On 2006-02-11 19:20:48, miss uk wrote:
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@ KK ... ok... so let's get back on track, I wonder if any of SE designers outhere are drawing new handsets as we speak 
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lol well if they got the idea from this thread to start designing new handsets, then they too will be spending a moment thinking of post number 2 
anywho... SE should bring out Razr like phones, i think they'll sell, we'll they have at least ONE buyer here God I wish the p990i had Razr like dimensions
Posted by haynesycop
Yeah! P990i + Razr Style = 
Say no more!
Posted by Miss UK
wouldn't it be good if SE launched the same phones they had in Japan over hear I mean the W41S looks good 
Posted by mrMobile
I heard samsung will bring out 3MP and 5MP in 2004 or 2005 but none came out. Who needs 5MP or 7MP cameraphone, it will make your phone big and ugly. I dont know about you guys but I hardly use camera on my phone and many Iknow they prefer to use a real camera. Japan thought to be most advanced in mobile technology but many new phones come out there are 1.3MP because its enough for a phone. Even if you use your phone for take pictures, do you ever print them?. Also another thing high MP cameraphones like 6MP they cant produce many this is why you only see samsung selling it in Korea. When samsung produces 6MP cameraphone they just want to show they can build one, it doesnt really means they want to manufacture them everywhere. I dont see any 3.2MP cameraphone here from samsung only sharp 903 so I dont think will see 6MP here soon. Smartphones like P990 doesnt needs 6MP because this is not its main function, mostly its a business device. If you give a smartphone 3G and 6MP then that device will be too big. Everybody knows why SE has delayed the P990 because operators are more interested in M6OO and they made alot of improvements to P990 like 30fps, graphic card, virus software etc.
[ This Message was edited by: mrMobile on 2006-02-11 18:42 ]
Posted by haynesycop
The phones over there are soooooo good just goes to show how far behind we actually are, there technology is brilliant over there.
Posted by khan
atleast u guys have 3g.am still waiting 4 a good video call network.
Posted by Luke-the-magic-man
im sorry you guys, but I cant sit hear and read you bitchin about SE.
yes they ay have lower specs then say that samsung bick, but SE were the first manufacture to bring us quality good camera phones, they made the 1st ones affordable, they also developed the mp3 phone into what we know it today. The d600 is a great phone alot liek the d500, but lets be fair the k750i kicks their asses with features, the d500 didnt even have expanable memory (i know it was released like 4 months before, but even so i dbout the d600 would have if it wasn't for se's influence.
Yeh I want a p990i to and its taking ages, but there are reasons behind this, se have analysed the market and I guess they have desided they must wait, or maybe they are fixing bugs to make it better, but the phones are out as people have seena nd used working prototypes.
And lastly how the hell can you compare a se to a motorola!!! yeh a morola is thin but the menu systems are piss poorm I achaully bought a v3 when they came out and it toook me 30 min with a possitive attitude to the phone till I hated it. The features on a v3i and v3x are teriable compared to say a w550i, k750i etc, the camera quality is awfull, and the meory is to be laughed at.
shame on you all!!!
Posted by curmurdar
@lukebonathan : You're perfectly right man.
@miss-uk : i see an anti-SE orientation in your posts. Am i wrong ? Why do you try to blame SE that they were the first brand that sell the first affordable 2 MP cameraphone. And immagine yourself talking on that "thing" with 7 MP from samsung. SE K750 is a phone (a beautyfull one IMO) and a digital camera (A good one).
Sorry for my english.
Regards,
Curmurdar
Posted by mcrosser
@miss uk mmmm it's easy to blame SE coz YOU don't make the phones obviously. you might not have any idea how hard it is and how much time it takes, also keep in mind the marketing part. and as I said before, over saturated phones stand out but if the pricing isn't affordable, not many people will buy and that's not good for company, only if they want to show of.
I believe sony ericsson makes great phones even if there are greater out there, they will still be great.
Posted by Miss UK
Morning oh what I didn't mean to start a bitching frenzy over SE, MOTO nor Samsung, all I said was SE seem slow to release phones, I made a point to tell you all this that there are 3.2mp phones out on the market yet however the P990 has been delayed again, when it does make a show up, it will have a rubbish camera and yet other phones will have better ones....
thats what I was saying.. don't flame grill me for saying I don't like the K750i but I don't like the design of it one bit sorry... camera quality is superb yeah but when it comes to elegance the D600 just has the temptation for class all the way, you lot may also say the D600 is a pile of crap, yet I diasgree.. it takes great pics ifyou know how to use it properly..
I bet a born breed photographer would agree to if it was the only phone in emergency he/she had on them at the time
@ Luke. have SE sorted out the Memory card probs yet... by this I mean dya have to buy tweezers just to get the darn tings out? 
my P910 pisses me off for that...
While with my D600 it has a spring you press it down and up the Transflash card comes
Posted by Luke-the-magic-man
lol I find one thing funny with what you say there, the memory cards are not that hard to get out, and I think its also worth mentioning that samsung use a transflash card (i think) which is alot smaller and fiddely when inserting, and se to have the push in and it pops out (atleast on my 5 - 10 p910i's ive had and the 20 + w800i's and k750is) so I don't think we should get into that one...
Now regarding samsung being a pile of shite we all know thats not true, the d500 and d600 phones are very high quality in both design and features, thoguh the d500 was limited with no upgradable memory.
Some phones do take a long time to come out yes, but as I think weve established, this is to make them more affordable, and check theres a gap in the market.
also I believe that the w800i/k750i are very comparable even in your d600 rocks thread the pictures were very good on both phones and it is hard to compare like all camera.
also i think the p990i will have a very similar image quality of that the d600 and k750i/w800i, but one thing to renember, its supposed to be a business phone, not all business users are goign to want a 5 mpx camera on it.
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[ This Message was edited by: lukebonathan on 2006-02-13 02:25 ]
Posted by Miss UK
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On 2006-02-13 03:10:09, lukebonathan wrote:
lol I find one thing funny with what you say there, the memory cards are not that hard to get out, and I think its also worth mentioning that samsung use a transflash card (i think) which is alot smaller and fiddely when inserting, and se to have the push in and it pops out (atleast on my 5 - 10 p910i's ive had and the 20 + w800i's and k750is) so I don't think we should get into that one...
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Are all the other SE phones like the P910i then with the mem card?
btw I cannot get mine out w/o tweezers... the D600 takes Transflash, smaller but the they come out easy you press it down it comes up it'self
Ps why on earth have you had 20+ K750's / W800's? lmao can you sopare me 1
then i could really do the big test on the pair of phones
Posted by Gigs
pssst miss, the P990 hasn't been delayed "again" its only been delayed once
This is what they get for announcing it early, everyone thinking it's constantly pushed back
Posted by *Jojo*
@kerry - That's a BIG leap . . . from 2.0 MP camfones to 7.0 MP
Posted by Miss UK
Im sick of waiting for the new P990i by the time it does come out id of gone of it lol hopefully you ppl will get ur mitts on it soon ! Jn. 3.2mp are out now here, 7mp is out in asia, korea atm shudnt be long before we get there tho..
Posted by kk.226
The p910i Mem card does pop out when you press it in! And yup those lil transflash cards are TINY! Really impressive, here's mine:
All sony ericsson have to do is to release phones earlier... that's all, there are no other real problems apart from that and design in my opinion, and of course i'm entitled to it.
Sure they may delay it as they want to fix bugs etc... But I don't really want to hear about that, as a consumer I just want a phone, and i'm hardly gonna wait, i'm going to go get distracted by another more shiny model than my current SE. And fixing problems shouldn't REALLY be an excuse, all they have to do is start development a lot earlier.
Sure they'll continue to do well, and i'm sure the p990i will be a great (slightly dated) phone or whatever when released, but it won't be for me, i've realised a phone is just that, a phone, no need to be anymore, if anyone reallllly needed the features it has than they'd by a proper pda, or a half decent camera etc.
Any way, i'm not even sure what point i'm trying to make here so i'll leave it there for now as i'm hungry... *Wanders off in search of food*....
Posted by jmcomms
I find it strange how people are saying that when a new phone comes out the existing SE 2.0 megapixel cameras will be rubbish!
In all our tests, the K750 and now the W900 come out on top for colour accuracy, focus and general sharpness and clarity. That even includes the 3.2 megapixel Sharp 903.! When you add the Xenon flash, the photos indoors are just as stunning (in fact, the only thing you lose is a true optical zoom). The worst camera, by a long way, was the Motorola V3x - and I am shocked that a rival magazine recently voted it the top cameraphone (bearing in mind the images are compressed even in HIGH quality mode to about 200KB when a decent 2 megapixel image on any other phone is 400-700KB!).
And, considering the W900 takes photos that print very well on 6x4 inch paper and look good on screen, I fail to understand how it will be rubbish even when other phones arrive with much higher resolution sensors.
Panasonic once told me that the biggest problem with introducing an optical zoom is the fact that people generally take great care of their cameras, but they treat their phones like s**t. Optical zooms don't like being knocked about.
I am impressed with the stuff that I've seen when I've been to South Korea, but I do wonder how reliable a camera with zoom (and a phone thrown in) will work in the long run. Samsung had their 5 megapixel version out a long time ago, so you must wonder why they have chosen not to produce a GSM or UMTS version for Europe.
Certainly not many people have them in Korea at the moment.. so it's probably more a 'proof of concept' like the many Nokia products we keep seeing but never really go on sale.
Posted by Miss UK
@ Kk. lol all this time ive been getting tweezers to pluck my Duo out
and ive just tried it and your bloody rite I feel like a ninny
I have a 256 Transflash, enuff room for a album, cos my D600 has internal room which is pretty good so far ive stuck 12 MP3's on it and theres still more room for more
@ Its like this tho, when you compare a Digital camera say a 3.2MP one with the newer 8MP how slighty different is the quality?
It's also the same with the 2.0MP phones, there good atm but can quality get better? I so would love to see this
Posted by Luke-the-magic-man
@ miss uk, I don't have 20 odd phones all at onece, thats just a rough estimate on how many of them I owned and used before selling tghem on lol, normally I will only have a max of 5 of one kinf of phone at a time.
also i don't meant to be insulting, but do you have fat fingers? Because p910i memory is the same push it in and it pops out, and I myself can do this easily
Posted by JK
I think the 2mp cam is sufficient it does the job well and serves its purpose, its a very good cam and even if there are 3.2mp+ cams available in a years time, the P990 will still be up there with one of the best cams on the market!!
From what ive seen nothing beats the  2mp cam even the 3.2 sharp! the nokia N90......??? we all know it sucks!
So if we predict a 4.0mp cam next year, how much better will it really be against the 2mp cam???
Posted by Miss UK
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On 2006-02-16 09:00:20, lukebonathan wrote:
@ miss uk, I don't have 20 odd phones all at onece, thats just a rough estimate on how many of them I owned and used before selling tghem on lol, normally I will only have a max of 5 of one kinf of phone at a time.
also i don't meant to be insulting, but do you have fat fingers? Because p910i memory is the same push it in and it pops out, and I myself can do this easily
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5 is still alot
mindyou I have 5 thinking about it: C45/S55/6230i im still trying to
get rid of 
I have thin fingers, its just that I never knew the Duo came out if you pressed it on P910i
@ I don't know if we will see 4MP phones, they may come out as 3.2MP then miss a few then become 7MP or 12MP suposedley!
Ps, there are other phones that can rival the SE phones with 2.0MP at the mo.. my D600 for instance, the pics are great, and have been posted as proof vs K750i and W800i just run a search for either picturte threads and see
Posted by ayk
se can't wrap up their p990i act & have gone on & announced 2 more blackberry lookalikes.talk about biting off more than u can chew.the k610i seems like the only saving grace.
Posted by Miss UK
Cheaper option over the P990i supose
Posted by DragonEye
first of all.. the SE camera's are not rubbish there's only 1 gsm phone that does a better job that being the sharp 903.
nothing else comes close to camera quality..
speaking of the 903 it's huge and sucks at everything else.. (it's even bigger then the w900)
the k750/w800 gives you max features in a small form factor
NOBODY ELSE COMES CLOSE NOBODY.
so the truth is SE has no need to make huge tech jumps because they're already ahead.
also megapixels don't mean everything.. don't believe me here' s a 6mp phone
http://www.xcutemobile.com/
Posted by Miss UK
I wana see these sharp 903 pictures to visualise how they are, u say nothing else comes close to the K7/W8? Have u seen how my samsung d600 pics compaired with those 2 cos theres not alot in emm
Posted by DragonEye
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On 2006-02-18 04:11:34, miss uk wrote:
I wana see these sharp 903 pictures to visualise how they are, u say nothing else comes close to the K7/W8? Have u seen how my samsung d600 pics compaired with those 2 cos theres not alot in emm
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i've used and tested them all...i'm not the only one that has stated that.... most reviewers have said the k750 cam is pretty much thee best out there.. and the d600 is poor and doesn't focus well
the d600 cam is pretty bad in comparison to the k750i...
i'll give you a few links hopefully it helps
sharp stuff
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=786808
sony stuff
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=842534
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_d600-review-51.php
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia[....]onyericsson_w800-review-46.php
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Posted by Miss UK
Thanks for the links the pics look good with the sharp
altho I have to disagree when it comes to the K7/W8 pics compared with the D600, It all depends how you take pics with it.. if you run a search for The Samsung D600 photo thread you will see how the pics are !
it takes great pics outdoors see for yourself.
Posted by curmurdar
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On 2006-02-18 16:32:35, miss uk wrote:
Thanks for the links the pics look good with the sharp
altho I have to disagree when it comes to the K7/W8 pics compared with the D600, It all depends how you take pics with it.. if you run a search for The Samsung D600 photo thread you will see how the pics are !
it takes great pics outdoors see for yourself.
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Come on ... the pics from D600 are CR@P compaired to those from K750/W800. You must accept the reality. D600 is a great phone .. but it cannot be even compaired to K750/W800 in pics quality. AF make wonders.
Regards & sorry 4 my english.
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