Posted by axxxr
Whats going down under with 1000's of drunken yobs attacking Arabs?.I know it all started with a couple of apparantly Arab guys attacked lifeguards on Sydney beach...but that no excuse to go on the rampage againts every one who looks like an arab,im not taking any sides here but the arab immigrants are the minority race.I'm quite dissapointed with this news because i used to think australians were a quiet peace loving country who were tolerant of other races.
Posted by Kryptik
It's shocking. And all this achieves is that it adds fuel to the fire started by the conspiracy theorists that our brethren from the Middle East are attempting to take over the world... Shades of Pinky and the Brain, i think...
Posted by axxxr
Yes exactly,i think this sudden anti-arab anger aussie style is another by product of Mr bush's agenda...What angered and dissapointed me the most is that decent looking aussie folk chanting anti-arab and anti-muslim slogans to minority people who's only crime is to be dark skinned and muslim..whats disturbing is fair enough even if some of the arabs did commit the crimes which started the whole thing,why start the whole crusade against the arab/muslim populous?...Would any of this happened if the guys who attacked the lifeguards were average white aussie's...doubtfull....Its a such a shame that such extreme racism is rife and prevolant in the 21st century.
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Posted by eskay
I agree with you my friend they really went over board this time , and i absoluty think its wrong. This could only incite other violent behavior pattern in other parts of the world. Peace on earth now !
Posted by masseur
I'm not convinced this is racist based as Aussies, in general, are a multi cultural society and we enjoy the diversity afforded by other cultures.
Indeed I see this as no different than, say, Uk football hooliganism in that it appears to be totally opportunistic by the descriptions being given of people from other suburbs, and indeed states, simply coming along to partake in violence
I really feel that sensationalising this as a racist, or even as a Bush topic is making a bigger deal of this than is reality as I guarantee than 99% of Aussies will deplore the actions of the minority in this case
Posted by axxxr
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Is this not a racist issue,on which the topic is based?..The Bush factor has to come into it,with war in Iraq and Terrorism and a general anti-muslim attutude around the which flames situations such as this..Im not denying the most aussie's are peace loving and tolerant.
Posted by gelfen
there is no doubt the racial element is being used as a sensationalist excuse, rather than the more mundane reality of drunken thugs looking for trouble. however, the actions of some lebanese gangs over the last few years (race-based verbal and physical attacks on "whites", assaulting a police station with semi-automatic weapons, a series of gang-rapes a few years ago, and now the bashed lifeguard) has no doubt been a major factor. on the morning of the riots i believe there was a peaceful rally by cronulla residents campaigining for "peace in our suburb" because the gang culture has taken such a hold.
EDIT: to try laying this at Bush's feet is a VERY long bow to draw. as i said, this has been a long time coming and is in a number of ways a result of factors unique to Sydney. not every race-issue can be linked to the US.
EDIT 2: the lifeguard was bashed, not murdered.
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Posted by masseur
yes, of course there has to be some racism involved in some part, though unfortunately you will find that that the majority of racism in australia is aboriginal based.
Bringing Bush into this has almost nothing to do with the topic IMHO
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Posted by axxxr
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I think as gelfen mentioned a lot of is gang based and this has been brewing for long while now with proberbly both sides to blame,i did'nt really know the root of the issue until gelfen kindly highlighted it here.I know went with what i saw on Sky News,.im such a sucker believing the media again...theirs always another side to the story.
Mate you know bush is responsible for all the troubles on the planet,can you please just for once go with me on this one and blame him aswell...I so want to see you anti-bush!
Posted by methylated_spirit
Its djcreamz, think about it. The day he moves to oz, and all hell breaks loose! Coincidence?
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Posted by lastride
about time an aussie said something this riot has just been one build up every1 knew it was gonna happen sooner or later ok it has nothing 2 do with racism 2 some ppl it does but its more 2 the point that the lebs in around thinkin they can do what they want when they want stealing cars killing ppl coz they blinked wrong raping people just everything thing u could think of they do it 1 muslim said that it's girl's fault they get raped because of the they dress thats not right is it
Posted by joebmc
@axxxr
You'd blame a mouse fart on bush
Anyways i dont live in oz so have no real idea what there multicultural life is like but would imagine it to be similar to Britain’s. This incident seems no different to the one that happened up Birmingham way a few months ago (something about a young black girl getting allegedly raped buy a group of Muslim men).
Is this what happens every time people of different backgrounds are put together?
Can we not just live together in peace?
Posted by JT
@joebmc
Yeah I agree with you there.
I live about two miles away from the supposed rape. Let me tell you, no rape ever happened.
It was actually just an on going war between two businesses selling similar products. One was owned by Black people, one by Asian people. Basically one business thought they were losing customers to the other so they came up with the idea to accuse rape on the business in question.
Silly really
Posted by Davo_169
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im guilty!!
but you cant blame me with the area i live in....
you look at them and they say "what are you staring at c**t" and then you get your arse kicked....you dont look at them they think your too good for them and you get your arse kicked.
Posted by lastride
Yeah they feed off the goverment so much they won't something they get it it's crap i wish i could hide in the shadows just like them and get more then 600 bucks for doing nothing per fortnight
Posted by goldenface
@AXXXR I am surprised at you for that Bush comment! That was not the voice reason which I expected from you. The issue at hand is infinitely more complex than 'blame Bush'. Look deeper into the issue please, before making inflammatory statements. XXX
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Posted by joebmc
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That statement could be said about a lot of people in Britain too.
Posted by goldenface
Exactly! And yes People of different races can live together! As long there is TOLERANCE and understanding. We are all capable of it!
Posted by joebmc
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We maybe capable of it but afaik its never happened
Posted by goldenface
@joebmc. You are mistaken. I don't know where you live but New York is a prime example. Tolerance is a virtue! The city is not perfect by any stretch of the word but it is certainly a model of tolerance. We can all learn from that.
Posted by axxxr
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Why not,how is this an inflammatory comment?...Bush is more than responsible for generating anti-muslim feeling around the world,Matters have become 10X worse for muslims after 9/11 and the invasion of iraq...what happened in australia has been building for some time now and in some people's minds they want to lay the blame on muslims for anything that may go wrong...I presume your not a muslim?.but i suggest you go and ask this question from any muslim,how has their life has changed since 9/11 and the the Iraq war?...and 99% of them will tell you that it has changed for the worse because they are looked at differently and judged differently by normal members of the public...and 99% will also tell you that bush is largely responsible for generating this prejudice and Islamaphobia which is sweeping the world...Bush may not be entirely to blame for this issue but he is partially to blame for it.
Posted by goldenface
@AXXXR Rubbish! You seem to be under the impression that no one else but Mr Bush does wrong! Yes you are! Stop it! This 'very local' issue which can not be put down to conspiracies, deserves more thought. I am no fan of Bush myself but please think...
Posted by axxxr
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Well if you think its rubbish then thats your opinion but i think he is part of the problem..myself and many others would agree with this fact that because of the illegle invasion of iraq,and the terrorism which was created because of it,and as you very well know many hundreds of thousands have suffered the effects of terrorism mainly because they were muslims,non-muslims have thus in their a minds ,maybe sub-consiously islamphobia and a general hatred of muslims..Australians as you know have suffered aswell because of the bali bombings....i know it may be difficult to understand but its much more complicated than just dismissing the idea that bush was'nt responsible.
Posted by goldenface
Your views do still seem rather simplistic bordering on the realm of discussing Geopolitics even. You can't take all you have posted, and also have a debate about about racism in Oz?Its a complex issue and you have made your views known wouldn't you agree?
Posted by axxxr
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Simplistic...far from it,that why its difficult for people to understand where im coming from,racism does have a lot to do with this aswell but having said what i had to say american foreign policy is a major catalyst in the matter,it is a complex issue,but that is indeed my view on the matter.
Posted by goldenface
What? Get real! Your saying its American foreign policy that entitles you blame Mr Bush? What's the matter with you? Stop It! Start a new thread...
Posted by ADT0079
this has nothing to do with bush and i will leave it at that.
Posted by joebmc
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I'm not saying that differe people from different races cant get along, where I was brought up (Lewisham se London) I never saw much racism but I know it still happed.
What I mean is there will always be some idiot to judge a person on their colour and/or religion (or lack of it).
Out of the thousands of people in NY I’m sure there are a few racists still.
Posted by axxxr
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I am being real as cab be..Bush is american foreign policy (He's in charge)...why should stop from giving my opinion?..You have given yours i have given mine.
Posted by PeterKay
totally agree axxxr, 100% correct.
Posted by joebmc
100% right on which statment? The last of his posts? Or that its bush whos to blame for the riots?
It could just as easily be blamed on the Muslim radicals with there hate tread for non-Muslims which has been shown all over the press. Like bin laden, and the ugly bloke with the hook.
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Posted by axxxr
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Please quote me correctly,i never at any point said the bush is to blame for the whole thing...I have said all along the partial blame lies with him for creating anti-muslim feeling around the world.
So called muslim radicals only became more prominant and active after bush's over support of Israel and obviously the war..you can't suppress and kill a race of people and not expect anything back in return.