Posted by max_wedge
I have a theory that the letters used by SE to prefix model numbers (example "w"800, "k"750 etc) are the first letters of descriptive marketing names for each series in Swedish (ericsson's home country).
For example Camera in swedish is Kamera, and the SE's imaging phones start with K. K750, K700 etc. Walkman is a generic (same in swedish and english) eg: W800, W550 etc.
So here are my suggestions for the letter, meaning in english, and swedish:
K=Camera=Kamera (imaging phones)
J=youth=yngling (youth orientated)
M=Mobile=mobil (mobile office)
W=Walkman=(same in Swedish)
P=PDA=(same in Swedish)
T=Talk=Tala (Tala is speak in swedish)
F=Free or joy=fröjd (joy), Fri (free) frivillig (Voluntary)
R=mobile, moveable=rörlig (the start of smaller phones from SE - more portable than previous handsets)
G=GSM=The acronym is the same in swedish.
S=Twist=Sno
Z= obviously Z series are all clamshells. In swedish, Clam = mussla, which can be spelt muzzla to spice it up and make it sound cooler (info from mikekop - in swedish words with s often use Z to make it sound cooler - which we do in english also)
What do you's all think? Am I on to something?
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Posted by rockygali
good job maxie!
its just that... the W series conflicts with S series when we talk of W900..
ei?! S is for swivel or twist... and W for walkman.. W900 seems to be the best of both worlds...
is confusing in this part....
anywho, this one is a good post...
cheers!
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Posted by max_wedge
well, the s series has been dropped for some reason, so perhaps we will see not just the w900, but a k900 as well? With active lense - whoot!!
The twist design may have been incorporated across all series? Or maybe limited to walkman series?
Posted by shaliron
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I think the W550/W600/W900 were just better from a marketing perspective than naming them S550/S600/S900. While they were swivel phones, they were also Walkman phones as well and if they can market them at a higher price by using the walkman branding rather then 'just another swivel phone' ploy.
Posted by max_wedge
Yes so in effect the s series was absorbed into the w series (which still has the candybar w800 and w810 remember).
If we see a K900 in twist format it would be interesting, but it's more likely we'd get a candybar K900 (so far there is no 3g K series to rival the w900)
Posted by (sc)chronos
I think i heard K is also for candybar.
Posted by goldenface
Very good. I thought s = Swivel and P = Palm :-D .
Posted by max_wedge
I thought swivel too at fist, but if it's swedish words then it doesn't fit since the swedish word for swivel doesn't start with an s. The swedish word for Twist does, it's SNO. Also because of K=Kamera is really obvious, I now think they use swedish words not english to choose the prefix.
Posted by goldenface
I think you're cracked the code then max :-D
Posted by max_wedge
it's been bugging me for ages. Especially when they bring out the w series and the K series becomes very obviously the "camera" phone. I'm thinking it has to be either I for Imaging, or C for camera, it just didn't make sense. And the K being phonetically like C as well!
Then I thought of my knowledge of german (limited) and there use of K where english uses C, and that's when I though why not Swedish? So I pulled up an online translator, typed in camera and there if was. Then a tried swivel, that didn't pan out so I tried Twist, and didda boom bidda bang it comes up as an S. The otehrs all seem reasonable obvious too.
Still I may be right off track, knowing marketing they just pulled the letters out of a hat
Posted by Amax
the most you say is correct, we also use the word GSM, but there is one thing i cannot understand. the z-word, in sweden we dont use that any often, i just checked in two of my glossarys and it was not even 50 words in each of them. there simply is not any words on z thats fit!!
Posted by max_wedge
awesome thanks for your input. So Z is odd then. Well, the V800 was a vodafone branded Z800, so perhaps it's Z so the name is different but similar to the branded version?
edit: oops forgot about the Z600. Well it had "style-up" interchangable covers to individualise your phone, does z fit that in swedish?
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Posted by khan
Z could probably mean the last line in technology
Posted by michka
z, in my view, means a clamshell phone. And I agree with what I think.
Posted by max_wedge
yes, top of the line. Although now the zed's a little more low brow compared to w900 etc. I also wondered if it's something to do with the clamshell form factor
Posted by michka
Well, if you look at all z phones, they all are clamshells. And not the most advanced technology.
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Posted by khan
u just hit bullseye.Z is for clamshells.
Posted by sinesi
What 'bout the numerals that follow the alphabet?
Posted by Amax
i can find NO word on z that fit in swedish!!! NONE!! isn't there more people than me from sweden on here that can help with this??? this is starting to really annoy me...
Posted by andybutkaj
alredy discussed here, there are nice theories too
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=85952#post1156312
Posted by Liam
Maybe the Z is more of a pictograph rather than standing for something because if you look at the letter Z it has a hinge in the middle.
I know its not perfect because theres an extra bit at the botto but what do you think.
Posted by TeenInvader
I alway thought that Z is relating to the shape. Although it was not 100% since Z is zigging.
Posted by rockygali
or zipping... like clipping... or clamshell..
Posted by Kimi
Zipping - like Zippo! Yes! That might be the trick!
Posted by max_wedge
yeah, I reckon the Z relates to shape or sound, not an actual word.
@Amax, does the zip sound start with Z in swedish?
Posted by victorh017
Well, maybe the Z was just "adopted" from Sony's previous cell phone clamshell line Z5, ZM25, Z7 etc...
The same as the "J" line. I had the Sony J5 and it was an awesome phone.
Posted by max_wedge
I wondered about the numerals also, but it's almost certainly something to do with how full featured the phones is. The higher the number the more features and the more high end the phone is.
900 Top of the Line
800 High end
700 High end
600 Mid Range
500 Mid Range
300 Low end
200 Low end
100 bottom of the line
The "10" seems to indicate an extra over the original, for example S710, W810 are edge phones, but otherwise similar to the S700 and W800. K610 has memory exapansion, otherwise similar to K600. P910 was a P900 with some major improvements.
The "30" seems to indicate a phone that is identical to it's predecessor but with different styling, example the T610/T630
The "50" seems to indicate the phone is the highest end phone in it's class, for example the K750 is the best imaging phone available, the W950 is the best walkman phone available. Don't know how the 90 of the P990 fit into that though.
Posted by victorh017
So what about the "20" in the Z520??
Posted by max_wedge
"20" seems to be like 30.
Posted by walker33
Very interesting topic!
Posted by Amax
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i am pretty good at english (atleast in my own opinion) but i dont get that. What's a "zip sound"?? can someone explain it little better to me??
Posted by JK
Ahhh!! And I tawt K was for KBR!!
Posted by max_wedge
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Well of course. Upon that reasoning the M must be for Max and the W for Wedge
Amax, the zip sound is the sound made by a zipper, I don't know the swedish word, but the thing that you close your jacket with.
Posted by JK
The K600 has a crappy cam? Why would it have the K name unless it was for kandybar?
Posted by jmcomms
The S-series hasn't been scrapped, but the S600 was changed to the W550i when they added the WALKMAN to it. The W900 also emerged from an ordinary phone that would have probably been an S-series if that hadn't been given a makeover last minute.
Posted by max_wedge
The K600 has a 1.3 MP cam which was the biggest camera apart from the S700 available in it's day. It came out just after the K700, which only has a vga camera. So if a K700 can be a Kamera phone so can a K600.
However if you are right (and candybar in swedish starts with a k - I don't see why they would use a K if they are not using swedish names), then maybe the prefix's are the phone's form factor in swedish?
w=walkman
p=pda
k=kandybar (swedish for candybar?)
s=sno (swedish for twist)
z=clamshell (due to the shape of the letter Z)
However if it's form factor that determines the prefix, then J, T, F, would be K series phones. I really think the K is related to imaging somehow.
Posted by Amax
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that isn't really correct, there is no "kandybar"-word, the swedish word for candybar is.... man i dont know!!
maybe it's kloss, tegelsten, klump, but i doupt it. Its more likely the k stands for kamera (camera in english) and for the clamshell.... i dont know.
Posted by TeenInvader
T600 VS T610 ???
How different were these phones.
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Posted by Amax
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if you compare them http://www.esato.com/phones/index.php/phone=42,cp=74 you will see that the t610 is superior in everything. Basically the t600 only feature has wap, and the t610 has everything, cam, bluetooth, color screen and much more. but then you also have the t630 which kicks the shit out of both of them together
Posted by max_wedge
actually, the T630 is no different to the T610. It has exactly the same specs. The T630 has a more modern look, but that's all.
Posted by Amax
really?? i thought i had read somewhere that t630 had a better java-engine... and doesn't it has more colors on the screen?? but the design rules everything, t630 really looks like a business phone.
Posted by jmcomms
The T630 had a better screen (no more colours, but the original was passive and this was TFT or similar). Certainly a lot clearer, but otherwise identical.
Oh, tell a lie, I believe the T630 had some 'XL' picture mode that upscaled images to pretend it had a better camera. 1) It didn't work. 2) It made the files massive and the phone took ages to load them.
Thank god SE haven't bothered doing this on the latest phones.. 2 megapixel with XL mode 'simulating' a 12 megapixel camera. Oh, and 100 times digital zoom thrown in for good measure.
Posted by Amax
one time i saw a digicam with a 3 mp censor but it could scale them to 12 mp
what a waste....
Posted by mikekop
I have an idea regarding the "Z" prefix:
Clam in swedish is "mussla", often when we want to spice a word up to make it look cooler we use a "z" instead of "s", this theory gives "muZZla". Any logic to it anyone?
As for Candybar, this word don´t fit swedish at all, if the origin of it is candybar such as a pice of chocolate candy(Snickers, Mars and so on). In this case, "Candybar" is "Chokladbit".
In the end, I think that there is no meaning of the prefixes of the SE phones, although it ´s a boring thought...
Posted by max_wedge
actually mate, you might be on to something with mussla, it fit's perfectly.
I'm gonna edit my original post for clamshell
Posted by Amax
hi max, i have found two things about your first post
Frivig= is not a word at all, shouldn't it be frivillig(voluntary)
and for the second time, gsm is the same on swedish, you can take away the "The acronym is... i think"
Posted by max_wedge
Amax, sorry about my ignorance of swedish. I heard you the first time re gsm, I just haven't got around to editing that in my original post
I got frivig from an online translator, but I trust a native speaker such as yourself more than an online translator, so I will change it to frivillig
Posted by Amax
Great
Posted by goldenface
Bumpety bump.
Just to let you know there has been an official update to the Sony Ericsson wikipedia article, which also explains the model prefixes:
- D series - Low-mid range mobile phones. T-Mobile network operator exclusive. ("Deutsche Telekom") (D750)
- F series - Low-mid range mobile phones. Vodafone and Vodafone partner network operator exclusive. (F500)
- J series - Low end candybar mobile phones. Do not feature cameras. ("Junior") (J100-J300)
- K series - Low to high end candybar mobile phones. Feature cameras with dual front design. Certain models are branded under the CyberShot name. ("Kamera" Swedish) (K200-K810)
- M series - Mid range Symbian OS smartphones. ("Messaging") (M600)
- P series - High end Symbian OS smartphones. ("PDA") (P800-P990, P1)
- S series - High-mid end swivel and slider mobile phones. ("Swivel"/"Slider") (S500-S700/S710)
- T series - Low to high-mid end candybar type mobile phones and a carryover from the former Ericsson line of mobile phones (Fashion). (T68-T650)
- V series - Mid to high end mobile phones. Vodafone and Vodafone partner network operator exclusive. ("Vodafone") (V600-V800)
- W series - Low to high end mobile phones branded under the Walkman name. ("Walkman") (W200-W950)
- Z series - Low to high-mid end clamshell mobile phones (Fashion). ("Ze Bobber" Swedish)(Z200-Z800, Z1010)
@max_wedge
Finally, an official account.
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Posted by tranced
wow, now this is really understandable for everyone. must be a sticky with these definitions!