Posted by axxxr
Finally,it has started. People have begun to speak of impeaching President George W. Bush not in hushed whispers but openly,in newspapers, on the Internet, in ordinary conversations and even in Congress.A former member of Congress who sat on the House Judiciary Committee during the impeachment proceedings against President Richard Nixon,said they are right to do so.
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Here are just some of the Anti-Bush Voices on the Internet not just mine:
http://www.bushwatch.com
http://www.votetoimpeach.org
http://www.topplebush.com
http://www.billionairesforbush.com
http://www.moveon.org
http://www.bushorchimp.com
http://www.awolbush.com
http://www.bikesagainstbush.com
http://www.boycottbush.net
http://www.bushspeaks.com
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Posted by BobaFett
@axxxr wish we would be interviewd aswell... I want clinton back!
Posted by axxxr
Yes i would prefer clinton back aswell...
Posted by ADT0079
wow no real news company over here has broken the news about this.so we have 2 people here that dont live here talking about who should be running the country.stick to your own affairs as you really have no say as to who should be president.freedom of speech so speak away just giving my two cents
Posted by Leks
Bush is a joke
Posted by Luke-the-magic-man
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you seem to share the american dream, but what you just said is exactly what america has been doing to other countries, so i dont think you or any other american who supports some of the ideologies that bush has should be allowed to run or dictate what a person, or country can or cannot do
Posted by ADT0079
yes thats the point we all know bush is a joke but how many post does it take for some to realize we already know this. your beating a dead horse.there will be no impeachment so we all have a few more years unless axxr takes matters into his own hands and snipers bush then look at the hero you would be.
Posted by joebmc
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Hero? Thats called murder
Posted by axxxr
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You may have not been reading the newspapers or reading internet chat rooms about how Sick people have become of Bush...does'nt mean to say nothing is going on..quietly even in your congress members are getting fed up with bush's lies and and the situation in Iraq..Bush alone is destroying the whole image of America,it was'nt very good to begin with but he alone has made it much worse in the world...We have every right to talk against him,he's policys are affecting everyone in the world..our soildiers are dieing in Iraq because of your pathetic president...We have suffered Terrorist attacks because of your Presidents policys..so don't tell us to stick to our affairs..
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Well im glad you agree that Bush is a joke...Its not a matter of how many posts,its about useing our voices against him...and makeing our oipinions felt,if you don't like my posts all you have to do is to skip them..How do you know that their will be no impeachment?..Maybe not but we can certainly hope and try and push for it...can't we?
I wish i could snipe bush,,but i would'nt get my hands dirty over a low dirtbag like him,...see thats the difference between me and him,,he kills i don't.
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Posted by *Jojo*
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You want a 'womanizing' president who is having SEX in the 'oral office' . . . back:???: We had one here before, only lasted for 2 years (should be 6 years), he was 'impeached' . . . Since 'cloning' is already in the works, I would choose WASHINGTON or LINCOLN to be re-instated !
Posted by axxxr
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Yes having sex in the oral office as you say is still better than going to murder thousands of people in a foreign country don't you think??
Good on clinton for shagging that Monica girl...shows how down to earth and normal he is..
Posted by *Jojo*
H m m m . . . if so, maybe we can put back Lyndon Johnson too
to solve the JFK mystery . . . once and for all !
Posted by Luke-the-magic-man
@ axxar if you killed bush most people would call you a hero
the reason 240932823y8 - whatever your name is the reason tou dont hear about it is because the media makes america and its leader look good its called mediation - i am a media student so i know about this
also I say yeh clinton was good, and who cares if he had sex (any kind)with monica lewinski - she was pretty hot and lets be honnest if you were him i bet you would have done the same
Posted by *Jojo*
@luke - NOPE! If I were Clinton then . . . I would rather had SEX with Heather Graham or Lindsay Lohan . . . . in PRIVATE !!!! Though I would ask FIRST permission from Hillary so she would not be surprised if a paparazzi would have some photos of me with the girls - together
Posted by scotsboyuk
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Is this anything new? No. People have been criticising Bush and saying how he would be bad for America ever since he first became President. Most people, including his supporters, know that there are people who are fed up with him, it really isn't anything new. I am quite sure that thoughts of impeachment have also be bandied around before now too, but like ADT I would have doubts over whether or not that will actually happen. To impeach Bush there would need to be some concrete evidence of wrongdoing that couldn't easily be buried or have attention diverted away from it. Merely considering Bush to be a bad president isn't enough.
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No he's not. Bush is a figurehead of a movement, Bush himself is actually relatively moderate when compared to some of the people who are on the far right of American politics. Bush of course is right-wing and has policies, which many in America and around the world disagree with, but to single him out as being the absolute cause of dissatisfaction in America and around the world is a gross over simplification of the matter. There are many people besides Bush who push for policies and legislation that can be said to give America a bad name.
Of course all this is subjective of course because there are people who who consider Bush to be a good president. As much as you are entitled to view him as being a bad president they are equally entitled to view him as a good president. Equally they are entitled to see their other elected officials as being either good or bad for the country and they have the opportunity to vote them in or out of office.
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Again no he hasn't. America was actually held in extremely high regard around the world following WWII and its cultural impact rose accordingly. There has been a noticeable decline in America's world standing with regards to some countries since then, but America's standing has also risen in other parts of the world. Western Europe, for example, has become more critical of America and vice versa whilst America has been viewed in a better light in Eastern Europe since the fall of communism.
America's standing the Middle East was falling long before Bush came to power with such incidents as the overthrow of the Shah of Iran and the conflict in Lebanon in the 80s.
A country can be expected to look out for its best interests and the best interests of its people. It would be wonderful if nations and governments were 100% altruistic, but the reality of the situation is they are not.
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Our soldiers are dying because of our Prime Minister's policy. Britain did not have to go to war in Iraq alongside America, but our government choose to do so. Simiarly terrorist attacks against Britain are as much a consequence of our own opposition to Al Qaeda as they are our support of American policies. Indonesia suffered an attack on Bali and Indonesia hasn't committed troops to Iraq like Britain nor has it been as closely affiliated with America as Britain. The attack on the British consulate and HSBC in Turkey was in a country which hasn't committed troops to US led conflicts in the War On Terror nor has it been as vocal a supporter of America as Britain. The terrorist attack on the wedding in Jordan demonstrates that these terrorists are quite willing to target fellow Muslims in Muslim countries.
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Making one's voice heard is one thing, polemicising is another. Why should people skip your posts? Saying that people shouldn't reply to your points, but rather skip over them seems somewat hypcritical when you say that you are entitled to voice your opinion. If someone disagrees with you they are entitled to voice their views.
Posted by *Jojo*
I like it when Scot's reply this LOOONG ! As if I am reading the day's tabloids, first hand !
Posted by EastCoastStar
@axxxr i havent heard of this over here yet. Do you think it will be on the news and all??
and...
you all were tlaking abotu clinton and monika... i think that is HIS OWN PERSONAL business... it happens to THOUSANDS of people everyday... its nothing we should hear about. its his life. he deserves a PERSONAL life like the rest of us also.
Posted by *Jojo*
@ecs - Yup ! It's Clinton's personal LIFE but HE was CAUGHT that's what is WRONG with it matey . . . . He lied too
Posted by SsTiTcH
Interesting... Though only time will tell if they Impeach the bastard. As to why it hasnt made news in America yet .. No surprise with how the media there is too busy putting out propaganda to the people. Hope they not only Impeach Bush but put him on trial for his crimes. But doubt that will ever happen...
Posted by Dj Boyi
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NO! He broke his marriage vows,thats whats WRONG with it,and as a leader of a country,he should be setting an EXAMPLE!
Posted by Bambino
@scotboyuk
great! u smell like scotboyus
Posted by *Jojo*
@boyi - I agree ! Only peeps who would CONCUR with this kind of situation is a - WOMANIZER too
Posted by axxxr
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He may have broke his marriage vows but "NORMAL" people cheat every single day...its human nature,it don't make clinton a bad person..Your right in that presidents have more of a duty to set an example but making mistakes is part of who we are....I would rather have president that cheats on his wife than a president who invades another countrys and kills 100,000's don't you think?
Posted by *Jojo*
@axxxr - Maybe President Bush has his OWN private cemeteries - worldwide
Posted by axxxr
Yeh lets hope he gets buried in one of them soon!
Posted by Dj Boyi
@axxxr,i was talking about Clinton,not Bush,u fookin idiot! why u twist things around i never know
Edit,btw,Bush aint YOUR president is he.
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Posted by axxxr
Now Now little lad theirs no need to be abusive...sums your intelligence up does'nt it.
If you want to get personal then PM me why don't you and we can sort it out on a one to one basis.
Posted by axxxr
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Yeh most likely...when i hope,wish and pray that they do impeach him thats the only time will ever know for sure...americans dont exactly have a track record of telling the truth,cover ups is their forte.
I hope when they do...the give him the electric chair..or even better send him to guantanemo.
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Posted by Luke-the-magic-man
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o dont make this personal axxxr is entitled to his opinion (and in my opinion axxxr is a legend, you look at his posts and you must ask how many people would put the time and effort into finding comic and interesting news which most of us really appreciate) and if your guna tell him its wrong maybe you should go to iraque or how ever the f**k you speel it and see if they come to give you a nice big fuzzy hug, or prehaps they will hold you hostage!who knows, but bush is a idiot and should not be running one of the worlds largest super powers. Clinton also was much more interesting a person and was more human, sure he had a funny accent and slept with far to many of the women in the whitehouse, but hes a bloke what do you expect? where as bush is a ape and there is lots of photographic evidence to support this...
sorry for the rant, bad language and crap speeling but its 3am and ive had far to much to drinkkkkkk and am dislexic lolllll
Posted by stevemiddie
hey Axxxr? Just curious? What are your views on Saddam Hussain ?
Posted by Dj Boyi
Im 37 u little idiot,and thanks for jackin my thread,then getting it locked,and u JN.
Maybe u two should pm each other instead of using my thread to talk about ur babes in bikini's.
Btw,its the crap u post i got a problem with axxxr,ur obsessed wiv ur shit,try gettin a hobby instead of being here all the time slagging off the Americans and their goverments.
No wonder all the old skool members dont post anymore,its prolly ur fault,just that i like to air my views about it.Ur ruining this site,u may see that one day,once u get ur head out of ur big fat asS!
Goodnight
Posted by *Jojo*
Yeah, FINISH this OFF mates thru/via PM or your email addys! Good Luck!
Posted by scotsboyuk
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THAT'S the best you come up with? I made my last post in this thread at 20:30 and you posted at 01:32, you've had over five hours to come up with a remark and THAT was the best you could do? I realise that not everyone is great at insults, but come on! You could have called me a pompous gasbag or a prig and those are two off the top of my head. If you were really fumbling you might have at least thrown in a swear word, anything would have been preferable to that piece of sycophantic tosh.
If you are unwilling or incapable of debating the issues and have to resort to insulting those you disagree with then please at least try and do it with a bit of style. I remember when one used to be able to get a good insult on Esato, something that got you interested in replying.
Posted by Dj Boyi
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And u sound just like my wife!
Posted by axxxr
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If going to make personal comments then you can expect me to jack your thread....Ive warned you before not to get personal with me,say what you like about my opinions but you have no right to get personal,if you want to make something out of this then PM me we can talk..And as if you did'nt realise esato is my hobby and will remain my hobby...i spend a lot of time and effort working on mobile phone news...the least i deserve to to relax is to post what i want in the non-mobile free area..How is it my fault that old school members have left?...All i've done is positively contribute towards esato,just because i make a few political statements from time to time it don't mean old members have started to leave...im a old member myself in case you had'nt realised..I miss the older members aswell,but non of them have complained to me about what i post apart from a few moaners like you...No single member has ever said to me publicaly or privately that they dislike what i do..the day they do trust me i will leave myself....I am only here because members wish me to be here.
The only thing you can do is use bad language against me...i suggest you try something else now.
Posted by max_wedge
scotsboyuk, I think part of the reason Indonesian extremists bombed bali was more to do with their perception that Australia meddled in their affairs by liberating east timor from militia who were breaking Indonesian law (murdering looting etc) but against which the Indonesian government would take no action.
It was most definitely Australians who were targeted in the bali bombings. In fairness to the terrorists (though not to condone their action at all) there is an element of meddling, in that Australia, while supporting the right of East Timor to self-determination, also secured access to the East Timorese oil fields over Indonesia (another war over oil)
While they had links to al qaeda, the bombing of Bali was not done by external terrorists, but internal mulsim extremists.
However in fairness to Australia, there was widespread death and destruction, abuse and robbery of the East Timorese people that went unchecked by Indonesian and Australian authorities for way too long. Something had to be done, since the East Timorese didn't have the resources to protect themselves.
Here's an interesting wikipedia article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/[....]'s_alleged_East_Timor_cover_up
Maybe John Howard should be impeached
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Posted by axxxr
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Hi and welcome to esato..
Saddam what can say...Im not a huge fan of his,.he maybe a bad person but the u.s had no right to go into his country the way they did..he just got caught in a trap and is now paying the price for it...but saddam is a whole seperate debate.
Posted by *Jojo*
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@boyi - . . . and I will be 37 too this year mate ! I am just making an alternative thread to lessen this 'hulabaloos' here at the forums that's why I thought of that Bikini Babes Thread ! Any other good ideas pal
Sorry about that Boyi boy . . .
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Posted by max_wedge
Hey guys - RELAX
Axxxr may sometimes post highly volatile opinions, but from what I can see it is other people who attack him personally, whereas Axxxr is just attacking a point of view, not the person.
When someone criticises your point of view it is not a personal attack, and doesn't warrant personal attacks in return. By all means, question or even attack (with logic) someone's view point, make you arguments, rant and rave, but PLEASE don't get personal, even if someone else start's it.
Just let it slide off your back like water off a duck.
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Posted by Dj Boyi
Well if axxxr didnt call me a 'little lad', i wouldnt ave called him a 'little idiot',therefore,axxxr started the personal shit,not me! Get yer facts right next time.
Posted by axxxr
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Thanks for your kind words and support mate....I know exactly how you feel mate,ive just come back from the pub aswell..I don't know how im able to still write?
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Thanks max_wedge....A voice of reason finally.
Posted by axxxr
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No actually you get your facts right...if your going to lie then you need to back it up properly...I can't believe you can sink this low to make me look bad,very dissapointing.
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Posted by scotsboyuk
@max_wedge
Those are valid points, however, I believe my point still stands. Those terrorists obviously didn't care whether or not they were carrying out their attack in Indonesia or Australia. If they wanted to attack Australians then why not stage an attack in Australia itself? The answer is likely because that would have been more difficult.
Indonesians were thus put in harm's way because those terrorists decided to carry out their attack in Indonesia even though their primary target was Australians.
It is simila to the bombings in Turkey, which were directed against British interests. Turkish people were put in harm's way, the terrorists presumably didn't mind the possibility of Turkish casualties.
The bombing in Jordan can be seen in a similar light. Ostensibly targeting Western intelligence agents the bombing was bound to cause damage to the hotel as a whole and quite possibly hurt or kill those inside, including Jordananians. The group responsible obviously ralised that such an atatck did them harm in the Muslim world and issued an apology I believe.
What we see then is that terrorist attacks can occur in just about any country if the terrorists consider there to be a viable target there.
Posted by *Jojo*
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@boyi - I SEE nothing wrong calling YOU a Little LAD
Calling someone else a - LITTLE IDIOT is something else mate . . .
Try to be more selective in the words you say, will you . . . please.
As just what you TOLD me (pm) . . . 'BETTER use your HEAD' when you want a head-on in the forums.
Cheers!
Posted by Dj Boyi
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Like i said,im 37,not a little lad,and i can call u much worse than an idiot if u want.
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And posting peoples pictures without their consent is really grown up of you?
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Posted by max_wedge
@scots, Oh yeah, I wasn't arguing infact - just thought that I'd add that little perpective to the Australian angle
I just felt that the attacks in Indonesia were as much to do with regional concerns as they were about the global politics behind the attacks against the US and Britain. However I agree that our sending of troops to Afghanistan/Iraq certainly wouldn't have curried any favours in the minds of the muslim extremists in Indonesia.
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Posted by axxxr
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Me calling you a little lad does'nt justify you calling me a f** Id**t ...thats acting like a 15 year old if your really 37...and besides stop lieing because your making yourself look like a fool...You started by being abuse i called a little lad afterwards...I think your level is abuse thats all you can do...what is it with you anyway?.
Posted by Dj Boyi
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Since when did i use the F word? You better go back and do some reading son.
Posted by axxxr
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Maybe you can't read then?
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Posted by Dj Boyi
Ok,if u think thats a swear word,u must be as soft as they come,or some sort of pussy,get a grip with 2days language will yer.
Ps,i'll leave u to play in ur political playground,some of us have beds to go to... goodnight.