPe deployed with notepad can read *.txt files on a cd, inserted on a machine, but you cant really install XP applications after deployment. Very similar to microsofts PMC, which too is based on XPe. Also, the 'windows for devices' article is really old, I hope the specs have changed since.
Posted by max_wedge
just because xbox doesn't have shell doesn't mean origami doesn't. After all it seems to me origami is just that - a shell over an embedded xp. Now what is origami anyway? If it really is a cross between tabletpc/pocketpc, then surely it will have some ability for end user installable applications? (Not apps written for the full version of windows xp, but applications written using developer tools and api's for the origami shell)
Basically at this stage no one knows what origami is exactly, so you can't really say for sure what the shell will be like. Certainly, Origami is likely to be very different to Xbox. The name origami suggests it can be "folded" into many different shapes, ie: that it's a device that has many uses (unlike XBOX which is essentially a games console). XBOX may not have a shell, but origami seems to offer access to mp3's stored locally, among other things. That aspect requires some type of shell (an interface for the user to save, manage and access the mp3's).
Posted by Debu
@max: Please don't misunderstand me dude, I very much agree with most of what you said (except the api bit), all I am trying to say is that XPe would be a big disadvantage to both developers and end users. For multifold reasons which I would be happy to discuss over pm. Mostly my point was that the link you gave is really old, and my heart wishes it is outdated, and the specs have changed. (whishful thinking
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I disagree with the api bit, because, XPe as the name suggests uses the standard MFC (microsoft foundation classes) api. Only problem (as explained before) is, after XPe has been installed, new applications cannot be installed, simply because XPe is an EPDS (end point deployment solution, you can read more about it in the windows for devices forum). Period.
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Engadget exposes that the orgami will use XP Tablet PC edition.
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Posted by max_wedge
okay I stand corrected
I am pleased also that it includes XP tablet edition rather than XPe. My knowledge of XPe is rudimentary, so I can't argue with you over the issue of apis. I'm sure you are quite correct, and I accept your statements completely. But I guess it seemed plausible to me that you could create an XPe edition that comes with an emulator built in that can run applications.
I see what you are saying about XPe api's being locked down after it is installed, but that doesn't mean you can't run applications on an emulator platform that provides a user interface and it's own api's, for after-market software development. The only reason I was wondering if this was the case was because Origami was being pitched at a market that would want to have some kind of expandability (as opposed to a psp for instance which you can only run apps from media - you can't install apps on the psp from what I understand), and if Origami was initially developed on an XPe platform, then they must have accomodated end user installable apps somehow.
I still think there is a small chance this initial XPe origami version may have had that ability, but as engadget have revealed, it now uses XP Tablet edition, and that's a good thing
for developers also.
So I am quite excited about Origami now. It signifies that mobile hardware is becoming powerful enough to compete with fully fledged laptop or desktop pc's (atleast for basic end user functions such as internet, word porcessing, multimedia viewing etc). It also shows how efficient XP is as an OS.
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Posted by masseur
PC World has a bit more on this
but if its anything like this... I'm already half hooked!
Posted by axxxr
It looks pretty good from what i can see there!
Posted by masseur
here is another pic I just found on engadget
which has alot of styling/button positioning similarites with the pics of the model used in the video from last year
Posted by Debu
check out; http://umpc.com , It says something about today.
Edit: There Is a new video here and some more info here.
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Posted by masseur
yeah, I spotted mention of that on msmobiles this morning but there is nothing much on the UMPC page yet
msmobiles do offer these new pics though
which appear to show a slide out keyboard!
Posted by Debu
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Not slide out, its a rotating keyboard.
This device has been on the intel page for about 2 months. Looks damn cool.
Posted by masseur
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wow!
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I never saw that! I am getting more interested by the minute here
Posted by axxxr
I must say that does look really nice!
bring on the official announcement!
Posted by masseur
right. according to cnet
Intel showed off two prototypes of Ultra Mobile PC devices at the Intel Developer Forum in San Francisco on Tuesday. The models are examples of full-featured, low-wattage minitablets that can run a variant of Windows XP, developed as part of Microsoft's Origami Project.
Credit: Ina Fried/CNET News.com
Posted by max_wedge
hoo yeah! Very nice.
Now shrink it to the size of a candybar, put a phone in it, and you have my new phone I've been waiting for. (I so want a Windows XP phone)
Posted by Debu
Engadget got their hands on the samsung made orgami. See it here
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Posted by Debu
The Orgami Project Site has been updated too.
Posted by masseur
Microsoft Origami Project Unplugged
it says that the first wave of products will be built by Samsung, Asus and Chinese manufacturer called Founder and will run Microsoft's Windows XP Tablet PC edition but with Microsoft software called "Touch Pak," designed to make on-screen icons appear larger, and to offer other features that adapt the operating system to the small size of the devices
price sounds good but I think I'll wait for some other reports with more details.
edit: found more
Live at CeBIT: Intel press briefing -- Origami is dead, long live UMPC
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Posted by leeboy13
does look very nice indeed! i want one, was thinking about getting a psp a while back but if i get anything now it will have to be one of these
Superb!
Posted by ns&i
Looks very nice indeed, cant wait to see some specs and pictures of different models!
Posted by max_wedge
I've waited for this day since they first introduced the Windows CE Platform, and I was disappointed it wasn't "real" windows
I got slightly excited about the prospect of installing Windows 95 on a pocketpc (possible believe it or not), but this is just SO much better
Here's some specs:
Intel Celeron 900mhz
40 GB hard drive
7 inch WGA screen
Weighs 779g
Bluetooth
Dual mode - like many media centre pc's it can be run as a pure multimedia unit (without needing to boot windows) or in full Tablet PC mode if wanting windows functions, word etc etc.
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Posted by Debu
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Just found out that, its the Tablet Kiosk V-700 UMPC, the picture that masseur Posted. Uses a via 1Ghz processor, 800x480 display, 1GB RAM and 160 GB (yes, no typo here, 160 GB!!!) Hard Disk. Dunno much else.
Posted by masseur
I've just put a 160gb SATA drive in my vaio laptop and so far haven't seen any other laptop with that much so I'm impressed if this UMPC comes with that as standard
I feel I'm really going to have to look at these devices seriously, I was so tempted to get a tablet pc when I sold my jasjar
Posted by Debu
The first UMPC's start shipping in April, for $899, with 256MB RAM, 40GB HDD and a 1Ghz Via chip.
Preorders are open.
Posted by Debu
Both the Samsung Q1 and the TabletKiosk eoV7110 are available now in the market. Here is a mini review of the TabletKiosk.
Some of you know that I recently purchased the Sony Vaio VGN-U8G (see my thread here), it is a UMPC (but it goesent run Microsofts Oragami software though, However Sony is now offering the touch pack software for an extra $99). Here are some comparison pics between the Samsung Q1 and the Sony U8G, the laptop is the 11.3 inch vaio.
As you can see the The Samsung Q1 is slightly larger (also $600 Cheaper
). Cant wait to get my hands on one.
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