Posted by axxxr
Sixty years ago the US hired Nazi scientists to lead pioneering projects, such as the race to conquer space.These men provided the US with cutting-edge technology which still leads the way today,but at a cost.All of these men were cleared to work for the US,their alleged crimes covered up and their backgrounds bleached by a military which saw winning the Cold War, and not upholding justice,as its first priority.
BBC ARTICLE
The Stealth bomber: Based on a Nazi Design
Wernher von Braun: Nasa icon and former SS officer
Arthur Rudolph: "100% Nazi"
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Posted by axxxr
Does'nt it make you angry how america manages to get away with one lie after another,and the world sits and watches.
Posted by batesie
Yep, and unfortunatly its still happening today
Posted by Debu
Did you read about bush's plans to bomb a civillian TV station (I beileve it was Al-Jazeera, but correct me.) Just because they were telecasting footage of brutalities done by americans in Iraq? I believe it was Blair (again, correct me) who put bush in his senses by vitoing the idea.
Edit: Ok, my memory was a bit hazy about this when I posted the message, but here is the acctual article:
PRESIDENT Bush planned to bomb Arab TV station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a "Top Secret" No 10 memo reveals.
But he was talked out of it at a White House summit by Tony Blair, who said it would provoke a worldwide backlash.
A source said: "There's no doubt what Bush wanted, and no doubt Blair didn't want him to do it." Al-Jazeera is accused by the US of fuelling the Iraqi insurgency.
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Posted by axxxr
Bush bombing innocent civilians...does'nt really surprise me,america does this day in day out in Iraq & Afghanistan.
When muslims do this they become terrorists,murderers,killers you name it...yet when bush does it ok because bush says so and its america?
Posted by BobaFett
wernher von braun and his team did great job once, especially mr braun was an amzing man. their work began in peenemünde - north germany - with v1 and v2, v3 was almost ready, but the war was over. really hard to judge their work, cos on one side, thier ideas killed ppl in london and in many other places, but on the other side, according nasa statement, usa needed at least 20 years more to develope spaceships without the knowledeg of german scientists. fact is, that after the war, half of the team was taken by the americans, the other by the russians. to avoid uncomforteable opinions, the cia changed in the documents a certain sentence. "the german scientists arent convinced nazis anymore".
Posted by GreenKronic
if you dont like what america is doing then do something about it. always on here ranting will do nothing to help your cause. and does it really affect your day to day life this much to where you are always starting a topic on how bad bush and america are.i think everyone knows this and know you hate bush and america.
Posted by BobaFett
i dont think that axxxr hates the american nation ( i do share his opninion according the bush and co story ), thses posts are more a kind of contra bush posts. i have friends in america, i just dont like the way the bush-party try to control the world... this opinion has nothing to do with the american citizens, nation etc... and i am happy to see, that at least here i can read the other side of the story and not to hear the cnn etc crap.
Posted by axxxr
GreenKronic welcome to esato.
How do you know i hate bush?.... is this your first post or you just signed a new username up so to have a go at me?
See i think your just a regular member who's too afraid to reveal himself...what a shame!
I am doing something about by useing freedom of speech and spreading the word rather than turning a blind eye like most people do.
Posted by GreenKronic
mobile phone forum or a any news outlet. wonder which one is more suitable. i am just saying by always posting rants wont do anything to change it. all it does is become old. would it not be better to channel this anger into something positive.
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Posted by axxxr
I use every forum i use to get my message across....dont really care what you think.
Its always positive to speak about injustice in the world,no matter what the platform.
Now you gonna tell us who you really are or you still chicken?
Posted by GreenKronic
your a funny animale what are you asking me? am i another member uh no but i guess you know something i dont. i think your other ten post on bush or america told me enough. but keep going you sound hostile.
Posted by axxxr
Me hostile??...Thats what i expect from a patriotic republican american!
Not to worry i will continue with my protests against Bush and American Lies and Injustice..thats why we live in a free and democratic country,i thought you yanks were all for freedom of speech?..5th Amendment and and all that!
Posted by BobaFett
@green if u dont like it, dont read it. or when u comment, then at least post sg useful, instead of spreading things, that axxxr hates america... i am really interested in your opinion, but on a diplomatic and intelligent way.
Posted by GreenKronic
@Axxxr Your right what was i thinking.That is a great idea..If I want to get my message out what better place to do it then a mobile phone forum...Brilliant Mobile phone forum with most people being 12 to 30 year olds.....I could care less how much you post on either all i was stating is you seem to go on and on with these news stories but never here anything productive on what your doing to make things better...........Anyone can sit there and Bitch about how bad and wrong it is....I am just wondering what you are doing to change it for the better..........
@Bobo How could i come to the conclusion that i did not like it..If i cant read it??????????Quote:"if u dont like it, dont read it"End Quote....
Also I was stating my point as i have the freedom of speech.....Another Quote:" Does'nt it make you angry how america manages to get away with one lie after another,and the world sits and watches"End Quote....This does not suggest hate towards America????Or are we the only ones that Lie in this world?????
Not starting anything I just stated my point and some did not like it....
Posted by BobaFett
why, what should we do instead of watching it? its up to the american nation, to realise, that with the war-games of bush and co the world have enough of that way of politic. i dont think that its the responsibility of eu, asia etc to tell them, how and what to do. what i dont get, if the americans itself have enough of the lies, why dont u do and protest more? michael moore, that mother, whos son was kiled in iraq etc seems not to be enough, u would need more movement, to kick out the bush clan from washington.
Posted by axxxr
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Like i said dear fellow we will live in a free society and have every right to say to say what we think and feel.Even if it means that i use a "Mobile Free Section" of a Mobile Phone Forum to get my message across.I think the only people who can change the world is the 12 to 30 year olds who are the future generation so suits me just perfect...Can i ask how do you know im not doing anything??.This is just part of my protests,i am politicaly active in other areas aswell but why should i tell you about that?..I dont think i need to!
I dont really care much of your opinions to be quite frank but lets get one thing straight i dont hate America or the American people,Just the sytem that your government runs..I love a lot of things about America like Macdonalds,Pizza Hut,..mmm cant think of anything else?..Oh yeh and Disneyland..american culture in a nutshell "Disneyland!"
And actually yes you are the only country that lies in the world you proved it at the U.N in front of i suppose 3 Billion people,right before you invaded Iraq and murdered 100,000 of its people.
And you just proved that your a liar by not revealing who you realy are?....
Posted by BobaFett
i think he just attacks with a gun, but no bullets in it...
Posted by axxxr
Just came across more Fresh lies by the Bush Administration but some people just refuse to see it.
National Journal Article Dated: 22/November/ 2005
Ten days after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, President Bush was told in a highly classified briefing that the U.S. intelligence community had no evidence linking the Iraqi regime of Saddam Hussein to the attacks and that there was scant credible evidence that Iraq had any significant collaborative ties with Al Qaeda, according to government records and current and former officials with firsthand knowledge of the matter.
Posted by WelshTom
I must admit that the politics of America sickens me deeply. While i also recognise that most of the western world only persue agendas that serve to directly benefit themselves - America is more quilty than most. And the thing that really p*sses me right off is the way they try to lecture the world on how they are fighting for democracy and against the greater evill. Do they not realise that the entire world sees through their shallow lies?! the recent discovery of the use of chemical warefar in iraq i find inexcusable and deeply troubling. If their is any justice then Bush should stand trial for crimes against humanity right next to Sadam.
U.S. Used Chemical Weapons In Iraq
Veteran admits: Bodies melted away before us.
Shocking revelation RAI News 24.
White phosphorous used on the civilian populace: This is how the US "took" Fallujah. New napalm formula also used.
11/07/05 "La Repubblica" -- -- ROME. In soldier slang they call it Willy Pete. The technical name is white phosphorus. In theory its purpose is to illumine enemy positions in the dark. In practice, it was used as a chemical weapon in the rebel stronghold of Fallujah. And it was used not only against enemy combatants and guerrillas, but again innocent civilians. The Americans are responsible for a massacre using unconventional weapons, the identical charge for which Saddam Hussein stands accused. An investigation by RAI News 24, the all-news Italian satellite television channel, has pulled the veil from one of the most carefully concealed mysteries from the front in the entire US military campaign in Iraq.
A US veteran of the Iraq war told RAI New correspondent Sigfrido Ranucci this: I received the order use caution because we had used white phosphorus on Fallujah. In military slag it is called 'Willy Pete'. Phosphorus burns the human body on contact--it even melts it right down to the bone.
RAI News 24's investigative story, Fallujah, The Concealed Massacre, will be broadcast tomorrow on RAI-3 and will contain not only eye-witness accounts by US military personnel but those from Fallujah residents. A rain of fire descended on the city. People who were exposed to those multicolored substance began to burn. We found people with bizarre wounds-their bodies burned but their clothes intact, relates Mohamad Tareq al-Deraji, a biologist and Fallujah resident.
I gathered accounts of the use of phosphorus and napalm from a few Fallujah refugees whom I met before being kidnapped, says Manifesto reporter Giuliana Sgrena, who was kidnapped in Fallujah last February, in a recorded interview. I wanted to get the story out, but my kidnappers would not permit it.
RAI News 24 will broadcast video and photographs taken in the Iraqi city during and after the November 2004 bombardment which prove that the US military, contrary to statements in a December 9 communiqué from the US Department of State, did not use phosphorus to illuminate enemy positions (which would have been legitimate) but instend dropped white phosphorus indiscriminately and in massive quantities on the city's neighborhoods.
In the investigative story, produced by Maurizio Torrealta, dramatic footage is shown revealing the effects of the bombardment on civilians, women and children, some of whom were surprised in their sleep.
The investigation will also broadcast documentary proof of the use in Iraq of a new napalm formula called MK77. The use of the incendiary substance on civilians is forbidden by a 1980 UN treaty. The use of chemical weapons is forbidden by a treaty which the US signed in 1997
Posted by *Jojo*
@axxxr - Nice one, BUT eheeeeeeeeeeeem - US Elections 2004 'deal'
Posted by Bambino
Hmmm... bush=bushit they dun hav right to invade iraqi, coz wat? Revenge? Bushit! Bush just want the oil from iraqi!
Taiwan? It was china before isnt it? Why bush blocks the reunion? Coz democration? Aww come on bushit hkg & macau is ok! Bush just afraid of its economic power!